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    Do you agree with Beating the Bushes Top 10

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    I agree with most of it. Bleich should be lower.

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    I don't think Dunn, Bleich, or Brackman belong in the top 10. Dunn is the worst -- a 24-year old reliever walking 6 guys per 9 innings wouldn't make even the worst farm system's top 10.

    I like Bleich and Brackman a lot less than most around here it seems of course. Mitchell I don't know enough about to say, but I think he's a fair choice. I'd put Vizcaino and probably Heredia above him though.
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    Bleich and Dunn definitely aren't in the top 10. Viz and DeLeon almost certainly should be.

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    I like 1-5, but then it gets bad.

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    Not even Vizcaino's name in the article? I see they have DeLeon so I figured Vizcaino would get a mention.

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    The bottom half of that list is pathetic. The problem is top 10 lists are dominated by upper level players and the Yankees are really lacking in quality depth at the upper levels. Any organization with a Bliech and a Dunn in ANYBODY'S Top 10 list is evidence that there is a ways to go in restocking the system. It's a far cry short of what the do-gooders here would have you believe.

    Getting back to Bliech, I can't remember the last time there has been so much optimism surrounding a stiff. Talk about throwing away a high draft pick. He's gotten hit hard throughout his College and Pro career. His numbers shout out "lefty, poop tosser."

    And Cashman really helped this cause by trading Tabata for a nondescript, veteren outfielder and a over-the-hill lefty specialist. Neither will help the Yankees win one significant game. And the brilliant GM (brilliant, as with the guiness guys) compounded that short-sighted travesty by offering the lefty has-been an albatross contact extention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by what's up doc?
    The bottom half of that list is pathetic. The problem is top 10 lists are dominated by upper level players and the Yankees are really lacking in quality depth at the upper levels. Any organization with a Bliech and a Dunn in ANYBODY'S Top 10 list is evidence that there is a ways to go in restocking the system. It's a far cry short of what the do-gooders here would have you believe.

    Getting back to Bliech, I can't remember the last time there has been so much optimism surrounding a stiff. Talk about throwing away a high draft pick. He's gotten hit hard throughout his College and Pro career. His numbers shout out "lefty, poop tosser."

    And Cashman really helped this cause by trading Tabata for a nondescript, veteren outfielder and a over-the-hill lefty specialist. Neither will help the Yankees win one significant game. And the brilliant GM (brilliant, as with the guiness guys) compounded that short-sighted travesty by offering the lefty has-been an albatross contact extention.
    Agreed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by what's up doc?
    The bottom half of that list is pathetic. The problem is top 10 lists are dominated by upper level players and the Yankees are really lacking in quality depth at the upper levels. Any organization with a Bliech and a Dunn in ANYBODY'S Top 10 list is evidence that there is a ways to go in restocking the system. It's a far cry short of what the do-gooders here would have you believe.
    I agree that the Yankees are lacking in upper level players. However I don't think you can judge our system by one clearly uninformed sports writer. I'm mean his reasoning for putting Bleich number 6 tells you he knows next to nothing about our system beyond the top 5: "Bleich hasn't been particularly effective with Trenton, but because he's been able to take the ball throughout this season, he is next on this list." - Since when has simply taking the mound been enough?

    Quote Originally Posted by what's up doc?
    Getting back to Bliech, I can't remember the last time there has been so much optimism surrounding a stiff. Talk about throwing away a high draft pick. He's gotten hit hard throughout his College and Pro career. His numbers shout out "lefty, poop tosser."

    And Cashman really helped this cause by trading Tabata for a nondescript, veteren outfielder and a over-the-hill lefty specialist. Neither will help the Yankees win one significant game. And the brilliant GM (brilliant, as with the guiness guys) compounded that short-sighted travesty by offering the lefty has-been an albatross contact extention.
    I agree I'm not terribly impressed with Bliech. However if I recall there wasn't some stud prospect that fell to us in the supplemental round. There were probably better options to choose from in hindsight, but Bleich is not as bad as you make him out to be. His numbers are not terrific but he has made his way to AA quite quickly. Still not enough to put him in consideration for the top 10.

