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06-28-11 10:15 AM #1
Scoring change proposal #2 - changing pitcher bonus for Ks
The proposal is that we reduce the award for strike outs (for pitchers) from a full point to 0.5. This is in an effort to reduce (not eliminate) the disparity between pitching scoring and offense scoring.
If you are looking for data, Eric was kind enough to take the time and put it together in this thread beginning with this post.
http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread...=1#post7254109
Eric, if you'd like to repost what you have in here that would probably be helpful.In Cashman I trust.
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06-28-11 12:52 PM #2
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Re: Scoring change proposal #2 - changing pitcher bonus for Ks
Voted No. I'd rather reduce the disparity by awarding hitters more, than taxing dominating pitchers. I really hope this does not go through.
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06-28-11 12:55 PM #3
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06-28-11 01:04 PM #4
Re: Scoring change proposal #2 - changing pitcher bonus for Ks
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06-28-11 01:19 PM #5
Re: Scoring change proposal #2 - changing pitcher bonus for Ks
As far as "dominating" pitchers...who had the better season:
Roger Clemens: 10-13, 3.63 ERA, 257 K
Rick Sutcliffe: 20-9, 3.64 ERA, 213 K
John Burkett: 22-7, 3.65, 145 K
Clemens' 44 extra strikeouts are equal to nearly 9 wins of Sutcliffe! (Who won the NLCYA in his 20-9 season)
Clemens' 112 extra strikeout are equal to ALL 22 of Burkett's wins!
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EDIT: i computed their points scored, per our current scoring system:
Roger Clemens: 10-13, 3.63 ERA, 257 K (637 points)
Rick Sutcliffe: 20-9, 3.64 ERA, 213 K (680 points)
John Burkett: 22-7, 3.65, 145 K (615 points)
In looking at our scoring system, Sutcliffe, with 10 more wins, outscored Clemens by just 43 points (Or 4.3 points per win, and a win is worth 5 points!)
Clemens actually outscored Burkett, even though Burkett had 12 more wins!
BUT...if we make K's a half a point, the totals are:
Clemens, 508.5 points
Sutcliffe, 573.5 points
Burkett, 542.5 points
Personally, I think Burkett, with his 22 wins, should earn more points than Clemens, with his 10 wins. And dropping K's to half a point, while balancing out hitting with pitching, would also balance out this example, too.Last edited by Big_E; 06-28-11 at 02:26 PM. Reason: added points per our current scoring system
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06-28-11 02:16 PM #6
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06-29-11 10:20 AM #7
Re: Scoring change proposal #2 - changing pitcher bonus for Ks
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06-29-11 10:53 AM #8
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06-29-11 10:56 AM #9
Re: Scoring change proposal #2 - changing pitcher bonus for Ks
awesome.
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06-30-11 03:20 PM #10
Re: Scoring change proposal #2 - changing pitcher bonus for Ks
Without data on how it would impact the league's scoring (vs. other proposals and ideas), and without information on what else would/wouldn't be changed, I don't feel I can vote either way on this in good conscience. It seems this is trying to be rammed through without having all the data, and if that's what people want, that's fine I suppose, but I'm not going to be voting either way in that case.
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06-30-11 03:25 PM #11
Re: Scoring change proposal #2 - changing pitcher bonus for Ks
I linked everyone to the data that Eric posted in the scoring change ideas thread right in the first post. It's based on 2010 stats and I think it's pretty clear.
