The Red Sox Thread

[JL25and3]

Suggestion on another forum that there may be a linkage to this from 2009:

Boston Globe: Sox fired two in steroids case

Be seeing you,

Saxmania

But Brian Sabean still has a job.

[Chacon]

With the outings of Ortiz and Manny, the Merloni comments, the ignored story of Paxton Crawford's needles spilling in the clubhouse, Manny Alexander and now this, Tom Werner's old "we did it clean" comments on EEI go even further from reality.

Yeah, PEDs were everywhere, but it feels like the steroid current ran through the entire organization, from clubhouse worker to executive.

I may move them up the list on the most roidy-roid teams of roid era, but I'd have to check my notes.

This just makes the moral highground most of RSN was on up until roughly 2009 even more ridiculous. They were just as complicit in the era (which still is going on) as the other 29 clubs were.

[NerfBall55]

This just makes the moral highground most of RSN was on up until roughly 2009 even more ridiculous. They were just as complicit in the era (which still is going on) as the other 29 clubs were.

Yup, maybe even more complicit.

[Jax Teller]

Jon Morosi ‏@jonmorosi MLB says of ’08 Schilling incident that league “thoroughly investigated the allegations and considers the matter closed.”

[4bronxbombers]

As damning as Schilling's accusation is, you'd think there'd be more discussion about it on TV/radio. I didn't even hear it mentioned on ESPN - just a crawl on the bottom of the screen. However, I only have time to watch it briefly in the morning (maybe it's because he works for them). If this was A-Rod claiming that Cashman strongly suggested he used steroids, you wouldn't hear anything else BUT this story and it'd be BREAKING NEWS on the ESPN crawl.

Those of you who get the baseball network......what are they saying?

Fried chicken, beer and steroids.......what a freakin' circus.

I listen to the FAN and they talked about it a lot.

[NerfBall55]

Jon Morosi ‏@jonmorosi MLB says of ’08 Schilling incident that league “thoroughly investigated the allegations and considers the matter closed.”

Expanded: "True", but closed.

[Jax Teller]

Ben Badler ‏@BenBadler RT @PeteAbe Bryce Brentz shot himself in the leg while cleaning a handgun a few weeks ago. Not on ST roster as a result.

[Eldee5]

As damning as Schilling's accusation is, you'd think there'd be more discussion about it on TV/radio. I didn't even hear it mentioned on ESPN - just a crawl on the bottom of the screen. However, I only have time to watch it briefly in the morning (maybe it's because he works for them). If this was A-Rod claiming that Cashman strongly suggested he used steroids, you wouldn't hear anything else BUT this story and it'd be BREAKING NEWS on the ESPN crawl.

Those of you who get the baseball network......what are they saying?

Fried chicken, beer and steroids.......what a freakin' circus.

The story actually broke on ESPN Radio because it was Colin Cowherd to whom Schilling was speaking when he broached the subject. Michael Kay had Schilling on his ESPN NY radio show Friday afternoon to discuss it further. But that's radio-side. I'm not an ESPN watcher so I don't know how much or how little coverage the story's been getting on ESPN TV.

[ieddyi]

"Jonathan Papelbon used Toradol

By Gordon Edes | ESPNBoston.com

FORT MYERS, Fla. -- Former Boston Red Sox closer Jonathan Papelbon, who was with the team from 2005-11, said Saturday that he and numerous other Red Sox players were regularly injected with Toradol, a legal anti-inflammatory drug whose use has become increasingly controversial in sports.

Toradol is the nonsteroidal drug that Red Sox pitcher Clay Buchholz acknowledged last season might have contributed to the esophagitis that sidelined him for 20 games. Buchholz was hospitalized in intensive care and lost three or four pints of blood while dealing with the condition, which is a known side effect of the painkiller.

Papelbon said that when he was administered a physical by the Philadelphia Phillies prior to signing as a free agent after the 2011 season, doctors asked him if he used Toradol. When he answered in the affirmative, he was told that he would have to stop.

