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  1. #2651

    Re: 2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

    Have you ever been out drinking?
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  2. #2652

    Re: 2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by awy View Post
    about as much brain cell as required to claim that drinking water will counteract ...

    whatever i don't even care.
    Seriously, BtJR does a great job going into technical detail about the effects of alcohol and athletic performance, and we get...you just need to stay hydrated.

    Oh, and a .126 for a 265 lb guy isn't blowing off steam after a tough work day. It's straight up poor decision making.

  3. #2653

    Re: 2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by MTYankee23 View Post
    Seriously, BtJR does a great job going into technical detail about the effects of alcohol and athletic performance, and we get...you just need to stay hydrated.

    Oh, and a .126 for a 265 lb guy isn't blowing off steam after a tough work day. It's straight up poor decision making.
    I was oversimplifying, obviously. Or maybe not so obviously.

    And .126 is .126 no matter what your weight, so don't go feeling superior in your alcohol affect knowledge just yet.
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  4. #2654

    Re: 2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Coffee View Post
    I was oversimplifying, obviously. Or maybe not so obviously.

    And .126 is .126 no matter what your weight, so don't go feeling superior in your alcohol affect knowledge just yet.
    So you're saying that if a 110 lb women and Pineda each had 5 drinks, their BAC would be the same? That's interesting, I've never read that anywhere, if true I stand corrected.

    The point about alcohol and athletic performance still stands though. Potentially one of the worst things you can put in your body as an athlete.

  5. #2655

    Re: 2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

    http://www.brad21.org/bac_charts.html

    at 220 pounds he had to drink a lot. the figure can be underreported as well by an initial reading.


    Quote Originally Posted by snapple View Post
    Have you ever been out drinking?
    yea but ive never gotten drunk before.
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  6. #2656

    Re: 2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by MTYankee23 View Post
    So you're saying that if a 110 lb women and Pineda each had 5 drinks, their BAC would be the same? That's interesting, I've never read that anywhere, if true I stand corrected.
    I didn't say that. You said that having a .126 BAC at 265 lb implies poor decision making, as if his weight has something to do with it. Is the 110 lb woman with a .126 BAC a better decision maker because she weighs less?
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  7. #2657

    Re: 2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by awy View Post
    at 220 pounds he had to drink a lot.
    Thanks for the insight.
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  8. #2658

    Re: 2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by awy View Post
    yea but ive never gotten drunk before.
    How can you be sure?

    Do you check your BAC at various times throughout the evening?
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  9. #2659

    Re: 2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

    the insight is that it's more irresponsible to drink 7 or 8 beers than a guy who drinks only a couple.
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  10. #2660

    Re: 2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Coffee View Post
    How can you be sure?

    Do you check your BAC at various times throughout the evening?
    no, but i was able to work through godel's proof backwards in my head and do some juggling so i'm okay.
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  11. #2661

    Re: 2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by awy View Post
    the insight is that it's more irresponsible to drink 7 or 8 beers than a guy who drinks only a couple.
    So by that logic the 220 lb guy who has four drinks and a .07 BAC is less responsible than the 110 lb woman who has three drinks and a .10.
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  12. #2662

    Re: 2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by awy View Post
    no, but i was able to work through godel's proof backwards in my head and do some juggling so i'm okay.
    You could be a functional alcoholic.
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  13. #2663

    Re: 2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Coffee View Post
    So by that logic the 220 lb guy who has four drinks and a .07 BAC is less responsible than the 110 lb woman who has three drinks and a .10.
    not rly.
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  14. #2664

    Re: 2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by awy View Post
    not rly.
    Right. Because it's the BAC that matters and not how many drinks you had.

    Thank you.
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  15. #2665

    Re: 2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

    you are drawing blanks here. the idea is that both 'staying below the limit' and number of drinks matter.

    having seven or eight beers is obviously a more prolonged process with more opportunity for saying no.
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  16. #2666

    Re: 2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by awy View Post
    you are drawing blanks here. the idea is that both 'staying below the limit' and number of drinks matter.

    having seven or eight beers is obviously a more prolonged process with more opportunity for saying no.
    The number of drinks doesn't matter if you stay below the legal limit.

    And this may surprise you, but most people who go out drinking are not awaiting an opportunity to say no between drinks.

    Bottom line-- he did nothing wrong except drive.
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  17. #2667

    Re: 2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

    so he can um drink into a drunken stupor everyday and still make progress in his rehab? this is a serious challenge.
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  18. #2668

    Re: 2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by awy View Post
    so he can um drink into a drunken stupor everyday and still make progress in his rehab? this is a serious challenge.
    No, nor did I say this.

    Is there anyone saying that this is what he is doing?
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  19. #2669

    Re: 2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

    Bottom line-- he did nothing wrong except drive.
    among the things he did was drinking a lot of alcohol. by this statement above that was ok for a rehabbing player. i think no.
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    Re: 2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

    This would only change your estimation of his chances if you were assuming that he was a total fitness nut. Even if he hadn't already been a little out of shape coming to camp it would be silly to assume this. Most players go out partying and binge drinking is widespread at his age. We found out about it because he made the condemnable decision to drive.

    Absent evidence that he has been going overboard on the drinking regularly or future evidence that he hasn't learned from his mistake I don't see much cause for concern.

  21. #2671

    Re: 2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

    this is a clearly bad outcome.

    what u do when faced with a bad outcome like this?

    reexamine either your personnel or the process or both.

    that's all there is to it
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    Re: 2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by awy View Post
    this is a clearly bad outcome.

    what u do when faced with a bad outcome like this?

    reexamine either your personnel or the process or both.

    that's all there is to it
    The team probably should and probably will do more to engage players in all parts of the system to keep them from getting into these situations. That probably won't mean we will never have another player get popped with a DUI. There is only so much the team can do and athletes are human beings.

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    Re: 2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by awy View Post
    you are drawing blanks here. the idea is that both 'staying below the limit' and number of drinks matter.

    having seven or eight beers is obviously a more prolonged process with more opportunity for saying no.

  24. #2674

    Re: 2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by awy View Post
    having seven or eight beers is obviously a more prolonged process with more opportunity for saying no.
    you're being cute
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  25. #2675

    Re: 2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

    that's pretty straightforward. want me to math it for you?
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