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06-30-11 03:40 PM #12
Re: Scoring change proposal #2 - changing pitcher bonus for Ks
As I alluded to in that thread (and in my previous post), it also didn't cover the other proposals (eliminating batter K penalties and leaving pitchers at 1, for instance, among others). It seems like this is the course that it's been decided we're voting on, though. Don't worry, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it; I just wish the scoring change discussion had been handled more thoroughly than this. All we know from E's data is that taking away points from pitchers makes batters more valuable, which is obvious. You'd probably get similar results if you reduced wins to 2 points or outs to half a point or did a whole host of other things. It doesn't tell us what kind of pitchers are going to be the top scorers, etc. For instance, in E's example above, I think that Clemens had the best individual season based solely on those numbers (W-L, ERA, Ks), but he'd lose a ton of value based on this. This is really the only option we've been given for whatever reason, and I think people are voting yes more based on the abstract concept of balancing pitchers and hitters than the specifics of how best to do so.
I'm probably not going to be back again next season anyway, so it probably won't impact me, but as a member for so many years, I care about what happens to this league in the future. I just think that a lot of ideas were thrown out there and one has been promoted to the top for some reason without an investigation of the impact of that idea (or any of the other ideas.) To be clear, I'm not saying that this certainly isn't the best solution, just that I think we have no clue at this point and we're just voting for the sake of voting because the poll has been started.
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06-30-11 04:15 PM #13
Re: Scoring change proposal #2 - changing pitcher bonus for Ks
THE DATA:
Roger Clemens: 10-13, 3.63 ERA, 257 K (637 points)
Rick Sutcliffe: 20-9, 3.64 ERA, 213 K (680 points)
John Burkett: 22-7, 3.65, 145 K (615 points)
So you think that K's are so valuable that Clemens had the best season, even though he won half as many games as Rick Sutcliffe (NL CYA winner that year) and John Burkett?
No offense, but this dumbfounds me.
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06-30-11 04:48 PM #14
Re: Scoring change proposal #2 - changing pitcher bonus for Ks
Without looking at any other numbers, yes. I think wins are a silly way to evaluate how well a pitcher pitched individually. If that was the only information I had, and I was starting that season again (or the next season), Clemens would easily be the first guy I'd pick from that list, and that's true even without the name recognition.
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06-30-11 06:41 PM #15
Re: Scoring change proposal #2 - changing pitcher bonus for Ks
I think K's are an even more ridiculous way to assess a pitcher, because K's are almost always meaningless as compared with other outs. At least a win means the team won.
May 29, 2011: CC Sabathia pitches 8.0 innings, allows 1 ER, 5 H, 3 BB, 5 Ks (8 total base runners). Yanks win
June 25, 2011: CC Sabathia pitches 8.0 innings, allows 1 ER, 7 H, 1 BB, 9 Ks (8 total base runners). Yanks win.
Was the June game a "better" game for CC because he had more strike outs?
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06-30-11 03:28 PM #16
Re: Scoring change proposal #2 - changing pitcher bonus for Ks
I am also willing to analyze any of today's games to again show that strikeouts, at best, are only 1.25x more important than a fly out or ground out, not 2x as important.
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06-30-11 11:49 PM #17
Re: Scoring change proposal #2 - changing pitcher bonus for Ks
Perhaps we value Ks too highly. Perhaps we value batter Ks too highly. Perhaps we value wins too highly. Perhaps we value outs too highly. Perhaps we value QS too highly. Perhaps we don't value various hitting statistics enough. The issue is that we're not really looking into any of this and a taking a detailed look at what impact various ideas would have on the league (except for the Ks a little bit). I think you keep trying to change the argument.
