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  1. #10601

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    You haven't been paying attention if you honestly believe there is a chance we're leaders in those areas.

    Except maybe in stats. They finally hired a pile of statisticians last year. Come to think of it, that might have netted us Kuroda and explained why Yankees wanted Kuroda for 2 years (Kuroda was the one that said only 1 year.)

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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Hire Nate Silver to give him something to do between now and mid-2014.
    "Never, never, never quit."-Winston Churchill.

  3. #10603

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    the trainng staff might win a competitive eating contest, thats about it
    always reasonable

  4. #10604

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    Quote Originally Posted by grizy View Post
    You haven't been paying attention if you honestly believe there is a chance we're leaders in those areas.

    Except maybe in stats. They finally hired a pile of statisticians last year. Come to think of it, that might have netted us Kuroda and explained why Yankees wanted Kuroda for 2 years (Kuroda was the one that said only 1 year.)
    I'm not sure any of us are paying enough attention because even their media guide is incomplete as it only gives us a snapshot of some positions within the Yankee organization. As hirings go on throughout the year and no contracted or subcontracted services are listed. As fans some of us think we know everything about the Yankee organization, but public information is limited at best in that regard.
    Okay Hal and Brian, I might be a sucker, but you got 3 more years to fix it!

  5. #10605

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankeesfan924 View Post
    Hire Nate Silver to give him something to do between now and mid-2014.
    somewhat tangently, I still miss Silver's baseball work.

    he's beyond done with almost all of it (rightfully so), but his void was never really filled, at BP or in general.

  6. #10606

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    You don't need to be a genius to figure out the Yankees don't trust their own medical staff when they changed their SOP and sent everyone worth a damn straight to the specialist in 2012. Compare this to the cluster ................s we had with CMW in 2009 and Hughes last year.

    You also don't need to be an insider to figure out they don't have advanced training programs or regimens when they get surprised by Joba/Hughes showing up out of shape.

    Set up our own training institute that runs year round so our players can train in one place during offseason is they wish. Boras and every European soccer team I can think of do this. It's odd the Yankees (and most MLB teams) doesn't.

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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by grizy View Post
    It baffles me how people keep saying "with our resources."

    What resources? There are rules governing IFA and domestic draft now that make it hard to flex financial muscle.

    Prior to the rule changes, the Yanks had the ability to blow other teams away with their resources, especially in the draft and IFA. Does that not count?

  8. #10608

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    And we did draft out of slot and get more than a few IFAs.

    What do you want them to do? Bid 3 million on everyone? Yankees has consistently picked 2 or 3 of the top 20 international FAs. Yeah, some teams are even more active and aggressive (Jays and Rangers come to mind) but it's really hard to make a case that the Yankees aren't picking up IFAs where they can.

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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by grizy View Post
    And we did draft out of slot and get more than a few IFAs.

    What do you want them to do? Bid 3 million on everyone? Yankees has consistently picked 2 or 3 of the top 20 international FAs. Yeah, some teams are even more active and aggressive (Jays and Rangers come to mind) but it's really hard to make a case that the Yankees aren't picking up IFAs where they can.
    The point is, with the resources they had (and lack of restrictions), they should have done a lot more. I don't have the info in front of me, but I highly doubt they outspent the opposition in either the draft or the IFA the way they should have. And it's going to KILL them now that the $189M # seems like a legitimate goal.

  10. #10610

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    seems to me that the yankees has traditionallly enjoyed a great edge in intl talent (the bernie-mo generation of players), then sat on that advantage, maybe went a little arrogant, and failed to either defend or expand that advantage.
    always reasonable

  11. #10611

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    Quote Originally Posted by awy View Post
    seems to me that the yankees has traditionallly enjoyed a great edge in intl talent (the bernie-mo generation of players), then sat on that advantage, maybe went a little arrogant, and failed to either defend or expand that advantage.
    I could buy into this. But at the same time I can't really blame them for not splurging 3, 5, and even 5 million on 18 (some younger) year olds.

    Just look at the Jays. For all the money they've spent on IFAs, they sure don't have much to show for it.

    I think the team understands finding super stars among the IFAs is more about getting lucky so they focus their resources on signing mid to mid-high tier prospects for much more reasonable money. Then they develop and use them as needed. Nunez, Cervelli, Ramiro Pena, CMW, and Cano are all products of this philosophy.

    So far, so good. Whoever is scouting in Latin America seems to be much better at his job than the guy that scouted Kei Igawa.

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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Had they known that the rules would change to hinder their spending (they should have had an idea), I'd bet a significant amount of $ they would have changed the way they did business in both the draft and IFA.

  13. #10613

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    Quote Originally Posted by Art Vanderlay View Post
    As I stated in my previous post, Cashman has had total control of player development for 6 or 7 years and the results have been disappointing. He's bringing in a new team which is in itslef validation that he's been relying on the wrong people. Lets hope he gets it right because I believe he is not going anywhere.
    Yeah Cashman is a great delegator, office manager type, etc. But where is his blueprint for the next few years? What is his vision, for example the lineup in his head for the year 2015 and beyond? What I see is a very wishy-washy blueprint, with no real direction or plan. He is stuck in a reactionary mode from the days when he had to react to George's impulsive whims and mood swings. For now, I'm willing to see what the offseason holds in the offing, it should be very telling about his future and more importantly the future of the club. They have dug themselves a big hole by having everything converging at once (older players, waning farm system, payroll reduction). Very telling indeed.

