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03-16-11 09:51 AM #1
Leave Barry ALONE. LEAVE HIM ALONE.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/colum...e=MLBHeadlinesSCOTTSDALE, Ariz. -- Barry Bonds helped the San Francisco Giants win the World Series last season. And he could help them win it again this season.How? Because he's not a Giant anymore.
When Bonds and his toxic presence was finally removed by the hazmat people after the 2007 season, the Giants began to win more games. Not a lot at first, but enough to realize that Bonds' forced departure was like an emergency tracheotomy on the franchise's windpipe. The Giants could finally breathe again.
Bonds wasn't just a dark cloud in the clubhouse; he was an entire storm system of scowls and controversy. Everything centered on him, his history of alleged steroid use and, in that 2007 season, his joyless pursuit of Hank Aaron's all-time home run record. It was Bonds' team and Bonds' rules. His depressing aura was stretched tightly across the Giants like Saran Wrap.
Not even going to get into the whole team chemistry thing, past the fact that last time I checked a SF team with "toxic presences" like Bonds and Jeff Kent came within a couple outs of a World Series in 2002.
But to me, this was a pointless slam by Wojciechowski (who, in fairness, I've always thought was kind of a hack). Look, Bonds hasn't been in any sort of baseball-related news since receiving a thunderous ovation at AT&T when he threw out the first pitch (and again looked like a normal human being). He was basically forced to retire after '07, despite, you know, having a higher OPS than Albert Pujols.
The steroid era, which for a number of reasons was probably good for Major League Baseball in the long run, is over. It's done with. The pointless, tax-payer funded prosecution of the guy is going to come to a head next week, and regardless of the outcome, no one is going to come out a winner (well, actually Bonds might, I guess, but everyone already knows he's a cheater).
Look, I have no doubt that Bonds is an angry, paranoid, maladjusted jerk, in no small part due to his upbringing. But has he ever done anything in his career that was as morally reprehensible than, say, some of Miguel Cabrera or Brett Myers actions?
Certain members of the media just need to move on.Last edited by The Comic Book Guy; 03-16-11 at 12:14 PM.
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03-16-11 11:47 AM #2
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When Bonds was playing there wasn't a club in baseball that would not have wanted and benefited from him being in the lineup. This is just ridiculous and unnecessary, no matter how horrible of a person he may have been.
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03-16-11 11:52 AM #3NYYF Legend

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Re: Leave Barry ALONE. LEAVE HIM ALONE.
yea the steroid era is over, but everyone in the media brings it up cause it gets more eyes to a story since its scandelous.
The real reason why the Yankees keep winning is cause the other team can't stop staring at the damn pinstripes
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03-16-11 12:39 PM #4
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that was the most asinine, childish, moronic, inept, disgusting, worthless, fking stoopid article i've ever seen.
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03-16-11 01:31 PM #5
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"Welcome to NYYFans, the place where Yankees fans come together to complain about the manner in which our team is winning games" -- Mr. Coffee
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03-16-11 01:50 PM #6
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03-16-11 01:52 PM #7
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"Welcome to NYYFans, the place where Yankees fans come together to complain about the manner in which our team is winning games" -- Mr. Coffee
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03-16-11 02:01 PM #8
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03-16-11 02:07 PM #9
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Which Barry? The one who's tipping his pitches or the one who is going to court facing perjury charges?
Nevermind, I saw the quoted article.It's not the 27 World Championships that drive the New York Yankees. It's the 28th.
Every year is The Year. Go Yankees.
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03-16-11 02:10 PM #10
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It's not the 27 World Championships that drive the New York Yankees. It's the 28th.
Every year is The Year. Go Yankees.
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03-16-11 02:11 PM #11
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It's not the 27 World Championships that drive the New York Yankees. It's the 28th.
Every year is The Year. Go Yankees.
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03-16-11 05:26 PM #12Released Outright
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03-16-11 05:39 PM #13
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Hard to blame Dusty for that 7th/8th inning meltdown, Rodriguez and Worrel were his go to setup guys, Eyre was his LOOGY and all 3 let him down and even Nenn couldn't stop the bleeding as he gave up the go ahead double.
I mean he could have ridden Ortiz but he was near 100 picthes and gave up back to back knocks.
I think Baker's biggest blunder was starting Livan over Rueter in game 7.Baseball is life;
the rest is just details.
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03-16-11 06:43 PM #14
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In reality, Bonds had alot to do with the creation of the villain. He gave the media plenty of material to work with.
