The Red Sox Thread

[1970cs]

I hope not. The more Lucky is involved in the Sox decision making process the better it is for the Yanks.

Short of springing Lenny Dykstra from prison on work release, I can't imagine hiring anyone worse than Valentine.

[JDPNYY]

Short of springing Lenny Dykstra from prison on work release, I can't imagine hiring anyone worse than Valentine.

Ozzie Guillen

[RenoHightower]

Ozzie Guillen

Oh for the love of gay jesus, please let this happen.

[effdamets]

Thanks for the input, telling us that you don't know because you never heard such.

I live near him.... I know the people he grew up with.
I think I'd have heard of his fandom. Especially considering I've had numerous conversations with the guy.
But thanks anyway.

EDIT:
I apologize. You wouldn't know that I've spoken with Bobby V on several occasions. I was reacting to your accusation of my irrelevancy - which was uncalled for. If you claim he was a Yankee fan growing up, please provide a link.

[1970cs]

Ozzie Guillen

Come to think of it, the managerial honeymoon with the Boston media would be fairly short for John Rocker.

[VirginiaYank]

One of the Sox broadcasters was complimenting Bobby V for not going off on the Redsox on his firing. Jerry Remy had to remind him that Bobby V is still getting paid for another year so his quietness might be short-lived.

[TommyK8]

I predict that the Red Sox will hire John Farrell as manager. Perhaps they will send Chris Carpenter and a PTBNL to the Jays as compensation.

The rebuilding process can begin now. Bobby V. is not totally to blame. But he was the wrong guy from Day 1, just a bad fit.

Hopefully, the next manager will be named within days this time, not months like last year. Hopefully Lucchino will keep his beak out of it.

Step 1, a new manager. Step 2 (I hope) is to sign David Ortiz for two years. Those two things could be accomplished before the World Series starts if the Red Sox put their minds to it.

[NerfBall55]

Farrell will make no difference, at least not during next year's bridge year.

[effdamets]

Farrell will make no difference, at least not during next year's bridge year.

This is some kinda big bridge, no?
I mean it must span from here to like..... Neptune.

[Chacon]

Goodnight sweet prince

[awy]

This is some kinda big bridge, no?
I mean it must span from here to like..... Neptune.

[Yankees1962]

Farrell will make no difference, at least not during next year's bridge year.

There are some baseball experts that don't think much of him as a manager. They think he's a better pitching coach than manager.

[TommyK8]

I have no idea if the Red Sox will hotly pursue Farrell, but I won't judge him by two seasons in Toronto with the teams he's had there and the injuries as well. Terry Francona was unheralded with the Phillies and he did pretty well. I do know that Farrell has the respect of the Red Sox players, and that would be an immediate step in the right direction. He also knows the organization and the city. We'll see.

Anyway, there will be plenty of time to talk about next season after the playoffs. I can't say that I hope the Yankees win the World Series, but I will say congratulations for the accomplishments thus far, and if the Yankees keep winning, I will keep coming back after each series to say the same thing.

[4bronxbombers]

I've said the Ozzie thing a few times in this thread. It makes me laugh just to think how great it would be.

[4bronxbombers]

Not a bag gig for Bobby V. He gets paid next year since it was a 2 year contract.

[awy]

buried in all this is the idea that manager doesn't really matter. they can do a lot of harm sometimes though, but middling 'leadership' isn't too bad.

[ArodEra]

I live near him.... I know the people he grew up with.
I think I'd have heard of his fandom. Especially considering I've had numerous conversations with the guy.
But thanks anyway.

EDIT:
I apologize. You wouldn't know that I've spoken with Bobby V on several occasions. I was reacting to your accusation of my irrelevancy - which was uncalled for.

No problem.

If you claim he was a Yankee fan growing up, please provide a link.

I've heard him say he grew up a Yankees fan in many interviews, even when he was the Met's manager. His father was a huge, diehard Yankees fan as well.