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07-01-11 04:02 AM #18
Re: Scoring change proposal #2 - changing pitcher bonus for Ks
Current scheme; top 100 starting pitchers:
Average score: 265
Max score: 513 (Verlander)
Min score: 183 (Beachy)
Code:Player FPTS Verlander, Justin SP DET 513 Shields, James SP TB 475 Weaver, Jered SP ANA 451 Halladay, Roy SP PHI 448 Lee, Cliff SP PHI 433 Kershaw, Clayton SP LA 408 Hamels, Cole SP PHI 399 Haren, Dan SP ANA 369 Hernandez, Felix SP SEA 358 Sabathia, CC SP NYY 353 Romero, Ricky SP TOR 348 Price, David SP TB 340 Lincecum, Tim SP SF 338 Cain, Matt SP SF 333 Kennedy, Ian SP ARI 333 Sanchez, Anibal SP FLA 329 Pineda, Michael SP SEA 325 Hudson, Daniel SP ARI 324 Beckett, Josh SP BOS 321 Wilson, C.J. SP TEX 318 Lester, Jon SP BOS 316 Chacin, Jhoulys SP COL 315 Lohse, Kyle SP STL 304 Gonzalez, Gio SP OAK 302 Hanson, Tommy SP ATL 302 Jurrjens, Jair SP ATL 301 Zimmermann, Jordan SP WAS 301 Marcum, Shaun SP MIL 296 Baker, Scott SP MIN 292 Garcia, Jaime SP STL 292 Stauffer, Tim RP SD 282 Tomlin, Josh SP CLE 274 Ogando, Alexi RP TEX 273 Cahill, Trevor SP OAK 272 Humber, Philip RP CHW 271 Gallardo, Yovani SP MIL 267 Masterson, Justin SP CLE 266 Norris, Bud SP HOU 264 Hellickson, Jeremy RP TB 263 Hudson, Tim SP ATL 259 Maholm, Paul SP PIT 257 Bedard, Erik SP SEA 256 Lewis, Colby SP TEX 255 Fister, Doug SP SEA 253 Wolf, Randy SP MIL 253 Vargas, Jason SP SEA 252 Carpenter, Chris SP STL 251 Nolasco, Ricky SP FLA 251 Vogelsong, Ryan RP SF 250 Kuroda, Hiroki SP LA 248 Correia, Kevin SP PIT 247 Carrasco, Carlos SP CLE 246 Karstens, Jeff SP PIT 246 Rodriguez, Wandy SP HOU 245 Santana, Ervin SP ANA 244 Burnett, A.J. SP NYY 240 Colon, Bartolo SP NYY 238 Hernandez, Livan SP WAS 238 Buehrle, Mark SP CHW 234 Niese, Jonathon SP NYM 234 Britton, Zach SP BAL 232 Cueto, Johnny SP CIN 232 Marquis, Jason SP WAS 230 Scherzer, Max SP DET 230 Arrieta, Jake SP BAL 228 Bumgarner, Madison SP SF 225 Harrison, Matt RP TEX 225 Billingsley, Chad SP LA 222 Floyd, Gavin SP CHW 222 Zambrano, Carlos SP CHC 222 Dickey, R.A. SP NYM 220 Garcia, Freddy SP NYY 219 Guthrie, Jeremy SP BAL 217 Lowe, Derek SP ATL 217 Leake, Mike SP CIN 216 Capuano, Chris RP NYM 213 Dempster, Ryan SP CHC 212 Myers, Brett SP HOU 212 Blackburn, Nick SP MIN 208 Narveson, Chris SP MIL 208 Harang, Aaron SP SD 206 Sanchez, Jonathan SP SF 206 Garza, Matt SP CHC 203 Johnson, Josh SP FLA 202 Gee, Dillon SP NYM 200 Holland, Derek SP TEX 198 Saunders, Joe SP ARI 197 Jimenez, Ubaldo SP COL 196 Morton, Charlie SP PIT 195 Danks, John SP CHW 194 Pavano, Carl SP MIN 194 Buchholz, Clay SP BOS 193 Lannan, John SP WAS 192 Latos, Mat SP SD 190 Moseley, Dustin SP SD 190 Morrow, Brandon SP TOR 188 Hammel, Jason SP COL 185 Jackson, Edwin SP CHW 185 Arroyo, Bronson SP CIN 184
SaxmaniaLast edited by Saxmania; 07-01-11 at 05:12 AM.
