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    Did the 2009 championship soften your memory of 2004?

    Speaking for myself, 2004 was the worst moment in my 3 1/2 decades of following Yankee baseball. Since then, I can admit that I feared the possibility of some kind of hex placed on them (perhaps in the form of a subconscious can't-win syndrome) as "punishment" for blowing the 3-0 lead.

    Until this year, I was bothered by the lack of any successful postseason runs since '04. Not even a single playoff series was won during that time. I was worried.

    And when I would have the misfortune of thinking back to the 2004 debacle, the recent lack of success made that memory continue to stay alive for me, like it is still causing problems.

    Even this year, until the final out, 2004 was still nawing at me, as if to say "They won't win another WS, Ha Ha Ha"). I lacked the cautious confidence that marked the World Series I followed in earlier years. Was the Yankees great run of Championships a 20th century thing? Would the 21st be a downer in the Bronx? Would the new stadium take in the fabled Yankee greatness, as did both versions of the old one? Was A-rod the cause of the bad karma? Did blood from Curt Shilling's sock seep into the hallowed Bronx soil?

    When Cano flipped the last out to Texiera in Game 6, I was exhilarated, like Yankee fans everywhere. But most of all, I was relieved! No Yankee curse! The championships live on! Yeah!!!!

    Now if I think of 2004, it stands as a real lousy postseason embarassment. Nothing more. (There have been other bad postseasons, after all.)

    OK, I am ready for 2010 now. I am looking for #28 (and #8 of my lifetime and fanhood).

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    Re: Did the 2009 championship soften your memory of 2004?

    Who cares about 2004? A roided team, incompetent managing, and bad luck all conspired to beat us. The fix was in.
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    Re: Did the 2009 championship soften your memory of 2004?

    I have had to endure teaching in a public high school full of 1800 Red Sox fans (students and co-workers), and have had to listen to it, for the past five years. This year the silence coming out of the Red Sox fans was the sweetest sound one can imagine.

    Also, my new seats are great and on top of that, it was my first time attending at World Series. All things considered, yes, this season made up for it all.
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    Re: Did the 2009 championship soften your memory of 2004?

    What happened in 2004?
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    Re: Did the 2009 championship soften your memory of 2004?

    In all honesty, it did. I can type "2004" again!

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    Re: Did the 2009 championship soften your memory of 2004?

    i got over it in 2005.
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    Re: Did the 2009 championship soften your memory of 2004?

    I haven't thought about 2004 in ages. It doesn't even bother me at this point........ I enjoyed the 2009 season on its own merits

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    Re: Did the 2009 championship soften your memory of 2004?

    The only time I think about 2004 is when we play Boston. Other than that, I dont even come close to being bothered about it.

    2001 and 2003 bothers me more than 2004 ever could.
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    Re: Did the 2009 championship soften your memory of 2004?

    Quote Originally Posted by b_joseph
    The only time I think about 2004 is when we play Boston. Other than that, I dont even come close to being bothered about it.

    2001 and 2003 bothers me more than 2004 ever could.
    Not sure about 2003, but 2001 was ten times worse than 2004.
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    Re: Did the 2009 championship soften your memory of 2004?

    Quote Originally Posted by b_joseph
    The only time I think about 2004 is when we play Boston. Other than that, I dont even come close to being bothered about it.

    2001 and 2003 bothers me more than 2004 ever could.
    Agreed.

    '01 was hard to take since it was right there for the taking and in the span of about 5 minutes it was ripped away at the end. They have been showing the final hit on a lot of end of decade highlight reels and whenever I see that blooper land right where Jeter should've been standing if Torre had them at double play depth, it makes me cringe. Especially losing to the ultra-douche duo of Schilling & Mark Grace, hate them both.

    '03 was tough because after the high of beating the sox, they seemed to be in a bit of a boston hangover and got picked off by an inferior team. Plus the memory of the extra inning walk-off HR off of Weaver. My wife can't even look at him much less hear his name mentioned to this day. Then another ultra-douche (Beckett) just owning us in the final game. Watch him become a Yankee now that I just douched him, I'll have to recant that.

    For some reason that I can't really explain, 2004 does bother me but not nearly to the extent that these others do. Maybe I have the feeling they were more deserving in '01 & '03 than in '04. I don't know, hard to explain.
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    Re: Did the 2009 championship soften your memory of 2004?

    Quote Originally Posted by Yankees13
    Not sure about 2003, but 2001 was ten times worse than 2004.
    While 2001 was brutal, 2004 for me was much worse. So many chances to put that 04 ALCS away and the Yankees just couldn't do it.

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    Re: Did the 2009 championship soften your memory of 2004?

    Time, more than anything else, has softened the blow. Losing the "1918" chant forever in the fashion we did will always suck. I'll never forgive Joe Torre for leaving El Duque sitting on his hands all night.
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    Re: Did the 2009 championship soften your memory of 2004?

