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    Re: 2010 Joba Chamberlain Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by NYCrusader
    1.CC
    2. Burnett
    3. Pettitte
    4. Joba
    5. Hughes

    What should of been...
    1. CC
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    Even better.
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    Re: 2010 Joba Chamberlain Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by NYYRules#1
    1. CC
    2. Vazquez
    3. Joba
    4, Burnett
    5, Hughes

    Even better.
    Regardless of where you think Joba should be, you really don't want Andy in the lineup? I really don't understand that.

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    Re: 2010 Joba Chamberlain Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by S2K
    Regardless of where you think Joba should be, you really don't want Andy in the lineup? I really don't understand that.
    Andy won't be as good this year as Joba, with old mechanics left intact, would have been (hell, I think current Joba would've been marginally better than Pettitte as a starter this year), and I think Hughes will be around the same as Pettitte will be this year, hopefully a little bit better. Plus, if we want to develop Joba and Phil as starters, that'll have to come at the expense of having Pettitte in the rotation as well. Tough choice, but I think it's one worth making.
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    Re: 2010 Joba Chamberlain Performance Thread

    joba arm hurt in texas when throwing with his old mechanics, right? isn't it possible that they changed his mechanics to prevent injury and sustain his career?
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    Re: 2010 Joba Chamberlain Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by ajra21
    joba arm hurt in texas when throwing with his old mechanics, right? isn't it possible that they changed his mechanics to prevent injury and sustain his career?
    Yes thats what many-myself included have speculated on.

    But the problem is, it has thus far, resulted in a pitcher that can't consistently repeat his delivery, lower velocity, don't know where the ball is going resulting in more walks etc..

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    Re: 2010 Joba Chamberlain Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by SLURPEE
    Yes thats what many-myself included have speculated on.

    But the problem is, it has thus far, resulted in a pitcher that can't consistently repeat his delivery, lower velocity, don't know where the ball is going resulting in more walks etc..
    yep. just as well he's got a further decade plus to pitch. it would be a shame if we were one of the few clubs who could not be patience with a young pitcher.

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    Re: 2010 Joba Chamberlain Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by S2K
    Regardless of where you think Joba should be, you really don't want Andy in the lineup? I really don't understand that.
    yeah, that makes no sense IMO. andy has been the quintessential gamer his entire career, and looks sharp early even tho he basically got rained out all ST. he gave up 1 run in fenway over 6 after gutting thru "survival mode" post collission for a few innings. how you could not kiss the ground for andy in this rotation is beyond me.

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    Re: 2010 Joba Chamberlain Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by ajra21
    joba arm hurt in texas when throwing with his old mechanics, right? isn't it possible that they changed his mechanics to prevent injury and sustain his career?
    Or it could have been a fluke injury that would have cropped up regardless of his mechanics.

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    Re: 2010 Joba Chamberlain Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by NYYRules#1
    Andy won't be as good this year as Joba, with old mechanics left intact, would have been (hell, I think current Joba would've been marginally better than Pettitte as a starter this year), and I think Hughes will be around the same as Pettitte will be this year, hopefully a little bit better. Plus, if we want to develop Joba and Phil as starters, that'll have to come at the expense of having Pettitte in the rotation as well. Tough choice, but I think it's one worth making.
    Since I have already commented on the Joba thing (as in keep him in the pen) lets set this aside anyway. Don't need to rehash the same arguments. So, of the list I'd still rather have Andy than Javy. I am not throwing Javy under the bus, but he has largely been about hope, promise, rainbows and candy canes. Meanwhile Andy was a large part of our WS win last year and has proven as much as Jeter, Mo, etc., to be a big gamer. I would continue to ride that horse because he has surely earned the trust.

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    Re: 2010 Joba Chamberlain Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by teknetic
    Or it could have been a fluke injury that would have cropped up regardless of his mechanics.
    of course. not denying that. he'd had injuries in the past. i always suspect that in the event he'd stayed with his old mechanics and gotten hurt again; this board would be full of people calling for eiland's firing because he didn't help joba to change his mechanics.
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    Re: 2010 Joba Chamberlain Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by yankee82093
    It certainly is possible for Mo be better in the postseason. I agree with that. That's why I said he was a true postseason 1.5 ERA pitcher. This is better than his career regular season ERA significantly. I agree with the notion that he performs better in the postseason.
    How is he a true postseason ERA of 1.5? Thats more than double his ERA for his career....
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    Re: 2010 Joba Chamberlain Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by parkerstrong
    How is he a true postseason ERA of 1.5? Thats more than double his ERA for his career....
    If you want to know my reasoning, please see my previous posts on the subject in the earlier pages of this thread.

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    Re: 2010 Joba Chamberlain Performance Thread

    Inconsistent velocity again.
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    Re: 2010 Joba Chamberlain Performance Thread

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    Inconsistent velocity again.
    Location is the problem, 93-95 should be sufficient
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    Re: 2010 Joba Chamberlain Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark19
    Location is the problem, 93-95 should be sufficient
    Yes, but his stuff doesn't look as good as in Boston.
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    Re: 2010 Joba Chamberlain Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by ppa79
    Yes, but his stuff doesn't look as good as in Boston.
    Same stuff. He was sitting around 93 in Boston but topped out at 96 a couple times. He was 92-93 today and hitting 95. Neither time was his FB close to the JTTP of old. Or even Rotation Joba of old, for that matter.

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    Re: 2010 Joba Chamberlain Performance Thread

    Jtaaa

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    Re: 2010 Joba Chamberlain Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by ajra21
    joba arm hurt in texas when throwing with his old mechanics, right? isn't it possible that they changed his mechanics to prevent injury and sustain his career?
    If he keeps pitching like this with the "injury prevention" mechanics his career is not going to last very long anyway.
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    Re: 2010 Joba Chamberlain Performance Thread

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    Re: 2010 Joba Chamberlain Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by NelsonMuntz
    If he keeps pitching like this with the "injury prevention" mechanics his career is not going to last very long anyway.
    u r right a setup man that throws 93-94 and once in a while hits 95 with good offspeed pitches has no chance

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    Re: 2010 Joba Chamberlain Performance Thread

    Have the Yankees screwed the pooch with his development?

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    Re: 2010 Joba Chamberlain Performance Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by anubis7010
    u r right a setup man that throws 93-94 and once in a while hits 95 with good offspeed pitches has no chance
    That description could easily apply to someone like Jose Veras. Joba needs to go back to his old mechanics or work with Nardi on a completely new approach.
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    Re: 2010 Joba Chamberlain Performance Thread

    He definitely shouldn't be our set up guy.

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    Re: 2010 Joba Chamberlain Performance Thread

    The more and more I watch him the more and more I'm convinced they changed his mechanics and now he has trouble repeating them.

    Although he was in the minors for a short period of time (90 innings). He did not have this kind of trouble repeating his delivery. Had he did, he wouldn't have put up the numbers he did.
    Ditto too when he came up late 07 and 08 up until he walked off the mound in Texas.

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    Re: 2010 Joba Chamberlain Performance Thread

    I don't want to make excuses, but given the lead and it is hard to get too into this performance. We've even seen Mariano not pitch his best when it isn't a save situation. Let me see him again in a 1-2 run game. I also expect him to be used a bit more. With a healthy lead it is hard to judge relievers too harshly.

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