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    Re: 2012 Derek Jeter Performance Thread

    Jeter is much more impressive now than he was in his prime in my opinion. Just his continued longevity and consistency at his age is what makes him truly one of the greatest ball players of all time.

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    Re: 2012 Derek Jeter Performance Thread

    Yogi Berra = Rodney Dangerfield

    Truthfully, it doesn't really matter how we rank them. Suffice to say that we fans are lucky to be able to say that we've been able to watch two of the absolute Yankees' greats and greats of the game of baseball play in Jeter and Rivera. And when you think about it, technology has allowed us to see them each and every game, which just wasn't possible when it came to the monument level Yankees of the past. It's a golden era with these two.

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    Re: 2012 Derek Jeter Performance Thread

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/24/sp...it_th_20120424
    ARLINGTON, Tex. — Age is not an issue that Derek Jeter likes to entertain. A year ago, when he was 36, he bristled at suggestions that his extended batting slump was the result of his advancing years.

    He was not hitting because of a flaw in his hitting mechanics, he said, not the numbers on his birth certificate.
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    Asked why he finds discussion of his age so distasteful, Jeter said he did not find it useful. In other words, how would it help him as a player to acknowledge that age eventually sends every hitter into retirement?

    “We’re all getting older,” he said. “That’s pointing out the obvious. Everyone is getting older, but just because you’ve gotten older doesn’t mean you can’t do things.”
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    As Jeter walked out of the clubhouse, he was asked about his former teammate Hideki Matsui, who is on the verge of signing with Tampa Bay.

    Jeter said he was happy for him, then noted that Matsui was older than he is — by two weeks.

    “Toshiyori,” Jeter said, using the Japanese word for old man.
    I guess he cleared that up.
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    Party like its 1999!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldee5 View Post
    Yogi Berra = Rodney Dangerfield
    I know, I know. It seems unfair to leave him out.

    Basically the Yankees have had the greatest player of all time, the greatest 1B of all time, two of the three greatest CF of all time, the greatest C of all time, the greatest closer of all time, and arguably the greatest SS since Honus Wagner.

    All that and Luis Sojo, too.
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    Re: 2012 Derek Jeter Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by rajah View Post
    I pretty much agree with Lou's Mount Rushmore. I tend to stress peak value over longevity more than most, so I rate both Joe and Mickey higher on the all-team all-time list than would many. If Jeter had a bit more power, he would be there.
    Jeter might not be the biggest power threat, but baseball-reference.com lists 14,141 players with at least one PA since 1901.

    Of that, Jeter ranks 212th in career HR. That puts him ahead of 98.5% of all hitters since 1901. And that's only going to get better if he plays for 3 more years. Or 6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweet_lou_14 View Post
    I know, I know. It seems unfair to leave him out.

    Basically the Yankees have had the greatest player of all time, the greatest 1B of all time, two of the three greatest CF of all time, the greatest C of all time, the greatest closer of all time, and arguably the greatest SS since Honus Wagner.

    All that and Luis Sojo, too.
    I agree with your overall point. Just want you to give some credits to Mays/Cobb/Speaker and Bench.

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    Re: 2012 Derek Jeter Performance Thread

    Only 10 players in MLB history have at least 244 HR and at least 3100 Hits

    Derek Jeter is one of those 10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big_E View Post
    Only 10 players in MLB history have at least 244 HR and at least 3100 Hits

    Derek Jeter is one of those 10.
    It would have been a strange stat to throw in this thread if he wasn't.
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    Willie Mays has 660 HR. Derek Jeter does not.

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    Re: 2012 Derek Jeter Performance Thread

    Most hits in a season, age 38 or older:

    Rk Player H
    1 Paul Molitor 225
    2 Pete Rose 208
    3 Sam Rice 207
    4 Jake Daubert 205
    5 Sam Rice 202
    6 Sam Rice 199
    7 Pete Rose 185
    8 Honus Wagner 181
    9 Luke Appling 180
    10 Craig Biggio 178
    11 Dave Parker 176
    12 Lave Cross 176
    13 Ty Cobb 175
    14 Pete Rose 172
    15 Omar Vizquel 171
    16 Tris Speaker 171
    17 Steve Finley 170
    18 Bob Johnson 170


    with his hot start it will be interesting to see if Jeter can crack this list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kan_t View Post
    I agree with your overall point. Just want you to give some credits to Mays/Cobb/Speaker and Bench.
    I believe the C discussion is between Yogi and Bench and I'm willing to go out on a limb and take Yogi.

