2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

[snapple]

Have you ever been out drinking?

[MTYankee23]

about as much brain cell as required to claim that drinking water will counteract ...

whatever i don't even care.

Seriously, BtJR does a great job going into technical detail about the effects of alcohol and athletic performance, and we get...you just need to stay hydrated.

Oh, and a .126 for a 265 lb guy isn't blowing off steam after a tough work day. It's straight up poor decision making.

[Mr Coffee]

Seriously, BtJR does a great job going into technical detail about the effects of alcohol and athletic performance, and we get...you just need to stay hydrated.

Oh, and a .126 for a 265 lb guy isn't blowing off steam after a tough work day. It's straight up poor decision making.

I was oversimplifying, obviously. Or maybe not so obviously.

And .126 is .126 no matter what your weight, so don't go feeling superior in your alcohol affect knowledge just yet.

[MTYankee23]

I was oversimplifying, obviously. Or maybe not so obviously.

And .126 is .126 no matter what your weight, so don't go feeling superior in your alcohol affect knowledge just yet.

So you're saying that if a 110 lb women and Pineda each had 5 drinks, their BAC would be the same? That's interesting, I've never read that anywhere, if true I stand corrected.

The point about alcohol and athletic performance still stands though. Potentially one of the worst things you can put in your body as an athlete.

[awy]

http://www.brad21.org/bac_charts.html

at 220 pounds he had to drink a lot. the figure can be underreported as well by an initial reading.

Have you ever been out drinking?

yea but ive never gotten drunk before.

[Mr Coffee]

So you're saying that if a 110 lb women and Pineda each had 5 drinks, their BAC would be the same? That's interesting, I've never read that anywhere, if true I stand corrected.

I didn't say that. You said that having a .126 BAC at 265 lb implies poor decision making, as if his weight has something to do with it. Is the 110 lb woman with a .126 BAC a better decision maker because she weighs less?

[Mr Coffee]

at 220 pounds he had to drink a lot.

Thanks for the insight.

[Mr Coffee]

yea but ive never gotten drunk before.

How can you be sure?

Do you check your BAC at various times throughout the evening?

[awy]

the insight is that it's more irresponsible to drink 7 or 8 beers than a guy who drinks only a couple.

[awy]

How can you be sure?

Do you check your BAC at various times throughout the evening?

no, but i was able to work through godel's proof backwards in my head and do some juggling so i'm okay.

[Mr Coffee]

the insight is that it's more irresponsible to drink 7 or 8 beers than a guy who drinks only a couple.

So by that logic the 220 lb guy who has four drinks and a .07 BAC is less responsible than the 110 lb woman who has three drinks and a .10.

[Mr Coffee]

no, but i was able to work through godel's proof backwards in my head and do some juggling so i'm okay.

You could be a functional alcoholic.

[awy]

So by that logic the 220 lb guy who has four drinks and a .07 BAC is less responsible than the 110 lb woman who has three drinks and a .10.

not rly.

[Mr Coffee]

not rly.

Right. Because it's the BAC that matters and not how many drinks you had.

Thank you.

[awy]

you are drawing blanks here. the idea is that both 'staying below the limit' and number of drinks matter.

having seven or eight beers is obviously a more prolonged process with more opportunity for saying no.

[Mr Coffee]

you are drawing blanks here. the idea is that both 'staying below the limit' and number of drinks matter.

having seven or eight beers is obviously a more prolonged process with more opportunity for saying no.

The number of drinks doesn't matter if you stay below the legal limit.

And this may surprise you, but most people who go out drinking are not awaiting an opportunity to say no between drinks.

Bottom line-- he did nothing wrong except drive.

[awy]

so he can um drink into a drunken stupor everyday and still make progress in his rehab? this is a serious challenge.

[Mr Coffee]

so he can um drink into a drunken stupor everyday and still make progress in his rehab? this is a serious challenge.

No, nor did I say this.

Is there anyone saying that this is what he is doing?

[awy]

Bottom line-- he did nothing wrong except drive.

among the things he did was drinking a lot of alcohol. by this statement above that was ok for a rehabbing player. i think no.

[K-W]

This would only change your estimation of his chances if you were assuming that he was a total fitness nut. Even if he hadn't already been a little out of shape coming to camp it would be silly to assume this. Most players go out partying and binge drinking is widespread at his age. We found out about it because he made the condemnable decision to drive.

Absent evidence that he has been going overboard on the drinking regularly or future evidence that he hasn't learned from his mistake I don't see much cause for concern.

[awy]

this is a clearly bad outcome.

what u do when faced with a bad outcome like this?

reexamine either your personnel or the process or both.

that's all there is to it

[K-W]

this is a clearly bad outcome.

what u do when faced with a bad outcome like this?

reexamine either your personnel or the process or both.

that's all there is to it

The team probably should and probably will do more to engage players in all parts of the system to keep them from getting into these situations. That probably won't mean we will never have another player get popped with a DUI. There is only so much the team can do and athletes are human beings.

[MoVaughnEatsAlot]

you are drawing blanks here. the idea is that both 'staying below the limit' and number of drinks matter.

having seven or eight beers is obviously a more prolonged process with more opportunity for saying no.

[snapple]

having seven or eight beers is obviously a more prolonged process with more opportunity for saying no.

you're being cute

[awy]

that's pretty straightforward. want me to math it for you?