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    Re: 2012 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Two consecutive poor starts from Phil. Needs to improve before next time. Young Steinbrenner's point about not having an out pitch has been spoken about only a few million times over the past few years. Until he masters a change up, he's never going to consistently dominate. That said, still pleased overall with him this year.
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    Re: 2012 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    He's AJ Burnett. Fastball/curveball, if one of those isn't working, he's screwed.

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    Re: 2012 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Wait what? You gave up a 6 spot to that lineup? I try and defend you as much I can Philly boy, but there really is no excuse to crap the bed like that.

    That being said, he'll bounce back.
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    Re: 2012 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by MoVaughnEatsAlot View Post
    He's AJ Burnett. Fastball/curveball, if one of those isn't working, he's screwed.
    Burnett at 26 Hughes current age had a much better fastball and a much sharper curve, in fact Id say Burnett at his total worst had a better curve than Hughes. Also Burnett struggled with his wildness and Hughes struggles with throwing way to many hittable pitches.
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    I wish he was Burnett. AJ actually missed bats and had a plus-offspeed pitch, Hughes has nothing.

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    i can't remember the last time i saw his jawline
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    Re: 2012 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    I'd like to trade Hughes in the offseason

    I think he'd make a better career in NL

    what could we realistically get for him?
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    Re: 2012 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Young Steinbrenner View Post
    I'd like to trade Hughes in the offseason

    I think he'd make a better career in NL

    what could we realistically get for him?
    I agree that Hughes would be better off in one of those big NL west parks. However, with his salary probably increasing to around $5 million in 2013 and begin FA eligible in 2 years he's not going to bring much in return.
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    Re: 2012 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by young steinbrenner View Post
    i'd like to trade hughes in the offseason

    i think he'd make a better career in nl

    what could we realistically get for him?
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    Re: 2012 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by teknetic View Post
    I wish he was Burnett. AJ actually missed bats and had a plus-offspeed pitch, Hughes has nothing.
    Im pretty sure this statement is grounds for RO....
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    Re: 2012 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by TheInfallibleOne View Post
    Im pretty sure this statement is grounds for RO....
    Absolutely. Using the indicative rather than the subjunctive should not be permitted.
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    Re: 2012 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    You're a subjunctive.

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    Re: 2012 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Young Steinbrenner View Post
    I'd like to trade Hughes in the offseason

    I think he'd make a better career in NL

    what could we realistically get for him?
    The most optimistic outlook for Hughes, from another team, is that he's a league average pitcher (4 ERA) with questionable durability. Teams are so desperate for pitching that 1 year/5 million is a bargain for that, but it's not so great a bargain that a team would part with any valuable piece.

    Nova could bring back a real player, though. I think he has a pretty similar value to Trevor Cahill at the time he was traded and he netted Jarrod Parker and a couple other guys. Cahill had a clearly unsustainable, but sparkly 2.97 ERA season under his belt and the deal was largely thought to be a ripoff so it's too much to expect that Nova would bring the same return. I think that's the ballpark, though. I still think I'd rather just keep him.

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    Re: 2012 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    OMG he is awful.

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    Re: 2012 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by madjack View Post
    OMG he is awful.
    I can't honestly seeing the Yanks keeping him around for another year. He just isn't cutting it. He can't consistently pitch and as we can see tonight, he can't play his position either...

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    Re: 2012 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    I guess if you're gonna suck, you might as well not let the runs count against your ERA.

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    Re: 2012 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    I hope that when everyone comes back from DL they remove this guy from the rotation.

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    Re: 2012 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    He allowed 0 earned runs in 7 innings.
    He's the first AL pitcher to have at least 10 wins and at least 10 losses this season.

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    Re: 2012 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by EvanJ View Post
    He allowed 0 earned runs in 7 innings.
    He's the first AL pitcher to have at least 10 wins and at least 10 losses this season.
    He rebounded nicely but let's be honest, he has no one but himself to blame for those 4 runs in the 3rd.
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    Re: 2012 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by EvanJ View Post
    He allowed 0 earned runs in 7 innings.
    He's the first AL pitcher to have at least 10 wins and at least 10 losses this season.
    It's a good way to keep his earned runs at 0 by making error by himself.

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    Re: 2012 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by MD_Yankee_Fan View Post
    I can't honestly seeing the Yanks keeping him around for another year. He just isn't cutting it. He can't consistently pitch and as we can see tonight, he can't play his position either...
    From May 1st through August 1st Hughes pitched to a 3.40 ERA in 111.1 innings (17 GS, 6.5 IP/GS) with 92 K's and a 1.17 WHIP. Thats 3 months of some pretty consistently good pitching. He had 2 rough outings after that, but did a decent job of righting the ship tonight, with one really bad inning that he precipitated mixed into 6 otherwise solid ones.

    Let's see how he finishes the year before writing him off for next season. Keep in mind this will only be his second full season as a starter, which says only shtty things about dude's durability, but does allow for a little room to hope he can string together more months like the 3 I cited above as his career progresses if he can stay on the damn field.

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    Re: 2012 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    I thought it was going to be a long night after he gave up those four unearned runs in the third inning but at least he kept his composure & managed to pitch for four more innings without allowing another run.

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    Re: 2012 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by YESSIR! View Post
    From May 1st through August 1st Hughes pitched to a 3.40 ERA in 111.1 innings (17 GS, 6.5 IP/GS) with 92 K's and a 1.17 WHIP. Thats 3 months of some pretty consistently good pitching. He had 2 rough outings after that, but did a decent job of righting the ship tonight, with one really bad inning that he precipitated mixed into 6 otherwise solid ones.

    Let's see how he finishes the year before writing him off for next season. Keep in mind this will only be his second full season as a starter, which says only shtty things about dude's durability, but does allow for a little room to hope he can string together more months like the 3 I cited above as his career progresses if he can stay on the damn field.
    I really don't have any question that they'll bring him back next year, in some capacity. The only way he doesn't return is if someone wants to give up something significant for his final year of team control, which I find unlikely.
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    Re: 2012 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Fan in Boston View Post
    I really don't have any question that they'll bring him back next year, in some capacity. The only way he doesn't return is if someone wants to give up something significant for his final year of team control, which I find unlikely.
    The Yankees would be fools not to shop him, but yea you're probably right they won't get enough to deal him. That said with the 2014 payroll limit looming 2013 will in all likelihood be his last year in pinstripes.

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