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    when the going gets tough ... JSG's Avatar
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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by teknetic View Post
    I look at the Rangers and weep. They're a much, much more complete team. Blind bid and all, making a strong push for Darvish would have weakened a pretty lethal team that just let their ace go.

    Does this team have a #5 starter?
    bidding squat for darvish is the move that hurts the most to me, both in shooting for another ace (only money, no lux tax on posting fee etc), and in retrospect keeping him off texas.

    re #5 we're back in ST. Phil, Freddy, Phelps and other yutes. I'd go w Phelps but that puts DJ Mitchell in the pen and more trial by fire. Post-Mo, maybe Phil to the pen makes even more sense now. Hopefully Phelps can hold down #5 and last pen spot is Freddy or DJ.

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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Another poor decision outside of signing Garcia instead of Colon, was letting Luis Ayala go. He's been outstanding thus far with the Orioles and was really good for us last year as well.

    825K should have been well worth the gamble he repeats 2011.

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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by StaleMilk View Post
    Another poor decision outside of signing Garcia instead of Colon, was letting Luis Ayala go. He's been outstanding thus far with the Orioles and was really good for us last year as well.

    825K should have been well worth the gamble he repeats 2011.
    At the time he had Mo, Robertson, Soriano, Joba, Logan and guys like Phelps in the system. Who would you have dumped to keep Ayala?

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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by False1 View Post
    At the time he had Mo, Robertson, Soriano, Joba, Logan and guys like Phelps in the system. Who would you have dumped to keep Ayala?
    A useless LOOGY.

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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Still glad he's our GM.
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  6. #9881

    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Is Cashman dragging his balls with Pettitte?

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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by JSG View Post
    bidding squat for darvish is the move that hurts the most to me,
    I'd be willing to bet that order came from above Cashman

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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by snapple View Post
    Is Cashman dragging his balls with Pettitte?
    Pettitte's last two outings have not been that great.

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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by MoVaughnEatsAlot View Post
    I'd be willing to bet that order came from above Cashman
    I have no idea where it came from, but it seems pretty consistent with paring the payroll to $189 million to save a bunch on revenue sharing, so I wouldn't make that assumption unless you have some better info.
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  10. #9885

    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by teknetic View Post
    I look at the Rangers and weep. They're a much, much more complete team. Blind bid and all, making a strong push for Darvish would have weakened a pretty lethal team that just let their ace go.

    Does this team have a #5 starter?
    I wonder how far along the Yankees were in the Pineda/Montero talks when the Darvish bid was due, or if they had talked at all.


  11. #9886

    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    I didnt see the last one, but I knew the one before that he said he was being more aggressive than he would have been. IDK. Call him up.

  12. #9887

    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by awy View Post
    let's be serious here, girardi really messed up there. rested bullpen at end of season


    if the manager is not bad at using his dudes drob would be throwing 1 inning per game at the very least, and he can go 2 easily if asked. if you have a guy like drob, then you can say there is some untapped production from strategy improvement. then the burden is on the manager to do the right thing.
    I agree, he should be used more. But Girardi has shown that he doesn't use him well, and I'm not sure that will change, though I hope it does.


  13. #9888

    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    From the comments on an ESPN article about Andy's most recent start:

    5 innings, and 3 earned runs is better than

    1.) Every start by Garcia.
    2.) 5/6 of Hughes starts.
    3.) Phelps' one start.

    Give this man a uniform, and stick him on the mound.
    I agree.
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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Coffee View Post
    From the comments on an ESPN article about Andy's most recent start:



    I agree.
    I wish I could make that more bold.

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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Yankee Fan in Boston View Post
    I have no idea where it came from, but it seems pretty consistent with paring the payroll to $189 million to save a bunch on revenue sharing, so I wouldn't make that assumption unless you have some better info.
    Of course it does, and you don't think that decision was made by people above Cashman?

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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by MoVaughnEatsAlot View Post
    Of course it does, and you don't think that decision was made by people above Cashman?
    Apologies -- I completely misread your post. Strike mine from the record -- agree with you
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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    While we are betting I'd bet Andy has as much say as anyone on this.

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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by MoVaughnEatsAlot View Post
    I'd be willing to bet that order came from above Cashman
    I'm of two brains on this one. A big part of it, i assume, is Hal trying to get to the magic $189MM number in year or two, but it could also have been Cashman not wanting to stick it out after past Asian busts. Like YFIB said, hard to say and might be a while before we find out the skinny.

  19. #9894

    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Just reminding everyone Cashman dumped AJ Burnett in the offseason.

    That alone gets the thumbs up from me.

    On Darvish. Even if normally Cashman has a lot of flexibility on the payroll, an upfront payment involves finance side and certainly requires special permission from the owners.

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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Good work passing on Ubaldo. Yikes.

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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by dabomb2045 View Post
    I feel worse right now. The 2008 team just wasnt very good and didnt deserve to be in the playoffs...plus there was the 2009 FA market to look forward to.
    We were DESTROYED with injuries in 2008. Wang went down, Ponson and Rasner made 35 starts for us, and we had so many injuries, we need Dan Giese to pitch for us- and he got injured after 3 stars. We even had Kei Igawa make a start two Heck, I remember people counting down the days until Pavano could make a few starts for us (and he did)

    Offensively, this was the year after Posada's incredible 2007 (where he would have been MVP if not for Arod's historic year) and he went down hard with injuries. There were some other big injuries too. IIRC, Arod and Jeter both went down (mind you, this is when they were both huge contributors)



    Quote Originally Posted by 89FoxBody View Post
    Joba for Haren and Nunez for Cliff Lee are looking like 2 of the worst non-trades in recent history right about now.
    The Haren one is one I just don't understand. That's about the only one I'll judge because at the time, it was clearly a huge win.
    A fool and his money can throw one heck of a party!

  22. #9897

    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by grizy View Post
    Just reminding everyone Cashman dumped AJ Burnett in the offseason.

    That alone gets the thumbs up from me.
    Hmm. Can't say that I agree. First, he signed him to that ridiculous 5yr/$82.5M contract, got mediocre to crap pitching out of him for three years (no big surprise) and is now paying $11.5M this year and $8.5M next year toward his contract to not play for him.

    Not exactly something you'd highlight on your résumé.


  23. #9898

    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Wei-Yin Chen
    3 years/$11.388M (2012-14), plus 2015 option

    Would be nice to have a GM with that kind of talent evaluation.

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    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by StaleMilk View Post
    Wei-Yin Chen
    3 years/$11.388M (2012-14), plus 2015 option

    Would be nice to have a GM with that kind of talent evaluation.
    Yeah, I really wish the Yankees FO was more like the Orioles FO.

    FWIW - David Phelps has approximated Chen's numbers this season, and he's doing it for a heck of a lot cheaper.

    Other than that, great point.

  25. #9900

    Re: Brian Cashman Performance Thread 2.0

    Quote Originally Posted by False1 View Post
    Yeah, I really wish the Yankees FO was more like the Orioles FO.

    FWIW - David Phelps has approximated Chen's numbers this season, and he's doing it for a heck of a lot cheaper.

    Other than that, great point.
    You know Freddy Garcia was signed for 4m and Hiroki Kuroda was signed for 10m?

    Compare him to FAs the Yankees signed instead. I'm not advocating avoiding using our mL system.

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