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RhodyYanksFan
01-25-06, 10:08 AM
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Starts March 12. About f'n time.

krystl
01-25-06, 10:10 AM
And I was going to cancel HBO. Now I gotta wait till Sopranos ends.

RhodyYanksFan
01-25-06, 10:10 AM
And I was going to cancel HBO. Now I gotta wait till Sopranos ends.

I'm the opposite...I need to get it again.

krystl
01-25-06, 10:13 AM
Well, I meant to cancel it after Six Feet Under ended, but I never did.

Barb51850
01-25-06, 10:15 AM
Hope it's worth the wait.

fredgmuggs
01-25-06, 10:23 AM
The characters on the Sopranos are low life thugs, the dregs of society and yet people watch the show and are entertained by the glorification of the worst element in our society. I just don't get it?

BronxByTheBay
01-25-06, 10:24 AM
Just remember folks - they added episodes to the original slate, so this means they're either going to split up season 6 or have a mini-season 7. The good news is they've either filmed all of them or are in the process of doing so. This means we won't have to wait thirteen years for the follow up episodes.

I thought last season was better than the previous two, but quite frankly it's time to put this baby to bed. I hope they don't try to extend it after this. There's only so many stories this genre can yield and I think Chase has exhausted them all. At this point I'm pretty much sticking around just to see what happens to Tony (my personal bet is that Chris takes him out).

BronxByTheBay
01-25-06, 10:26 AM
The characters on the Sopranos are low life thugs, the dregs of society and yet people watch the show and are entertained by the glorification of the worst element in our society. I just don't get it?

No, you don't. The show doesn't glorify this lifestyle in any way, shape, or form. The show is fairly black and white in its depictions of these people as bad people. However, being that they're not one dimensional we get to see what their behavior does to them as people and vice versa.

RhodyYanksFan
01-25-06, 10:29 AM
At this point I'm pretty much sticking around just to see what happens to Tony (my personal bet is that Chris takes him out).

That's how it has to end. He can't just go on living his life and I don't see the Feds getting to him.

fredgmuggs
01-25-06, 10:30 AM
No, you don't. The show doesn't glorify this lifestyle in any way, shape, or form. The show is fairly black and white in its depictions of these people as bad people. However, being that they're not one dimensional we get to see what their behavior does to them as people and vice versa.

OK "glorification" may have been the wrong word... but it has zero entertainment value to me. I guess that's why the remote was invented? To each his own....

BronxByTheBay
01-25-06, 10:31 AM
That's how it has to end. He can't just go on living his life and I don't see the Feds getting to him.

OR...Chris could finally snap and rollover. The guy came close a few times. All it could take is another perceived slight.

BronxByTheBay
01-25-06, 10:33 AM
OK "glorification" may have been the wrong word... but it has zero entertainment value to me. I guess that's why the remote was invented? To each his own....

Yup. 31 flavors and all of that.

Bub
01-25-06, 11:13 AM
I think they're grooming AJ to place him in the business. The kid is semi-rotten to begin with, and he has the attitude. At first, Tony would object, but over time that would change.

mjdlight
01-25-06, 11:56 AM
Can't wait, though i agree with BronxBytheBay, its time to wrap things up, lest the show end up in a stagmire of mediocrity. :)

BronxByTheBay
01-25-06, 11:57 AM
I think they're grooming AJ to place him in the business. The kid is semi-rotten to begin with, and he has the attitude. At first, Tony would object, but over time that would change.

The problem with that is A.J. is a complete moron with no ambition. The show has repeatedly shown that he's "soft".

RhodyYanksFan
01-25-06, 12:09 PM
I think they're grooming AJ to place him in the business. The kid is semi-rotten to begin with, and he has the attitude. At first, Tony would object, but over time that would change.

Tony has said on the show how he doesn't want his kids to end up like him. He knows he's a bad person and wants better for his kids.


The problem with that is A.J. is a complete moron with no ambition. The show has repeatedly shown that he's "soft".

A.J. would never last in "the life" like his dad. He's a whiny lazy nothing. He's the most annoying character on an otherwise outstanding show. Usually the annoying ones are either funny annoying (Paulie) or killed off (Jackie Jr.)

BronxByTheBay
01-25-06, 12:26 PM
Tony has said on the show how he doesn't want his kids to end up like him. He knows he's a bad person and wants better for his kids.



A.J. would never last in "the life" like his dad. He's a whiny lazy nothing. He's the most annoying character on an otherwise outstanding show. Usually the annoying ones are either funny annoying (Paulie) or killed off (Jackie Jr.)

I actually like what they've done with the kids. They're both been spoiled and act just as you would expect wealthy, spoiled children to act. The fact that Tony is a mobster doesn't seem to impress them, which is a funny running gag.

RhodeyYankee2638
01-25-06, 01:31 PM
OK "glorification" may have been the wrong word... but it has zero entertainment value to me. I guess that's why the remote was invented? To each his own....

So you thought the Godfather and Goodfellas sucked?

mjdlight
01-25-06, 02:31 PM
My two cents on the "mob glorification" issue raised by FredGMuggs:

In my view, the mob scenario is merely the tasty bait Chase uses to lure people to sit down and watch the show. The Sopranos is really not about the Mafia at all. I read the show more as a harsh critique of contemporary American society and values, particularly the upper middle and wealthy classes. It's easy for the audience (which probably skews towards a middle to upper middle class demographic) to condemn Tony because of the lifestyle he leads to get the big house, the trophy wife, and all of the rest of it. But I think Chase's challenge to all of us is to look at ourselves, and more importantly, the organizations many of us work for, and our political leadership and ask ourselves: where are the lines between Tony, and America in its age of unmatched political, economic, social, and military might in the post cold-war era? Are Tony's values really beyond the pale in such a society? This is what I take to be the show's bedrock theme that hides behind the American kabuki masks of the mafia imagery.

In any case, as other posters have pointed out, this show is anything but a mindless glorification of the Mafia. Far, far from it.

BronxByTheBay
01-25-06, 03:33 PM
My two cents on the "mob glorification" issue raised by FredGMuggs:

In my view, the mob scenario is merely the tasty bait Chase uses to lure people to sit down and watch the show. The Sopranos is really not about the Mafia at all. I read the show more as a harsh critique of contemporary American society and values, particularly the upper middle and wealthy classes. It's easy for the audience (which probably skews towards a middle to upper middle class demographic) to condemn Tony because of the lifestyle he leads to get the big house, the trophy wife, and all of the rest of it. But I think Chase's challenge to all of us is to look at ourselves, and more importantly, the organizations many of us work for, and our political leadership and ask ourselves: where are the lines between Tony, and America in its age of unmatched political, economic, social, and military might in the post cold-war era? Are Tony's values really beyond the pale in such a society? This is what I take to be the show's bedrock theme that hides behind the American kabuki masks of the mafia imagery.

In any case, as other posters have pointed out, this show is anything but a mindless glorification of the Mafia. Far, far from it.


I don't think it cuts as deeply as you're suggesting. It's hard for Tony to be a mirror to most people as we don't generally engage in murder and theft. I do think the mob stuff is just a frame to hang the family dynamics, though. The first two seasons were primarily about Tony's relationship with his mother. The last two seasons have focused on his relationship with his wife. Chase is saying more about deteriorating families than suggesting we're all criminals. Sure, the mafia premise allows him to exaggerate for effect (i.e. Carmella's superficial Catholicism in the face of what her husband does - it can be taken as a condemnation of "buffet" Christians).

It's all good stuff in any event. It's funny, but of all the characters on the show I've grown to despise I think Carmella is at the top of the list.

Barb51850
01-25-06, 03:57 PM
I don't think it cuts as deeply as you're suggesting. It's hard for Tony to be a mirror to most people as we don't generally engage in murder and theft. I do think the mob stuff is just a frame to hang the family dynamics, though. The first two seasons were primarily about Tony's relationship with his mother. The last two seasons have focused on his relationship with his wife. Chase is saying more about deteriorating families than suggesting we're all criminals. Sure, the mafia premise allows him to exaggerate for effect (i.e. Carmella's superficial Catholicism in the face of what her husband does - it can be taken as a condemnation of "buffet" Christians).