    I said two of the greatest three CF out of respect for Willie Mays. Plenty of room for debate among those three. I don't believe Cobb was a CF (could be wrong) ... as for Speaker, I don't know how to compare against a player from that long ago. I'm not sure that pre-1920 baseball was really quite the same game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoVaughnEatsAlot View Post
    Willie Mays has 660 HR. Derek Jeter does not.
    Call me when Willie Mays gets an Edge in blazing copper.

    But seriously, I think we can all continue to appreciate the greatness of Derek Jeter without having to apologize that there are players in the history of the game who were even greater.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sweet_lou_14 View Post
    Call me when Willie Mays gets an Edge in blazing copper.

    But seriously, I think we can all continue to appreciate the greatness of Derek Jeter without having to apologize that there are players in the history of the game who were even greater.
    I just hope he keeps it going, and does'nt have an injury. Fantastic start to the season.
    What we can appreciate now is that the Yankees from 1996-2003 were even more extraordinary than we thought.

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    That bunt was a thing of beauty. I am 38 he may be the best baseball player I ever saw.

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    Re: 2012 Derek Jeter Performance Thread

    Last night, the Captain passed Lou Gehrig to go into second place on the Yankee list for Times On Base. Only Babe Ruth ahead of him.

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    I think you could roll it up there right now and DJ would shoot the gap either way. I am envious of those of you who can watch him every game.
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    Re: 2012 Derek Jeter Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by BRNXBMRS View Post
    That bunt was a thing of beauty. I am 38 he may be the best baseball player I ever saw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BRNXBMRS View Post
    That bunt was a thing of beauty. I am 38 he may be the best baseball player I ever saw.
    Have you just started watching baseball this season? I mean he's great but he probably isn't even in the top 20 of the greatest I've seen since I started watching in the late 80s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoVaughnEatsAlot View Post
    Have you just started watching baseball this season? I mean he's great but he probably isn't even in the top 20 of the greatest I've seen since I started watching in the late 80s.
    Derek Jeter is not in the top 20 of the greatest players you've watched in the past 25 years? You can't be serious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YankeeFan1421 View Post
    Derek Jeter is not in the top 20 of the greatest players you've watched in the past 25 years? You can't be serious.
    Maybe right in the top 20, but right off the top of my head I can think of a few better imo. If I really searched I might could find a few more, but I'll say he's maybe top 15:

    Pedro Martinez
    Randy Johnson
    Alex Rodriguez
    Barry Bonds
    Ken Griffey Jr.
    Gregg Maddux
    Roger Clemens
    Frank Thomas
    Albert Pujols
    Chipper Jones
    Mariano Rivera
    Tony Gwynn
    Rickey Henderson
    Jeff Bagwell
    Wade Boggs

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoVaughnEatsAlot View Post
    Maybe right in the top 20, but right off the top of my head I can think of a few better imo. If I really searched I might could find a few more, but I'll say he's maybe top 15:

    Pedro Martinez
    Randy Johnson
    Alex Rodriguez
    Barry Bonds
    Ken Griffey Jr.
    Gregg Maddux
    Roger Clemens
    Frank Thomas
    Albert Pujols
    Chipper Jones
    Mariano Rivera
    Tony Gwynn
    Rickey Henderson
    Jeff Bagwell
    Wade Boggs
    I think Jeter is a better ballplayer than Boggs or Bagwell.

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    I would take the 1982-89 version of Boggs over Jeter. Boggs had a four year stretch between 85-88 where he was just insane. Hit over .360 three of those four years (the other was .357) and his OBP was anywhere between .450-.476. Thats pretty awesome. I would take Bagwell too.

    None of this demeans Jeter...he's great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoVaughnEatsAlot View Post
    Maybe right in the top 20, but right off the top of my head I can think of a few better imo. If I really searched I might could find a few more, but I'll say he's maybe top 15:

    Pedro Martinez
    Randy Johnson
    Alex Rodriguez
    Barry Bonds
    Ken Griffey Jr.
    Gregg Maddux
    Roger Clemens
    Frank Thomas
    Albert Pujols
    Chipper Jones
    Mariano Rivera
    Tony Gwynn
    Rickey Henderson
    Jeff Bagwell
    Wade Boggs
    Okay, personally I think it's impossible to really compare pitchers to position players, first off, and five of your players are pitchers.

    Jeter is a better player than Boggs, Bagwell, Gwynn, Thomas and Jones. He's had a better career than Griffey (due to injuries), and I'd take him any day over Rickey Henderson (as insanely talented as Henderson was).

    The only ones I can agree with are A-Rod (much as I'm not a fan), Bonds and Pujols.

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