    Tabata needed to go because with his attitude he was never going to make it in this organization. In hindsight would any of us re-do that trade? No of course not. Nady is out for the year, Marte has been ineffective and we re-signed him for too much, and we didn't make the playoffs last year. That deal was made in an effort to make the playoffs last year. Yes, that didn't work out, but was it the wrong call at the time I don't think you can say it was. Most thought we got the better end of that deal when it went down.

    Going back to Tabata as a player he is still a corner OF with no power. I know it could feasibly come at any time, but as a 20 year old he still has the same slugging percentage that he had at age 16.

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    To be honest, I'm starting to think Jackson should be farther down the list ... of course saying that might get me shot 'round these parts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gusto
    To be honest, I'm starting to think Jackson should be farther down the list ... of course saying that might get me shot 'round these parts.
    Not unless you post good reasons why. If you stick to a post like this with nothing to back it up, it won't be well received.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gusto
    To be honest, I'm starting to think Jackson should be farther down the list ... of course saying that might get me shot 'round these parts.
    you really think we have better prospects than jackson besides montero?
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    you really think we have better prospects than jackson besides montero?
    I like Jackson a lot ... don't get me wrong.

    I would rate him the second most valuable asset in Cashman's inventory (current trade value wise). If that equates to second best prospect, then I withdraw my statement ... but I think "better prospect" means more than trade value.

    Right now his AAA numbers look like Brett Gardner with less speed and less plate discipline. I think his K rate is a real obstacle and is the type of thing that could railroad his career.

    I know he's extremely athletic and toolsy, but he hasn't progressed much since his breakout ... yet. I honestly think Romine will have a longer and more productive ML career, and would rate Romine ahead of Jackson.
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    considering jackson is bigger and more physical i really dont see the comparison to gardner. so he is one of the youngest players in AAA and he isnt hitting for power? id say he has progressed plenty since his breakout. he isnt hitting for the same power, but he has handeled the upper minors fine so far. the trenton park masked most of his power last year (.332 slg at home vs. 496 on the road) and now he is facing experienced pitchers in AAA and hasnt been turning on them yet. theres no point ranking someone who can barely take a BB and is in High A over someone like jackson.


    BTW, Jackson just won best batting prospect in the IL
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    Any top 10 list that doesn't even mention the Viz is not worth wasting time over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melan-cynic
    Any top 10 list that doesn't even mention the Viz is not worth wasting time over.
    This.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melan-cynic
    Any top 10 list that doesn't even mention the Viz is not worth wasting time over.
    True. The Viz is definitely top 10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmxstreetrider86
    considering jackson is bigger and more physical i really dont see the comparison to gardner. so he is one of the youngest players in AAA and he isnt hitting for power? id say he has progressed plenty since his breakout. he isnt hitting for the same power, but he has handeled the upper minors fine so far. the trenton park masked most of his power last year (.332 slg at home vs. 496 on the road) and now he is facing experienced pitchers in AAA and hasnt been turning on them yet. theres no point ranking someone who can barely take a BB and is in High A over someone like jackson.


    BTW, Jackson just won best batting prospect in the IL
    I had no intention of comparing Jackson to Gardner as a whole ... my point was that Jackson's numbes this year look Gardner-esque (Gardner's AAA numbers were pretty good, and I realize Jackson is 2 years younger than Gardner was in AAA).

    My overall feeling about Jackson, and I've felt this way for a year or so now, is the hype exceeds him. I like Jackson a lot. He's a great athlete and very toolsy, and may have a a long productive career in the majors. I just think the hype is beyond his acheivements so far.

    If I had to pick a stat that supports my general feeling, its his K rate. There just aren't many players that have suceeded in the majors that had a high K rate without significant power. I think Jackson's penchant to strikeout is a real obstacle for him. BJ Upton is an exception ... can Jackson be another? I think so, but the hype makes it seem like a given, and I simply don't think it is.

    I think the opposite is true for Romine. He has lately lived in a dark shadow cast by Montero with very little hype. In the end, I think it will be Romine's development that ulimately pushes Montero from catcher to OF/1B/DH, not Montero's play. As for his walks, he doesn't walk much less than Jackson and strikes out way less. I also think Jackson gets ranked above him largely due to Jackson being in AAA and Romine in Tampa. I understand why ... I just don't see a gap between them, like most do.