That said, the article was ridiculous and unnecessary. Bonds, for all his faults, was perhaps the greatest hitter of the modern era. He carried the Giants offense on his back during his time there, and should get his share of the credit for the team's success.
The notion that he was somehow holding the team back is utter nonsense.~John
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03-16-11 07:31 PM #15
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He made his bed. He can lie in it. @#$% him.
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03-16-11 07:39 PM #16
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Jim Leyritz killed someone. Mel Hall is a pedophile/rapist. Brett Myers punched his wife in the face (in public). Barry Bonds was using steroids in an era when possibly 85% of his peers were doing the same, and he was a bit of a prick to the media.
There are a lot of former and current players far more deserving of the type of scorn that Barry Bonds receives.
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03-16-11 08:34 PM #17
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03-16-11 08:42 PM #18Released Outright
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03-16-11 10:30 PM #19
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You must not read Wojo-whatever all that often.
He gives Jeff Pearlman a run for his money in the overdone sanctimony department, but without any of the occasional insight or actual reporting that Pearlman has.
Removing ESPN.com from my bookmarks 3 months ago was a wonderful and long overdue choice. No more of him, no more Simmons, no Wilbon... if only people would stop linking me to Whitlock articles, I'd be a happy sports reader. I highly recommend everyone drop ESPN altogether. Your life will be much better for it.
"THE Senior Writer." Ha.Stop Bunting.
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03-16-11 10:30 PM #20
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Barry Bonds as a player was seemingly a miserable guy to be around. He loudly expressed his indifference towards people's opinions of him and the media, along with the general public following suit, buried the guy. Personally I don't care how he was as a person. He was a freaking amazing baseball player, and I feel lucky to have grown up watching him play. If I ever saw him in public I'd still approach him to bump knuckles, even though he'll more than likely feel threatened and punch me right in the face.
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03-16-11 10:41 PM #21
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But Dusty Baker "abused" Felix Rodriguez in the 2002 World Series.
Felix Rodriguez and Tim Worrell pitched in 6 of those 7 games including two blowout games in Games 3 and 5.
Had Dusty Baker really know how to "manage" a pitching staff a lot of better, the Giants could've had two World titles since moving to SF instead of 1.It's not the 27 World Championships that drive the New York Yankees. It's the 28th.
Every year is The Year. Go Yankees.
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03-17-11 09:19 AM #22
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There is a point where talent completely overrides chemistry. A great player with a bad attitude seemingly can affect the performance of a team if it's bad enough. I don't know to what extent, I mean if a team is good enough they should be able to conquer that and play on the field but if it really does cause that much of a problem there still needs to be a point where it doesn't matter.
Barry Bonds was one of the greatest baseball players to ever step on the field. All he needed to do was walk to the on deck circle and the opposing team took notice. Everyone knew what was standing there waiting to do damage and for a few years that damage was done almost half the time he got up to the plate.
I don;t care if he was the biggest asshole in the world. I don't care if he was selfish and egotistical. The guy was the most efficient and powerful hitter I have ever witnessed play the game. if you put even a half way decent team around him they could win.
I think the Giants not winning was more of a case of them just not having a good enough team or it not being run correctly. Bonds had little to do with failure. It's an excuse. There were better teams in the league and they lost. But not because of Bonds or what he did. If anything he had more to do with whatever success the team had.
I don't buy that bad guy crap. He was just too damn good for it to hurt the team.NYYFans Fantasy Baseball
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03-17-11 05:45 PM #23
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If the Giants had Lincecum, Cain, Sanchez, and Bumgarner in the years Bonds played there they might have won 2 or 3 World Series. Bonds literally carried the Giants offensively for years after Kent left.
"Chemistry" might matter in the clubhouse and stuff, but it was the Giants pitching and timely hitting that got hot that won them the World Series.
It's not like Bonds didn't try his best to win that World Series either: .471/.700/1.294/1.994
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03-17-11 06:56 PM #24
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it's just ................ing absurd how ridiculous thsi article is. it makes me a violent person. i couldn't make it through the first sentence holy ................
Last edited by awy; 03-18-11 at 05:58 AM.
always reasonable
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03-17-11 07:34 PM #25
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You put Lincecum and Cain in a time machine and take them back to 2002 and Bonds would have a ring.
Here's to you, Mr. Robinson. Jesus loves you more than you Cano.
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