The Red Sox Thread

[Bleacher_Creature]

Red Sox, Marlins Discussing Crawford, Hanley, Bell

By Ben Nicholson-Smith [July 18 at 12:57pm CST]
The Red Sox and Marlins are discussing a trade that would sent Carl Crawford to Miami for Hanley Ramirez and Heath Bell, Bob Nightengale of USA Today. The Marlins approached the Red Sox about the possible blockbuster, Nightengale reports.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/0...nley-bell.html

[ieddyi]

Cashman's most important act as GM may have been insisting on ending the ending the division between Tampa and NY. Dysfunction in the FO ends up hurting a team on the field

I think the Tampa faction foisting Tony Womack ( but, but he's bats .300 ) on the team was a prime example

[ieddyi]

Red Sox, Marlins Discussing Crawford, Hanley, Bell

By Ben Nicholson-Smith [July 18 at 12:57pm CST]
The Red Sox and Marlins are discussing a trade that would sent Carl Crawford to Miami for Hanley Ramirez and Heath Bell, Bob Nightengale of USA Today. The Marlins approached the Red Sox about the possible blockbuster, Nightengale reports.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/0...nley-bell.html

The sawx have been good in the past of getting rid of dead wood ( Lugo, Reeeeenteria ) and picking up salary, but who would take on Crawford's contract w/ the sawx kicking in at least 1/2?

[Jax Teller]

Red Sox, Marlins Discussing Crawford, Hanley, Bell

By Ben Nicholson-Smith [July 18 at 12:57pm CST]
The Red Sox and Marlins are discussing a trade that would sent Carl Crawford to Miami for Hanley Ramirez and Heath Bell, Bob Nightengale of USA Today. The Marlins approached the Red Sox about the possible blockbuster, Nightengale reports.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/0...nley-bell.html

Cannot understand how the Marlins would benefit from this.

[Bleacher_Creature]

Cannot understand how the Marlins would benefit from this.

UPDATE

By Ben Nicholson-Smith [July 18 at 1:10pm CST]
1:10pm: There's no current discussion involving Crawford, Ramirez and Bell, ESPN.com's Buster Olney reports (on Twitter). The idea surfaced briefly as a concept and immediately died.

12:57pm: The Red Sox and Marlins are discussing a trade that would send Carl Crawford to Miami for Hanley Ramirez and Heath Bell, Bob Nightengale of USA Today reports. The Marlins approached the Red Sox about the possible blockbuster, Nightengale reports.
The biggest impediment to the deal is the Marlins' indecision about their course for the rest of the 2012 season. Miami VP Dan Jennings is in Boston scouting Crawford, according to Nightengale. The potential trade would be the second-biggest contract swap in history, trailing only the 2004 trade involving Alex Rodriguez and Alfonso Soriano, Nightengale writes.

The Marlins are also discussing trades involving Josh Johnson and Anibal Sanchez, plus a deal that would send Omar Infante back to Detroit, Nightengale reports.
Ken Rosenthal reported earlier today that the Red Sox are determining trade interest in Crawford. However, GM Ben Cherington says there's "nothing going on" with the left fielder, who is in the second year of a seven-year, $142MM contract he signed following the 2010 season.

[JL25and3]

And I think we can now see that Theo and Francona probably masked a lot of dysfunction (not unlike what Torre did with the Yankees).

Still, I can't entirely agree with your statement, since the current version provides me with much more entertainment than the former

Good point. I was looking at it more or less objectively, in the sense that the 1970s Orioles were a magnificent organization, and the Cubs have been a terrible one.

But the enjoyment I get out of watching the Red Sox organization self-destruct is immeasurable.

[ajra21]

Good point. I was looking at it more or less objectively, in the sense that the 1970s Orioles were a magnificent organization, and the Cubs have been a terrible one.

But the enjoyment I get out of watching the Red Sox organization self-destruct is immeasurable.

have to say, i laughed out loud when i saw the crawford trade rumours.

[4bronxbombers]

I don't see how the Marlins would benefit from it either. Looks like it's a good rumor and that's about it.

[Yankee Tripper]

Papi to the DL

[1936-1939JoeNLou]

The sox are going to get hot, I have a bad feeling. If they do, watch out AL.