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07-01-11 04:08 AM #19
Re: Scoring change proposal #2 - changing pitcher bonus for Ks
Option A: Ks reduced to 0.5
Average: 255 (-40 from current)
Max: 448 (-65 from current)
Min: 142.5 (-40.5 from current)
Code:Player FPTS Verlander, Justin SP DET 448 Shields, James SP TB 411.5 Weaver, Jered SP ANA 398 Halladay, Roy SP PHI 386.5 Lee, Cliff SP PHI 373.5 Kershaw, Clayton SP LA 344 Hamels, Cole SP PHI 344 Haren, Dan SP ANA 320 Sabathia, CC SP NYY 300 Romero, Ricky SP TOR 300 Hernandez, Felix SP SEA 296 Cain, Matt SP SF 285.5 Kennedy, Ian SP ARI 284.5 Price, David SP TB 282 Beckett, Josh SP BOS 281 Hudson, Daniel SP ARI 278 Lincecum, Tim SP SF 277 Sanchez, Anibal SP FLA 275.5 Pineda, Michael SP SEA 275.5 Lohse, Kyle SP STL 275 Jurrjens, Jair SP ATL 273.5 Chacin, Jhoulys SP COL 269 Wilson, C.J. SP TEX 268 Zimmermann, Jordan SP WAS 265.5 Lester, Jon SP BOS 263.5 Hanson, Tommy SP ATL 253.5 Gonzalez, Gio SP OAK 252.5 Marcum, Shaun SP MIL 250 Garcia, Jaime SP STL 246.5 Tomlin, Josh SP CLE 245 Baker, Scott SP MIN 241.5 Humber, Philip RP CHW 241.5 Ogando, Alexi RP TEX 240.5 Stauffer, Tim RP SD 238 Cahill, Trevor SP OAK 230.5 Hellickson, Jeremy RP TB 230 Masterson, Justin SP CLE 228.5 Maholm, Paul SP PIT 225 Hudson, Tim SP ATL 224 Correia, Kevin SP PIT 221.5 Gallardo, Yovani SP MIL 220 Vogelsong, Ryan RP SF 218.5 Karstens, Jeff SP PIT 218.5 Fister, Doug SP SEA 218 Vargas, Jason SP SEA 218 Carrasco, Carlos SP CLE 216 Wolf, Randy SP MIL 215 Norris, Bud SP HOU 214 Bedard, Erik SP SEA 213.5 Lewis, Colby SP TEX 213.5 Nolasco, Ricky SP FLA 211 Kuroda, Hiroki SP LA 209.5 Rodriguez, Wandy SP HOU 208.5 Cueto, Johnny SP CIN 208 Buehrle, Mark SP CHW 207.5 Carpenter, Chris SP STL 206 Hernandez, Livan SP WAS 204 Britton, Zach SP BAL 202.5 Colon, Bartolo SP NYY 202 Marquis, Jason SP WAS 200.5 Santana, Ervin SP ANA 198 Harrison, Matt RP TEX 198 Burnett, A.J. SP NYY 197.5 Niese, Jonathon SP NYM 194.5 Arrieta, Jake SP BAL 192.5 Garcia, Freddy SP NYY 191 Floyd, Gavin SP CHW 187.5 Leake, Mike SP CIN 187 Bumgarner, Madison SP SF 186.5 Zambrano, Carlos SP CHC 184.5 Dickey, R.A. SP NYM 184.5 Scherzer, Max SP DET 184 Guthrie, Jeremy SP BAL 184 Blackburn, Nick SP MIN 182 Lowe, Derek SP ATL 179 Harang, Aaron SP SD 178.5 Billingsley, Chad SP LA 177 Capuano, Chris RP NYM 174.5 Gee, Dillon SP NYM 174.5 Johnson, Josh SP FLA 174 Myers, Brett SP HOU 172.5 Pavano, Carl SP MIN 171.5 Morton, Charlie SP PIT 170 Moseley, Dustin SP SD 168.5 Saunders, Joe SP ARI 167 Narveson, Chris SP MIL 166.5 Lannan, John SP WAS 166 Dempster, Ryan SP CHC 163 Buchholz, Clay SP BOS 163 Danks, John SP CHW 161.5 Holland, Derek SP TEX 161 Sanchez, Jonathan SP SF 160 Hammel, Jason SP COL 159.5 Garza, Matt SP CHC 159 Jimenez, Ubaldo SP COL 157 Arroyo, Bronson SP CIN 154.5 Beachy, Brandon SP ATL 150 Latos, Mat SP SD 149 Jackson, Edwin SP CHW 144.5 Morrow, Brandon SP TOR 142.5
