2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

[YankeePride1967]

Might as well get it started!

[kan_t]

Keep in mind that he's not a finished product. Right now he's more like a No. 3 starter with ace upside. It would be interesting to see how well the Yankees develop him.

[awy]

dude could try the cutter.

[SatchelPaigeYankee]

Keep in mind that he's not a finished product. Right now he's more like a No. 3 starter with ace upside. It would be interesting to see how well the Yankees develop him.

in what world is a 3.36 SIERA equivalent to #3 starter? I expect him to be a #2 immediately, with Nova/Kuroda/Garcia (not necessarily in that order) being 3-5 in potential.

[TheInfallibleOne]

Keep in mind that he's not a finished product. Right now he's more like a No. 3 starter with ace upside. It would be interesting to see how well the Yankees develop him.

Simple. We take him and put him in the pen as soon as or long man gets a headache or a setup guy doesn't pan out, and then back to the rotation when we run out of Sidney Ponson types to start games.

We do that for a few years, then bury him in the pen and trade our biggest hitting prospect in a generation to start this all over again.

And along the way we'll blame the pitching coaches and design crazy rules to "protect the kid's arm", which won't stand a chance, of course.

[d32123]

I can't wait to see this guy in pinstripes. His K/9 will become godly once Rothschild has a chance to work with him.

[b_joseph]

Keep in mind that he's not a finished product. Right now he's more like a No. 3 starter with ace upside. It would be interesting to see how well the Yankees develop him.

1-2-3-4-5...It doesnt matter. Just having him take the ball every 5 days is going to be an evemt..must see events.

I usually worry about nervous 1st years when players join us. But when you see how he pitched as a 22 year old rookie, that might not be a concern.

[False1]

in what world is a 3.36 SIERA equivalent to #3 starter? I expect him to be a #2 immediately, with Nova/Kuroda/Garcia (not necessarily in that order) being 3-5 in potential.

I'm trying not to get too giddy, but I don't think it's completely out of the realm of possibility that he becomes the #1 by '13 and possibly even this season.

[ArodEra]

I can't wait to see this guy in pinstripes. His K/9 will become godly once Rothschild has a chance to work with him.

Say what

[awy]

I'm trying not to get too giddy, but I don't think it's completely out of the realm of possibility that he becomes the #1 by '13 and possibly even this season.

that'd involve a pretty steep decline from cc, not sure if that's a good thing

[kan_t]

in what world is a 3.36 SIERA equivalent to #3 starter? I expect him to be a #2 immediately, with Nova/Kuroda/Garcia (not necessarily in that order) being 3-5 in potential.

1) I normally lower my expectation for young unproven pitcher (1 season is still considered unproven by my own standard).

2) Tougher division.

[False1]

that'd involve a pretty steep decline from cc, not sure if that's a good thing

Or a nice improvement from Pineda. Which I don't think is unrealistic. Again, wasn't saying it was probable but it wouldn't shock me if CC is still a top of the rotation guy and Pineda gets on par with that or better.

[awy]

there are a number of obvious factors in play that drag down his expected production

1. he is a two pitch guy right now. he'll dominate the teams that can't hit his fastball but that won't work against the red sox etc for too long. expect a number of games in which he gets hit hard in the al east.

2. he pitches up in the zone with a high flyball ratio. moving away from safeco is a concern, and you can't use a sss home/away to dispel the fundamentals here.
this approach though could change and i expect some rough patches leading to adjustments once he is in YS.

3. he is not as dominant against lefties, and left handed power plays well in YS.
this would suggest that he needs to get a pitch that owns lefties. i suggest the cutter and i hope mo suggests the cutter as well.

4. he has a slider heavy approach. that's cool because his slider is a killer pitch, but it also carries high mechanical wear and tear. it's a risk that may not translate into a performance hit, but it does present injury concerns.

he is still raw and his current approach cannot be counted on to replicate his success from last year. on the other hand, i have higher hopes for his ability to adjust after some struggles, and ultimately he is a beast with a high high potential once he does enhance his arsenal.

[awy]

Or a nice improvement from Pineda. Which I don't think is unrealistic. Again, wasn't saying it was probable but it wouldn't shock me if CC is still a top of the rotation guy and Pineda gets on par with that or better.

that's giving cc too little credit though i think. cc is a beast, at least on par with verlander last season.

[snapple]

awy,

I don't think you've suggested the cutter enough. Honestly, I think he needs an off speed. Changeups aren't as rough on the arm as more fastballs.

[awy]

yea but he already has a changeup he just doesn't use it as often. and it's a bit boring which lowers his sexiness quite a bit.

[snapple]

yea but he already has a changeup he just doesn't use it as often. and it's a bit boring which lowers his sexiness quite a bit.

Well, that is flawless logic. I'd like to see a splitter and a knuckleball.

[awy]

slider cutter fastball is a pretty rare combo, would be cool to have rafael soriano impart some wisdom...


on second thought maybe not!

[The Comic Book Guy]

What kind of slider does he throw, btw? Does it break down and away, or just straight down?

[Blazer]

What kind of slider does he throw, btw? Does it break down and away, or just straight down?

Two planer, down and away.

[bmxstreetrider86]

What kind of slider does he throw, btw? Does it break down and away, or just straight down?

here you go

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?co...y_14484101&v=3

[awy]

http://pitchfx.texasleaguers.com/pit...o=5%2F9%2F2011

[TheGameEpisode2]

here you go

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?co...y_14484101&v=3

That's some sexy pitching right there. Against a pretty good offense, too.

I'm a fan of his control. While it's not outstanding, it's pretty good for a young pitcher. Usually young guys struggle.

[awy]

actually i saw this heatmap of pineda swinging k's or something and they were bunched up on the up and away corner of the zone. i'd say his command is among the strongest parts of his game.

[BronxYanks45]

one thing to keep in mind is he is probably gonna break ST as the number 4 starter heck maybe even the 5th starter