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  1. #1226
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    Re: Did we make the right choice? [Austin Jackson vs. Curtis Granderson]

    At the time I didn't like the trade. Now I think it's a decent trade for the Yankees.

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    Re: Did we make the right choice? [Austin Jackson vs. Curtis Granderson]

    How is Granderson's WAR that low? Their defensive metric must despise his D.
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    Re: Did we make the right choice? [Austin Jackson vs. Curtis Granderson]

    Quote Originally Posted by SatchelPaigeYankee View Post
    imagine an OF of AJax, Gardner, and Melky? heh.....
    I think the Yankees having that OF in the 2011 would've most definitely missed postseason
    Plus, having that OF means that the Yankees would've had to live through the crap that was Melky in 2010 instead of Swisher and a BABIP fluke Jackson in CF, which probably would've been another PS miss.
    With two straight years of PS miss, that would've likely led to a mass riot outburst like the 2011 Boston with Girardi and Cashman fired, leaving the Yankees with Valentine...(shudder)

    And in all honesty, I really don't see Melky becoming what he is now if he didn't get traded then released by the Braves.

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    Re: Did we make the right choice? [Austin Jackson vs. Curtis Granderson]

    Quote Originally Posted by SatchelPaigeYankee View Post
    imagine an OF of AJax, Gardner, and Melky? heh.....
    Personally I'm glad and happy that our prospects are doing well. Sure some of them are playing for other teams but we've got some good players who came up through our system performing well for us too.

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    Re: Did we make the right choice? [Austin Jackson vs. Curtis Granderson]

    I think Curtis read this thread over his morning coffee.

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    Re: Did we make the right choice? [Austin Jackson vs. Curtis Granderson]

    Quote Originally Posted by Yankees13 View Post
    How is Granderson's WAR that low? Their defensive metric must despise his D.
    He has a -29 UZR/150. McCutchen is the second worst.

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    Re: Did we make the right choice? [Austin Jackson vs. Curtis Granderson]

    Since when did curtis get that bad in the OF?
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    Re: Did we make the right choice? [Austin Jackson vs. Curtis Granderson]

    Quote Originally Posted by snapple View Post
    Since when did curtis get that bad in the OF?
    Absolutely - those two plays he made today were the worst.
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    Re: Did we make the right choice? [Austin Jackson vs. Curtis Granderson]

    Quote Originally Posted by teknetic View Post
    He has a -29 UZR/150. McCutchen is the second worst.
    A half season of UZR isn't particularly meaningful. It's...not a perfect stat.

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    Re: Did we make the right choice? [Austin Jackson vs. Curtis Granderson]

    Quote Originally Posted by SLURPEE View Post
    At the time I didn't like the trade. Now I think it's a decent trade for the Yankees.

    Just decent? You certainly are the master of understatement

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    Re: Did we make the right choice? [Austin Jackson vs. Curtis Granderson]

    Granderson's catch last night was one of the best I've ever seen.
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    Re: Did we make the right choice? [Austin Jackson vs. Curtis Granderson]

    Quote Originally Posted by teknetic View Post
    He has a -29 UZR/150. McCutchen is the second worst.
    I'd rate him a slightly below average defensive CF'er but there's no way he's anywhere close to being that bad. -29 is corpse of Bernie Williams circa 2005 status.
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    Re: Did we make the right choice? [Austin Jackson vs. Curtis Granderson]

    Quote Originally Posted by RenoHightower View Post
    A half season of UZR isn't particularly meaningful. It's...not a perfect stat.
    It's funny to me how UZR hates Grandy and Tex, yet loves stone hands Soriano.