Saxmania
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07-01-11 04:57 AM #20
Re: Scoring change proposal #2 - changing pitcher bonus for Ks
Option B - W reduced to 3 (from 5)
Average: 252 (-15 from current)
Max: 491 (-22 from current)
Min: 173 (-10 from current)
Code:Player FPTS Verlander, Justin SP DET 491 Shields, James SP TB 459 Weaver, Jered SP ANA 433 Halladay, Roy SP PHI 428 Lee, Cliff SP PHI 415 Kershaw, Clayton SP LA 392 Hamels, Cole SP PHI 381 Haren, Dan SP ANA 353 Hernandez, Felix SP SEA 342 Romero, Ricky SP TOR 334 Sabathia, CC SP NYY 331 Lincecum, Tim SP SF 326 Price, David SP TB 324 Cain, Matt SP SF 319 Kennedy, Ian SP ARI 317 Sanchez, Anibal SP FLA 317 Pineda, Michael SP SEA 311 Beckett, Josh SP BOS 309 Hudson, Daniel SP ARI 306 Wilson, C.J. SP TEX 302 Chacin, Jhoulys SP COL 299 Lester, Jon SP BOS 296 Zimmermann, Jordan SP WAS 291 Lohse, Kyle SP STL 288 Gonzalez, Gio SP OAK 288 Hanson, Tommy SP ATL 284 Marcum, Shaun SP MIL 282 Jurrjens, Jair SP ATL 281 Baker, Scott SP MIN 280 Garcia, Jaime SP STL 278 Stauffer, Tim RP SD 274 Ogando, Alexi RP TEX 259 Humber, Philip RP CHW 257 Tomlin, Josh SP CLE 256 Cahill, Trevor SP OAK 256 Masterson, Justin SP CLE 256 Norris, Bud SP HOU 256 Gallardo, Yovani SP MIL 249 Hellickson, Jeremy RP TB 249 Maholm, Paul SP PIT 249 Bedard, Erik SP SEA 248 Hudson, Tim SP ATL 247 Fister, Doug SP SEA 247 Carpenter, Chris SP STL 245 Vargas, Jason SP SEA 242 Lewis, Colby SP TEX 241 Wolf, Randy SP MIL 241 Nolasco, Ricky SP FLA 241 Vogelsong, Ryan RP SF 238 Kuroda, Hiroki SP LA 238 Santana, Ervin SP ANA 238 Karstens, Jeff SP PIT 234 Rodriguez, Wandy SP HOU 233 Carrasco, Carlos SP CLE 230 Colon, Bartolo SP NYY 228 Hernandez, Livan SP WAS 228 Correia, Kevin SP PIT 227 Burnett, A.J. SP NYY 224 Buehrle, Mark SP CHW 222 Cueto, Johnny SP CIN 222 Niese, Jonathon SP NYM 220 Britton, Zach SP BAL 220 Bumgarner, Madison SP SF 217 Marquis, Jason SP WAS 216 Harrison, Matt RP TEX 213 Scherzer, Max SP DET 212 Dickey, R.A. SP NYM 212 Guthrie, Jeremy SP BAL 211 Arrieta, Jake SP BAL 210 Floyd, Gavin SP CHW 210 Zambrano, Carlos SP CHC 210 Lowe, Derek SP ATL 209 Billingsley, Chad SP LA 208 Myers, Brett SP HOU 206 Garcia, Freddy SP NYY 205 Leake, Mike SP CIN 202 Dempster, Ryan SP CHC 202 Capuano, Chris RP NYM 199 Narveson, Chris SP MIL 198 Sanchez, Jonathan SP SF 198 Blackburn, Nick SP MIN 196 Johnson, Josh SP FLA 196 Garza, Matt SP CHC 195 Harang, Aaron SP SD 192 Jimenez, Ubaldo SP COL 190 Saunders, Joe SP ARI 189 Danks, John SP CHW 188 Holland, Derek SP TEX 186 Moseley, Dustin SP SD 186 Gee, Dillon SP NYM 184 Pavano, Carl SP MIN 184 Lannan, John SP WAS 182 Morton, Charlie SP PIT 181 Buchholz, Clay SP BOS 181 Latos, Mat SP SD 180 Morrow, Brandon SP TOR 180 Hammel, Jason SP COL 177 Jackson, Edwin SP CHW 177 Beachy, Brandon SP ATL 177 Collmenter, Josh SP ARI 173
