2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

[JohnnyEllis]

Go Jesus.

[Rocketman]

4-4 tonight.

So glad we traded him away to get Michael Pineda.

[BennyTheJetRodriguez]

Joe Girrardi was a very good defensive catcher that couldn't really hit. Athletes are ego driven, its what makes them successful. Girardi more than likely believes that superior defensive catchers that can't hit are more valuable than superior offensive catchers with below average to poor ball handling skills. Being replaced by Posada for offensive purposes is probably somthing that bothers him to this day.

Is it not then possible, or even probable, that the reasn the Yankees were so eager to trade montero, was because a player like him simply doesn't fit into Girardi's coaching philosophy. I personally think this had a lot to do with why the trade was made. Similar to the Angels trading Mike Napoli, which was also a mistake.

[jcarey]

Joe Girrardi was a very good defensive catcher that couldn't really hit. Athletes are ego driven, its what makes them successful. Girardi more than likely believes that superior defensive catchers that can't hit are more valuable than superior offensive catchers with below average to poor ball handling skills. Being replaced by Posada for offensive purposes is probably somthing that bothers him to this day.

Is it not then possible, or even probable, that the reasn the Yankees were so eager to trade montero, was because a player like him simply doesn't fit into Girardi's coaching philosophy. I personally think this had a lot to do with why the trade was made. Similar to the Angels trading Mike Napoli, which was also a mistake.

Possible, but not probable to me. The trade can stand on its own merits given what we knew at the time. If they didn't think Montero could catch (or stay healthy catching with that frame), fine. But if they based his value on some misguided notion like you mention, well, that'd be dumb.

[Yankee Fan in Boston]

Possible, but not probable to me. The trade can stand on its own merits given what we knew at the time. If they didn't think Montero could catch (or stay healthy catching with that frame), fine. But if they based his value on some misguided notion like you mention, well, that'd be dumb.

Yeah, I'd have to agree. I believe Girardi might have a voice on some things, but I don't believe he drives decisions like this one.

[BennyTheJetRodriguez]

No, no, I don't think that Girardi's preference against (or bitterness towards) catchers that hit well, but don't field well was THE reason the trade was made. I just think it was a factor.

[Yankee Fan in Boston]

No, no, I don't think that Girardi's preference against (or bitterness towards) catchers that hit well, but don't field well was THE reason the trade was made. I just think it was a factor.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion. I just don't agree. I think the Yankees perceptions of Montero's catching, and his valuation, were determined by the guys who were watching him, not Girardi

[awy]

if joe was not going to play montero at catcher, then that's a huge factor in the trade scenario.

[Yankee Fan in Boston]

if joe was not going to play montero at catcher, then that's a huge factor in the trade scenario.

Joe's playing Nunez in the OF b/c the team wanted to turn him into a full utility player. I think they'd have given Montero more of a shot if they really wanted him to catch.

The reality is, they were willing to deal Montero well before Girardi would have weighed in

[awy]

i'm not saying they wouldn't have traded montero without girardi's input. just sayin, if he really did not like montero catching, it would have been a factor because he would not be played at C for this team.

if they have say earl weaver, montero would probably have more of a role on the team.

[Yankee Fan in Boston]

i'm not saying they wouldn't have traded montero without girardi's input. just sayin, if he really did not like montero catching, it would have been a factor because he would not be played at C for this team.

if they have say earl weaver, montero would probably have more of a role on the team.

It's just a hugely theoretical argument, and it might be more believable if Montero had caught more at the end of last year. Girardi once did break in a defensively-challenged, young Yankee C.

[awy]

well i don't really care now. i just want montero on the team to have someone to root for.

[BennyTheJetRodriguez]

It's just a hugely theoretical argument, and it might be more believable if Montero had caught more at the end of last year. Girardi once did break in a defensively-challenged, young Yankee C.

Who? Posada? He had absolutely no input on that. The manager on that team was a catcher Known for his hitting.

Obviously I can't prove anything. It makes sense though

[MoVaughnEatsAlot]

well i don't really care now. i just want montero on the team to have someone to root for.

You don't root for anyone else on the team?

[a-RobinsonCano-Fan]

well i don't really care now. i just want montero on the team to have someone to root for.

