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    Pawtucket Red Sox blow a 9 run lead in the bottom of the 9th


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    Quite a rough outing for Hansen. 0IP 7R 4ER.

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    I've seen this bullpen in person -- yikes. Friday they had a 2 run lead in the 9th with 2 outs and no one on and couldn't close it out. If my memory is correct, Delcarmen has been in the middle of a lot blown leads.

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    It just goes to show what the future is going to be like!!! hehehe

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    red sox suck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by In Mo I Trust
    Quite a rough outing for Hansen. 0IP 7R 4ER.
    Here's the question - did rushing Hansen to the majors in 2005 and 2006 mess with his head?

    What we don't know - are the Sox changing his delivery? (Same with Delcarmen)

    I'll defer here to Lucen or something who knows about the situation at Pawtucket

    Goes to show - you do have to be careful with prospects (thinking of Whelan here)

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    With Todd Helton having an awesome season so far (.394/.526/.538), the Sox might have screwed up by not letting Delcarmen or Hansen go in that deal...
    “I mean, people knew that Brown was out there, and that Randy was ornery all the time. And Pavano is whoever he is. But if you’re their manager, you can’t go out and write about them like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffWeaverFan
    With Todd Helton having an awesome season so far (.394/.526/.538), the Sox might have screwed up by not letting Delcarmen or Hansen go in that deal...
    I never understood why a player like Delcarmen would have prevented a deal. To me he is just another nondescript bullpen prospect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by In Mo I Trust
    I never understood why a player like Delcarmen would have prevented a deal. To me he is just another nondescript bullpen prospect.
    i think sox fans are just as bad as us yanks fans in overhyping prospects
    but yeah, i don't know if they're too worried yet seeing as how they have the best record in the al

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffWeaverFan
    With Todd Helton having an awesome season so far (.394/.526/.538), the Sox might have screwed up by not letting Delcarmen or Hansen go in that deal...
    I thought his big contract was also part of the problem but that's a moot point now. I was all for that trade, too. Damn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hlrjr
    red sox suck!
    Read the sig line...nuff said!

    (It was someone else's sig line in another forum, and I asked him if I could use it....he said to go right ahead!)

    Can you figure out what in reads in English??

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    Quote Originally Posted by In Mo I Trust
    I never understood why a player like Delcarmen would have prevented a deal. To me he is just another nondescript bullpen prospect.
    This is the typical overrating that occurs in these parts when a player has local ties. A few years ago it was Ken Ryan and Lou Merloni.

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    I thought his big contract was also part of the problem but that's a moot point now. I was all for that trade, too. Damn.
    Well I agree. The contract is what would have worried me the most if I was a Sox fan or a member of the Sox FO. But, if you can live with the contract, and the Sox FO could, then I'd think you'd have to also live giving up a Manny Delcarmen.
    “I mean, people knew that Brown was out there, and that Randy was ornery all the time. And Pavano is whoever he is. But if you’re their manager, you can’t go out and write about them like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yanks_fan_in_nc
    Read the sig line...nuff said!

    (It was someone else's sig line in another forum, and I asked him if I could use it....he said to go right ahead!)

    Can you figure out what in reads in English??

    ruin the men in red sox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffWeaverFan
    Well I agree. The contract is what would have worried me the most if I was a Sox fan or a member of the Sox FO. But, if you can live with the contract, and the Sox FO could, then I'd think you'd have to also live giving up a Manny Delcarmen.
    And the Rockies were going to eat a lot of it, making the money the Sox owed around 5/45 IIRC. I was surprised the Rockies went that far.

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    Re: Pawtucket Red Sox blow a 9 run lead in the bottom of the 9th

    That's what Hansen gets for letting his friends throw away their Yankee gear after the Sox drafted him. I believe both of these guys are out of options after this year. Could make for some decisions for Theo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hlrjr
    ruin the men in red sox.
    Bingo!

    though, I just changed it up a bit...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donnybaseball72
    That's what Hansen gets for letting his friends throw away their Yankee gear after the Sox drafted him. I believe both of these guys are out of options after this year. Could make for some decisions for Theo.
    hansen can't be out of options, he was only drafted in 05'

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    The Red Sox and Yankees both screwed up those picks. The Red Sox drafted Hansen while we drafted Henry while Hochevar was still available. I still don't understand how you let a talent like Hochevar go by regardless of his contract demands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeter62375
    hansen can't be out of options, he was only drafted in 05'
    I'm not quite sure how the option years work, but I thought you only had 3 option years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by In Mo I Trust
    I'm not quite sure how the option years work, but I thought you only had 3 option years?
    This is Hansen's third option year, but he will qualify for a 4th.

    A player may be eligible for a fourth option year if he has been optioned in three seasons but does not yet have five full seasons of professional experience. A full season is defined as being on an active pro roster for at least 90 days in a season. (If a player is put on the disabled list after earning 60 or more days of service in a single season, his time on the DL is counted.) The 90-day requirement means short-season leagues (New-York Penn, Northwest, Pioneer, Appalachian, Gulf Coast, Arizona Rookie, Dominican and Venezuelan Summer Leagues) do not count as full seasons for the purposes of determining eligibility for a fourth option.
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    Re: Pawtucket Red Sox blow a 9 run lead in the bottom of the 9th

    So Hansen wasn't on a pro roster for 90 days in 2005?

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    Quote Originally Posted by In Mo I Trust
    So Hansen wasn't on a pro roster for 90 days in 2005?
    He does not have 5 full seasons of professional experience and will not after this season. The way I read it is that if your first option year is your first or second professional season, then you will be eligible for a 4th option year.

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    Then why was Willie Mo Pena out of options at the age of 21 after only 3 years of pro ball?
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    Re: Pawtucket Red Sox blow a 9 run lead in the bottom of the 9th

    Quote Originally Posted by scooterfan
    Here's the question - did rushing Hansen to the majors in 2005 and 2006 mess with his head?
    Goes to show - you do have to be careful with prospects (thinking of Whelan here)
    Your point on Hansen is a very valid question. I am in the camp of not rushing gusy through the system, and into the Majors. This may be an issue with a guy like Hansen.

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