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    Re: 2012 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by d32123 View Post
    I feel as if it's more than just a fad (it's as much of a fad as any other TV show), but yes, I think the answer should be obvious.

    4chan or reddit?
    40 pitchers, ever, have an ERA+ of 130 or higher for their career. 15 have 140 or higher. 3 guys have 150 or higher - one is right at 150, the second place guy is at 154, and Mariano Rivera is at 205.

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    Re: 2012 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

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    4chan or reddit?
    Neither.

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    Re: 2012 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

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    Neither.
    Dear lord please don't say 9gag?
    40 pitchers, ever, have an ERA+ of 130 or higher for their career. 15 have 140 or higher. 3 guys have 150 or higher - one is right at 150, the second place guy is at 154, and Mariano Rivera is at 205.

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    Re: 2012 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Muhozi View Post
    Dear lord please don't say 9gag?
    Nope.

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    Re: 2012 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by d32123 View Post
    Nope.
    Phew. Well wherever you got it from two videos about it made me laugh so much:

    NSFW



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    40 pitchers, ever, have an ERA+ of 130 or higher for their career. 15 have 140 or higher. 3 guys have 150 or higher - one is right at 150, the second place guy is at 154, and Mariano Rivera is at 205.

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    Re: 2012 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    I'm not really sure what my avatar has to do with Phil Hughes, but okay, lol. I'll check out those videos later.

    As for Hughes, I think this season will really be what defines his future as a Yankee. As of now, he's probably expendable and will be shopped during the offseason.

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    Re: 2012 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Yeah, this thread got derailed pretty quickly.

    Back to our regularly scheduled programme-
    40 pitchers, ever, have an ERA+ of 130 or higher for their career. 15 have 140 or higher. 3 guys have 150 or higher - one is right at 150, the second place guy is at 154, and Mariano Rivera is at 205.

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    Re: 2012 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by d32123 View Post
    Or maybe it's that other methods of evaluation are just overvaluing relievers.
    Like holds. Good point. Nonetheless, Hughes' greatest success was a a 1 inning pitcher.
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    Re: 2012 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by False1 View Post
    I'm not comparing them as pitchers. Just showing how soft your argument is. It's basically just a string of unfounded statements like "it wouldn't have ended well in New York" because he's a "meh pitcher". Sorry, even with only 2 yearss of absolute evidence, calling a guy with 150 era+ ability "meh" is ridiculous.

    The comparison that WAS made - to AJ Burnett - is just dumb.
    I don't think it's dumb. I never think of any signing as just a one thing. I always whine of the whole contract and I'm fed up of us signing guys we regret a year or so later and we'd regret CJ.
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    Re: 2012 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by NoodleRay View Post
    Nothing has been working for him, his FB was sitting right in the middle of the zone an I think that even more then being flat his location was just way off, and his off speed stuff wasn't working at all. Hopefully his velocity will keep climbing, and just maybe he'll control his pitches, in an out an up and down not down the middle, because that's how a good major league pitcher would pitch (control).

    Also it is troublesome that when he is ahead in the count that it's either fouled off a dozen times, or it's hit really hard. He's a likable kid with a pretty good arm, but our patience with him is turning into years.. I'm just hoping that his next outing is something to build off.
    I looked at his charts for the game. He had seven pitches middle-middle; six fastballs, one changeup.

    Of those seven pitches, four were fouled off, two were swinging strikes, and one was put in play for a hit (the Iannetta cheapie). There's plenty you can blame his poor start on, but I'm not sure it was throwing his fastball for meatballs.

    The Kendrick homer was low and inside; the Pujols was on the outer third and up at the eyes.

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    Yeah, this is a tough crowd. 2 starts and the majority is asking for his head.

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    His velocity is up from last year and he is throwing his change significantly more.

    We are in first place, we can afford to give him more starts.
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    Re: 2012 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

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    Yeah, this is a tough crowd. 2 starts and the majority is asking for his head.

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    His velocity is up from last year and he is throwing his change significantly more.

    We are in first place, we can afford to give him more starts.
    Hughes will be fine. People need to chill.
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    Re: 2012 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Gigi Buffon View Post
    Hughes will be fine. People need to chill.
    He could well be, and as a Hughes fan and defender, I truly hope you are bright. Nevertheless, he is now running out of starts to keep himself in the rotation given the options we have.
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    Re: 2012 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    I don't know if Hughes will turn it around, but right now the choice as to which two pitchers will leave the rotation when Pettitte and Pineda return is a very easy one.
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    Re: 2012 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    I miss the curve.

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    Re: 2012 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by kan_t View Post
    At this point Hughes is not competing with Garcia. He's competing with Pettitte and Pineda.
    Pettitte yes, Pineda not yet.

    But when Pettitte is deemed ready it will be Hughes or Garcia that gets bumped.

    Pindea will take a few weeks to build up arm strength.
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    Re: 2012 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by ajra21 View Post
    He could well be, and as a Hughes fan and defender, I truly hope you are bright. Nevertheless, he is now running out of starts to keep himself in the rotation given the options we have.
    I believe that the poster, Gigi Buffon's IQ hovers in the 125-130 area. Now, if his name were Gigi Buffoon, we'd have our answer right there.

    (yea, I knew you meant "right".... ... iPhone?)


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    Re: 2012 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Muhozi View Post
    Phew. Well wherever you got it from two videos about it made me laugh so much:



    That's hilarious. Though you might want to add a big NSFW.


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    Re: 2012 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by ArodEra View Post
    That's hilarious. Though you might want to add a big NSFW.
    Completely forgot about that. Cheers.

    Back to Hughes. His curve has changed so much from this one

    Edit- I attached the wrong link

    http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?co...43420&c_id=mlb
    40 pitchers, ever, have an ERA+ of 130 or higher for their career. 15 have 140 or higher. 3 guys have 150 or higher - one is right at 150, the second place guy is at 154, and Mariano Rivera is at 205.

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    Re: 2012 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Gigi Buffon View Post
    Hughes will be fine. People need to chill.
    Seems like we've been saying that for years.
    What we can appreciate now is that the Yankees from 1996-2003 were even more extraordinary than we thought.

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    Re: 2012 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Gigi Buffon View Post
    Hughes will be fine. People need to chill.
    He'll be fine once he moves to the pen.

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    Re: 2012 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Gigi Buffon View Post
    Hughes will be fine. People need to chill.
    When Pettitte comes back, do you think he's one of the team's five best starters?

    How about when Pineda comes back as well?
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    Re: 2012 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by ArodEra View Post
    I believe that the poster, Gigi Buffon's IQ hovers in the 125-130 area. Now, if his name were Gigi Buffoon, we'd have our answer right there.

    (yea, I knew you meant "right".... ... iPhone?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by sweet_lou_14 View Post
    When Pettitte comes back, do you think he's one of the team's five best starters?

    How about when Pineda comes back as well?
    There will be some who don't think he's one of the best five starters now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArodEra View Post
    That's hilarious. Though you might want to add a big NSFW.
    or delete it altogether, since people have been RO'd for less

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    Re: 2012 Phil Hughes Performance Thread

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    or delete it altogether, since people have been RO'd for less
    Banned for posting Hip Hop?
    40 pitchers, ever, have an ERA+ of 130 or higher for their career. 15 have 140 or higher. 3 guys have 150 or higher - one is right at 150, the second place guy is at 154, and Mariano Rivera is at 205.

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