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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by ppa79
    Luck for Cash that the George in the late 90s and 2000s was not the same George of the 70s and 80s.
    Lucky for Cash?

    Would you rather he had been?

    I'd say lucky for the Yankees.

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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by ppa79
    Luck for Cash that the George in the late 90s and 2000s was not the same George of the 70s and 80s.
    Yeah, The George who told Piniella , "I Just Won You The Pennant, We traded for Steve Trout!"

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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by ppa79
    Luck for Cash that the George in the late 90s and 2000s was not the same George of the 70s and 80s.
    He was only slightly reformed, like a serial killer who turned to torturing insects in private.
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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by ppa79
    Is it really?

    How many other teams have a 200 million dollar payroll. A large part of Cashman success is due to the financial resources of the Yankees. Its not like we are slightly above the next team, we are way above them.

    Not to mention the 40 million dollar mistake in AAA and giving International free agents deals worth in the millions.
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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyEllis
    He was only slightly reformed, like a serial killer who turned to torturing insects in private.
    He was completely different. George of the 70s and 80s was crazy. George of the 90s and 2000s was a lot more mellow. Lot of probably had to do with health reasons.
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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by awy
    montero not being able to catch is one of the bigger reasons, but romine being a better prospect is not the reason.
    If Montero is not a good catcher where does he play? First base is locked up for another 7 years and you don't bring up a young player to be the regular DH.

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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by awy
    montero not being able to catch is one of the bigger reasons, but romine being a better prospect is not the reason.
    Exactly
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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by hardrain
    bobby jr., is that you?
    Are you serious?

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    Its about having the money to sign these guys. The Yankees generate so much money that they can afford it. What skill does it take to offer the premier free agents the most money?
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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by ymike673
    If Montero is not a good catcher where does he play? First base is locked up for another 7 years and you don't bring up a young player to be the regular DH.
    Then perhaps you make a decision to trade him -- fine. I just don't like it being for a rental. I think his promise is worth more than that.
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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by ppa79
    He was completely different. George of the 70s and 80s was crazy. George of the 90s and 2000s was a lot more mellow. Lot of probably had to do with health reasons.
    You don't know the half of it:

    http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/1...enners-threat/
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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by ppa79
    He was completely different. George of the 70s and 80s was crazy. George of the 90s and 2000s was a lot more mellow. Lot of probably had to do with health reasons.

    George of the early 90s was suspended from baseball, which led to the success in the mid to later 90s
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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by ymike673
    What if Cashman has determined that Romine is the better prospect. Than the Yankees are really trading their second best catching prospect for a certified ace starting pitcher.
    ka-ching !! and what if they had determined that montero wasn't gonna cut it as a C and might take a few more yrs to develop, and maybe not rage as a young miguel cabrera as widely touted ?? maybe they did a great job of hyping montero and maybe cashman is smartly selling high. dunno, but the fact that they were previously willing to deal montero for doc leads me to conclude they may believe he's overvalued at this point.

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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by ppa79
    Is it really?

    How many other teams have a 200 million dollar payroll. A large part of Cashman success is due to the financial resources of the Yankees. Its not like we are slightly above the next team, we are way above them.

    Not to mention the 40 million dollar mistake in AAA and giving International free agents deals worth in the millions.
    Of course the money helps, but it also doesn't guarantee diddly. You could give a guy like Minaya/Moore a huge budget and I doubt they'd be able to put together a WS juggernaut; much less a farm system with prospects like Montero/Sanchez/Romine/Betances/Stoneburner/Ramirez.

    His best trait is probably when it comes to the trade market, but none of this matters, considering the dude gets nailed for every "mistake" he makes and gets no credit for the positives.

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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    "giving International free agents deals worth in the millions."

    i guess you are not in the ifa thread all that much.
    always reasonable

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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by JSG
    ka-ching !! and what if they had determined that montero wasn't gonna cut it as a C and might take a few more yrs to develop, and maybe not rage as a young miguel cabrera as widely touted ?? maybe they did a great job of hyping montero and maybe cashman is smartly selling high. dunno, but the fact that they were previously willing to deal montero for doc leads me to conclude they may believe he's overvalued at this point.

    if cashman thinks like that he's dumb. they didnt need to hype montero, his bat did all the talking
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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by JSG
    ka-ching !! and what if they had determined that montero wasn't gonna cut it as a C and might take a few more yrs to develop, and maybe not rage as a young miguel cabrera as widely touted ?? maybe they did a great job of hyping montero and maybe cashman is smartly selling high. dunno, but the fact that they were previously willing to deal montero for doc leads me to conclude they may believe he's overvalued at this point.
    Since players in the past of been leary about playing in NY. (Even CC needed a little convincing) maybe by getting Lee now he will see how great it will be to play here making it easier to sign him to a long term contract after the season.