Saxmania
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07-01-11 05:07 AM #21
Re: Scoring change proposal #2 - changing pitcher bonus for Ks
Option C - Ks reduced to 0.5 AND W reduced to 3:
Average: 212.5 (-52.5 from current)
Max: 426 (-87 from current)
Min: 139 (-44 from current)
Code:Player FPTS Verlander, Justin SP DET 426 Shields, James SP TB 395.5 Weaver, Jered SP ANA 380 Halladay, Roy SP PHI 366.5 Lee, Cliff SP PHI 355.5 Kershaw, Clayton SP LA 328 Hamels, Cole SP PHI 326 Haren, Dan SP ANA 304 Romero, Ricky SP TOR 286 Hernandez, Felix SP SEA 280 Sabathia, CC SP NYY 278 Cain, Matt SP SF 271.5 Beckett, Josh SP BOS 269 Kennedy, Ian SP ARI 268.5 Price, David SP TB 266 Lincecum, Tim SP SF 265 Sanchez, Anibal SP FLA 263.5 Pineda, Michael SP SEA 261.5 Hudson, Daniel SP ARI 260 Lohse, Kyle SP STL 259 Zimmermann, Jordan SP WAS 255.5 Jurrjens, Jair SP ATL 253.5 Chacin, Jhoulys SP COL 253 Wilson, C.J. SP TEX 252 Lester, Jon SP BOS 243.5 Gonzalez, Gio SP OAK 238.5 Marcum, Shaun SP MIL 236 Hanson, Tommy SP ATL 235.5 Garcia, Jaime SP STL 232.5 Stauffer, Tim RP SD 230 Baker, Scott SP MIN 229.5 Humber, Philip RP CHW 227.5 Tomlin, Josh SP CLE 227 Ogando, Alexi RP TEX 226.5 Masterson, Justin SP CLE 218.5 Maholm, Paul SP PIT 217 Hellickson, Jeremy RP TB 216 Cahill, Trevor SP OAK 214.5 Hudson, Tim SP ATL 212 Fister, Doug SP SEA 212 Vargas, Jason SP SEA 208 Vogelsong, Ryan RP SF 206.5 Karstens, Jeff SP PIT 206.5 Norris, Bud SP HOU 206 Bedard, Erik SP SEA 205.5 Wolf, Randy SP MIL 203 Gallardo, Yovani SP MIL 202 Correia, Kevin SP PIT 201.5 Nolasco, Ricky SP FLA 201 Carpenter, Chris SP STL 200 Carrasco, Carlos SP CLE 200 Lewis, Colby SP TEX 199.5 Kuroda, Hiroki SP LA 199.5 Cueto, Johnny SP CIN 198 Rodriguez, Wandy SP HOU 196.5 Buehrle, Mark SP CHW 195.5 Hernandez, Livan SP WAS 194 Santana, Ervin SP ANA 192 Colon, Bartolo SP NYY 192 Britton, Zach SP BAL 190.5 Marquis, Jason SP WAS 186.5 Harrison, Matt RP TEX 186 Burnett, A.J. SP NYY 181.5 Niese, Jonathon SP NYM 180.5 Bumgarner, Madison SP SF 178.5 Guthrie, Jeremy SP BAL 178 Garcia, Freddy SP NYY 177 Dickey, R.A. SP NYM 176.5 Floyd, Gavin SP CHW 175.5 Arrieta, Jake SP BAL 174.5 Leake, Mike SP CIN 173 Zambrano, Carlos SP CHC 172.5 Lowe, Derek SP ATL 171 Blackburn, Nick SP MIN 170 Johnson, Josh SP FLA 168 Myers, Brett SP HOU 166.5 Scherzer, Max SP DET 166 Harang, Aaron SP SD 164.5 Moseley, Dustin SP SD 164.5 Billingsley, Chad SP LA 163 Pavano, Carl SP MIN 161.5 Capuano, Chris RP NYM 160.5 Saunders, Joe