Links:

Bobby Valentine did not mince words. Asked to offer his sentiments about the Yankees in a media meeting, Valentine -- who grew up as a Yankees fan in Stamford, Conn. -- was direct.

http://www.weei.com/sports/boston/th...i-hate-yankees

All eyes will be on Valentine when they do. The Connecticut native grew up a Yankees fan and sports a personality that’s more New York than Boston — brash, assertive, larger than life.

http://bostonherald.com/sports/baseb...r_1st_ny_clash

His dad:

...as a kid was a Yanks-Red Sox doubleheader at the Stadium when he sat in obstructed-view seats down the right-field line between his father, a Yankee fan...

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011...rivalry-fenway

[Eldee5]

I had to share this find:

An autograph-seeker, left, waits as Boston Red Sox baseball player Ivan De Jesus looks for a way into the players' clubhouse area at Fenway Park in Boston, Thursday, Oct. 4, 2012. The Red Sox wrapped up a disappointing season with a loss to the New York Yankees, to finish in last place for the first time in 20 years. (AP Photo/Elise Amendola)

[4bronxbombers]

I hope someone got a pic of BV falling off his bike in Central Park the other day.

[NerfBall55]

I have no idea if the Red Sox will hotly pursue Farrell, but I won't judge him by two seasons in Toronto with the teams he's had there and the injuries as well. Terry Francona was unheralded with the Phillies and he did pretty well. I do know that Farrell has the respect of the Red Sox players, and that would be an immediate step in the right direction. He also knows the organization and the city. We'll see.

I fully agree with you that the core of this team is a very self-entitled bunch, and having a familiar presence in the club house could help. But then again, there's been two managers who have lost this bunch of prima donnas. Other than that, I don't see the allure of Farrell as a manager. For example, Toronto's pitchers regressed under his tenure, and the team is worse than before he started there.

But, I don't think it will change anything until we see who is playing LF and 1B.

And RF

Oh, and SS.

And catcher and DH.

And if they can get a real #1.

Oh, and who will be their #4/5 pitcher.

And the bullpen. Can't forget the bullpen.

[sweet_lou_14]

This is the first I've heard of this incident. Thanks for posting it, Jeanne.

I agree, this was great to read and it was the first time I'd seen it.

One thing that keeps coming up with Bobby V -- over and over again -- is his constant blindness / deafness to the impact of his words and actions. The guy is just constantly shocked and surprised at the way he is interpreted, and he's always accusing others of misunderstanding him, exaggerating the importance or seriousness of something he said or did, or deliberately twisting his words. He seems to have no ability to step outside himself and ask how he would respond to all the crap he pulls.

Add in all the times he deliberately trolls people in interviews and other social interactions -- essentially forcing them to guess at whether he really meant what he said or was just exhibiting some amazingly clever sense of humor -- and it's hard to understand how anyone in the world can stand to be in a room with him for more than five minutes.

He's one of the biggest asses I've ever seen in the public square, in almost any context. You have to try to be this much of a douche.

[sweet_lou_14]

Step 2 (I hope) is to sign David Ortiz for two years.

Please, please tell me you'll make it four. I want to see his wheezing fat ass in that uniform until he's on life support.

I have no idea if the Red Sox will hotly pursue Farrell, but I won't judge him by two seasons in Toronto with the teams he's had there and the injuries as well.

I will.

When a team makes that many mistakes on the basepaths and in the field, you can lay the blame at the manager's feet. Especially down the stretch, when I got to see them a lot because their schedule against the Yankees was so unbalanced, Toronto was playing an extremely sloppy and stupid brand of baseball.

[JDPNYY]

Valentine was an idiot for taking that job because things were a disaster and it was a no win situation.

Fast forward a year, and things are worse.

Who will be the next idiot?

[enozlac]

Valentine was an idiot for taking that job because things were a disaster and it was a no win situation.

Fast forward a year, and things are worse.

Who will be the next idiot?

Jason Varitek, imo.

can't see those guys pulling this kind of crap on Tek.

[sweet_lou_14]

Valentine was an idiot for taking that job because things were a disaster and it was a no win situation.

Fast forward a year, and things are worse.

Who will be the next idiot?

I do agree, it's an incredibly toxic job assignment. I live up in Mass. and I would say the fans are ready to embrace someone who can come in here and make a solid effort, regardless of whether the results are slow in coming. But if I were looking at the job there's no way I could ever feel comfortable with Larry Lucchino and the rest of the backstabbers running that joke of an organization.