It's all good stuff in any event. It's funny, but of all the characters on the show I've grown to despise I think Carmella is at the top of the list.

Interesting comments. Being from an Italian background, I find so many of the scenes familiar. There was an episode (I don't remember what season) when Uncle Junior was singing a song in a restaurant, and almost the entire family and associates were present. The song was in Italian, and most of the adults were wiping tears from their eyes while he was singing. The children were sitting there completely bored. The adults were mourning the passing of an era, and the connection to the "old country" which Uncle Junior represented. I found that scene very "Italian" and it could have easily taken place in my grandfather's house.

fredgmuggs
01-25-06, 04:00 PM
So you thought the Godfather and Goodfellas sucked?

I knew someone would bring that up. Yes, I've seen them (and quoted them like everybody else in the world has)... but they're not favorites of mine. You can add Casino, Scareface and a bunch of others to the list as well. The only mob movie I really like is "Bronx Tale". Sorry, but I'm not a fan of the genre. BronxByTheBay hit the nail on the head when he said "Yup. 31 flavors and all of that."

RhodyYanksFan
01-25-06, 04:06 PM
I knew someone would bring that up. Yes, I've seen them (and quoted them like everybody else in the world has)... but they're not favorites of mine. You can add Casino, Scareface and a bunch of others to the list as well. The only mob movie I really like is "Bronx Tale". Sorry, but I'm not a fan of the genre. BronxByTheBay hit the nail on the head when he said "Yup. 31 flavors and all of that."

Yeah, Scareface was a POS film. ;)

BronxByTheBay
01-25-06, 04:11 PM
Interesting comments. Being from an Italian background, I find so many of the scenes familiar. There was an episode (I don't remember what season) when Uncle Junior was singing a song in a restaurant, and almost the entire family and associates were present. The song was in Italian, and most of the adults were wiping tears from their eyes while he was singing. The children were sitting there completely bored. The adults were mourning the passing of an era, and the connection to the "old country" which Uncle Junior represented. I found that scene very "Italian" and it could have easily taken place in my grandfather's house.

That's the other thing I do love about the series - we know these people. Anyone who grew up back east is infinitely familiar with some of the characters and traits of these folks. The obsession with food on the show is hysterical. (Of course, I'd be obsessed too if I were surrounded by that kind of Italian cooking 24/7).

Barb51850
01-25-06, 04:14 PM
That's the other thing I do love about the series - we know these people. Anyone who grew up back east is infinitely familiar with some of the characters and traits of these folks. The obsession with food on the show is hysterical. (Of course, I'd be obsessed too if I were surrounded by that kind of Italian cooking 24/7).

Ah yes, the food -

Comment by AJ when told his grandmother would not be over the house for dinner:

"What? No f**kin' ziti now!?"

BronxByTheBay
01-25-06, 04:19 PM
Ah yes, the food -

Comment by AJ when told his grandmother would not be over the house for dinner:

"What? No f**kin' ziti now!?"

:-rofl-:

You know what KILLS me watching that show from the west coast? The f*cking cold cuts. Watching Tony shove capicola down his throat...I'm so jealous.

Also, Chase has an ear for dialect. I still chuckle when he has the guys on the show pronounce "sandwich" as "SANG-wich".

RhodeyYankee2638
01-25-06, 04:56 PM
I knew someone would bring that up. Yes, I've seen them (and quoted them like everybody else in the world has)... but they're not favorites of mine. You can add Casino, Scareface and a bunch of others to the list as well. The only mob movie I really like is "Bronx Tale". Sorry, but I'm not a fan of the genre. BronxByTheBay hit the nail on the head when he said "Yup. 31 flavors and all of that."

So whats a good movie? Fantasia?

fredgmuggs
01-25-06, 05:03 PM
So whats a good movie? Fantasia?

You're too late. We already had the top 10 movie list thread this off-season. :D

RhodeyYankee2638
01-25-06, 05:25 PM
You're too late. We already had the top 10 movie list thread this off-season. :D

Did we, where?

PlsDontTearDownY.S.
01-25-06, 06:23 PM
It's about time. I want to see the Russian thing revisited this season, anybody else feel the same way?

CoyoteYankee
01-25-06, 07:27 PM
Seriously, I don't freakin' remember anything that happened last season. I probably should have re-watched them but I really didn't want to be bothered. The extremely long hiatus between seasons really pisses me off. I'm probably going to be so confused all season. Oh well.

PlsDontTearDownY.S.
01-25-06, 07:38 PM
HBO is giving all 5 seasons on demand, right now they are showing seasons 2 and 3. Seasons 1 and 2 were by far the best IMO.

RhodeyYankee2638
01-25-06, 07:56 PM
It's about time. I want to see the Russian thing revisited this season, anybody else feel the same way?

I've been dying for it for the past 2 seasons. Man, that was the best episode ever

BronxByTheBay
01-25-06, 07:59 PM
I've been dying for it for the past 2 seasons. Man, that was the best episode ever

Forget it. It's a thread they're probably not going to pick up again.


HBO is giving all 5 seasons on demand, right now they are showing seasons 2 and 3. Seasons 1 and 2 were by far the best IMO.

It's not even close. Season 1 is the top of the heap, with 2 a close second. Everything else lags way behind (I'm rewatching season 3 right now and quite frankly, it's kinda awful. I remember not liking it, now I see why.)

Bub
01-25-06, 08:30 PM
It's about time. I want to see the Russian thing revisited this season, anybody else feel the same way?You mean the guy they were trying to kill that got away? That was never resolved.

PlsDontTearDownY.S.
01-25-06, 10:06 PM
I've been dying for it for the past 2 seasons. Man, that was the best episode ever



You mean the guy they were trying to kill that got away? That was never resolved.

Yeah. There's no way that dude took a mortal head shot. There was a brief spray of blood but if he was really offed, how the hell does he run so far that Pauly and Chris can't find him? I know David Chase said he wasn't going to revisit this whole thing but you never know. The people I speak to about the show definitely want to see the Russians back in the picture.



It's not even close. Season 1 is the top of the heap, with 2 a close second. Everything else lags way behind (I'm rewatching season 3 right now and quite frankly, it's kinda awful. I remember not liking it, now I see why.)

Definitely, although the Italian episode puts season 2 slightly higher for me. The only good things about season 3 that I can remember were Meadow being old enough to look at without feeling guilty about it, Jackie's attempt to jack the card game and the Pine Barrens episode. Season 4 was even worse but I think season 5 was an improvement.

SubwayFanatic
01-25-06, 10:13 PM
The great thing about this show is that nobody knows how it's going to end. It's very unpredictable.

A lot of people think this show may go out with a bang - no pun intended - but maybe it just has a simplistic ending? I don't know, Tony and his family together and they see the ducks come back?

Who knows.

RhodyYanksFan
01-25-06, 10:13 PM
I've been dying for it for the past 2 seasons. Man, that was the best episode ever

That episode with Chris and Paulie in the woods is one of the top 3 ever.

SubwayFanatic
01-25-06, 10:18 PM
That episode with Chris and Paulie in the woods is one of the top 3 ever.


Anthony 'Tony' Soprano Sr.: Listen to me, this guy was a Russian green beret. He was in the ministry of the interior or something. He single-handedly killed 16 Chechen rebels. Be ................ing careful.
Paulie 'Walnuts' Gualtieri: All right.
[hangs up]
Christopher Moltisanti: What did he say?
Paulie 'Walnuts' Gualtieri: He said the guy killed 16 Czechoslovakians, and he was an interior decorator.
Christopher Moltisanti: Interior decorator? His appartment looked like .................