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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Romine has impressed the daylights out of the Yanks this year, but I'm pretty certain that is almost irrelevant. Nobody believe Montero is going to catch, or at least stick at catcher for any length of time. So what you are looking at is a potential monster stick with no position. If he doesn't become a star with the bat (and I'm not sure there's any way to say that possibility is more than 50% that he does), he holds little value.

    Lee is an absolute ace. Acquiring him gives the Yanks a rotation that isn't even close to the second best in the majors. I mean.....a guy who is 11-2 with a 2.70 era and may start the AS game is a clear #3 starter, and there are legitimately six guys who would be aces on at least a few teams.

    If Lee bolts (and I would bet the Yanks throw the kitchen sink at him and he stays if he is traded for), they get two likely excellent picks in the most stocked draft in years. Of course that's a worst-case scenario, but it's still not a situation where you are left holding an empty bag (plus you also don't LOSE your pick if/when you sign him now, which is valuable as well).

    The Yanks are close to dealing for a top 5 starting pitcher and while they are trading away an elite offensive prospect, that prospect almost certainly will never play a crucial position on the diamond. He almost has to be Miguel Cabrera or Manny Ramirez for this to be a horrible deal. And if they win the WS this year again? He could be Ted Williams and you could defend the trade.

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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by teknetic
    His best trait is probably when it comes to the trade market, but none of this matters, considering the dude gets nailed for every "mistake" he makes and gets no credit for the positives.
    maybe for some people, but ignoring that there's a large section of Yankee fans who, every time something goes wrong, rush to put the blame on someone who isn't Brian Cashman - whether that be the Tampa Faction, Hank, George, or Levine - and when something goes right, it's all "Ca$hmoney is such a ninja!", while giving no potential credit elsewhere, isn't exactly right either.

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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by ppa79
    Are you serious?

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    Damon (when they first signed him)
    Matsui
    Arod

    Its about having the money to sign these guys. The Yankees generate so much money that they can afford it. What skill does it take to offer the premier free agents the most money?
    So basically, you don't want a GM.

    -They can't spend their money on elite FA talent, that would be a clear showcase of having no ability as an actual GM.
    -They're only allowed to improve their team through trades (can't be trades which involve salary dumps)
    -They must penny-pinch in the IFA market (can't outbid anyone for a Montero type prospect)

    Once you find someone capable of doing all of this, let us know because he sure as hell doesn't exist in any of the major sports.


    Quote Originally Posted by unfamous loser
    maybe for some people, but ignoring that there's a large section of Yankee fans who, every time something goes wrong, it's someone who isn't Brian Cashman's fault - whether that be the Tampa Faction, Hank, Hal, Levine, etc. - and when something goes right, it's all "Ca$hmoney is such a ninja!", while giving no potential credit elsewhere isn't exactly right either.
    I was more in line referring to the tools who nailed him for the Swisher and Vasquez trades and then went into hiding when both started performing.

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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    would not defend trade even if we win ws with lee, if montero turned out to be ted williams.
    always reasonable

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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Montero will remain a Yankee. Seattle has backed off.

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    Deal is off!

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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by teknetic
    So basically, you don't want a GM.

    -They can't spend their money on elite FA talent, that would be a clear showcase of having no ability as an actual GM.
    -They're only allowed to improve their team through trades (can't be trades which involve salary dumps)
    -They must penny-pinch in the IFA market (can't outbid anyone for a Montero type prospect)
    I didn't say that I don't want the Yankees to spend. But lets not make out Cash to be a genius. Without the Yankee financial advantage, they probably don't sign Burnett, Tex, and CC last year. Maybe 1 of the 2 or 2 of the 3, but not all 3.

    A large part of the Yankee success is due to the ability for the Yankees to outspend everyone. And anytime they make a mistake, like they did with Igawa they can afford to stash him in AAA and not think about him anymore.
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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Yankees1962
    Deal is off!
    Huh, what?
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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by ppa79
    Huh, what?
    you're not keeping up...
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