Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

[Yankees1962]

There's still people out there whining about the Lee non-signing? Like, are you unaware that he not only preferred Philly, but that they also offered him a favorable contract?

No, he's whining about Hughes not meeting his potential and the same with Joba.

[Yankees1962]

I just wish one of them turns out to be a #2 starter as I'm sick and tired of reading how the Yankees can't develop pitching.

[THEBOSS84]

No, he's whining about Hughes not meeting his potential and the same with Joba.

Ha, I'm not whining at all. I said I believe Cashman is the man for the job. I fully endorse him.

The facts are on my side when it comes to starting pitching. It's not really debatable.

[Yankees1962]

Ha, I'm not whining at all. I said I believe Cashman is the man for the job. I fully endorse him.

The facts are on my side when it comes to starting pitching. It's not really debatable.

The fact of the matter is you want results now, but developing pitching isn't that simple and it takes time. For every Lester, there are several others that don't measure up.

[teknetic]

No, he's whining about Hughes not meeting his potential and the same with Joba.

I wasn't talking about Seymour.

It really depends on what his production is like in five years. If he thinks he can still be as dominant by then, he took the better deal, but iirc the Yankees offered the bigger over all contract.

I'm too lazy to look at the details, but I think Philly offered him a higher AAV.

[Yankee Fan in Boston]

Ha, I'm not whining at all. I said I believe Cashman is the man for the job. I fully endorse him.

The facts are on my side when it comes to starting pitching. It's not really debatable.

I think your facts are offset by a SSS. I also think adding Rothschild is going to help with the process

[d32123]

I wasn't talking about Seymour.



I'm too lazy to look at the details, but I think Philly offered him a higher AAV.

Yeah but the Yankees offered two more years so overall he was guaranteed more money.

[Mr Coffee]

Yeah but the Yankees offered two more years so overall he was guaranteed more money.

Hence, higher AAV from the Phils.

[d32123]

Hence, higher AAV from the Phils.

Still don't get how teknetic's post contradicts my own.

[gold23]

I wasn't talking about Seymour.



I'm too lazy to look at the details, but I think Philly offered him a higher AAV.

I think this is true, but I also think the Yanks offered him an appreciably longer deal at the silly money level. Since it is extremely likely that Lee would not be offered that type of money at such an advanced age, the Yankees most likely offered him the most favorable contract. However....the fact the Phillies offered him more in the years he'd sign for makes it a viable choice. You can continue to play with the likelihood that the Yanks probably would've bumped their offer significantly higher than the Phils if they would have shortened it to the years he eventually received, but we'd all be in a circular argument with no end.

[ajra21]

i think lee preferred returning to philly and picthing away from the AL east agiant pitchers and not DHs. he claimed that he chose philly over NY because their team was younger, a claim that was inaccurate.

[mbn007]

i think lee preferred returning to philly and picthing away from the AL east agiant pitchers and not DHs. he claimed that he chose philly over NY because their team was younger, a claim that was inaccurate.

There was also a claim about the Hospital situation in Philly, that his son needed. I do not have a link, but it was in the Cliff Lee thread around the time he signed with Philly.

[False1]

Are we still beating the Cliff Lee horse to death? That's even worse than Haren; at least Cashman had a choice in the Haren miss.

[bomber999]

Are we still beating the Cliff Lee horse to death? That's even worse than Haren; at least Cashman had a choice in the Haren miss.

Agree. Cashman did everything he could to sign Lee as a FA, short of begging or becoming his butler.

[ajra21]

There was also a claim about the Hospital situation in Philly, that his son needed. I do not have a link, but it was in the Cliff Lee thread around the time he signed with Philly.

well remembered, i heard that too somewhere.

philly has good hospitals huh? bet they're good at removing half sunk batteries from the human skull.

[ajra21]

Agree. Cashman did everything he could to sign Lee as a FA, short of begging or becoming his butler.

clearly no committment. it's probably his last year,

[gold23]

well remembered, i heard that too somewhere.

philly has good hospitals huh? bet they're good at removing half sunk batteries from the human skull.

Ha. They actually have one of the best children's hospitals in the world. Affiliated with UPenn.

[ajra21]

Ha. They actually have one of the best children's hospitals in the world. Affiliated with UPenn.

you know what? i knew that. why on earth would i know that?

[Chairman-of-TheBoard]

i think lee preferred returning to philly and picthing away from the AL east agiant pitchers and not DHs. he claimed that he chose philly over NY because their team was younger, a claim that was inaccurate.

Fear for those AL East bats. I find it humorous when a pitcher shies away from the AL. I wasn't overly impressed with Lee's performance with Texas last year and I thank Christ that Peavy wanted nothing to do with our division. And yeah, when they lie (Lee regarding Phillies' collective age), that really cheapens their rhetoric.

[ajra21]

Fear for those AL East bats. I find it humorous when a pitcher shies away from the AL. I wasn't overly impressed with Lee's performance with Texas last year and I thank Christ that Peavy wanted nothing to do with our division. And yeah, when they lie (Lee regarding Phillies' collective age), that really cheapens their rhetoric.

peavy has been injured so it has dimished who he was/is but i agree that i never felt good about him leaving petco for the AL. as for lee, it was a big change for lee going from safeco to the heat of texas. he impressed me in texas so a degree. he clearly didn't enjoy being traded around and wanted to go somewhere he was very comfortable with. i wasn't surprised when he stayed away from NY.

[THEBOSS84]

This guy pitching for the Angels tonight is pretty good.

[False1]

This guy pitching for the Angels tonight is pretty good.

Shame he wasn't on the block recently, at low prices nonetheless.

[ArodEra]

This guy pitching for the Angels tonight is pretty good.

The guy he's pitching against? Not so good.

[Zimmers' Helmet]

Cash is a funny man:

“The stuff on A.J. is way overblown. A.J.’s been solid for us this year. I just think the way it’s playing doesn’t necessarily reflect how he’s pitched,” Cashman said. “The public outcry recently is all emotion rather than factual.”

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/yanke...#ixzz1UvDnAEdc



Really, Cash? All emotion and not factual?

Burnett since the All-Star break:

IP: 29
H: 39
BB: 14
K: 29
ERA: 6.44
WHIP 1.83
AVG: .317

[grizy]

Lee's contract with Phillies is heavily back-loaded, in terms of present value it's lower than Yankees on AAV.

Never mind the fewer years and a team friendly option.