[NerfBall55]

The sox are going to get hot, I have a bad feeling. If they do, watch out AL.

They're not scary.

[nnysiny]

The sox are going to get hot, I have a bad feeling. If they do, watch out AL.

this is so random

[ArodEra]

Red Sox to Bill James: No more Joe Paterno comments

http://content.usatoday.com/communit...1#.UASfZMV0i7c

[ArodEra]

I mean is anybody really shocked?

A Massachusetts police officer was put on paid leave Wednesday after an internal investigation found that he directed a racial slur at Boston Red Sox outfielder Carl Crawford.

http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/...-carl-crawford

[teknetic]

The sox are going to get hot, I have a bad feeling. If they do, watch out AL.

Watch out for their crappy starting pitching? Why?

[Yankeesfan924]

The Red Sox drafted the #4 college football recruit in the nation and signed him.

He's currently 0-32 with 31 Ks.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/highsc...161156204.html

[False1]

I mean is anybody really shocked?

http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/...-carl-crawford

Why the heck is he on PAID leave?

[JL25and3]

Why the heck is he on PAID leave?

I'd bet they can't do much more than that before the disciplinary hearing. In the meantime, they're making sure he stays out of the way. I'm not even sure "paid leave" is an accurate description - it sounds like he was temporarily reassigned, taken off the streets and put behind a desk.

[hellonewman]

Red Sox to Bill James: No more Joe Paterno comments

http://content.usatoday.com/communit...1#.UASfZMV0i7c

James has always been a borderline disturbing/creepy guy when not discussing baseball numbers. Anyone remember him defending Marge Schott's Hitler-simpatico sentiments back in the 1990s?

[nhyankeefan]

Why the heck is he on PAID leave?

Because if he is suspended without pay, that would be considered his punishment if he is found "guilty" at his hearing. By placing him on paid leave the department has the freedom to determine what his punishment will be after his hearing.

[False1]

Because if he is suspended without pay, that would be considered his punishment if he is found "guilty" at his hearing. By placing him on paid leave the department has the freedom to determine what his punishment will be after his hearing.

I find that odd, unless I'm misinterpreting the quote. I'm not in the "eff the police" camp by any stretch, but if an "internal investigation" revealed that someone with that type of responsibility and empowerment has enough racial bias to hurl a slur at a player at what is ultimately a meaningless baseball game, it's good that he's suspended but not sure why taxpayers should continue paying him a salary. He really should be fired. But anyway, enough thread hijack.

[4bronxbombers]

The sox are going to get hot, I have a bad feeling. If they do, watch out AL.

Scared sh*tless.

[JL25and3]

I find that odd, unless I'm misinterpreting the quote. I'm not in the "eff the police" camp by any stretch, but if an "internal investigation" revealed that someone with that type of responsibility and empowerment has enough racial bias to hurl a slur at a player at what is ultimately a meaningless baseball game, it's good that he's suspended but not sure why taxpayers should continue paying him a salary. He really should be fired. But anyway, enough thread hijack.

It's like the difference between an arrest and a trial. I assume that there's a union contract that specifies disciplinary procedures.

[aeromac76]

The sox are going to get hot, I have a bad feeling. If they do, watch out AL.

The Yankees sit at 57-34
The Sox are 47-45

The Yankees have 71 games left, the Sox have 70.

Should the Yankees actually play 1 game below .500 the rest of the way, 35-36, they'd win 92 games.
The Sox would have to go 45-25 to tie. Even if Boston gets hot, what indicates they can put together a 20 games over .500 streak in 70 games?

And let's be honest, the Yankees are not likely about to go 35-36 the rest of the way... Let's say they go 40-31, still not even their current pace, but just for kicks, let;s assume they slow down.
That is now 97 wins.

Boston would then need to rattle off a 50-20 run to tie... 30 games over in 70 games for a team that is essentially no better than a .500 team for the first 90 games?

Yeah, not worried...

[Meecham4ever]

I mean is anybody really shocked?

http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/...-carl-crawford

Guy was from Leominster...closer to Hartford than Boston...might as well have been from Springfield.