Barb51850
01-25-06, 10:33 PM
Anthony 'Tony' Soprano Sr.: Listen to me, this guy was a Russian green beret. He was in the ministry of the interior or something. He single-handedly killed 16 Chechen rebels. Be ................ing careful.
Paulie 'Walnuts' Gualtieri: All right.
[hangs up]
Christopher Moltisanti: What did he say?
Paulie 'Walnuts' Gualtieri: He said the guy killed 16 Czechoslovakians, and he was an interior decorator.
Christopher Moltisanti: Interior decorator? His appartment looked like .................

That episode was too funny.

Paulie: Don't make me pull rank on you kid!!

Christopher: F**K YOU Paulie! Captain or no captian, right now we're just two a**holes lost in the woods!

Paulie: How can we be lost!!?? We're in f**kin' New Jersey!

Barb51850
01-25-06, 10:34 PM
Personally, I'd like to see Carmela go to Italy and have a fling with Furio.

BronxByTheBay
01-25-06, 10:37 PM
Definitely, although the Italian episode puts season 2 slightly higher for me. The only good things about season 3 that I can remember were Meadow being old enough to look at without feeling guilty about it, Jackie's attempt to jack the card game and the Pine Barrens episode. Season 4 was even worse but I think season 5 was an improvement.

Pine Barrens is a fantastic episode. One of the best scenes in the entire series, however, does take place in season 3. This is where Carmella goes to see the Jewish shrink and he basically rakes her over the coals for aiding and abetting Tony, and calls her out on her bullsh*t. My favorite line of his is after she tells him she's staying with Tony to try and help him become a better man. The shrink's response: "How's that working out for you?".

SubwayFanatic
01-25-06, 10:44 PM
Personally, I'd like to see Carmela go to Italy and have a fling with Furio.


I am pretty sure this storyline is long done with. In fact, I am not sure we will ever see Furio again.

Also, I don't think we'll ever see anything come of that Russian in the woods. I also think that storyline is long done.

wexy
01-25-06, 10:59 PM
I just saw Big Pussy get whacked the other night,
I'm ready for some new episodes.

Archer1979
01-25-06, 11:04 PM
I just saw Big Pussy get whacked the other night,

:2thumbs: :2thumbs:

Pics?


:-sorry-:

SubwayFanatic
01-25-06, 11:10 PM
I like seasons 1 and 2 the best, but I really think every season is pretty damn good.

Also, I think season 4 is very underrated. I know lots of people don't like it, but I think it's solid. I also think there is some incredible acting in that series, especially during the "Whitecaps" episode where Tony and Carmella get into that huge argument.

BombersBlvd
01-25-06, 11:50 PM
I have a feeling at the end of the day, Tony is going to get whacked in a very unceremonious way by an ordinary punk henchman belonging to someone way up. Our protagonist is going to be in a position where assistance will be ridiculously nearby, but unaware of the position Tony is in in order to help him. Tony will uncharacteristically be moved to sobbing in the face of his two-bit executioner, who will proceed to mock him out of annoyance in Tony's display. Finally, after Tony quickly settles himself, he'll clear his throat, glaze over in the direction of the help he is powerless to contact and mutter, "Joo do whadja gotta do - " and BANG, blackness, credits, Bob Marley's lullaby, "Waiting in Vain" carreens from the television and Tony Soprano is assumed to be silenced.

SubwayFanatic
01-26-06, 12:44 AM
I know this show starts in March, but does anyone know if they are going to continuously run seasons 6 and 7 or is there going to be a break in between?

If so, anyone know when this break is?

Bub
01-26-06, 07:39 AM
I know this show starts in March, but does anyone know if they are going to continuously run seasons 6 and 7 or is there going to be a break in between?

If so, anyone know when this break is?Last I heard, they were going to split the season, with a bunch this spring and then the rest starting sometime after the summer.

nhyankeefan
01-26-06, 07:45 AM
Last I heard, they were going to split the season, with a bunch this spring and then the rest starting sometime after the summer.

I thought they were going to start the final season in January 07, but that could have changed.

Bub
01-26-06, 07:47 AM
I thought they were going to start the final season in January 07, but that could have changed.Could be...all I heard is that we're not going to see many episodes this spring, maybe in the 7 to 10 range, then the rest will be showed sometime down the road.

Jim F.
01-26-06, 08:49 AM
Last I heard, they were going to split the season, with a bunch this spring and then the rest starting sometime after the summer.I read that this season will be a short season, with the final remaining episodes next fall (I think).

As a note of interest, they've been filming around here for the past few months, though that could only be for a few scenes. It always amazes me how they can shut something down for an entire day, yet the scene only lasts 2 or 3 minutes.

-jim

YANKEE MAGIC
03-05-06, 09:17 AM
**Warning possible spoilers for Season Six**

Season Six starts next week (March 12) I thought this thread should be bumped... There have been a few "hints" out about Season Six but no real "Spoilers"...yet. Heres some hints I have ran across..

From Newsweek: "there's a Murder, a Suicide, a Shooting, a Maiming and a Fatal Heart Attack in the First Episode alone-that's a lot of violence even by "sopranos" standards. Several episodes take place in a hospital. We see dead people, too. Adriana pops up, smoking literallly and figuratively-she's a pretty sexy ghost. but even she's not a lot of fun."
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11675838/site/newsweek/

(wow Janice and Bobby have a baby!)
"The endurance of family is, as always, a major theme in the new season of "The Sopranos." Tony spends a lot of time taking care of Uncle Junior (Janice apparently had a baby during the hiatus and is way too busy). Naturally, facing illness and mortality sends him right back to Dr. Melfi. "Where's the dignity?" he asks her. "I'd rather they hold a pillow over my face."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11675838/site/newsweek/page/2/

thecaptain
03-05-06, 04:45 PM
Just got HBO and HBO on Demand.. The last time i signed up for HBO to watch the season it was one of the worst seasons ever... Hoping to change my luck :D

RhodeyYankee2638
03-05-06, 05:14 PM
Just got HBO and HBO on Demand.. The last time i signed up for HBO to watch the season it was one of the worst seasons ever... Hoping to change my luck :D

i signed up two weeks ago, and watched seasoon 4 and 5, i can't wait for next week!!

RhodyYanksFan
03-05-06, 05:45 PM
I read that this season will be a short season, with the final remaining episodes next fall (I think).



I read in Entertainment Weekly that they will have 12 episodes on starting March 12, and another 7 in early 2007.

SubwayFanatic
03-05-06, 06:11 PM
[QUOTE=YANKEE MAGIC] **Warning possible spoilers for Season Six**

Season Six starts next week (March 12) I thought this thread should be bumped... There have been a few "hints" out about Season Six but no real "Spoilers"...yet. Heres some hints I have ran across..

From Newsweek: "there's a Murder, a Suicide, a Shooting, a Maiming and a Fatal Heart Attack in the First Episode alone-that's a lot of violence even by "sopranos" standards. Several episodes take place in a hospital. We see dead people, too. Adriana pops up, smoking literallly and figuratively-she's a pretty sexy ghost. but even she's not a lot of fun."
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11675838/site/newsweek/

:eek: Wow.

Any thoughts on who those events happen to?

YANKEE MAGIC
03-05-06, 07:25 PM
[QUOTE=YANKEE MAGIC] **Warning possible spoilers for Season Six**

Season Six starts next week (March 12) I thought this thread should be bumped... There have been a few "hints" out about Season Six but no real "Spoilers"...yet. Heres some hints I have ran across..

From Newsweek: "there's a Murder, a Suicide, a Shooting, a Maiming and a Fatal Heart Attack in the First Episode alone-that's a lot of violence even by "sopranos" standards. Several episodes take place in a hospital. We see dead people, too. Adriana pops up, smoking literallly and figuratively-she's a pretty sexy ghost. but even she's not a lot of fun."
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11675838/site/newsweek/

:eek: Wow.

