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    Re: 2012 CC Sabathia performance thread

    Quote Originally Posted by NYCrusader View Post
    It has been both doesn't have to be one or the other.

    You can be missing spots and have subpar stuff at the same time.
    I wasn't saying you were wrong.

    I was actual responding to your previous post of "Has bad stuff" prior to your quick edit.

    I was just adding to what you were saying.
    You know they are not real pies, right?

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  2. #77

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    Quote Originally Posted by teknetic View Post
    Anyone have velocity readings for this time last year?
    Don't worry.

    EDIT: Here you go http://www.fangraphs.com/pitchfxo.as...ion=P&pitch=FA
    You know they are not real pies, right?

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    Re: 2012 CC Sabathia performance thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoux101 View Post
    I wasn't saying you were wrong.

    I was actual responding to your previous post of "Has bad stuff" prior to your quick edit.

    I was just adding to what you were saying.
    Simple misunderstanding but I think you can understand that your response lended itself to my response.

    A simple "also" would of done the trick.

  4. #79

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCrusader View Post
    Simple misunderstanding but I think you can understand that your response lended itself to my response.

    A simple "also" would of done the trick.
    I do understand. I was just having a convo with you, though. We don't have to assign blame, lol.

    Smile, I'm not out to get ya.
    You know they are not real pies, right?

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    Re: 2012 CC Sabathia performance thread

    I'm not here to assign blame either I took you for what you said.

    It's cool man it's not a big deal at all.

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    Re: 2012 CC Sabathia performance thread

    AWWWWW, group hug guys.
    40 pitchers, ever, have an ERA+ of 130 or higher for their career. 15 have 140 or higher. 3 guys have 150 or higher - one is right at 150, the second place guy is at 154, and Mariano Rivera is at 205.

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    Re: 2012 CC Sabathia performance thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Muhozi View Post
    AWWWWW, group hug guys.
    As long as your the meat.
    You know they are not real pies, right?

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    Re: 2012 CC Sabathia performance thread

    Not bad in the end. He took us deep and we won the game. Hoping the end of this start is the beginning of him turning it on. The slider looked good tonight. He was throwing it for strikes and rolling guys with it too.
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  10. #85

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    Stepped up nice, I thought it was going to be a short night for him.

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    Re: 2012 CC Sabathia performance thread

    He's drifting. That's all.
    Seems like he does this every year - struggles in April.
    I'm pretty confident that he'll be dominating again this season.
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    Re: 2012 CC Sabathia performance thread

    According to Marc Carig, a simple adjustment by Rothschild between innings helped him regain his good stuff last night. Nice to know our pitching coach is more on top of things than his predecessor was.

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    Re: 2012 CC Sabathia performance thread

    Quote Originally Posted by effdamets View Post
    He's drifting. That's all.
    Seems like he does this every year - struggles in April.
    I'm pretty confident that he'll be dominating again this season.
    CC doesn't appear to be a fan of cooler weather, so I look for him to heat up along with the burgers and hot dobs on the grill.
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    Re: 2012 CC Sabathia performance thread

    Quote Originally Posted by 35Knucklecurve View Post
    CC doesn't appear to be a fan of cooler weather, so I look for him to heat up along with the burgers and hot dobs on the grill.
    I try not to attribute the big guy's struggles to cool weather because it's also cooler in October.

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    He was dealing last night, it was a pleasure to watch an SP go 8IP.

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    Re: 2012 CC Sabathia performance thread

    2.73 xFIP.

  17. #92

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    Quote Originally Posted by teknetic View Post
    2.73 xFIP.
    I wish I knew off the top of my head what's considered a good xFIP, but I just don't. Should I look at it like it's ERA and assume that under 3 is very good?
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    Re: 2012 CC Sabathia performance thread

    Quote Originally Posted by sweet_lou_14 View Post
    I wish I knew off the top of my head what's considered a good xFIP, but I just don't. Should I look at it like it's ERA and assume that under 3 is very good?
    I'm no Groovitude but -

    Rating xFIP
    Excellent 2.90
    Great 3.25
    Above Average 3.75
    Average 4.00
    Below Average 4.20
    Poor 4.50
    Awful 5.00
    40 pitchers, ever, have an ERA+ of 130 or higher for their career. 15 have 140 or higher. 3 guys have 150 or higher - one is right at 150, the second place guy is at 154, and Mariano Rivera is at 205.

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    Re: 2012 CC Sabathia performance thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Muhozi View Post
    I'm no Groovitude but -

    Rating xFIP
    Excellent 2.90
    Great 3.25
    Above Average 3.75
    Average 4.00
    Below Average 4.20
    Poor 4.50
    Awful 5.00
    OK, thanks ... but that implies CC is pitching "excellent" and I have a hard time reconciling that with what I saw on my TV.
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    Re: 2012 CC Sabathia performance thread

    Quote Originally Posted by sweet_lou_14 View Post
    OK, thanks ... but that implies CC is pitching "excellent" and I have a hard time reconciling that with what I saw on my TV.
    xFIP is basically what is "normalized" ERA should be. I can't remember if it's FIP or xFIP that doesn't take HR into account (and I'm thinking it's the latter). Or it's something to do with HR. I dislike FIP, xFIP and WAR for pitchers.

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    Re: 2012 CC Sabathia performance thread

    Quote Originally Posted by sweet_lou_14 View Post
    OK, thanks ... but that implies CC is pitching "excellent" and I have a hard time reconciling that with what I saw on my TV.
    Quote Originally Posted by snapple View Post
    xFIP is basically what is "normalized" ERA should be. I can't remember if it's FIP or xFIP that doesn't take HR into account (and I'm thinking it's the latter). Or it's something to do with HR. I dislike FIP, xFIP and WAR for pitchers.
    xfip takes into account expected/projected homeruns.

    I'd say SIERA is a better indicator and CC is posting a 2.91 so far.
    40 pitchers, ever, have an ERA+ of 130 or higher for their career. 15 have 140 or higher. 3 guys have 150 or higher - one is right at 150, the second place guy is at 154, and Mariano Rivera is at 205.

  22. #97

    Re: 2012 CC Sabathia performance thread

    SIERA is pretty good. I'd expect CC to hit around a 3.00 ERA again, but I am hoping he can get a 2.5

  23. #98

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    CC will have a great season as long as we don't go back to a 6-man rotation & he keeps the weight off.

  24. #99

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    problem with fip for a pitcher experiencing some kind of change, such as decline in velo, is that the strikeout numbers may stay the same because the breaking stuff stays the same, but the fb, which lets the pitcher control the encounter more and is perhaps best thought of as a 'defense' against hard hit balls vs 'offense' of the breaking balls in striking people out, experiences real decline.

    i know that sentence is rather long but the idea is that strikeout rate may stay the same but the pitcher's velo decline does really mean he becomes worse at run prevention, contrary to projected fip.

    this is not to say cc won't be cc in the future, it is just that his velo needs to pick up a bit before he can dominate again.
    always reasonable

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    Re: 2012 CC Sabathia performance thread

    He lowered his ERA to 4.58 and is now 3-0. He leads the AL in strikeouts per 9 innings.

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