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    http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ed...nation/?page=1

    Wherein Theo Epstein confirms that all Boston fans are overly dramatic whiners with the accountability of a group of seven year olds.
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    sounds sneaky to me.
    http://www.weei.com/sports/boston/this-just-in/21149846/yocum-examines-lackey-resolution-near
    Red Sox right-hander John Lackey ‬recently visited Dr. Lewis Yocum in California to have his right elbow examined. According to one of the sources, the Red Sox are expecting "a final resolution" in the coming days after receiving the examination's results. The source stated that the organization doesn't believe a second opinion will be necessary.
    If the worst-case scenario -- Tommy John surgery -- is realized it would have a ‪significant impact on Lackey's contract with the Sox. His deal with Boston included a vesting option at the major league minimum (currently $414,000) for a sixth season if he required season-ending surgery on a pre-existing elbow condition. ‬Such an operation‪ would trigger the option, thus making the contract a six-year, $83 million deal -- thus meaning that, for luxury tax purposes, his contract is valued at roughly $13.8 million rather than $16.5 million, something that could mean millions of dollars in luxury tax relief to the Sox. ‬

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    It's impressive how similar Cherington sounds to Theo. His voice is basically identical and he even phrases things like Theo does.

    EDIT: somebody in the press conference asked him what the differences between him and Theo are and he responded with "I don't play the guitar and I don't own a gorilla suit." haha.

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    Also per the press conference: Lackey is having Tommy John surgery and will miss the 2012 season.

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    Also per the press conference: Lackey is having Tommy John surgery and will miss the 2012 season.
    The market for AJ Burnett has just lost its only comp. Get it done Cash.
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    The Lackey news is good not only because of him missing this coming season but with the added season @ league minimum added on, he becomes much more attractive to potential trade partners for 2013-15.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pleasepassthesoup View Post
    It's impressive how similar Cherington sounds to Theo. His voice is basically identical and he even phrases things like Theo does.

    EDIT: somebody in the press conference asked him what the differences between him and Theo are and he responded with "I don't play the guitar and I don't own a gorilla suit." haha.
    At least he's got a sense of humor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweet_lou_14 View Post
    The market for AJ Burnett has just lost its only comp. Get it done Cash.
    Yes, get it done Cash. Please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pleasepassthesoup View Post
    Also per the press conference: Lackey is having Tommy John surgery and will miss the 2012 season.
    Anymore details about his injury and when it occurred?
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    Anymore details about his injury and when it occurred?
    I haven't heard any but I know Gammons reported in August that it was a possibility. Could be Gammo actually had real info for once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredgmuggs View Post
    Anymore details about his injury and when it occurred?
    Seriously. I'm wondering how long he was pitching in that condition
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    Quote Originally Posted by pleasepassthesoup View Post
    I haven't heard any but I know Gammons reported in August that it was a possibility. Could be Gammo actually had real info for once.
    I had a feeling he was pitching hurt this past season. For a guy to be suddenly that bad there's usually a physical reason. OK, maybe AJ is the exception.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fredgmuggs View Post
    I had a feeling he was pitching hurt this past season. For a guy to be suddenly that bad there's usually a physical reason. OK, maybe AJ is the exception.
    ................, I wish Lackey were only as bad as AJ last year. Not that you meant to say they were equally bad, it just read that way to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pleasepassthesoup View Post
    Also per the press conference: Lackey is having Tommy John surgery and will miss the 2012 season.
    srsly?
    always reasonable

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    Quote Originally Posted by pleasepassthesoup View Post
    Also per the press conference: Lackey is having Tommy John surgery and will miss the 2012 season.
    Makes him now untradeable. They still have to pay him $30.5 mil for 2012-13.
    DFA ARod.

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    Cherington comparing his style to Theo's using the analogy - comparing their prowess (or lack thereof) at picking up ladies in a bar, sounded unprofessional to say the least. Not to mention that Theo's married.

    Did the Sox hire a frat boy or GM?


