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    Re: 2012 Derek Jeter Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    Slick fielding is relevant because that was what was considered important for a shortstop back then. That's how shortstops became starters.
    It's not relevant to me as I'm talking strictly offensively-wise. I'm not going to argue with you beyond that.
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    Re: 2012 Derek Jeter Performance Thread

    Jeter is having his worst defensive season ever according to FG.

    Frankly, it's consistent with what even the most hardcore fans can see.

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    It's not relevant to me as I'm talking strictly offensively-wise. I'm not going to argue with you beyond that.
    Fine, if it's not relevant to you, I guess that's that. I'm just suggesting that if you're going to compare different eras, context matters. Jeter's offense would have been worthy of an All-Star shortstop back in the day, but his defense would have meant that he wouldn't have been a shortstop in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    Fine, if it's not relevant to you, I guess that's that. I'm just suggesting that if you're going to compare different eras, context matters.
    I just made a little comment about OPS+ and the SS position back in the day, didn't think I have to get into a full blown discussion about it. I should of known better to keep my mouth shut.
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    Re: 2012 Derek Jeter Performance Thread

    It seems likely that back in the day there was some version of Nichols' law of catcher defense that applied to shortstops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K-W View Post
    It seems likely that back in the day there was some version of Nichols' law of catcher defense that applied to shortstops.
    World Championship teams used to play guys like Dal Maxvill and Ray Oyler at shortstop.

    Edit: to be fair, even the 1968 Tigers couldn't bear playing Ray Oyler in the World Series. They famously moved Mickey Stanley in from center field to win the championship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankees1962 View Post
    I just made a little comment about OPS+ and the SS position back in the day,
    How far back are we talking about?

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    Re: 2012 Derek Jeter Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by grizy View Post
    Jeter is having his worst defensive season ever according to FG.

    Frankly, it's consistent with what even the most hardcore fans can see.
    Apparently, you missed that amazing play Friday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Knight View Post
    Apparently, you missed that amazing play Friday.
    Are you really citing one play during one game to try & refute that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankees1962 View Post
    Slick fielding has nothing to do with it, any SS back in the day with a 101 OPS+ would be an all-star caliber SS.
    Quote Originally Posted by JL25and3 View Post
    Slick fielding is relevant because that was what was considered important for a shortstop back then. That's how shortstops became starters.
    Quote Originally Posted by Yankees1962 View Post
    It's not relevant to me as I'm talking strictly offensively-wise. I'm not going to argue with you beyond that.
    This is the funniest exchange, ever.


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    Re: 2012 Derek Jeter Performance Thread

    He's no Pedro Ciriaco.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jax Teller View Post
    Are you really citing one play during one game to try & refute that?
    No, but just stating he can be great at times too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldee5 View Post
    He's no Pedro Ciriaco.
    Not fair. Ciriaco is a man among boys.

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    he's possessed by the spirit of Nunez this series.

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    he's possessed by the spirit of Nunez this series.
    Perhaps, but he hit great this series.
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    Re: 2012 Derek Jeter Performance Thread

    "I wish I had a good story for you to say a bird hit it or something, but it basically was a popup and I dropped it,” Jeter said. “Nothing else to say. I think I’ve done it one other time in my career that I can remember, in Anaheim. I don’t know, man. I dropped it. I had two hands, and it didn’t go in my glove or my hand, so I dropped it. It’s probably, if you think about it, it’s probably the most embarrassing thing that can happen to a player on defense. Whether it’s an infielder, outfielder, catcher. I wish I could tell you the wind was gusting and blew it all over the place, but it didn’t happen. I just dropped it.”

    • Jeter said absolutely no one on the bench gave him a hard time about the error. “No, you don’t do that,” Jeter explained. “Because then there will be more popups hit. I remember the last time I did it, I was laughing at Johnny. Johnny Damon missed a popup to left field the day before and I was laughing at him, and the next day I dropped a popup.”

    • Girardi’s take on the dropped popup: “I’ve seen it happen twice and both of them were under my managerial watch, so it must be me. He’s as good on popups as I’ve ever seen.”
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    at at Damon and then dropping one.
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    last night was painful to watch on defense, starting with the bad tag on the steal before the pop up. It's amazing there's only 1 error in the box score because he had a really bad defensive night...

    I saw one blog guy from Boston had a funny line after the pop up: "So now Jeter can't go to his left on pop ups either?" I did think that was funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by b-ball-lunachick View Post
    last night was painful to watch on defense, starting with the bad tag on the steal before the pop up. It's amazing there's only 1 error in the box score because he had a really bad defensive night...

    I saw one blog guy from Boston had a funny line after the pop up: "So now Jeter can't go to his left on pop ups either?" I did think that was funny.
    You think it was painful to you, how about darn right embarassing for Jeter himself.
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    Re: 2012 Derek Jeter Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by -tz View Post

    I wish I had a good story for you to say a bird hit it or something, but it basically was a popup and I dropped it,”...
    “Nothing else to say.
    I think I’ve done it one other time in my career that I can remember, in Anaheim.
    I don’t know, man. I dropped it.
    I had two hands, and it didn’t go in my glove or my hand, so I dropped it.

    It’s probably, if you think about it, it’s probably the most embarrassing thing that can happen to a player on defense.
    Whether it’s an infielder, outfielder, catcher.

    I wish I could tell you the wind was gusting and blew it all over the place, but it didn’t happen. I just dropped it.”
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  21. #546

    Re: 2012 Derek Jeter Performance Thread

    I couldnt remember when Jeter had that bad of a series fielding wise.

  22. #547

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    I suspect the intensity of play over the weekend for a guy in his late 30s had something to do with the fielding. Jeter just might have been a little more tired than usual.

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    Re: 2012 Derek Jeter Performance Thread

    I noticed he's been coughing a lot lately, during at bats and in the field. Maybe he's under the weather.

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    Quote Originally Posted by False1 View Post
    I noticed he's been coughing a lot lately, during at bats and in the field. Maybe he's under the weather.
    He's been coughing like that after since he got sick a few years ago.
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  25. #550

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRNXBMRS View Post
    I couldnt remember when Jeter had that bad of a series fielding wise.
    Players go through fielding slumps just like they do batting slumps and I'm talking about routine plays they usually make versus Jeter's lack of range issue. He'll get some rest over the next four days and should be fine on Friday at the Stadium. I don't expect to see him play more than 3 innings tomorrow.
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