Any thoughts on who those events happen to?

Vito ....Christopher makes Capo.....

RhodeyYankee2638
03-05-06, 07:55 PM
we all know johnny sack is in the can, so i think something may happen to him, either a suicide or a murder to make sure he keeps his mouth shut

SubwayFanatic
03-05-06, 10:02 PM
Vito ....Christopher makes Capo.....


Yeah, something must happen with Vito. I just wonder how, if he dies, he actually goes.

RhodeyYankee2638
03-05-06, 10:17 PM
Yeah, something must happen with Vito. I just wonder how, if he dies, he actually goes.

i read that the actor who played vito lost 150 pounds since last we saw him

Dave Visbeck
03-05-06, 10:42 PM
Wish I could afford HBO.

nhyankeefan
03-10-06, 01:36 PM
The Globe TV writer loves the first four episodes of the Soprano's. He doesn't give away too many details but there is some interesting info.


The action picks up some two years later, and we catch up with the characters in a montage accompanied by a recording of William S. Burroughs reading his poem ''Seven Souls." I won't disclose anything significant here, except to say that an angry Johnny Sack is in prison and Uncle Junior is still in a dubious mental state. ''He's Knucklehead Smith," Tony gripes to Janice. And, in an amusing development that both recalls their bourgeois aspirations and contradicts their identification with rich Italian food, Tony and Carmela have become rabid sushi fans. Not that Tony is healthier now; he's fatter than ever, while closeted gay mobster Vito Spatafore (Joseph Gannascoli) appears to have trimmed down.

The article also mentions there are 12 episodes airing now and the final 8 will air in January.

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2006/03/10/sopranos_reclaims_its_territory_atop_tv/

thecaptain
03-10-06, 01:45 PM
i read that the actor who played vito lost 150 pounds since last we saw himCelebrity Fit Club :D http://www.josephrgannascoli.com/

LDG
03-10-06, 02:15 PM
Regis Philbin said on one of his shows this week that he attended a private screening of the 1st two episodes of the new season. His comment was that "you will not believe how episode 1 ends", and that episode 2 is "very strong".

ALR83
03-10-06, 05:30 PM
Hope it's worth the wait.

Me too. I haven't been very impressed the past few seasons, so this one better be good because I'm excited for it.

RhodeyYankee2638
03-10-06, 05:33 PM
Regis said yesterday that he went to see a special viewing of the first 2 episodes, and he said the first episode ws an hour of twists and turns and shocked him thouroughly


I enjoyed that last 2 seasons, it wasn't like the first 3 but it was still great TV. I think a lot of people were a bit dissapointed that there wasn't 4 whacks an episode

Mezmerize
03-10-06, 10:59 PM
The Globe TV writer loves the first four episodes of the Soprano's. He doesn't give away too many details but there is some interesting info.



The article also mentions there are 12 episodes airing now and the final 8 will air in January.

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2006/03/10/sopranos_reclaims_its_territory_atop_tv/

This is correct. 12 and 8 is the split. It was also said that post-production is wrapping this March on the final 8.

Sounds like some good entertainment!

Season 4 is sweet. 3 words... VAL-EN-TINA :jaw-drop:

Gringaloca
03-10-06, 11:07 PM
Season 4 is sweet. 3 words... VAL-EN-TINA :jaw-drop:

Not so sweet when she sets herself on fire cooking breakfast ....OUCH!...Did you see that episode?

Somebody needs to start a Sopranos Poll:
Who gets murdered?
Who commits suicide?
Who gets shot?
Who gets maimed?
Who has fatal heart attack?

Thoughts anyone???

My guesses are:
Murdered.....Phil
Shot.....Anthony Jr.
Suicide.....Christopher
Maimed....Janice
Fatal heart attack....Vito...weight loss?...fuggedaboudit...he was a heart attack waiting to happen..:)

yankeesrule2000
03-11-06, 12:04 PM
I can't wait for the new season tomorrow :)

RhodeyYankee2638
03-11-06, 12:11 PM
My guesses are:
Murdered.....Phil
Shot.....Anthony Jr.
Suicide.....Christopher
Maimed....Janice
Fatal heart attack....Vito...weight loss?...fuggedaboudit...he was a heart attack waiting to happen..:)


I think Phil will get murdered. There was heat between Chris and Phil, so I think Chris will get shot. We can only pray its Janice that commits suicide. Im thinkin Uncle Junior takes the heart attack. I dont know who the hell gets maimed, maybe Paulie...

YANKEE MAGIC
03-11-06, 10:06 PM
Wow...Trust me don't go looking for spoilers unless you really want to know..I just read an exact description of the season opener...now wish I hadn't.. :mad:

texasyankee
03-11-06, 10:19 PM
..I just read an exact description of the season opener...now wish I hadn't.. :mad:

You just ruined everything for me...thanks a lot, a-hole...... ;)

YANKEE MAGIC
03-11-06, 10:21 PM
You just ruined everything for me...thanks a lot, a-hole...... ;)

I started to tell the wife who gets shot and she said the samething! :P

texasyankee
03-11-06, 10:24 PM
I started to tell the wife who gets shot and she said the samething! :P

Shut the eff up, dude.....now you done did it....I'm turning the computer off .......

see ya later.....

RhodeyYankee2638
03-12-06, 11:26 AM
I cant hardly wait, 20 months without the sopranos has been killing me

YANKEE MAGIC
03-12-06, 11:30 AM
I cant hardly wait, 20 months without the sopranos has been killing me

It's a must see tonight!

yanksrule69
03-12-06, 12:12 PM
I wish HBO had a marathon of at least the 5th season today. I can barely remember last season and I only have the DVDs for the first 3 seasons.

nhyankeefan
03-12-06, 12:22 PM
I wish HBO had a marathon of at least the 5th season today. I can barely remember last season and I only have the DVDs for the first 3 seasons.

They have recaps on the HBO website if you feel like reading them.

RhodeyYankee2638
03-12-06, 01:06 PM
I wish HBO had a marathon of at least the 5th season today. I can barely remember last season and I only have the DVDs for the first 3 seasons.

i got digital cable, they have all the episodes frm season 4 and 5 for free

yanksrule69
03-12-06, 04:11 PM
i got digital cable, they have all the episodes frm season 4 and 5 for free

Aaaaah yes. If my friggen OnDemand worked that would be superb. :argh:

Mattpat11
03-12-06, 08:34 PM
I'm amped.

texasyankee
03-12-06, 09:06 PM
Here we go!

nhyankeefan
03-12-06, 09:19 PM
Tony's gained a crap load of weight it looks like. He must have done the opposite of whatever Vito did to lose all his weight.

#1PaFan
03-12-06, 09:58 PM
Wow!!!

nhyankeefan
03-12-06, 10:00 PM
No preview for next week, what a rip off.

yankeesrule2000
03-12-06, 10:01 PM
Awesome ending

RhodeyYankee2638
03-12-06, 10:01 PM
If anyone saw that coming, then you better play the friggen lotto this weekend

nhyankeefan
03-12-06, 10:03 PM
If anyone saw that coming, then you better play the friggen lotto this weekend

That was crazy, I thought the suicide was kind of obvious, but the ending blew me away.

Barb51850
03-12-06, 10:13 PM
Wow, what an ending!! Do you think Tony will change his mind now about putting Uncle Junior in a home??!!!

Mattpat11
03-12-06, 10:14 PM
I'm a little anooyed with the Eugene storyline. Over the last couple seasons, they've introudced a million faceless characters and expect us to know exactly who they are when they pop up in a big story. This guy was vaguely familiar, but not enough that i cared about his plight.

Otherwise, awesome show.

yeahimweird
03-12-06, 10:16 PM
I'm a little anooyed with the Eugene storyline. Over the last couple seasons, they've introudced a million faceless characters and expect us to know exactly who they are when they pop up in a big story. This guy was vaguely familiar, but not enough that i cared about his plight.

