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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Since the Brendan Ryan fan club thinks it's ok to have strong defense even if you're historically bad at the plate, see if they'd nibble at Stewart for Montero+.

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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    From Mariner blogger Jeff Sullivan (who recently joined the FanGraphs staff):

    http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2012/1...?ref=fangraphs

    A highlight for Yankee fans:

    It was a huge deal when the Mariners traded Michael Pineda and a guy for Jesus Montero and a guy. The Mariners were supposedly subtracting from a strength to add to a weakness, and Montero had been one of the more hyped position-player prospects in the world. Pineda subsequently got himself hurt and didn't pitch all year. The minor leaguer also got hurt. Meanwhile, Jesus Montero went on to post a negative WAR, and Hector Noesi went on to post a negative WAR. There's a statistical argument to be made that Pineda did more for the Yankees by not playing than Montero and Noesi did for the Mariners by playing quite a lot.

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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by tranquility View Post
    From Mariner blogger Jeff Sullivan (who recently joined the FanGraphs staff):

    http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2012/1...?ref=fangraphs

    A highlight for Yankee fans:
    Good. Maybe the M's will agree and send him back at little cost.
    Jesus, I mean. Not Noesi.
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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    As bad as Montero was last year, I guarantee you Cashman would undo that trade right now if possible.

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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Do anything within reason to get back Montero.

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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by THEBOSS84 View Post
    As bad as Montero was last year, I guarantee you Cashman would undo that trade right now if possible.
    I agree (just because of Pineda's future health prospects, not because of anything performance related to this point), but I don't think its the same thing as it being a bad trade. The first team that can predict injuries will win the WS every year

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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Vin View Post
    Do anything within reason to get back Montero.
    There is nothing that would get Montero back that I would consider "within reason."

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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Jace View Post
    I agree (just because of Pineda's future health prospects, not because of anything performance related to this point), but I don't think its the same thing as it being a bad trade. The first team that can predict injuries will win the WS every year
    Injuries to young pitchers are fairly easy to predict when compared to young position players.

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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Is Pineda dead or something?
    Attention Steinbrenner and front-office morons! Your triumphs mean nothing. You all stink. You can sit on it, and rotate! This is George Costanza. I fear no reprisal. Extension 5-1-7-0.

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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by BennyTheJetRodriguez View Post
    Injuries to young pitchers are fairly easy to predict when compared to young position players.
    They're not easier to predict; they're just more common.

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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Axon View Post
    Is Pineda dead or something?
    Dead, DUI - same thing according to what I read on the internet.
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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Axon View Post
    Is Pineda dead or something?
    Not dead, but he's definitely in suspended animation.

    Expectations for him are, justifiably, near zero. We'd all love to be pleasantly surprised.
    "Baseball is about hope, not confidence." -- rajah

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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Axon View Post
    Is Pineda dead or something?
    http://www.cbssports.com/general/blo...-june-or-later

    He won't be back until almost the 2nd half next year -- if at all. Look at Dallas Braden for a recent example...

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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Big_E View Post
    http://www.cbssports.com/general/blo...-june-or-later

    He won't be back until almost the 2nd half next year -- if at all. Look at Dallas Braden for a recent example...

    He gets mad if you look at him.
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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by JDPNYY View Post
    He gets mad if you look at him.
    Only if you step on his mound.
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    the rest is just details.

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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
    Only if you step on his mound.
    He's a f*cken tool.
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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by effdamets View Post
    He's a f*cken tool.
    And has the distinction of being the worst pitcher to ever win a perfect game.

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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by RenoHightower View Post
    They're not easier to predict; they're just more common.
    they are more common, less random with more warning signs, and less avoidable since they are usually literally caused by pitching. So I have to disagree, they absolutely are easier to predict.

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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by BennyTheJetRodriguez View Post
    they are more common, less random with more warning signs, and less avoidable since they are usually literally caused by pitching. So I have to disagree, they absolutely are easier to predict.
    OK. Which healthy pitchers do you predict will suffer major injuries this year?

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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by RenoHightower View Post
    OK. Which healthy pitchers do you predict will suffer major injuries this year?
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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    one of the best GIFs ever. havent seen it in a while

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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by RenoHightower View Post
    OK. Which healthy pitchers do you predict will suffer major injuries this year?
    if a pitcher is a) under 25 b)hasn't had tommy John yet c) is coming off a large innings increase d)has a violent or "all arm delivery" e)is a converted position player or short inning reliever f) throws a slider or forkball/splitter..... They are more likely to get hurt and miss significant time. Pick a few guys with a few of these characteristics and one of them will get hurt.

    Can you tell me anything that makes a position player likely to incur an injury? If you can't then I'm right.

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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by BennyTheJetRodriguez View Post
    if a pitcher is a) under 25 b)hasn't had tommy John yet c) is coming off a large innings increase d)has a violent or "all arm delivery" e)is a converted position player or short inning reliever f) throws a slider or forkball/splitter..... They are more likely to get hurt and miss significant time. Pick a few guys with a few of these characteristics and one of them will get hurt.

    Can you tell me anything that makes a position player likely to incur an injury? If you can't then I'm right.
    All that, and you predictably didn't answer his question.
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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Snatch Catch View Post
    All that, and you predictably didn't answer his question.
    If you seriously disagree with me then ill look at stats and pick a few names. Do I really have to predict the future to support common sense? If you had a gun to your head and were told you had to pick 5 healthy MLB players that would miss several months of 2012 you wouldn't pick 5 young pitchers?

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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by BennyTheJetRodriguez View Post
    If you seriously disagree with me then ill look at stats and pick a few names. Do I really have to predict the future to support common sense? If you had a gun to your head and were told you had to pick 5 healthy MLB players that would miss several months of 2012 you wouldn't pick 5 young pitchers?

    There's an inherent risk in pitching which is magnified by young pitchers. I think of that as common knowledge.
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