2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

[NYCrusader]

sure but i'd like to not read about it anymore and therefore expended effort to stop the useless blah blah from flowing out on this issue.


and guys, we have discussed it. he has low velo early in spring. okay, let's wait and see about this potential serious problem.

what more do you want

Sorry I don't see the issue discussing Pineda's velocity as of 3/15 in the Michael Pineda Performance Thread

Here is the "Countdown to Opening Day - A Jorge Posada Tribute"

Maybe this thread is more to your liking
http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread...Posada-Tribute

[awy]

i remember posting a link to espn's dear willy talking about pineda's cutter in the 90-91 range and saying if that's his real velo we are pretty ................ed. this was shortly after his first start.

[NYCrusader]

what more do you want? defcon 1?

To respond to your edit I've responded to this type of dishonest argumentative rhetoric already.

There is no need to overreact because it is highly unlikely he lost his velocity in 1 off season but there is no issue in discussing specifically in the "Michael Pineda Performance thread."

There is a difference.

[awy]

well we are having this discussion and i'm among the people saying it is not a big issue right now, so no need to talk about it before we see something more definitive.

a position can be validly calling for the ending of a discussion.


btw thanks for providing a topic for ~srs research~ into the intricacies of self reference

[NYCrusader]

well we are having this discussion and i'm among the people saying it is not a big issue right now, so no need to talk about it before we see something more definitive.

a position can be validly calling for the ending of a discussion.


btw thanks for providing a topic for ~srs research~ into the intricacies of self reference

I don't think it's a big issue either and I waited till today(his 3rd start) to even put forth an opinion but I on the other hand see no problem discussing it or talking about it.

It's a Yankee forum where people discuss and talk Baseball and specifically Yankee baseball at that.

People don't need to wait for more information to discuss the velocity they see from the game Pineda just pitched.

Just like people wouldn't need to wait to discuss if a Yankee did something awesome on the field.

[awy]

okay okay i promise to shut up

[NYCrusader]

You can say what you want when you want.

I'm just free to respond as well.

[YankeePride1967]

If he's throwing 91-92 on April 7, 8, 9 or whenever his first start is, I will worry. Not worried on March 15 because he isn't throwing 95.

[Yankee Tripper]

i don't see why you'd waste energy on fretting when the solution is simply to wait and see.

dude, it's mid-march, what else are we supposed to waste time on?

[NYCrusader]

No, he should be throwing 98 from his first outing out!

Hyperbole.

Consistent 93-94 by now would be nice.

[YankeePride1967]

Hyperbole.

93-94 would be nice.

I edited my post. I'll worry if he's not at 95 on April 6.

[NYCrusader]

dude, it's mid-march, what else are we supposed to waste time on?

Well there are the countdown to opening day, the post a ST picture and we're doomed threads.

[Mr Coffee]

Consistent 93-94 by now would be nice.

Yeah, how are we supposed to win the Spring Training Championship without this guy showing up to camp in mid-season form?

[NYCrusader]

Yeah, how are we supposed to win the Spring Training Championship without this guy showing up to camp in mid-season form?

Hyperbole.

I'm willing to have a logical discussion not one based on hyperbole and exaggerated rhetoric.

[kan_t]

NYCrusader is on a roll.

[Mr Coffee]

Hyperbole.

I'm willing to have a logical discussion not one based on hyperbole and exaggerated rhetoric.

A discussion would require you read what others have already written.

All the answers are there.

[awy]

oh god

[NYCrusader]

A discussion would require you read what others have already written.

All the answers are there.

I got nothing.

[NelsonMuntz]

His slider is flat out nasty and his command seems relatively sharp for this time of year. I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't mind seeing the velocity up a few ticks but I'll worry about that if he's still sitting at 91 at the end of ST.

[snapple]

his slider has been a treat to watch. If he can locate, I'm not worried about velocity.

[YankeePride1967]

His slider is flat out nasty and his command seems relatively sharp for this time of year. I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't mind seeing the velocity up a few ticks but I'll worry about that if he's still sitting at 91 at the end of ST.

This sums it up for me.

[awy]

in all seriousness, while he may do well in short spurts with the slider and a declined velo fastball, given the yankees commitment to him it is very bad for him to experience a drastic decline in velo. it not only portends future performance decline, but also shows sign of injury.

[snapple]

Or that he's still building arm strength which is evident in the increased velocity over each of his starts

[awy]

i'm not saying he is or is not as a matter of factual declaration. i am drawing out consequences of possible events if they were the case.

[Jerkface]

He threw winter ball last year.

Pineda did not pitch in Winter Ball.

“I’ll go to the Dominican and stay with my family … I’ll be working to get ready for next season, resting my arm. I’ve never thrown winter ball. Never. I want to pitch in my city in the Dominican, but maybe later. I threw a lot of innings this year.”

This year, I’m a little stronger than last season,” said Pineda, who went 8-1 with a 2.22 earned-run average last year at Double-A West Tennessee and 3-3, 4.76 at Triple-A Tacoma. “I didn’t pitch winter ball this offseason. I worked very hard to be ready.”

Michael Pineda, never throwing winter ball, was in the mid 90s in spring last year. Now he is averaging 91. Holding back? Ok, but why not start loosing it up?