Otherwise, awesome show.

That hanging scene was pretty graphic though. I had my hand over my mouth the entire time.

And the ending...HOLY SH*T. :eek:

yanksrule69
03-12-06, 10:25 PM
I'm a little anooyed with the Eugene storyline. Over the last couple seasons, they've introudced a million faceless characters and expect us to know exactly who they are when they pop up in a big story. This guy was vaguely familiar, but not enough that i cared about his plight.

Otherwise, awesome show.

OK, I'm glad someone else feels the same way. I have a ................ty memory and I don't even remember that guy. I was confused as to why he was so prevalent in this episode.

Mattpat11
03-12-06, 10:27 PM
OK, I'm glad someone else feels the same way. I have a ................ty memory and I don't even remember that guy. I was confused as to why he was so prevalent in this episode.He's definitely been on the show before, but I dont know if it was anything beyond being part of a crowd.

Barb51850
03-12-06, 10:27 PM
What did Uncle Junior say before he shot Tony? I was so shocked to see him with the gun that I wasn't paying attention. It was something in Italian.

yanksrule69
03-12-06, 10:32 PM
It was obvious by the camera work that something was going to happen to Tony. I wasn't surprised at all, really.

thecaptain
03-12-06, 10:35 PM
Awesome endingNice start to the season.

RhodeyYankee2638
03-12-06, 10:38 PM
It was obvious by the camera work that something was going to happen to Tony. I wasn't surprised at all, really.

it was obvious something was gonna happen, but come on

Mattpat11
03-12-06, 10:48 PM
it was obvious something was gonna happen, but come onEh, the build was such all show that it seemed like Junior was going to do something to Tony. The Melfi scenes, the conversation with AJ

Mattpat11
03-12-06, 10:52 PM
BTW, is Lorraine Bracco pregnant? She looked it during the premiere party.

TongueStripes
03-12-06, 10:55 PM
Raymond Curto keels over...........

wexy
03-12-06, 11:02 PM
They mentioned my neighborhood Mill Basin when the kid gets run over in the beginning.
The other guy was so minor that I wondered what the hell he was doing there but we won't have to worry about him anymore. He had no choice.

The ending surprised me.

Mattpat11
03-12-06, 11:06 PM
BTW, two of my favorite minor characters, Hesh and Ginny Sack made appearences.

wexy
03-12-06, 11:10 PM
and what was with all the sushi??

yankeegeek
03-12-06, 11:16 PM
and what was with all the sushi??


Those scenes were filmed here in Wayne!! I was there. It was great to see those scenes!!

wexy
03-12-06, 11:28 PM
Those scenes were filmed here in Wayne!! I was there. It was great to see those scenes!!

Did you get a hand roll at least?

Luvtino
03-12-06, 11:36 PM
You wait and wait for the Sopranos to start again and it sucks ya back in within 5 minutes. :D

Great first episode. I wasn't surprised the guy killed himself as he was caught between a rock and a hard place, but I was thinking he would do it with a gun and not by hanging himself. It wasn't immediate which made it pretty gruesome. :eek:

Excellent ending. The close-up of his face to end the show was awesome. I was bummed they didn't show any coming attractions.

Oh yeah...pretty cool how they worked Adrianna into the show. I really miss her character. :)

RSoxHater
03-13-06, 01:52 AM
What did Uncle Junior say before he shot Tony? I was so shocked to see him with the gun that I wasn't paying attention. It was something in Italian.

A matza Mulinga<sp?>

Kill Mulinga

To imagine that up to that point I was thinking, "Gee, Tony is very fortunate, what with all the informants dying."

m_sisca
03-13-06, 04:12 AM
junior owes little pussy malenga some money from a long time ago, and junior thought tony was that guy coming to collect, even though malenga had died several years before. friggin alzheimers.

yankeegeek
03-13-06, 08:23 AM
Did you get a hand roll at least?


Not that day. I have many times from there.

RhodyYanksFan
03-13-06, 09:21 AM
I can't wait to watch tonight. My gf taped it. She's cooking dinner, then we watch Sopranos and 24. What a good Monday night. Now I just gotta get through the day.

Jim F.
03-13-06, 09:22 AM
BTW, two of my favorite minor characters, Hesh and Ginny Sack made appearences.I like Hesh, too. But was that a different Ginny? Her voice seemed different.

yanksrule69
03-13-06, 10:30 AM
The part with Bobby in the garage playing with his trains was hilarious. What a tool.

3M'sBoys
03-13-06, 10:44 AM
The other guy was so minor that I wondered what the hell he was doing there but we won't have to worry about him anymore.

I disagree. I think his wife is going to be part of the storyline somewhere down the road. She is going to be PISSED.

GREAT episode.

ring403
03-13-06, 10:49 AM
It'll be interesting to see what happens with the two big bosses, Tony and John, both now out of commission.

Mattpat11
03-13-06, 10:51 AM
I disagree. I think his wife is going to be part of the storyline somewhere down the road. She is going to be PISSED.

GREAT episode.I heard that was Bracco's sister

hobokenfish
03-13-06, 11:03 AM
It'll be interesting to see what happens with the two big bosses, Tony and John, both now out of commission.

There might have been some foreshadowing there, with Christopher telling Tony that he gave up too quickly on the office split. I see Christopher taking over for Tony (can't trust anyone but family), and getting into a war with Philly. Definitely will be interesting.

powerpinstripes
03-13-06, 11:20 AM
I think this is an episode you have to watch a couple of times. You all mentioned some nuances, I did not pick up on. It moved too quickly. The Janice and Tony scenes were priceless, and the most geniune dialogue btw the any of the characters last night. The Tony and Carmela dialogue seemed forced. I was hoping that the Adrianna thing wasn't a dream sequence, but no such luck, so that seemed kinda gratutious as well. I did not hate the episode but after all the hype maybe I was expecting something different. I must watch it again.

yankeesnum1
03-13-06, 11:28 AM
Besides the show being great last night... I REALLY loved the Meadow scene of her dancing around :ga-ga: :ga-ga:

Snap731
03-13-06, 01:03 PM
Besides the show being great last night... I REALLY loved the Meadow scene of her dancing around :ga-ga: :ga-ga:


Yeah but I hate hate HATE her boyfriend... uh... fiance.

Noah was smart, but such a snob.

Jackie Jr was down to earth, but stupid.

Finn is like the worst of both worlds; an intellectual snob like Noah but a socially moronic meathead like Jackie.

And this is the one she decides to marry?

She deserves someone with Noah's book smarts and Jackie's street smarts.

As for the rest of Episode 1:

-Tony and Carm's dialogue seemed forced, kinda like most 2nd effort dialogues can seem forced.
- I'm not surprised Carm's still thinking about Ad. Out side of Christopher, it hit her pretty hard, I'm sure she saw a lotta herself in Ad.
- I didn't care much that Euguene died b/c honestly, I hardly knew who he was. Is that story going to somehow come back? I dont' see how it could.
- Hesh is the man.
- Uncle Junior is pretty annoying.
- I loved the ending... i'm hooked and can't wait 'til next week, which is exactly what they want of course. But I can't argue with the shocking nature of the end of the show.
- AJ needs a hair cut.

RhodeyYankee2638
03-13-06, 01:16 PM
That hanging scene was pretty graphic though. I had my hand over my mouth the entire time.

And the ending...HOLY SH*T. :eek:

i saw this on second viewing, but when he hung himself, he also pissed his pants. that was such a sad scene

yanksrule69
03-13-06, 01:17 PM
- I didn't care much that Euguene died b/c honestly, I hardly knew who he was. Is that story going to somehow come back? I dont' see how it could.


I competely agree about that storyline but I do think it will come back. AS someone noted the wife is going to be HEATED. It will be interesting to find out if she knew he was an informant, which I'm assuming she didn't, so she will blame it all on Tony.