    Until we get Batted ball/fx, UZR will remain a subjective and unreliable stat.
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    Re: Did we make the right choice? [Austin Jackson vs. Curtis Granderson]

    UZR hates Tex? You kidding me? Anyone with eyes can see that he is probably the best 1B glove in the game.
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    Re: Did we make the right choice? [Austin Jackson vs. Curtis Granderson]

    Quote Originally Posted by snapple View Post
    UZR hates Tex? You kidding me? Anyone with eyes can see that he is probably the best 1B glove in the game.
    I'm wrong. He's actually been loved by UZR the past couple years after being deemed below avg in 2010. It seems to be a useless stat in sample sizes of even a full season.
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    Re: Did we make the right choice? [Austin Jackson vs. Curtis Granderson]

    Quote Originally Posted by Blazer View Post
    It's funny to me how UZR hates Grandy and Tex, yet loves stone hands Soriano.

    Until we get Batted ball/fx, UZR will remain a subjective and unreliable stat.
    ^ This. Precisely why I still refuse to accept WAR as the be all, end all stat some make it out to be (since it UZR as part of the calculation).
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    Re: Did we make the right choice? [Austin Jackson vs. Curtis Granderson]

    Quote Originally Posted by RenoHightower View Post
    A half season of UZR isn't particularly meaningful. It's...not a perfect stat.
    Wasn't saying it was. BJ Upton's also in the negatives, I'd be peachy if they got rid of it altogether, but it serves some purpose I guess.

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    Re: Did we make the right choice? [Austin Jackson vs. Curtis Granderson]

    Quote Originally Posted by Blazer View Post
    I'm wrong. He's actually been loved by UZR the past couple years after being deemed below avg in 2010. It seems to be a useless stat in sample sizes of even a full season.
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but the originators of the stat said 3 years is the best sample.
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    Re: Did we make the right choice? [Austin Jackson vs. Curtis Granderson]

    Quote Originally Posted by NerfBall55 View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the originators of the stat said 3 years is the best sample.
    Which makes it interesting when the one year sample is used in MVP discussions
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    Re: Did we make the right choice? [Austin Jackson vs. Curtis Granderson]

    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Fan in Boston View Post
    Which makes it interesting when the one year sample is used in MVP discussions
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  21. #1246

    Re: Did we make the right choice? [Austin Jackson vs. Curtis Granderson]

    Yes, I would say that we made the right decision. I know people will point to Jackson's youth but Granderson isn't an older player by any means and is one of the best sluggers in baseball. He's on track to hit 40 HR's two years in a row and he plays in a stadium that suits him perfectly. I love Granderson and couldn't think of where the Yanks would have been without him the past 2 years.

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    Re: Did we make the right choice? [Austin Jackson vs. Curtis Granderson]

    Jackson is a very good young player, but IMO he is not in Granderson's league.

    The Yankees have one of the premiere power hitting CF's in all of baseball, a rare commodity for legit CF'ers.

    Other than Josh Hamilton, I can't think of another CF'er who is better than Grandy, particularly for the Yankees.

    I wouldn't even trade Granderson for Matt Kemp ... Granderson is a much better fit for Yankee Stadium.

    And as a person, they don't come better than Grandy ... awesome guy to have in your clubhouse.
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    Re: Did we make the right choice? [Austin Jackson vs. Curtis Granderson]

    Really? I'd deal him for Kemp without thinking twice about it. McCutchen too.

  24. #1249

    Re: Did we make the right choice? [Austin Jackson vs. Curtis Granderson]

    One more thing:

    I thought it would take a long time for the Yankees to replace Bernie Williams with a CF of his caliber, but they did it the day they traded for Curtis Granderson. He has been a Godsend to this team.

    And we better re-sign him!

    Losing this man would be an unmitigated disaster.
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    Re: Did we make the right choice? [Austin Jackson vs. Curtis Granderson]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jax Teller View Post
    Really? I'd deal him for Kemp without thinking twice about it. McCutchen too.
    NOT ME

    I wouldn't even consider it.

    Granderson is a lefty who is tailor-made for Yankee Stadium, as evidenced by what may soon be back-to-back 40 HR seasons.

    Matt Kemp (RHH) would not even approach Granderson's power numbers in the Bronx.

    Also Granderson is a world class individual who is not phased in the least by NY and all of its distractions.

    Kemp is a hip-hop generation kid who I fear might implode in NY

    I would not even consider trading Granderson for Kemp.
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