“
[Toradol] made me feel better. You had to get it about 30 minutes before a game, and it made me feel pretty damn good. It only lasted about four hours maximum.
”
-- Jonathan Papelbon
"They told me, 'We don't do that here.' That kind of surprised me," Papelbon said Saturday, speaking by phone from Phillies camp in Clearwater, Fla. "I haven't had a single Toradol shot since."

Apparently it can cause bleeding problems. Remember Buchholz was hospitalized last year and lost a lot of blood?

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/89...boston-red-sox

[snapple]

Oh. My. God. HAHAHHA

[d32123]

I don't think drug abuse leading to someone almost bleeding to death is particularly funny, even if the victim is a Boston player.

[fredgmuggs]

"Jonathan Papelbon used Toradol

By Gordon Edes | ESPNBoston.com

FORT MYERS, Fla. -- Former Boston Red Sox closer Jonathan Papelbon, who was with the team from 2005-11, said Saturday that he and numerous other Red Sox players were regularly injected with Toradol, a legal anti-inflammatory drug whose use has become increasingly controversial in sports.

Toradol is the nonsteroidal drug that Red Sox pitcher Clay Buchholz acknowledged last season might have contributed to the esophagitis that sidelined him for 20 games. Buchholz was hospitalized in intensive care and lost three or four pints of blood while dealing with the condition, which is a known side effect of the painkiller.

Papelbon said that when he was administered a physical by the Philadelphia Phillies prior to signing as a free agent after the 2011 season, doctors asked him if he used Toradol. When he answered in the affirmative, he was told that he would have to stop.

“
[Toradol] made me feel better. You had to get it about 30 minutes before a game, and it made me feel pretty damn good. It only lasted about four hours maximum.
”
-- Jonathan Papelbon
"They told me, 'We don't do that here.' That kind of surprised me," Papelbon said Saturday, speaking by phone from Phillies camp in Clearwater, Fla. "I haven't had a single Toradol shot since."

Apparently it can cause bleeding problems. Remember Buchholz was hospitalized last year and lost a lot of blood?

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/89...boston-red-sox

My guess is every player in the NFL uses toradal

[effdamets]

My guess is every player in the NFL uses toradal

I think NFL players are using a lot more than toradal..... A lot more.

[False1]

I don't think drug abuse leading to someone almost bleeding to death is particularly funny, even if the victim is a Boston player.

Seriously, are you trolling? You think he was laughing that Buccholz was in a serious condition, or perhaps could you stretch to think maybe he was laughing that Papelbon came out and threw the Sox under the bus?

And with your recent history, you should be the last person questioning anyone else's sense of humor.

[snapple]

I don't think drug abuse leading to someone almost bleeding to death is particularly funny, even if the victim is a Boston player.

Not that part. The rest is. The Red Sox are ................ing dumb. I've never had an issue with Buccholz, just that his name is really close in sound to buttholes. What False said.

[ArodEra]

[d32123]

Seriously, are you trolling? You think he was laughing that Buccholz was in a serious condition, or perhaps could you stretch to think maybe he was laughing that Papelbon came out and threw the Sox under the bus?

And with your recent history, you should be the last person questioning anyone else's sense of humor.

Not trolling, just confused.

Not that part. The rest is. The Red Sox are ................ing dumb. I've never had an issue with Buccholz, just that his name is really close in sound to buttholes. What False said.

lol, buttholes

[35Knucklecurve]

"Jonathan Papelbon used Toradol

By Gordon Edes | ESPNBoston.com

FORT MYERS, Fla. -- Former Boston Red Sox closer Jonathan Papelbon, who was with the team from 2005-11, said Saturday that he and numerous other Red Sox players were regularly injected with Toradol, a legal anti-inflammatory drug whose use has become increasingly controversial in sports.

