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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Jax Teller View Post
    Not exactly. During the Great Jeter Debate of '11, there was logical reasoning for why people thought Jeter was on a severe decline. Just using him as an example.

    There's a difference between an illogical argument & one where people just agree to disagree. ITL can get insane but there's more logical arguments about various topics then there isn't going on in those threads.
    Agreed. But I think Eric's point is valid. No matter what topic you bring up there will be strong cases on two opposite ends of a debate and things wind up turning silly after a while and the "I told you so's" are always there when the season ends and one side is proven correct.

    I'm not saying you're wrong and this thread won't turn into a disaster, it will and it will entertain the hell out of me. But realistically most arguments around here pretty much follow the same path. This is why we come here every day!
    Boo for trading Prado.

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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman23 View Post
    Agreed. But I think Eric's point is valid. No matter what topic you bring up there will be strong cases on two opposite ends of a debate and things wind up turning silly after a while and the "I told you so's" are always there when the season ends and one side is proven correct.
    this is not really true.

    that said, it is the case in this Pineda/Montero case.
    like delv, but better

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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Satchel, I've been on this forum for 10 years. trust me.... it's why we have turnover.
    Boo for trading Prado.

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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    The more things change, the more things stay the same. - Jean-Baptiste Alphonse Karr

    You cannot step into the same river twice, for fresh waters are ever flowing in upon you - Heraclitus

    like delv, but better

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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    The problem is whether the person believes it or they are trolling there is always someone on the opposite end of the spectrum, even on things that are pretty obvious and make very strong arguments no matter how silly. I'm used to it. Again, entertainment for me. I just sit back and watch.

    Boo for trading Prado.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman23 View Post
    Agreed. But I think Eric's point is valid. No matter what topic you bring up there will be strong cases on two opposite ends of a debate and things wind up turning silly after a while and the "I told you so's" are always there when the season ends and one side is proven correct.

    I'm not saying you're wrong and this thread won't turn into a disaster, it will and it will entertain the hell out of me. But realistically most arguments around here pretty much follow the same path. This is why we come here every day!
    Sure every thread has the occasional nonsensical argument, but its a small portion. I'm just saying that I think this thread will be mostly nonsensical.

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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Agreed!
    Boo for trading Prado.

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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by kongull View Post
    Lets be realistic...





    There's no way Montero will bat .333, hit 50 bombs and only slug .590
    Let's really be real ..... he ain't doin' any of that in Safeco.
    “Begin each day as if it were on purpose........”—Alex Hitchens

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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman23 View Post
    Satchel, I've been on this forum for 10 years. trust me.... it's why we have turnover.
    "This thing needs to happen.... every 5 years, 10 years.... gets ridda the bad blood."

    Peter Clemenza
    “Begin each day as if it were on purpose........”—Alex Hitchens

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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Jax Teller View Post
    Sure every thread has the occasional nonsensical argument, but its a small portion. I'm just saying that I think this thread will be mostly nonsensical.
    It will be mostly nonsensical precisely because the argument will be taking place while sample sizes are still far too small for a definitive conclusion. Even a full year from now, it would be premature to declare whether the Yankees should regret the trade, barring a catastrophic injury to either player. Heck, there are people for whom the last word on the Kennedy / Granderson trade still isn't written, and that was two years ago.

    But once enough time has passed, there generally ends up being a consensus on these things. The winner of the Jay Buhner trade is no longer up for debate.

    All of which is probably what you're already saying.
    "Baseball is about hope, not confidence." -- rajah

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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by effdamets View Post
    "This thing needs to happen.... every 5 years, 10 years.... gets ridda the bad blood."

    Peter Clemenza
    great quote. he says it like it nothing, too

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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    i will make sure this is the best thread on these yonder fora
    always reasonable

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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Seattle Mariners Hope Jesus Montero Can Get Good Enough To One Day Sign With Yankees

    http://www.theonion.com/articles/sea...-good-e,27101/

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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Big_E View Post
    Seattle Mariners Hope Jesus Montero Can Get Good Enough To One Day Sign With Yankees

    http://www.theonion.com/articles/sea...-good-e,27101/

    Funny concept, but a tad morbid.
    Pardon, for us.

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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Apparently he has visa/passport issues.
    40 pitchers, ever, have an ERA+ of 130 or higher for their career. 15 have 140 or higher. 3 guys have 150 or higher - one is right at 150, the second place guy is at 154, and Mariano Rivera is at 205.

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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by effdamets View Post
    Let's really be real ..... he ain't doin' any of that in Safeco.
    I thing he was exaggerating for humorous effect. I will say this though... Montero might be one of the few RH hitters that Safeco doesn't dramatically effect if his oppo shots at YS are any indication. Those all would have been long gone at Safeco.

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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Trade not yet official, but Montero has physical
    SEATTLE -- The trade between the Mariners and Yankees involving premier young talents Jesus Montero and Michael Pineda still hasn't been formally announced, but Montero was in Seattle on Saturday undergoing physical exams, and final word is likely to come by Monday.

    News of the impending four-player swap initially leaked out eight days ago, but Montero, 22, had travel issues getting out of his native Venezuela last week, and then was further delayed by a snow storm that hit Seattle.
    Just got our power back today.
    Hopefully, Jesus can bring some power of a different sort to Safeco Field for years to come

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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Big_E View Post
    Seattle Mariners Hope Jesus Montero Can Get Good Enough To One Day Sign With Yankees

    http://www.theonion.com/articles/sea...-good-e,27101/
    I love The Onion.
    Boo for trading Prado.

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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    kinda hopin it gets revealed that he's 23 instead of 22 and the trade falls thru. our pitching would be d00med, but man, it'd be kinda cool
    like delv, but better

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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    well, now that i'm largely free of jesus lust, i think that is not cool.
    always reasonable

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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    So my wife and I are gonna be in Seattle this summer. For attending Mariners games together, we're thinking that she might get a Pineda Yankees t-shirt and I might get a customized Montero Yankees t-shirt (using his Mariners #). The M fans won't know what to do
    like delv, but better

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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    so long my love.
    always reasonable

  23. #48

    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by awy View Post
    so long my love.
    You'll be rooting for Cervelli but it's Montero's name you'll be saying.
    "Baseball is about hope, not confidence." -- rajah

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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    ewwwwwwww
    always reasonable

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    Re: 2012 Jesus Montero Performance Thread

    bumping this Montero Watch / Suicide Watch Thread



    like delv, but better

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