    I was recovering from cancer surgery in October, 2004 and still on pain killers. I have always assumed that I hallucinated everything that I've been told happened then. 2001 really hurt, but then again the 5th game of the World Series in 1964 was the only baseball game that actually produced tears, so nothing's really equalled that. If you know about 1964 you know what an unending pleasure it is for me to hear Tim McCarver's voice every October.
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    Re: Did the 2009 championship soften your memory of 2004?

    Quote Originally Posted by fredgmuggs
    What happened in 2004?
    whenever somebody brings that up, i usually just got "2004 never happened" or i say "what happened in 2004?". honestly, it still irks me a little but after watching 9 innings from ground zero, there was a quote that just made accept what happened in 2001 and 2004. scott brosius said "in a perfect world, the yankees would have won the world series in 2001, but the world isnt perfect."

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    Re: Did the 2009 championship soften your memory of 2004?

    Quote Originally Posted by StingrayJG
    '01 was hard to take since it was right there for the taking and in the span of about 5 minutes it was ripped away at the end. .
    While losing Game 7 in 2001 hurt plenty, the sting was eased by the memories of those middle games, especially Games 4 and 5, and the way we won. I consider 2001 a great WS, which is a tough thing to do when my team loses. Also, in 2001 we were running on 3 in a row and 4/5. I felt we were playing with house money, making losing less awful.

    Also, the D'Backs were not a rival. I did not know a single D'Back fan back then (I have met a small number since then). Losing to them (or the Marlins) does not cut raw like losing to Boston.
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    Re: Did the 2009 championship soften your memory of 2004?

    The memory of 2004 should remain sharp and cold, as a reminder to all Yankee fans of just how fleeting the opportunity to win a World Series is.

    We should never assume that the Yankees are entitled to a dynasty, or even a postseason, and the events since 2000 make us realize just how incredible it is to win even one championship.

    The 2008 season serves to teach us that just as succinctly.

    There is a sense however, that there has been a restoration of the natural order of things (though that may just be my imagination.)
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    Re: Did the 2009 championship soften your memory of 2004?

    2001 still bothers me even more than the 2004 chokefest....because that 2001 team was THE dynasty team that had won 3 straight World Series and was on the verge of the 4 peat in Arizona when Womack, Grace and company started there 9th inning shenanigans
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    Re: Did the 2009 championship soften your memory of 2004?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kentucky Bomber
    I was recovering from cancer surgery in October, 2004 and still on pain killers. I have always assumed that I hallucinated everything that I've been told happened then. 2001 really hurt, but then again the 5th game of the World Series in 1964 was the only baseball game that actually produced tears, so nothing's really equalled that. If you know about 1964 you know what an unending pleasure it is for me to hear Tim McCarver's voice every October.
    I too cried in 1964, I was 10 years old...But the pain of 2004, will always hurt the most because it was the Red Sox..Unfortunately for me when I think of Vasquez returning, I think of him giving up the grandslam .

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    Re: Did the 2009 championship soften your memory of 2004?

    2004 sucked balls, not only cause it was a year after losing a WS to the Marlins but it was losing a 3-0 lead (first in any sport), and it was against our arch rivals and it broke their curse

    either way 2004 will never go away but life goes on, we won #27 and onward to #28 in 2010
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    Re: Did the 2009 championship soften your memory of 2004?

    2001 doesn't bother me so much now because in hindsight, facing Randy Johnson and Curt Schilling in their primes about 5 times in a seven game series...and being an inning away is a miracle to me.

    2003 hurts because we should have smashed those bastards.

    2004...well, after Game 3 the team just went all wrong. Stupid managing decisions didn't help. It sounds mean, and vicious, but getting rid of Torre helped me forget about 04.


    But to answer the question, yes, 09 did soften the blow of 04. This team was so much fun.

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    Re: Did the 2009 championship soften your memory of 2004?

    2004 bothered me the most because we were the first team in baseball to collapse that bad in the postseason. No team in baseball has EVER had a 3 to 0 lead and lose. And having that done to us by our arch rivals made it even more worse. I know every team in sports has collapsed at least once in their history, but 2004 was particularly bad for the reasons above. And plus every Red Sox fan & Yankee hater came out of the woodworks trying to prove now that the Yankees are now curse and will never win a championship again.

    So not only did the 2009 Championship soften what happened in 2004, it shut all the Yankee haters up and it reminded them and some Yankee fans of who the Yankees are....The Greatest Dynasty in ALL of sports.

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    Re: Did the 2009 championship soften your memory of 2004?

    Quote Originally Posted by Yankees13
    Not sure about 2003, but 2001 was ten times worse than 2004.
    2001 was to a 'roided team as well....probably 2003 Marlins as well.
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    Re: Did the 2009 championship soften your memory of 2004?

    Quote Originally Posted by Meecham4ever
    2001 was to a 'roided team as well....probably 2003 Marlins as well.
    The "extra muscle" probably got Gonzalez's flare over Jeter.
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    Re: Did the 2009 championship soften your memory of 2004?

    The 2009 championship eliminated 2004 from my memory.
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    Re: Did the 2009 championship soften your memory of 2004?

    Quote Originally Posted by BroadwayBomber55
    The 2009 championship eliminated 2004 from my memory.
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