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  1. #951
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    Re: 2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

    it made me laugh.

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    Re: 2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

    So far no improvement on his velocity ... sitting at 91

  3. #953

    Re: 2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Battingly View Post
    So far no improvement on his velocity ... sitting at 91
    This is what he is. Dude is throwing as hard as he can. What a joke. This only happens to us.

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    Re: 2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

    Don't know what his velocity is, but this is the most I've seen of him this spring. I have avoided watching him thus far. I'll give my opinion at the end of the game. Fastball looked weak in the 1st.

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    Re: 2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

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    Why would you bump that up after the issue is over & done with?

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    Re: 2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by justtxyank View Post
    Don't know what his velocity is, but this is the most I've seen of him this spring. I have avoided watching him thus far. I'll give my opinion at the end of the game. Fastball looked weak in the 1st.
    Stuff looked lousy in general in the first. Hopefully, as seems to be the case with this guy, he sharpens up as his outting progresses.

  7. #957

    Re: 2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by bmxstreetrider86 View Post
    lets ask this, how do you justify sending down pineda instead of nova in any way other than service time manipulation?
    Other posters already touched on it but they can say Pineda showed up out of shape and he's not showing the same stuff as last season. They can say they want Pineda to work on different pitches. They can say the want Pineda to work on his mechanics. All of these are valid reasons that you'd have a very hard time proving otherwise.

    I'd love to see the player's union try to prove that the New York Yankees are making roster decisions because they are trying to save money 5-6 years down the road.

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    Re: 2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by THEBOSS84 View Post
    Sure there is a reason to believe the minors will help him find it. He came to camp 10-20 pounds overweight and they want him to continue to work himself back into shape.

    Wasn't the argument on this forum that he was hitting 98 last spring because he played winter ball?
    Which I'm sure you are aware of came out to be completely untrue.

    He's in fact never pitched in winter ball.

  9. #959

    Re: 2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

    Like this guys tempo on the mound. I hope it stays like this during the regular season. Seems to really work fast. Will be nice to get some Yankee games that move at a good pace.

  10. #960

    Re: 2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

    Cone's making a VERY solid point on YES about his mechanics and his fastball cutting.

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    Re: 2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

    Arguing over a grievance is silly. He'd never win. Teams pick players out of spring for all sorts of reasons and it often doesn't have anything to do with who performed better during ST.

    Arbiter: Please explain why this young man didn't break camp for you?
    Cashman: Well quite frankly we weren't as comfortable with him as we were with the other guys. We really liked what we saw out of Kuroda in Spring. He was throwing the ball really well. CC obviously is CC. Nova and Garcia threw the ball really well for us last year and we really like their presence on the team. Hughes really put it together this spring and we feel that earned that last spot.
    Arbiter: OK thanks. Session over, grievance denied.

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    Re: 2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by NYCrusader View Post
    Which I'm sure you are aware of came out to be completely untrue.

    He's in fact never pitched in winter ball.
    but he was throwing 98 this time last year
    Baseball is life;
    the rest is just details.

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    Re: 2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Tripper View Post
    but he was throwing 98 this time last year
    Precisely.

    Some people were making the argument that he was trowing harder this time last year because he pitched in winter ball last year which was untrue.

    Specifically after the Keith Law tweet that was confirmed by other scouts on Pineda's velocity this time last year.


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    Re: 2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by justtxyank View Post
    Arguing over a grievance is silly. He'd never win. Teams pick players out of spring for all sorts of reasons and it often doesn't have anything to do with who performed better during ST.

    Arbiter: Please explain why this young man didn't break camp for you?
    Cashman: Well quite frankly we weren't as comfortable with him as we were with the other guys. We really liked what we saw out of Kuroda in Spring. He was throwing the ball really well. CC obviously is CC. Nova and Garcia threw the ball really well for us last year and we really like their presence on the team. Hughes really put it together this spring and we feel that earned that last spot.
    Arbiter: OK thanks. Session over, grievance denied.
    Ya. Exactly.

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    Re: 2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

    The 2-strike approach seems to need some work. Fastballs right down the middle get the gas face. Pretty clear Russel called for heat in the Ruiz and Pierre AB's, but Pineda's gotta get those off the plate.

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    Re: 2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

    Pineda pitched the same or better in the second half of the season. His velocity was down a bit, but it seemed to be by design as he still hit the upper 90s his second and third time through the lineup.

    pitcher fb% gb% ld% bb/bf k/bf babip hr/fb fip xfip
    A 49.1% 31.4% 19.5% 7.9% 24.7% .249 5.9% 3.01 3.98
    B 37.8% 44.2% 18.0% 7.9% 25.1% .296 15.4% 4.01 3.42
    those are his first and second half splits.
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    Re: 2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

    This thread may potentially get worse within the coming days. Stay tuned!

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    Re: 2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by StaleMilk View Post
    Cone's making a VERY solid point on YES about his mechanics and his fastball cutting.
    agreed. it's always great to hear his and Leiter's pitching analysis.

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    Re: 2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by spikeowenfan View Post
    agreed. it's always great to hear his and Leiter's pitching analysis.
    what did he say

  20. #970

    Re: 2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

    Looks like sh*t out there.

  21. #971

    Re: 2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

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    Scout in stands thinks Pineda may be costing himself velocity because of his mechanics. Arm slot is off, he says.
    .....

  22. #972

    Re: 2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

    His control seemingly disappeared this inning.

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    Re: 2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by StaleMilk View Post
    .....
    Nah, no shot the Yanks can justify sending this guy to the minors without his agent filing a grievance.

  24. #974

    Re: 2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

    He's seriously sitting 89-90 with his FB.

  25. #975

    Re: 2012 Michael Pineda Performance Thread

    Cone said that he was "getting around" on the fastball instead of staying over the top of it. It creates more horizontal movement, but it can stay flat. It also takes away some velocity. He said it could be a grip issue or his arm angle is different.

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