  14. #10614

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    Where is the blue print? Are you kidding me? Is Cashman running for office?

    I am sure Hal, his boss, knows the blue print and the plan. You don't need to know it. I don't think it would be good business for Yankee management to let the world know their plans, either as a way of attracting fans or as a way to compete with other teams.

  15. #10615

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    Quote Originally Posted by rajah View Post
    Where is the blue print? Are you kidding me? Is Cashman running for office?

    I am sure Hal, his boss, knows the blue print and the plan. You don't need to know it. I don't think it would be good business for Yankee management to let the world know their plans, either as a way of attracting fans or as a way to compete with other teams.
    There are ways to see the blueprint in spite of what you are saying. For example the farm system. Take a look there. I suppose they are going to stockpile the team with middle relievers judging by the number of prospects with that pedigree in the system. Take a look at your shortstop of the future - Cito Culver. Maybe even Autin Aune? Big upgrades there. You're right they should be keeping that ultra secret blueprint close to the vest. Oh yeah, there's always buying your way out of a pickle.

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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    There is of course a blue print but the kind of blue print you are asking for is impossible. He would be stupid to have a lineup in his head for 2015. Who knows what athletes will be doing what then. It is his job to react to what happens to the team and to the market.

    The blueprint is crystal clear. Use bargain signings and young players to compensate for bloated contracts so we can still make the playoffs while stabilizing and reducing the payroll. he has been perfectly public with the plans for the organization which are based around the demands of ownership.

  17. #10617

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    Quote Originally Posted by grizy View Post
    I could buy into this. But at the same time I can't really blame them for not splurging 3, 5, and even 5 million on 18 (some younger) year olds.

    Just look at the Jays. For all the money they've spent on IFAs, they sure don't have much to show for it.

    I think the team understands finding super stars among the IFAs is more about getting lucky so they focus their resources on signing mid to mid-high tier prospects for much more reasonable money. Then they develop and use them as needed. Nunez, Cervelli, Ramiro Pena, CMW, and Cano are all products of this philosophy.

    So far, so good. Whoever is scouting in Latin America seems to be much better at his job than the guy that scouted Kei Igawa.
    The guy that scouted Igawa was fired years ago.
    Okay Hal and Brian, I might be a sucker, but you got 3 more years to fix it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Finnigan View Post
    There are ways to see the blueprint in spite of what you are saying. For example the farm system. Take a look there. I suppose they are going to stockpile the team with middle relievers judging by the number of prospects with that pedigree in the system. Take a look at your shortstop of the future - Cito Culver. Maybe even Autin Aune? Big upgrades there. You're right they should be keeping that ultra secret blueprint close to the vest. Oh yeah, there's always buying your way out of a pickle.
    We're writing off Aune as a prospect already? Interesting.

  19. #10619

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    this thread is so full of emotional responses. it makes me angry.
    Thank you for making me calm today, Brett Gardner

  20. #10620

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    Quote Originally Posted by False1 View Post
    We're writing off Aune as a prospect already? Interesting.
    He didn't even make BA's top 20 Gulf Coast League prospect list - Does that sound like the guy who is going to be the next Yankee Captain? Very interesting indeed.

  21. #10621

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Finnigan View Post
    He didn't even make BA's top 20 Gulf Coast League prospect list - Does that sound like the guy who is going to be the next Yankee Captain? Very interesting indeed.
    You sure you don't want to delete those comments?
    Okay Hal and Brian, I might be a sucker, but you got 3 more years to fix it!

  22. #10622

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    Quote Originally Posted by snapple View Post
    this thread is so full of emotional responses. it makes me angry.
    Is the irony here intentional?
    "Baseball is about hope, not confidence." -- rajah

  23. #10623

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Finnigan View Post
    He didn't even make BA's top 20 Gulf Coast League prospect list - Does that sound like the guy who is going to be the next Yankee Captain? Very interesting indeed.
    A convoluted response to a specific point warrants the like.

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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Finnigan View Post
    He didn't even make BA's top 20 Gulf Coast League prospect list - Does that sound like the guy who is going to be the next Yankee Captain? Very interesting indeed.
    He's 18 and was just drafted. So the GM was supposed to get a guy in last year's draft that "sounds like he's going to be the next Yankee captain?" Are you for real?

  25. #10625

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    Quote Originally Posted by False1 View Post
    He's 18 and was just drafted. So the GM was supposed to get a guy in last year's draft that "sounds like he's going to be the next Yankee captain?" Are you for real?
    You are completely taking what I said out of context. Simply stated, someone said that the blueprint for the future was out of reach for us normal fans. I said, not so. And while my view of the Yankee farm system might not be the same as yours or his, it is mine and I can use it to analyze the content of the blueprint. Lastly, the comment made by another poster is arrogant and as far as I am concerned immature. I do not get that vibe from you, so my respect for you is there even if we disagree. Have a nice evening.

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