Early August, when the M's come into town, I wonder what kind of reception Montero will get. Im thinking it will be some overly sarcastic ovation where Cashmans entire family can hear

[JohnnyEllis]

Olivo hurt, will be catching more:

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/ey...-olivos-injury

[JfromJersey]

I wonder when this thread can be renamed the "Eat Your Heart Out Yankees" thread.

[effdamets]

I wonder when this thread can be renamed the "Eat Your Heart Out Yankees" thread.

Probably never.

As was stated in the Darvish thread, I'm going to wait until this guy has at least a full season under his belt before making a determination about him.
Let him get into territory that his body hasn't seen yet. Let's see him catch regularly and perform.

Until then, it's nice to see the youngster have some success at the Major League level.

[awy]

You don't root for anyone else on the team?

i hold these two distinct and parallel rooting interests:

i want the yankees to do well. from a 'management that should service the fans' perspective. i.e. i want them to play the dominant strat and try to win. realistic management wants to make bank.

i root for talented players. of course i am more familiar with the yankees guys so i tend to root for them, but i tend towards blurring the team distinction here.

there is really not a lot of interaction between these two. i want to see montero do well but i don't think that way to spite management or something.

[jcarey]

i hold these two distinct and parallel rooting interests:

i want the yankees to do well. from a 'management that should service the fans' perspective. i.e. i want them to play the dominant strat and try to win. realistic management wants to make bank.

i root for talented players. of course i am more familiar with the yankees guys so i tend to root for them, but i tend towards blurring the team distinction here.

there is really not a lot of interaction between these two. i want to see montero do well but i don't think that way to spite management or something.

I don't think you're alone here, at least with respect to being drawn toward really talented players. I love watching guys like Strasburg dominate. Of course, I never want to see him dominate a Yankees lineup. Ever.

Edit: I also appreciate isolated plays that are truly spectacular, even if made against the Yankees.

[kirbivore]

Early August, when the M's come into town, I wonder what kind of reception Montero will get. Im thinking it will be some overly sarcastic ovation where Cashmans entire family can hear

M's also are in town next weekend (May 11-13).

[NYCrusader]

I echo the statements made by some posters in this thread.

Basically I'm as big a baseball fan as I am a Yankee fan.

So with out a doubt I can enjoy watching other talented players around baseabll while wanting the Yankees collectively win and for players on the Yankee roster to preform in that winning effort.

[jcarey]

Heating up? OPSing 1.095 over the past week (21 ABs).

[grizy]

In 64 innings as catcher, Monty allowed 3 PBs and 3 WPs.

If he plays 678.1IPs at C, like Jorge did in 2010, Monty is on pace for about 32PBs and 32WPs. Jorge clocked 8PBs and 32WPs in 2010. The most PBs allowed since 1972 is 28 by Ted Simmons in 1975 in 1292 innings. Even if you give Montero credit for the 22IPs with no PBs, 3PBs in 86IPs still puts him on pace for ~23PBs in a half season (650 innings, 80 games, give or take). This is not an MLB phenomenon either. He was atrocious at PBs in MiLB too.

Mariners have no illusions about his defensive ability right now. They are treating it as and calling it the developmental project that it is. Even the pitchers, in an article cited earlier, said "he's close" not "he's good enough."

[conkermaniac]

In 64 innings as catcher, Monty allowed 3 PBs and 3 WPs.

If he plays 678.1IPs at C, like Jorge did in 2010, Monty is on pace for about 32PBs and 32WPs. Jorge clocked 8PBs and 32WPs in 2010. The most PBs allowed since 1972 is 28 by Ted Simmons in 1975 in 1292 innings. Even if you give Montero credit for the 22IPs with no PBs, 3PBs in 86IPs still puts him on pace for ~23PBs in a half season (650 innings, 80 games, give or take). This is not an MLB phenomenon either. He was atrocious at PBs in MiLB too.

Mariners have no illusions about his defensive ability right now. They are treating it as and calling it the developmental project that it is. Even the pitchers, in an article cited earlier, said "he's close" not "he's good enough."

To be fair, he probably wouldn't be so bad defensively if he were catching every day like Jorge was. I really don't think he can be any worse than Posada defensively.