2012 Derek Jeter Performance Thread

[NY Dude]

Jeter is much more impressive now than he was in his prime in my opinion. Just his continued longevity and consistency at his age is what makes him truly one of the greatest ball players of all time.

[Eldee5]

Yogi Berra = Rodney Dangerfield

Truthfully, it doesn't really matter how we rank them. Suffice to say that we fans are lucky to be able to say that we've been able to watch two of the absolute Yankees' greats and greats of the game of baseball play in Jeter and Rivera. And when you think about it, technology has allowed us to see them each and every game, which just wasn't possible when it came to the monument level Yankees of the past. It's a golden era with these two.

[35Knucklecurve]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/24/sp...it_th_20120424

ARLINGTON, Tex. — Age is not an issue that Derek Jeter likes to entertain. A year ago, when he was 36, he bristled at suggestions that his extended batting slump was the result of his advancing years.

He was not hitting because of a flaw in his hitting mechanics, he said, not the numbers on his birth certificate.
[snip]
Asked why he finds discussion of his age so distasteful, Jeter said he did not find it useful. In other words, how would it help him as a player to acknowledge that age eventually sends every hitter into retirement?

“We’re all getting older,” he said. “That’s pointing out the obvious. Everyone is getting older, but just because you’ve gotten older doesn’t mean you can’t do things.”
[snip]
As Jeter walked out of the clubhouse, he was asked about his former teammate Hideki Matsui, who is on the verge of signing with Tampa Bay.

Jeter said he was happy for him, then noted that Matsui was older than he is — by two weeks.

“Toshiyori,” Jeter said, using the Japanese word for old man.

I guess he cleared that up.

[BRNXBMRS]

Party like its 1999!

[sweet_lou_14]

Yogi Berra = Rodney Dangerfield

I know, I know. It seems unfair to leave him out.

Basically the Yankees have had the greatest player of all time, the greatest 1B of all time, two of the three greatest CF of all time, the greatest C of all time, the greatest closer of all time, and arguably the greatest SS since Honus Wagner.

All that and Luis Sojo, too.

[Big_E]

I pretty much agree with Lou's Mount Rushmore. I tend to stress peak value over longevity more than most, so I rate both Joe and Mickey higher on the all-team all-time list than would many. If Jeter had a bit more power, he would be there.

Jeter might not be the biggest power threat, but baseball-reference.com lists 14,141 players with at least one PA since 1901.

Of that, Jeter ranks 212th in career HR. That puts him ahead of 98.5% of all hitters since 1901. And that's only going to get better if he plays for 3 more years. Or 6.

[kan_t]

I know, I know. It seems unfair to leave him out.

Basically the Yankees have had the greatest player of all time, the greatest 1B of all time, two of the three greatest CF of all time, the greatest C of all time, the greatest closer of all time, and arguably the greatest SS since Honus Wagner.

All that and Luis Sojo, too.

I agree with your overall point. Just want you to give some credits to Mays/Cobb/Speaker and Bench.

[Big_E]

Only 10 players in MLB history have at least 244 HR and at least 3100 Hits

Derek Jeter is one of those 10.

[Mr Coffee]

Only 10 players in MLB history have at least 244 HR and at least 3100 Hits

Derek Jeter is one of those 10.

It would have been a strange stat to throw in this thread if he wasn't.

[MoVaughnEatsAlot]

Willie Mays has 660 HR. Derek Jeter does not.

[Big_E]

Most hits in a season, age 38 or older:

Rk	Player	H
1	Paul Molitor	225
2	Pete Rose	208
3	Sam Rice	207
4	Jake Daubert	205
5	Sam Rice	202
6	Sam Rice	199
7	Pete Rose	185
8	Honus Wagner	181
9	Luke Appling	180
10	Craig Biggio	178
11	Dave Parker	176
12	Lave Cross	176
13	Ty Cobb	175
14	Pete Rose	172
15	Omar Vizquel	171
16	Tris Speaker	171
17	Steve Finley	170
18	Bob Johnson	170

with his hot start it will be interesting to see if Jeter can crack this list.

[sweet_lou_14]

I agree with your overall point. Just want you to give some credits to Mays/Cobb/Speaker and Bench.

I believe the C discussion is between Yogi and Bench and I'm willing to go out on a limb and take Yogi.