    BTW, I think there are a number of arms in the Yankee organization who are one breakout year away from catching/passing Jackson on the prospect list, unless he has a terrific 2010.

    I realize I'm in a small minority here, and Jackson can and may prove me very wrong. At that time, I'll happily have a beer and eat some crow. For now, I'm trying to stay a bit guarded regarding his hype.
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    Your original post states that Jackson should be farther down the list. Who would you put ahead of him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CallOfTheCrow
    Your original post states that Jackson should be farther down the list. Who would you put ahead of him?
    As stated, Romine
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    Just Romine?

    Just the way your post sounded, you made it sound like Jackson should barely be top 10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by what's up doc?
    The bottom half of that list is pathetic. The problem is top 10 lists are dominated by upper level players and the Yankees are really lacking in quality depth at the upper levels. Any organization with a Bliech and a Dunn in ANYBODY'S Top 10 list is evidence that there is a ways to go in restocking the system. It's a far cry short of what the do-gooders here would have you believe.

    Getting back to Bliech, I can't remember the last time there has been so much optimism surrounding a stiff. Talk about throwing away a high draft pick. He's gotten hit hard throughout his College and Pro career. His numbers shout out "lefty, poop tosser."

    And Cashman really helped this cause by trading Tabata for a nondescript, veteren outfielder and a over-the-hill lefty specialist. Neither will help the Yankees win one significant game. And the brilliant GM (brilliant, as with the guiness guys) compounded that short-sighted travesty by offering the lefty has-been an albatross contact extention.
    Many of the points you make are valid, and in general I agree with your overall view that the farm system is 1) not as good as many here would like to believe 2) not as good as it should be given the Yankees hugh finacial edge in resources.

    However, to be fair to Cashman and company, we should acknowledge the number of young home grown players on the roster who are making an impact (Joba, Hughes, Cano, Coke, Melky, Gardner, Pena, Robertson, and also Cervelli and Melancon when they were here.) I realize not everyone on that list is an All-star, however they have all contributed in varying degrees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CallOfTheCrow
    Just Romine?

    Just the way your post sounded, you made it sound like Jackson should barely be top 10.
    Most people seem to see a descernible gap between Montero and Jackson and another gap between Jackson and the rest of the pack. I simply think that percieved second gap is largely due to hype and the fact Jackson is in AAA (closer to the majors). I don't see others ahead of Jackson, but I think there are several players bunched up just behind him. I even waiver back and forth between him and Romine, but lately have guarded myself more and more against the Jackson hype.

    By the way, I have always been partial to catchers ... I think solid catchers (offense and defense) are a very rare comodity (more rare than toolsy and athletic types). That is probably much of the difference between my opinion and the masses, right there.

    I'm not trying to bash Jackson at all ... he's a great prospect ... he looks like he'd be fun to watch every day. I do believe his K rate can be an obstacle for him ... not insermountable, but I'd like to see some more improvement there before I succome to the hype ... that's all. Maybe I'm just afraid of getting too attached to him too early and getting my heart broke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CallOfTheCrow
    Just Romine?

    Just the way your post sounded, you made it sound like Jackson should barely be top 10.
    Most people seem to see a descernible gap between Montero and Jackson and another gap between Jackson and the rest of the pack. I simply think that percieved second gap is largely due to hype and the fact Jackson is in AAA (closer to the majors). I don't see others ahead of Jackson, but I think there are several players bunched up just behind him. I even waiver back and forth between him and Romine, but lately have guarded myself more and more against the Jackson hype.

    By the way, I have always been partial to catchers ... I think solid catchers (offense and defense) are a very rare comodity (more rare than toolsy and athletic types). That is probably much of the difference between my opinion and the masses, right there.

    I'm not trying to bash Jackson at all ... he's a great prospect ... he looks like he'd be fun to watch every day. I do believe his K rate can be an obstacle for him ... not insermountable, but I'd like to see some more improvement there before I succome to the hype ... that's all. Maybe I'm just afraid of getting too attached to him too early and getting my heart broke.
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