Toradol is the nonsteroidal drug that Red Sox pitcher Clay Buchholz acknowledged last season might have contributed to the esophagitis that sidelined him for 20 games. Buchholz was hospitalized in intensive care and lost three or four pints of blood while dealing with the condition, which is a known side effect of the painkiller.

Papelbon said that when he was administered a physical by the Philadelphia Phillies prior to signing as a free agent after the 2011 season, doctors asked him if he used Toradol. When he answered in the affirmative, he was told that he would have to stop.

“
[Toradol] made me feel better. You had to get it about 30 minutes before a game, and it made me feel pretty damn good. It only lasted about four hours maximum.
”
-- Jonathan Papelbon
"They told me, 'We don't do that here.' That kind of surprised me," Papelbon said Saturday, speaking by phone from Phillies camp in Clearwater, Fla. "I haven't had a single Toradol shot since."

Apparently it can cause bleeding problems. Remember Buchholz was hospitalized last year and lost a lot of blood?

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/89...boston-red-sox

The fact that it surprised him is interesting. Either the Phils are one of the few teams who do not allow Toradol to be used or they don't allow players to admit it. It's scary what pro athletes will do to keep themselves in the game/recover......using a drug that could potentially land me in the hospital for excessive internal bleeding for the chance to get on the field?

[4bronxbombers]

Wow, I can't believe Papelbon said that. That's pretty funny.

[NerfBall55]

The fact that it surprised him is interesting.

He spent his entire career in an organization where drugs were a big part of the culture, and had infiltrated every level from clubhouse guys, to players, to management. He knows no other way.

Wait and see how surprised he will be to learn that there aren't female TV reporters over there that are contractually obligated to be sleeping with the players.

[b-ball-lunachick]

He spent his entire career in an organization where drugs were a big part of the culture, and had infiltrated every level from clubhouse guys, to players, to management. He knows no other way.

Wait and see how surprised he will be to learn that there aren't female TV reporters over there that are contractually obligated to be sleeping with the players.

Lester has commented:

FORT MYERS, Fla. -- Boston Red Sox pitcher Jon Lester said that the team's medical staff and general manager Ben Cherington told the club's pitchers Monday that they are reviewing its policy regarding the use of Toradol, the legal anti-inflammatory drug that is widely used in baseball and other pro sports but is under increased scrutiny because of potentially harmful side effects.

Lester said he has taken Toradol "quite a bit" since first being introduced to the drug before a playoff start "a couple of years ago," but has experienced no adverse effects.

"It's good they're looking into it," Lester said. "As players, though, we just think it's a bigger Advil, a stronger Advil. But I think it's nice to know our organization cares about us long term and wants to nip this thing in the bud.

"If they ban it or outlaw it or say you can't take it anymore, it's not going to affect anybody. I think guys use it more for getting loose, and for comfort level, than masking pain."

He's not the sharpest knife in the drawer..if they really cared, they may not have given you this in high doses on a regular basis to "get loose" when people didn't really need it..as evidenced by Buchholz, it can be dangerous used that way..

http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/...toradol-policy

[Mr Coffee]

[ieddyi]

Sounds like Toradol deficiency syndrome to me

[ieddyi]

Lester has commented:



He's not the sharpest knife in the drawer..if they really cared, they may not have given you this in high doses on a regular basis to "get loose" when people didn't really need it..as evidenced by Buchholz, it can be dangerous used that way..

http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/...toradol-policy

"Buchholz's experience served as a red flag for him, though Farrell emphasized that no definite connection was drawn between the drug and Buchholz's condition."

Yeah, it's common for players to lose 4 pints of blood and end up in the hospital.... sheesh

I think I read that alcohol is a complicating issue with that drug

[1970cs]

I had no idea that Ortiz kept up with this thread

As I was walking back to the press box after the workout, David Ortiz stepped out of the team’s weight room bearing two Hummer-sized dumbbells. “Hey, Gordon,’’ he shouted. “These are my PEDs. Take that, [expletive].’’

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/red-sox/