I said two of the greatest three CF out of respect for Willie Mays. Plenty of room for debate among those three. I don't believe Cobb was a CF (could be wrong) ... as for Speaker, I don't know how to compare against a player from that long ago. I'm not sure that pre-1920 baseball was really quite the same game.

[sweet_lou_14]

Willie Mays has 660 HR. Derek Jeter does not.

Call me when Willie Mays gets an Edge in blazing copper.

But seriously, I think we can all continue to appreciate the greatness of Derek Jeter without having to apologize that there are players in the history of the game who were even greater.

[jnewmark]

Call me when Willie Mays gets an Edge in blazing copper.

But seriously, I think we can all continue to appreciate the greatness of Derek Jeter without having to apologize that there are players in the history of the game who were even greater.

I just hope he keeps it going, and does'nt have an injury. Fantastic start to the season.

[BRNXBMRS]

That bunt was a thing of beauty. I am 38 he may be the best baseball player I ever saw.

[Maynerd]

Last night, the Captain passed Lou Gehrig to go into second place on the Yankee list for Times On Base. Only Babe Ruth ahead of him.

[35Knucklecurve]

I think you could roll it up there right now and DJ would shoot the gap either way. I am envious of those of you who can watch him every game.

[White Knight]

That bunt was a thing of beauty. I am 38 he may be the best baseball player I ever saw.

Bonds?

[MoVaughnEatsAlot]

That bunt was a thing of beauty. I am 38 he may be the best baseball player I ever saw.

Have you just started watching baseball this season? I mean he's great but he probably isn't even in the top 20 of the greatest I've seen since I started watching in the late 80s.

[YankeeFan1421]

Have you just started watching baseball this season? I mean he's great but he probably isn't even in the top 20 of the greatest I've seen since I started watching in the late 80s.

Derek Jeter is not in the top 20 of the greatest players you've watched in the past 25 years? You can't be serious.

[MoVaughnEatsAlot]

Derek Jeter is not in the top 20 of the greatest players you've watched in the past 25 years? You can't be serious.

Maybe right in the top 20, but right off the top of my head I can think of a few better imo. If I really searched I might could find a few more, but I'll say he's maybe top 15:

Pedro Martinez
Randy Johnson
Alex Rodriguez
Barry Bonds
Ken Griffey Jr.
Gregg Maddux
Roger Clemens
Frank Thomas
Albert Pujols
Chipper Jones
Mariano Rivera
Tony Gwynn
Rickey Henderson
Jeff Bagwell
Wade Boggs

[Yankees1962]

Maybe right in the top 20, but right off the top of my head I can think of a few better imo. If I really searched I might could find a few more, but I'll say he's maybe top 15:

Pedro Martinez
Randy Johnson
Alex Rodriguez
Barry Bonds
Ken Griffey Jr.
Gregg Maddux
Roger Clemens
Frank Thomas
Albert Pujols
Chipper Jones
Mariano Rivera
Tony Gwynn
Rickey Henderson
Jeff Bagwell
Wade Boggs

I think Jeter is a better ballplayer than Boggs or Bagwell.

[Eldee5]

[dabomb2045]

I would take the 1982-89 version of Boggs over Jeter. Boggs had a four year stretch between 85-88 where he was just insane. Hit over .360 three of those four years (the other was .357) and his OBP was anywhere between .450-.476. Thats pretty awesome. I would take Bagwell too.

None of this demeans Jeter...he's great.

[YankeeFan1421]

Maybe right in the top 20, but right off the top of my head I can think of a few better imo. If I really searched I might could find a few more, but I'll say he's maybe top 15:

Pedro Martinez
Randy Johnson
Alex Rodriguez
Barry Bonds
Ken Griffey Jr.
Gregg Maddux
Roger Clemens
Frank Thomas
Albert Pujols
Chipper Jones
Mariano Rivera
Tony Gwynn
Rickey Henderson
Jeff Bagwell
Wade Boggs

Okay, personally I think it's impossible to really compare pitchers to position players, first off, and five of your players are pitchers.

Jeter is a better player than Boggs, Bagwell, Gwynn, Thomas and Jones. He's had a better career than Griffey (due to injuries), and I'd take him any day over Rickey Henderson (as insanely talented as Henderson was).

The only ones I can agree with are A-Rod (much as I'm not a fan), Bonds and Pujols.