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12-27-09 11:33 AM #101
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Re: Here's an idea for LF....Derek Jeter....!
IMHO Jeter has a few good years left as a SS. After that, who knows? My guess is that if the team would benefit by moving him to the outfield, he would do it.
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12-27-09 04:26 PM #102
Re: Here's an idea for LF....Derek Jeter....!
Originally Posted by yankeeman61
Ahahahahaha!!!! Father Time you hear that? There is nothing you can do to thwart Jetes, nothing at all...he will just do...whatever it takes. So there, go peddle your aging shtick somewhere else...Jetes isn't buying it. What will it take to get that through your head? Because obviously this has nothing to do with nature and is some type of logic problem that you seem to not quite have the grasp of.Che Rodriguez - Freedom Fighter
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12-27-09 10:30 PM #103
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Re: Here's an idea for LF....Reed Johnson & B. Gardner
Is it a slow night on the NYYFans board that there is a discussion of moving Derek Jeter to Left Field? I watched just about every game the Yankees played last season except for some that weren't on because of FOX on Saturday. And I thought Jeter had a great season both offensively and defensively. So if it works, why try to fix it?
Right now, the Yankees are looking for a companion piece to alternate with Brett Gardner in left field, hopefully Reed Johnson who hits lefties well. When the time comes, I'm sure they'll find a place for Jeter to play just like they moved the great Mickey Mantle to 1st base. In fact, DiMaggio got moved to 1st base, but he retired shortly afterwards. Meanwhile, some of you sound like Jeter will probably be in need of a wheelchair a few years down the road.
It's not worth discussing right now. With Jeter looking for a new contract, the topic will probably come up in negotiations and I'm sure things will work out fine. But for the immediate future, Jeter is our Captain and our Shortstop. End of discussion. Moderator, please close this thread. Thank you.[B][SIZE=3]I enjoyed the 2009 Yankees team probably more so than some of the teams that won the World Series in the past. We just never quit!!! [/SIZE][/B]
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12-29-09 10:11 AM #104
Re: Here's an idea for LF....Derek Jeter....!
Originally Posted by Nome
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12-29-09 05:51 PM #105
Re: Here's an idea for LF....Derek Jeter....!
It wouldn't be the off-season without our traditional 'Jeter to the outfield' post.
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12-29-09 08:48 PM #106
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Re: Here's an idea for LF....Derek Jeter....!
Originally Posted by yankeeman61
Hanley Ramirez.
HRam's contract is affordable this season, but hits $11M in 2011- which would be something along the lines of 1/3 to 1/2 of the Marlin's payroll. At the same time, Josh Johnson and Nolasco get very expensive through arbitration after this season. The Marlins know that much of their ability to remain competitive is in the pitching- which means they are vital players.
Here's a thought- assuming the Yanks do not make any more major trades this season involving prospects or younger guys, here is one scenario:
The Yanks could approach the Marlins in September about a deal starting with Montero and Joba, and ask the Marlins about who else would need to be in such a deal for HRam. It might take till the December meetings to get the ball moving, but assuming that Montero and Joba continue to impress, that would be the basis of a solid offer for HRam.
Keep in mind for the Marlins that they would get a cost-controlled power hitter at a difficult position to fill (C), another power arm that the Marlins value so highly (Joba), and then likely 2-3 good prospects added in.
At the same time, the Marlins would get the cost savings while getting numerous valuable players- allowing them to keep other younger players (Josh Johnson and Ricky Nolasco) for several more years- or allow them to move one for more key pieces.
I think the Marlins recognize that HRam is a core component, but when you can get several players who could be as important in a couple years, they might make the move.
For the Yanks, the benefits are obvious- young SS, big bat, speed and athleticism. The costs would be very high, but bringing in such a major player would likely silence any criticism from all but the Jeter apologists.
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12-29-09 08:52 PM #107
Re: Here's an idea for LF....Reed Johnson & B. Gardner
Originally Posted by JOE COOL
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12-30-09 08:56 AM #108
Re: Here's an idea for LF....Derek Jeter....!
Jeter will get next contract with Yankees ... He will stay at Shortstop for sure until 3000 hits after that it depends on his defense.Why we have to have this same discussion over and over again
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12-30-09 03:28 PM #109
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Re: Here's an idea for LF....Derek Jeter....!
Why would Jeter's hit total have anything to do with his defensive position?
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01-31-10 05:21 AM #110
Re: Here's an idea for LF....Reed Johnson & B. Gardner
Originally Posted by MooseDaGun
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01-31-10 06:49 AM #111
Re: Here's an idea for LF....Reed Johnson & B. Gardner
Originally Posted by Stick Michael
AndyYogi is a National Treasure. Let's put him in a National Hall of Fame. The man has no peers.
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01-31-10 09:26 AM #112
Re: Here's an idea for LF....Derek Jeter....!
Originally Posted by Matsui55
Bring tea for the Tillerman; Steak for the son; Wine for the woman
who made the rain come; Seagulls sing your hearts away;
'Cause while the sinners sin, the children play ...
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01-31-10 09:43 AM #113
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Re: Here's an idea for LF....Derek Jeter....!