Man, I wish Jackie Jr was still on the show. He was friggen hot!

nhyankeefan
03-13-06, 01:18 PM
Yeah but I hate hate HATE her boyfriend... uh... fiance.

Noah was smart, but such a snob.

Jackie Jr was down to earth, but stupid.

Finn is like the worst of both worlds; an intellectual snob like Noah but a socially moronic meathead like Jackie.

And this is the one she decides to marry?

She deserves someone with Noah's book smarts and Jackie's street smarts.



As hot as Meadow looked, it was annoying to see Finn just sitting there like a lump while she danced. I wonder if he and Vito will have any interaction this year. that could get interesting seeing how he's the only one who know's Vito's gay and Vito can't touch him.

yanksrule69
03-13-06, 01:22 PM
i saw this on second viewing, but when he hung himself, he also pissed his pants. that was such a sad scene

I definitely need to see it again. I wasn't all that impressed. I'm wondering how many things I didn't pick up on. I didn't hear exactly what was being said at the beginning as I wasn't ready to pay really close attention as was needed.

nicky_d
03-13-06, 01:29 PM
- I didn't care much that Euguene died b/c honestly, I hardly knew who he was. Is that story going to somehow come back? I dont' see how it could.


Definately the opening for a story line. Remember, there is a passing of time from the last episode (Janice had a baby, etc.). During that time, with Adriana gone, the FBI needed to go down the pecking order to get an informant on Tony. Apparently Eugene was the most vulnerable, a loyal member but obviously not within the very inner cadre of Tony's organization -- you could sort of see it in his personality, the way he approached Tony. With his wife already showing hatred for Tony, I see her in some way part of some plot to get him. This could get very interesting.............

PlsDontTearDownY.S.
03-13-06, 01:31 PM
The part with Bobby in the garage playing with his trains was hilarious. What a tool.


With the locomotive hat! :roflmao: I seriously thought Tony was gonna rip it off his head and stomp the train set.

PlsDontTearDownY.S.
03-13-06, 01:34 PM
Besides the show being great last night... I REALLY loved the Meadow scene of her dancing around :ga-ga: :ga-ga:


Yeah... it was good, that scene but could the bra and panties have been any bigger?

mvavra1
03-13-06, 01:45 PM
If you watch the episode again, it's a little obvious something was going to happen to Tony. He kept saying when will he get a break, and then gets 2 big ones with the informants dying, then his sister calling to say she can't watch Uncle Junior and saying he's very agitated. The camera work at Uncle Junior's house. Tony's speech to A.J. about not trusting anyone but family. Lots of clues, but you have to watch it a 2nd time to realize them.

It was obvious by the camera work that something was going to happen to Tony. I wasn't surprised at all, really.

RhodeyYankee2638
03-13-06, 02:17 PM
I definitely need to see it again. I wasn't all that impressed. I'm wondering how many things I didn't pick up on. I didn't hear exactly what was being said at the beginning as I wasn't ready to pay really close attention as was needed.


geez, what episodes have impressed you then?

yanksrule69
03-13-06, 02:45 PM
geez, what episodes have impressed you then?

I'm just not too impressed on focusing almost a whole show on some guy I can barely remember. Obviously Tony wasn't going to let him "retire". Once you're made, you're made. You don't just leave whenever you want. If it had been a main character like Christopher trying to get out of it it would have been more interesting. I just didn't really care about Gene.

RhodeyYankee2638
03-13-06, 03:01 PM
I'm just not too impressed on focusing almost a whole show on some guy I can barely remember. Obviously Tony wasn't going to let him "retire". Once you're made, you're made. You don't just leave whenever you want. If it had been a main character like Christopher trying to get out of it it would have been more interesting. I just didn't really care about Gene.
they do this every year, no one gave a damn about feech last year or jackie jr. in the past. its an ensemble cast, but i think Gene will be somewhat important. its represents a power struggle, Chrissy fought to be a captain, Gene wants to be a captain, Paulie last season was pissed at the power situation, Vito says he thinks he can be a good don, leotardo is screwin around in NYC, Rusty hates Phil etec. everyone wants a piece of the action

b-ball-lunachick
03-13-06, 05:49 PM
i'm glad i'm not the only one who has trouble keeping all the peripheral players straight at times...

great show though -- i need to rent the past seasons to brush up -- I should have done that during the hiatus but was on strike because of the huge layoff and hoped that I would lose interest but I didn't. :D

great subtle writing as usual -- this Gene guy can't control his own teenager -- drugs or outbursts, has no say with his wife, but can walk up and pop a guy eating his dinner like it's no problem...gotta love this show...

RhodeyYankee2638
03-13-06, 06:03 PM
great subtle writing as usual -- this Gene guy can't control his own teenager -- drugs or outbursts, has no say with his wife, but can walk up and pop a guy eating his dinner like it's no problem...gotta love this show...

im glad you noticed that too :)

its one of the themes throughout the entire show (example: tony can become a millionaire, whack people etc. but could never bare his own mother)

Jim F.
03-13-06, 08:10 PM
i saw this on second viewing, but when he hung himself, he also pissed his pants. that was such a sad sceneWhen someone dies, all of their bodily functions are lost -- such as holding your piss. I was kind of surprised they let that scene run long enough to see all of that. It was pretty graphic, as far as all the twitching and whatnot. And also how it looked like he changed his mind when I first started hanging and was trying to get back onto the box.

RhodeyYankee2638
03-13-06, 08:34 PM
When someone dies, all of their bodily functions are lost -- such as holding your piss. I was kind of surprised they let that scene run long enough to see all of that. It was pretty graphic, as far as all the twitching and whatnot. And also how it looked like he changed his mind when I first started hanging and was trying to get back onto the box.

it was pretty gruesome, i was pretty shocked they showed that much as well. i was under the impression that if a noose was made correctly, it snaps your neck, not chokes you. i think he screwed up on that part

aceball
03-13-06, 08:45 PM
Jr. is gonna die in the 3rd episode in my opinion.

RhodeyYankee2638
03-13-06, 08:46 PM
Jr. is gonna die in the 3rd episode in my opinion.


dude thats an awfully random guess, i hope you aren't posting spoilers

JeanC
03-14-06, 01:37 AM
Gary & I not only watched the showp we tvo'd it!

What had me wondering & I even asked Gary to back up & repeat the beginning was what was the "running dialogue" reminded me of a "twin peaks" scene without the midgets.....& then they ended it that way too! I think it would have been better without it... if they had to show it it would have been better without the diagalogue but with just the music...

Hey see the "Jersey Boy" made the Season 6 premiere! Talking about Frankie of course. When we come back for the Forum Party hope to see the "Jersey Boys"!

Like everyone else here who thought so you could tell something was about to happen to Tony & I knew Alhemiered Jr was gonna do something when Tony answered him the way he did...but the gunshot still startled me...
well till next week everyone.....

PlsDontTearDownY.S.
03-14-06, 02:17 PM
If you watch the episode again, it's a little obvious something was going to happen to Tony. He kept saying when will he get a break, and then gets 2 big ones with the informants dying, then his sister calling to say she can't watch Uncle Junior and saying he's very agitated. The camera work at Uncle Junior's house. Tony's speech to A.J. about not trusting anyone but family. Lots of clues, but you have to watch it a 2nd time to realize them.


I think shooting Tony was a plot by Junior to avoid a conviction in his re-trial. He can really compound on the not guilty because i'm crazy defense now...that old pisser has a few marbles left.

tdel23
03-14-06, 02:39 PM
I guess i'm in the minorty here but I was severly dissapointed with the episode, it was ok but after a 2 year hiatus I was hoping for something more, I guess i wasn't blown away with the ending of Tony being shot.

yanksrule69
03-14-06, 02:59 PM
When someone dies, all of their bodily functions are lost -- such as holding your piss.

