2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

[YankeePride1967]

Agreed. The Yankees would have a plethora of reasons for sending him down. Not to mention they have absolutely no history of this.

Except for on-field performance of course.

[teknetic]

Is this game gonna be on YES?

[StaleMilk]

Except for on-field performance of course.

I'm sure they can say a number of things that would be very diificult to prove otherwise.

[ieddyi]

Read in a couple of places that " HIS ROTATION SPOT IS IN JEOPARDY "

Yanks concerned with amount of cutters he's throwing

Yanks concerned with lost velocity

Blah blah blah

Let's hope it's just the hacks filling up column space. If he does lose his rotation spot to sweaty Freddy, it seems like the only valid reason would be an injury- he's proved himself @ the ML level

And you thought the level of discourse here was bad previously.....

[Battingly]

Is this game gonna be on YES?

Yep, 7PM Start

[bmxstreetrider86]

I'm sure they can say a number of things that would be very diificult to prove otherwise.

lets ask this, how do you justify sending down pineda instead of nova in any way other than service time manipulation?

[Yankee Tripper]

lets ask this, how do you justify sending down pineda instead of nova in any way other than service time manipulation?

Did Michael go 16-4 for the Yankees last year? Thought not.

[awy]

pineda had a better season than nova last year

[bmxstreetrider86]

Did Michael go 16-4 for the Yankees last year? Thought not.

what is it 1980? pineda was an allstar last year on a crappy team, and the yankees gave up their best prospect for him, and every number besides ERA and W/L record favored Pineda. oh and Pineda has pitched significantly better so far this year than Nova

[THEBOSS84]

lets ask this, how do you justify sending down pineda instead of nova in any way other than service time manipulation?

They can say they are trying to figure out why his FB velocity is down and that they want him to work on a few things.

[bmxstreetrider86]

They can say they are trying to figure out why his FB velocity is down and that they want him to work on a few things.

then pineda's camp says its a rehab assignment and he gets service time. and if he has to work on some stuff what does Nova need?

[Yankee Tripper]

pineda had a better season than nova last year

what is it 1980? pineda was an allstar last year on a crappy team, and the yankees gave up their best prospect for him, and every number besides ERA and W/L record favored Pineda. oh and Pineda has pitched significantly better so far this year than Nova

Nova had a better ERA+ and a decidedly better second half than Pineda.

I'm not going to sit here and tell you Nova is a better pitcher but if I'm before an MLB grievence board representing the Yankees I can go on all day why Pineda should be sent to the minors and service time would NEVER enter any of my arguments.

[Yankee Tripper]

then pineda's camp says its a rehab assignment and he gets service time. and if he has to work on some stuff what does Nova need?

The Yankees say Pindea came in out of shape and need to build arm strenght. That he should have thought of that before he got lazy and its a straight optuon not a rehab.

Nova is irrelevant to the argument of why the Yankees optioned Pineda instead of Nova in any kind of grievence.

[THEBOSS84]

then pineda's camp says its a rehab assignment and he gets service time. and if he has to work on some stuff what does Nova need?

How can it be a rehab assignment if there is no injury?

Nova is showing the same repertoire he was showing last year. Pineda is not.

[bmxstreetrider86]

Nova had a better ERA+ and a decidedly better second half than Pineda.

I'm not going to sit here and tell you Nova is a better pitcher but if I'm before an MLB grievence board representing the Yankees I can go on all day why Pineda should be sent to the minors and service time would NEVER enter any of my arguments.

of course the yankees would never say it was just about service time, but pineda has more than enough ammo to prove that it is, and then the whole point about sending him down for an extra year is completely wasted.

[Yankee Tripper]

of course the yankees would never say it was just about service time, but pineda has more than enough ammo to prove that it is, and then the whole point about sending him down for an extra year is completely wasted.

what amo? His average FB is down 3 mph and he has options, the Yanks need no other justification. Regardless of if that is stupid or warrented.

[bmxstreetrider86]

How can it be a rehab assignment if there is no injury?

Nova is showing the same repertoire he was showing last year. Pineda is not.

yet pineda was a better pitcher last year and this year so far.


this is all pointless because

A) they would be stupid to send him down
B) if they did with the intention of only manipulating his service time it could completely blow up in their face.

[THEBOSS84]

yet pineda was a better pitcher last year and this year so far.


this is all pointless because

A) they would be stupid to send him down
B) if they did with the intention of only manipulating his service time it could completely blow up in their face.

You didn't answer my question.

I don't think they are sending Pineda down (for the record), I was just saying that they can definitely justify it due to his lack of FB velocity that even Cashman has acknowledged publicly multiple times.

[bmxstreetrider86]

You didn't answer my question.

I don't think they are sending Pineda down (for the record), I was just saying that they can definitely justify it due to his lack of FB velocity that even Cashman has acknowledged publicly multiple times.

there is no answer for where his velocity is, so there is no reason to believe the minors is going to make him find it. if nova and pineda's numbers were reversed there could be a plausible reason for sending him down, but he has performed well even without the velocity. and Pineda himself continues to say he isnt trying to throw his hardest and you get into another debate

[awy]

it probably takes quite the smoking gun, heavy evidence to win a grievance case.

[THEBOSS84]

there is no answer for where his velocity is, so there is no reason to believe the minors is going to make him find it. if nova and pineda's numbers were reversed there could be a plausible reason for sending him down, but he has performed well even without the velocity. and Pineda himself continues to say he isnt trying to throw his hardest and you get into another debate

Sure there is a reason to believe the minors will help him find it. He came to camp 10-20 pounds overweight and they want him to continue to work himself back into shape.

Wasn't the argument on this forum that he was hitting 98 last spring because he played winter ball?

[Yankee Tripper]

there is no answer for where his velocity is, so there is no reason to believe the minors is going to make him find it. if nova and pineda's numbers were reversed there could be a plausible reason for sending him down, but he has performed well even without the velocity. and Pineda himself continues to say he isnt trying to throw his hardest and you get into another debate

I firmly believe that Micahel Pineda is one ofthe 5 best starters the Yankees have right now. That's not the argument I'm making.

I also firmly believe that while it would make the most sense for the Yankees short and long term to have him in the rotation. In my opinion I can easily make a case for sending him to AAA because his FB velo is down and he has 5+ ERA in the second half last year.

The Yanks can also say, sure his spring numbers look good but he did a lot aginst lesser competion and spring mean squat.

Now if he comes out throwing 94-96 today against the Phils, I can't make any argument based on velocity so for Michaels sake, and the Yankees, I sure hope he comes out throwing hard cheese today and puts this whole debate to rest.

[ajra21]

b-ball-lunachick if I offended you I apologize.

All women are not passive aggressive was more of a throw away comment didn't realize there was a woman poster here.

So I hope you can accept my apology.

if? "if" must mean something different on your side of the ocean.

Goodness, so much petty bickering. It's like I'm in a room with a bunch of females.

[sweet_lou_14]

I love a good hypothetical conspiracy theory thread.

[Jax Teller]

Why would you bump that up after the issue is over & done with?

//edit @ajra