Originally Posted by Matsui55
"Well guess what? He's dead. You just signed a dead guy." --pleasepassthesoup
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01-31-10 07:45 PM #114
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Re: Here's an idea for LF....Derek Jeter....!
Originally Posted by ShaneTravis
Cashman refused to give up 4 for Santana, and apparently offered Montero straight up for Halladay. These were the correct moves NOT to make those trades for two reasons. One- pitching, IMO, is more risky than position players- blow out an arm, and the pitcher could be out 2 years- a fielder might miss a season. Two- they were both already 30+.
HRam is MUCH younger, and at the second hardest position to fill offensively with high quality (C being the most difficult IMO).
Let's just assume for a moment that Cashman makes a deal for HRam this coming winter. On opening day 2011, HRam will be 27 years old- and will be all season. Since HRam is an excellent hitter in addition to being a very good basestealer, one can assume a Jeter like career progression, where he runs less, but the bat maintains the potentcy. In short, you can project 10+ years of useful play out of HRam.
That is the sort of player you can legitimately build a team around for a decade. It is VERY hard to project any player in the minors to a 10+ year career- projecting Montero is fun to do, but unless you are absolutely SURE he is a ML C, he really doesn't project to one of the hard to fill positions (he's a 1B/DH if he's not a C).
If you are Cashman, you do have to seriously consider Montero plus 3 other guys for a cornerstone player.
Think about it- you would have Cano and HRam up the middle well into the next decade, along with Tex at 1B for most of that time. ARod will eventually DH during that time. Assuming that the Yanks can find a starting C in the batch of prospects they have, that leaves the OF spots and 3B as needs (ignoring the pitching for now). That's better than looking at a series of substandard SS and shifting INF.
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01-31-10 09:53 PM #115
Re: Here's an idea for LF....Derek Jeter....!
Originally Posted by Matsui55
Besides, given Cash's reluctance to trade young arms (Joba/Hughes, at least one of whom along with Montero would need to be included in a package for HRam)), it's highly unlikely we would trade for HRam.
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01-31-10 09:54 PM #116
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Re: Here's an idea for LF....Derek Jeter....!
I love the idea that you can guarantee a 27-year-old shortstop's performance for ten years. Somebody ask Nomar about that.
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01-31-10 10:17 PM #117
Re: Here's an idea for LF....Derek Jeter....!
Originally Posted by Matsui55
Originally Posted by Matsui55
Is this part of that law of averages you were telling us all about?A fool and his money can throw one heck of a party!
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02-01-10 11:48 AM #118
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Re: Here's an idea for LF....Derek Jeter....!
Originally Posted by I'm A Wenner!
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02-01-10 08:16 PM #119
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Re: Here's an idea for LF....Derek Jeter....!
Originally Posted by yankee82093
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...amirha01.shtml
Scroll to the bottom.
There is nothing "unique" about projecting 10+ years of useful play from a 27 year old player. After 10 years, he's 37. There are DOZENS of useful 37 year old players in MLB.
In fact, let's put up HRam's numbers:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...amirha01.shtml
And Derek Jeter's numbers:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...eterde01.shtml
In fact, they are similar players- looking at a similar age, they are both good OBP and good power hitters, who hit for high BA. Of course, HRam's speed isn't likely to age well- but Jeter has only had 2 30 SB seasons in his 30's. We could project similar loss of speed for HRam.
Furthermore, we could even project some loss in power for HRam, and he's STILL be a good hitter. In short, he is a HITTER, not just a speed guy. Hitters age better- and at 26 right now, we can easily project 10 years on his career. Will all of those be All Star or HOF level? Who knows, but there is NOTHING unreasonable about projecting 10 more years for a player of HRam's skills when he is 26.
Nonetheless, he would be a cornerstone player well into the projectable future- with his prime years arriving now.
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02-01-10 08:23 PM #120
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Re: Here's an idea for LF....Derek Jeter....!
Originally Posted by ThePinStripes
My point about Montero (and all minor leaguers) was clear. You can't project a ML career on a minor leaguer. My exact words: "It is VERY hard to project any player in the minors to a 10+ year career." In short, you have to get to the bigs before we can assume a useful or long career.
As for the comparison to Jeter of HRam, that isn't just me:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...amirha01.shtml
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02-01-10 09:28 PM #121
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Re: Here's an idea for LF....Derek Jeter....!
Originally Posted by Matsui55
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04-25-12 08:47 AM #123
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Re: Here's an idea for LF....Derek Jeter....!
yup, this thread is funny with everyone predicting that Jeter would be washed up by now. Clearly the pressure of 3,000 got to him and it screwed with him, now that he's clear from that its not a problem
The real reason why the Yankees keep winning is cause the other team can't stop staring at the damn pinstripes
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04-25-12 10:03 AM #124
Re: Here's an idea for LF....Derek Jeter....!
Let's not jinx it! but yea jeet really is owning father time, its going to be interesting to see how the next 2-3 years pan out, i really don't want to think about the day i don't see the number 2 on the field.
I'd like to thank the good Lord for making me a Yankee fan
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