That makes sense. I'm such an idiot. When I was watching it I thought he had tied the rope around a water pipe or something and it was leaking. Didn't even think about him pissing himself. :doh:

Chesbro41
03-14-06, 03:05 PM
I think shooting Tony was a plot by Junior to avoid a conviction in his re-trial. He can really compound on the not guilty because i'm crazy defense now...that old pisser has a few marbles left.

I said the same thing to my friends! Of course they completely shot me down and think it's real. What easier way to be declared incompetent to stand trial than fake alzheimer's (sp) and shoot your nephew. I keep thinking of Vincent Gigante.

boo_427
03-14-06, 03:09 PM
I am really starting to buy this theory that this episode was the end of the series and that every episode that follows 6.1 will lead up to one we just saw.

S2
03-14-06, 03:19 PM
I am really starting to buy this theory that this episode was the end of the series and that every episode that follows 6.1 will lead up to one we just saw.That would be interesting, but tough to pull off, considering they still have 19 episodes left. But the fact that there was no preview and all the talk of "what will happen if/when Tony is out of commission" is very strange.

nicky_d
03-14-06, 04:09 PM
I am really starting to buy this theory that this episode was the end of the series and that every episode that follows 6.1 will lead up to one we just saw.

So, next week's episode will show Vito Spatafore 160 pounds heavier, I guess.......

BronxByTheBay
03-14-06, 04:48 PM
I am really starting to buy this theory that this episode was the end of the series and that every episode that follows 6.1 will lead up to one we just saw.

I don't buy it. Chase would never destroy the series' legacy like that. And they certainly wouldn't need 19 episodes for such a gimmick.

nicky_d
03-15-06, 09:52 AM
The writers have a good sense of humor.....

We all remember the episode from last season where Vito Spatafore was in a car giving a BJ, right?

Well, I thought it was funny when this season's opening episode show's Eugene bringing food into the "office" for all the guys... and what does Vito go for? The only thing he takes is a nice big bread stick, which you see him putting it in his mouth. Beautiful.......

:lol: :lol: :lol:

boo_427
03-15-06, 10:19 AM
Purely speculation, but a calling it a gimmick?

19 episodes would be more than enough to tie up two years.

Just saying, that gut wound of Tony's could be fatal. If next week's episode doesn't take place in the hospital or through flashbacks this theory could have more legs.

BronxByTheBay
03-15-06, 11:24 AM
Purely speculation, but a calling it a gimmick?

19 episodes would be more than enough to tie up two years.

Just saying, that gut wound of Tony's could be fatal. If next week's episode doesn't take place in the hospital or through flashbacks this theory could have more legs.

I would consider it a gimmick, yes. If it were the last few episodes, and done extraordinarily well, I could stomach it (no pun intended). But 19 episodes of a dream sequence? I fail to see how that would tie up anything.

yanksrule69
03-15-06, 11:44 AM
But 19 episodes of a dream sequence?

I hate dream sequences. That would really suck.

BronxByTheBay
03-15-06, 12:18 PM
I hate dream sequences. That would really suck.

The only thing I hate more than dream sequences are Sopranos dream sequences. Easily the low points of the series.

Mezmerize
03-15-06, 09:59 PM
Well you guys better get ready because you know the dream sequences are coming.

For those that don't remember Gene:
Do you recall episode 61? Unidentified Black Males was the name of it. The following is
from the episode guide on HBO.com:

Meanwhile, Meadow's relationship with boyfriend Finn DeTrolio takes its own dramatic turn. Finn is spending the summer in New York instead of at home in California, so Tony gets him a job on one of his construction sites. Although Finn is uncomfortable around the wiseguys, he manages to cope until one morning he shows up for work early and witnesses something he shouldn't: Vito Spatafore performing oral sex on a security guard. In a panic, Finn is about to leave for Mission Viejo when Meadow confronts him, accusing him of wanting to run out on her. After parsing their relationship for several hours, an exhausted Finn says, "Maybe we should get married." Meadow agrees, and soon phones Carmela with the news.

Do you remember why he was uncomfortable around them? Because our friend Gene here, who we are supposed to feel sorry for in the most recent episode, upset that one of the other guys told him to "suck his cock" or something along those lines, stood up, laughed, then smashed a glass bottle in the guy's face and then proceeded to kick him while he was down. Finn witnessed the whole thing and was in shock. "He was like an animal." he tells Meadow. Her reaction was priceless to the story... I believe she made excuses for Gene. That's the only other time I remember seeing him, but it really doesn't matter. All of these guys are interchangable. Minor or major characters, they're all subhuman and most importantly of all, they're all full of .................

RhodyYanksFan
03-16-06, 10:24 AM
BTW, two of my favorite minor characters, Hesh and Ginny Sack made appearences.

One of the best stories was when Christopher (or was it Paulie) made the fat joke about Ginny. :lol:


it was pretty gruesome, i was pretty shocked they showed that much as well. i was under the impression that if a noose was made correctly, it snaps your neck, not chokes you. i think he screwed up on that part

Hangings are supposed to break your neck, not strangle you. He definately screwed up. I wonder how they shot that because I can't imagine the pain that actor must have went through.

3M'sBoys
03-16-06, 11:29 AM
Looks like the actors are holding out on completing the season:


'MOB' MU$CLING IN ON HBO


By DON KAPLAN

March 16, 2006 -- "The Sopranos" are holding up HBO for more money.

Just days after the debut of what the pay-cable channel is calling the show's sixth and final season, several cast members are demanding big raises to appear in the final eight episodes, which are slated to air in January and won't be filmed until early summer.

Among the wiseguys looking to fatten their wallets are Michael Imperioli (Christopher), Tony Sirico (Paulie Walnuts) and Steven Van Zandt (Silvio), according to a report in The Wall Street Journal.

The three now are reportedly paid salaries in the low to mid six figures for each episode. Joining the revolt is Steve Schirripa (Bobby Bacala).

James Gandolfini, who stars as mob boss Tony Soprano, very publicly renegotiated his contract about three years ago, reportedly getting a whopping $1 million an episode.

Edie Falco (Tony's wife, Carmela) and Lorraine Bracco (his shrink, Dr. Melfi), are both said to be close to landing new deals, with Falco rumored about to be paid more than $500,000 per episode.

The actors - especially the four seeking to kick-start new contract talks - are using HBO's own schedule as a negotiating tool.

The network plans to air 12 episodes this spring followed by an additional eight beginning next January, but has been careful to portray the entire run as a single season, rather than two separate ones.

The actors disagree.

They say viewers will see the second eight episodes as a separate season - and, therefore, they deserve more money.

"We're confident that everyone will be signed for the last eight episodes," an HBO spokeswoman said yesterday.

Representatives for the actors declined to comment. But "the talks are amicable," a source close to the negotiations told The Post yesterday.

Production on the first 12 episodes is expected to be completed this week, while filming for the final eight is slated to begin in June. But if the talks drag on, the situation could throw a monkey wrench into those plans.

Any one of the actors who chooses to walk from the show could wreak havoc on the series' complicated storyline in what is supposed to be the final chapter of the epic mob saga.

Sunday's premiere episode of the final season ended with a bang - literally - as Gandolfini's increasingly hulking character got shot by his dementia-afflicted Uncle Junior, played by Dominic Chianese. Although viewers were left wondering how serious Tony's wound was after the climactic scene showed him losing consciousness, it's a safe bet the head of the TV mob family will be breathing for a good many more episodes.

http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/63189.htm

RhodyYanksFan
03-16-06, 11:32 AM
Looks like the actors are holding out on completing the season:



http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/63189.htm

I can see why they'd want to do that. They're all gonna be typecast and associated with these characters for the rest of their lives so they're just looking for one final paycheck before their time is up.

powerpinstripes
03-16-06, 12:07 PM
I can see why they'd want to do that. They're all gonna be typecast and associated with these characters for the rest of their lives so they're just looking for one final paycheck before their time is up.

Smart move on their part. All of the those people are actors who will need to work again post Soprano's. But Little Steven? What, no more tours with Bruce? He truly has another vocation.

