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  1. #176

    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Except he really was worse in MiLB than Posada in MiLB or MLB, by quite a bit.

    Montero's on pace to become one of the worst catchers in terms of passed balls in a LONG time, worse than V-Mart and Posada by a lot.

    It's possible he's really good at other aspects of catching to make up for it... but I really doubt it given how others, including his own teammates, are so reserved in their praises. "He's closer than some people think". Yankees sang that tune for years up till the day they traded Montero away.

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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by conkermaniac View Post
    To be fair, he probably wouldn't be so bad defensively if he were catching every day like Jorge was. I really don't think he can be any worse than Posada defensively.
    If the Yankees agreed with you regarding his defense there's no way they would have traded him.

  3. #178

    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by False1 View Post
    If the Yankees agreed with you regarding his defense there's no way they would have traded him.
    Wouldn't be the first time the Yankees were wrong about something.

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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by grizy View Post
    The most PBs allowed since 1972 is 28 by Ted Simmons in 1975 in 1292 innings.
    Gino Petralli had 35 PB in 1987.

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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Big_E View Post
    Gino Petralli had 35 PB in 1987.
    I believe that was Charlie Hough's fault.
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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by StaleMilk View Post
    Wouldn't be the first time the Yankees were wrong about something.
    Of course not, but a good amount of evidence in mL and the SSS in ML supports their position. He did catch everyday in mL and he was materially worse than Posada. Sounds like sour grapes to me.

  7. #182

    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by False1 View Post
    Sounds like sour grapes to me.
    Hard to imagine there'd be any sour grapes here.

  8. #183

    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by False1 View Post
    Of course not, but a good amount of evidence in mL and the SSS in ML supports their position. He did catch everyday in mL and he was materially worse than Posada.
    By what metric? Receiving which IMO was always one of the most important parts of being a catcher and Posada was one of the worst.

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    Quote Originally Posted by False1 View Post
    Sounds like sour grapes to me.
    I was against this trade from the beginning. However, at this point Yankee fans should be legitimately sour. The main piece of this trade had potential career ending shoulder surgery and the other part is on the DL with an unknown elbow injury. Not to mention our offense is struggling mightily and Montero is heating up.

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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by StaleMilk View Post
    Not to mention our offense is struggling mightily and Montero is heating up.
    We are:

    4th in the AL in Runs
    2nd in the AL in Hits
    1st in the AL in HR
    2nd in the AL in Total Bases
    2nd in the AL in BA
    2nd in the AL in OBP
    2nd in the AL in SLG
    2nd in the AL in OPS

    Damn, I can't wait for our offense to get going, if it's currently "struggling mightily".

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  10. #185

    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Big_E View Post
    We are:

    4th in the AL in Runs
    2nd in the AL in Hits
    1st in the AL in HR
    2nd in the AL in Total Bases
    2nd in the AL in BA
    2nd in the AL in OBP
    2nd in the AL in SLG
    2nd in the AL in OPS

    Damn, I can't wait for our offense to get going, if it's currently "struggling mightily".
    Right, and of course I wasn't referring to aggregate stats. Before last night we scored 6 runs over 4 games.

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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by StaleMilk View Post
    Right, and of course I wasn't referring to aggregate stats. Before last night we scored 6 runs over 4 games.
    Against the Orioles and Royals

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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by MoVaughnEatsAlot View Post
    Against the Orioles and Royals
    Without 3 or 4 of our regular starters.
    A fool and his money can throw one heck of a party!

  13. #188

    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Big_E View Post
    Gino Petralli had 35 PB in 1987.
    Ah, Fangraphs filtered for "qualified" and Geno Petralli didn't. We're still talking about some historically awful catching seasons though.

  14. #189

    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    That swing at ys would have like 3 fewer singles and 3 more bombs
    always reasonable

  15. #190

    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by awy View Post
    That swing at ys would have like 3 fewer singles and 3 more bombs
    Don't think so. Pitchers in the Safe pitch up for FB.
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  16. #191

    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    have you seen the singles he hit off the walls
    always reasonable

  17. #192

    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by grizy View Post
    Except he really was worse in MiLB than Posada in MiLB or MLB, by quite a bit.

    Montero's on pace to become one of the worst catchers in terms of passed balls in a LONG time, worse than V-Mart and Posada by a lot.

    It's possible he's really good at other aspects of catching to make up for it... but I really doubt it given how others, including his own teammates, are so reserved in their praises. "He's closer than some people think". Yankees sang that tune for years up till the day they traded Montero away.
    For what it's worth, Jesus Montero does not lead the Seattle Mariners in passed balls this season.

    The Seattle Mariners once traded away a young minor league catcher in part because of his propensity for passed balls.

    Jason Varitek had 52 passed balls in 299 minor league games at catcher while Jesus Montero had 48 passed balls in 346 minor league games at catcher. Jorge Posada has 83 passed balls in 432 minor league games at catcher.
    Last edited by tranquility; 05-08-12 at 02:08 AM.

  18. #193

    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by tranquility View Post
    For what it's worth, Jesus Montero does not lead the Seattle Mariners in passed balls this season.
    He will if given enough playing time.

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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Yankees1962 View Post
    He will if given enough playing time.
    Jesus Montero, who avoided the passed ball Monday night behind the plate, nearly had a walkoff homerun but settled for a game-tying RBI double off the wall in the deepest reaches of centerfield as the Seattle Mariners scored three in the bottom of the ninth for a 3-2 win over the Detroit Tigers.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?co...50607&c_id=mlb

    The 14-17 Seattle Mariners are now 5-5 in Montero's 10 starts at catcher.
    Last edited by tranquility; 05-08-12 at 11:00 AM.

  20. #195

    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Why do you have to make it sound like a game re-cap?

    Just saying that he had a game tying RBI double would have been enough

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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by tranquility View Post
    Jesus Montero, who avoided the passed ball Monday night behind the plate, nearly had a walkoff homerun but settled for a game-tying RBI double off the wall in the deepest reaches of centerfield as the Seattle Mariners scored three in the bottom of the ninth for a 3-2 win over the Detroit Tigers.
    I can't believe they

    A. Let Dotel close.
    B. Keep him out there after issuing 2 straight leadoff walks and getting behind Montero 3-0
    C. Not walk Montero after getting behind like that.

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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by just-blaze View Post
    I can't believe they

    A. Let Dotel close.
    B. Keep him out there after issuing 2 straight leadoff walks and getting behind Montero 3-0
    C. Not walk Montero after getting behind like that.

    The arrogance some managers have is amazing. You were gifted a win tonight.
    Good points, but I didn't win squat Monday night ... the Mariners won.

  23. #198

    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Jax Teller View Post
    Why do you have to make it sound like a game re-cap?

    Just saying that he had a game tying RBI double would have been enough
    To distinguish the hit from a game-tying first-inning double in a Seattle loss.

    Some folks are interested in performance in high-leverage situations.

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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by tranquility View Post
    Good points, but I didn't win squat Monday night ... the Mariners won.
    Yeah, Im in a pissy mood over losing money on that game.
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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by tranquility View Post
    Jesus Montero, who avoided the passed ball Monday night behind the plate, nearly had a walkoff homerun but settled for a game-tying RBI double off the wall in the deepest reaches of centerfield as the Seattle Mariners scored three in the bottom of the ninth for a 3-2 win over the Detroit Tigers.

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