SP ARI 159 Gee, Dillon SP NYM 158.5 Narveson, Chris SP MIL 156.5 Morton, Charlie SP PIT 156 Lannan, John SP WAS 156 Danks, John SP CHW 155.5 Dempster, Ryan SP CHC 153 Sanchez, Jonathan SP SF 152 Hammel, Jason SP COL 151.5 Collmenter, Josh SP ARI 151.5 Garza, Matt SP CHC 151 Jimenez, Ubaldo SP COL 151 Buchholz, Clay SP BOS 151 Holland, Derek SP TEX 149 Beachy, Brandon SP ATL 144 Anderson, Brett SP OAK 141.5 Arroyo, Bronson SP CIN 140.5 Latos, Mat SP SD 139
Saxmania
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07-01-11 05:18 AM #22
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07-01-11 07:42 AM #23
Re: Scoring change proposal #2 - changing pitcher bonus for Ks
What I meant was that you're changing my argument, or just not getting what I'm saying. Sax seems to have understood, though. I really appreciate that work, Sax. Of those options, I think I do like the Ks to .5 best, though I'm still curious as to what would happen to batters by eliminating the offensive K penalty and leaving Ks at 1 or eliminating the offensive K penalty AND switching Ks to .5. I'm interested in balance here, but I'm also interested in the scoring change that makes the most sense baseball stats-wise. I don't think E is necessarily wrong about Ks being overvalued at 1, but I also think (at this point, as I think I was the one who originally implemented it many moons ago) that batter Ks are inappropriately penalized.
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07-01-11 03:57 AM #24
Re: Scoring change proposal #2 - changing pitcher bonus for Ks
I ran some options in Excel:
Option A - reduce Ks to 0.5
Option B - reduce Ws to 3
Option C - Option A + B
The results below for the top 100 starters. If people desperately want more choices, or want to know the relief impact, let me know and I'll try to run them.
I also toyed with the idea of limiting QS to 3, but I don't believe in it - I really like the QS scoring category, and I think it rewards pretty much what we want to reward.
Be seeing you,
SaxmaniaLast edited by Saxmania; 07-01-11 at 05:08 AM.
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07-01-11 08:29 AM #25
Re: Scoring change proposal #2 - changing pitcher bonus for Ks
I was also in the camp of awarding batters more rather than penalizing pitchers. Or at least lowering their rewards. Eric's argument holds a lot of validity in my mind, even though I know in all formats of FBB a strikeout is counted whether it's more important as an out or not. However in our league, with the way we keep score, it's more about effectiveness than it is about individual stats. (which is why I think the CG, PG, and SO bonuses in most leagues are stupid).
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