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    Quote Originally Posted by mentalgidget View Post
    The Lackey news is good not only because of him missing this coming season but with the added season @ league minimum added on, he becomes much more attractive to potential trade partners for 2013-15.
    As pointed out on another forum, by the time that added season comes around in 2015, Lackey will have made over $100m. Why would he not just retire from baseball rather than work another year for $400k?

    EDIT - I suppose a team could use that as a reason to re-negotiate his contract (e.g. to 3 years at a flat rate rather than 2 years at $15m or whatever and 1 year at league minimum), but Lackey has the leverage here. He's not likely to be hanging on for another big contract in his mid-30s; he won't be near any historical milestones or Hall of Fame candidacy that I can think of. He's got few good reasons not to just walk away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saxmania View Post
    As pointed out on another forum, by the time that added season comes around in 2015, Lackey will have made over $100m. Why would he not just retire from baseball rather than work another year for $400k?

    EDIT - I suppose a team could use that as a reason to re-negotiate his contract (e.g. to 3 years at a flat rate rather than 2 years at $15m or whatever and 1 year at league minimum), but Lackey has the leverage here. He's not likely to be hanging on for another big contract in his mid-30s; he won't be near any historical milestones or Hall of Fame candidacy that I can think of. He's got few good reasons not to just walk away.

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    Has it been confirmed that Lackey's contract will be extended a year at $400k? I can't imagine Lackey, his agent or the union allowing that w/out a fight and I think it will be pretty hard for the Sox to prove that the surgery was due to a pre 2010 condition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saxmania View Post
    As pointed out on another forum, by the time that added season comes around in 2015, Lackey will have made over $100m. Why would he not just retire from baseball rather than work another year for $400k?

    EDIT - I suppose a team could use that as a reason to re-negotiate his contract (e.g. to 3 years at a flat rate rather than 2 years at $15m or whatever and 1 year at league minimum), but Lackey has the leverage here. He's not likely to be hanging on for another big contract in his mid-30s; he won't be near any historical milestones or Hall of Fame candidacy that I can think of. He's got few good reasons not to just walk away.

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    Lackey retires?? That works too... anything to get him out of a Red Sox uniform sooner is fine with me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArodEra View Post
    Cherington comparing his style to Theo's using the analogy - comparing their prowess (or lack thereof) at picking up ladies in a bar, sounded unprofessional to say the least. Not to mention that Theo's married.

    Did the Sox hire a frat boy or GM?
    Well he was married to ESPN's Wendi Nix and he is now divorced. So Ben can at least pick up chix without committing adultery.

    I thought Cherington handled himself pretty well yesterday. Was accountable, admitted that he was a Crawford advocate and said change was necessary. No doubt, he sounded like his predecessor but that's no surprise since the two worked hand in glove for years.

    Best news of the day for the Red Sox: No Lackey until 2013.

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    Re: The Red Sox Thread

    2015 club option at Major League minimum salary if Lackey misses significant time with surgery for pre-existing elbow injury in 2010-14
    Considering he has already pitched two years before these elbow problems, it would be hard to prove that it was pre-existing. That being said, I fully expect this option to be picked up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankeeah View Post
    Considering he has already pitched two years before these elbow problems, it would be hard to prove that it was pre-existing. That being said, I fully expect this option to be picked up.
    Yep. Reduces the lux tax by $3mm or so. Makes it a no brainer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankeeah View Post
    Considering he has already pitched two years before these elbow problems, it would be hard to prove that it was pre-existing. That being said, I fully expect this option to be picked up.
    In the link nnysiny posted, it said Lackey's average FB velocity matched his career high.

    I wouldn't expect that to be the case-- at least not over an entire season- if there was a pre-existing condition.

    Then again, I'm no doctor...
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    Re: The Red Sox Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by ArodEra View Post
    Cherington comparing his style to Theo's using the analogy - comparing their prowess (or lack thereof) at picking up ladies in a bar, sounded unprofessional to say the least. Not to mention that Theo's married.

    Did the Sox hire a frat boy or GM?
    Hopefully a frat boy - that would be much more fun.

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