PlsDontTearDownY.S.
03-16-06, 01:12 PM
The only thing I hate more than dream sequences are Sopranos dream sequences. Easily the low points of the series.

I know! Damn it's frustrating...you wait all this time for the series, it's only 12 episodes and then they waste your time with the stupid dream sequences.

krystl
03-16-06, 01:16 PM
I know! Damn it's frustrating...you wait all this time for the series, it's only 12 episodes and then they waste your time with the stupid dream sequences.
I hate dream sequences too, but it makes the storylines more interesting sometimes. The big letdown is finding out it's a dream.

RhodyYanksFan
03-16-06, 01:17 PM
The only thing I hate more than dream sequences are Sopranos dream sequences. Easily the low points of the series.

Sometimes they're amusing. The one last year with Ralphie was great. I just hated that time where the whole episode was like that (season 4?).

RhodeyYankee2638
03-16-06, 01:18 PM
I can see why they'd want to do that. They're all gonna be typecast and associated with these characters for the rest of their lives so they're just looking for one final paycheck before their time is up.

they were already typecast, half the actors in the series were in Goodfellas and Casino

yanksrule51
03-19-06, 04:41 PM
Article about tonight's episode:

http://torontosun.com/Entertainment/Columnists/Harris_Bill/2006/03/19/1495005.html



But this much is clear: If you tune into The Movie Network this evening at 9 p.m., you will definitely see the most eerie episode of The Sopranos.

Parts of it may stick with you for a long, long time.

The episode tonight obviously deals with the aftermath of that shocking event. And while being careful not to reveal any plot details, two of the performances must be singled out for praise.

Edie Falco, who plays Tony's wife Carmela, is the de facto star of tonight's episode, and she is brilliant as she displays a wide range of emotions. The fact is, though, everyone has come to expect brilliance from Falco.

The surprisingly positive element is the layered performance by Robert Iler, who plays Tony and Carmela's slacker son A.J.

A valid criticism of The Sopranos in the past couple of seasons was that A.J. and his big sister Meadow (Jamie-Lynn DiScala) had been reduced to whiny, one-note caricatures.

They seemed to exist merely to annoy their parents. And while that isn't totally crazy as a general theme (damn those delinquent teens and their rock and roll music!), A.J. and Meadow weren't bringing much to the pasta table anymore. Tonight, kind of out of nowhere, A.J. emerges as more of a complete person, for better or for worse.

Whether you're a parent or not, you still will spend most of tonight wanting to strangle A.J., in the comically violent manner of Homer and Bart Simpson.

But there's one intense scene -- when A.J.'s dour facade breaks down and his rage and anguish and pain and embarrassment bubble over -- that is absolutely chilling.

Perhaps the best compliment that can be paid to tonight's episode is this: It dares to challenge the viewer. At its base level The Sopranos is a mob drama, and honestly, can you think of a subject matter that has been mined more aggressively in TV and movies? But The Sopranos resists the siren song of formula television.

The episode tonight is a weird one, with plenty of imagery and symbolism and outright spookiness.

Being brave enough to be different is something that can't be oversold.

Mezmerize
03-19-06, 07:16 PM
One of the best stories was when Christopher (or was it Paulie) made the fat joke about Ginny. :lol:



Hangings are supposed to break your neck, not strangle you. He definately screwed up. I wonder how they shot that because I can't imagine the pain that actor must have went through.

It was actually Ralph Cifferretto who made that comment. Paulie was the one who confirmed it to Johnny.

As for the hanging, yup you are correct. He didn't do it right, but then again, look at who we're talking about here. These guys don't really strike me as the "engineering" type. ;)

Archer1979
03-19-06, 07:31 PM
I wonder how they shot that because I can't imagine the pain that actor must have went through.

Body harness that was far enough back that you couldn't see it. All the weight was on the harness, none was on the rope.

3M'sBoys
03-19-06, 09:08 PM
WTF??? Is this a dream episode?

RhodeyYankee2638
03-19-06, 09:10 PM
WTF??? Is this a dream episode?

ways yoou know he is dreaming:

1) Lost his jeresy accent
2) talking to Gloria Trillo on his phone
3) When they helicopter was overhead, you saw a doctor with a flashlight checking Tony's eyes

3M'sBoys
03-19-06, 09:20 PM
Aye aye aye. I hate dream episodes.

yankeesrule2000
03-19-06, 10:02 PM
Idk what to make of this episode.

mjdlight
03-19-06, 10:06 PM
Just my quick thoughts...

The "dream sequence" was Tony's internal exploration of what a "straight" life would have been like. (Did anyone catch the reference to selling patio furniture? He once said to Carmela, "Would you have liked me more if I sold patio furniture on Route 46?") I interpreted the helicopter/hospital lights as Tony's own sense of guilt about the life he leads coming to haunt him in his subconsious.

The dream sequences are one of the reasons the Sopranos is really not a mob show at all. The mob is merely a plot device, nothing more.

smr15
03-19-06, 10:11 PM
What's the significance of the monks? (anyone?anyone? bueller? ;) )
How about his choice for lunch?

What else? Lots of things that could be symbolic in this episode.

(good catch on the 'patio furniture' reference.)

mjdlight
03-19-06, 10:17 PM
What's the significance of the monks? (anyone?anyone? bueller? ;) )
How about his choice for lunch?

What else? Lots of things that could be symbolic in this episode.

(good catch on the 'patio furniture' reference.)

Yes indeed. :) At this moment, I can't think of a significance for say, the monks. Of course, that could be because I'm too obtuse. Or they just could be random, meaningless crap, like I think Annette Benning's appearance was in a past dream sequence.

Oh yes, and did anyone else notice that the pig heads at Satriele's that stared at Christopher in the pilot after his first wack job are still starting at him? More guilt symbolism, me thinks...

Barb51850
03-19-06, 10:22 PM
Here is my $.02:

This has to be resolved soon. They can't do another entire episode with the family keeping vigil at Tony's bedside. He either has to die, or begin to recover. It was difficult to tell from the preview.

One funny line I heard by someone referring to Tony - "He was 'Marvin Gayed' by his own uncle." (Wasn't the singer Marvin Gay shot and killed by his father?)

I always marvel at how realistic the family interactions are on this show. After Meadow and AJ had the argument in her room, he slammed the door and walked out. A few seconds later he comes back into the room and starts to quietly talk to her on another subject, and she smiles and responds to him. He was clearly sorry, yet he did not say the words "I'm sorry." It was as though I was watching me and my brother when we were younger.

Barb51850
03-19-06, 10:24 PM
What's the significance of the monks? (anyone?anyone? bueller? ;) )
How about his choice for lunch?

What else? Lots of things that could be symbolic in this episode.

(good catch on the 'patio furniture' reference.)

I wonder if his room # at the hotel has any significance - 728

wexy
03-19-06, 10:26 PM
and just who is Kevin Finnerty?

smr15
03-19-06, 10:34 PM
This has to be resolved soon. They can't do another entire episode with the family keeping vigil at Tony's bedside. He either has to die, or begin to recover
Agreed, Barb.
You can get away with 'dream sequence' episodes, but not two in a row.

Ok, who else laughed out loud when the fat guy farts on the couch @ the Soprano's house?

How about when Paulie was his typical "jockeying for position" self when they argue about who was going to take AJ home from the hospital, and says "Hey, I brought sfogliatelles!"

It's lines/scenes like those two that totally crack me up.

smr15
03-19-06, 10:36 PM
and just who is Kevin Finnerty?
yeah.
I'm thinking the name can't be just random.

Wonder if it's come up in a previous episode from the last 5 seasons?
Or if it has another significance?

Barb51850
03-19-06, 10:37 PM
Agreed, Barb.
Ok, who else laughed out loud when the fat guy farts on the couch @ the Soprano's house?

How about when Paulie was his typical "jockeying for position" self when they argue about who was going to take AJ home from the hospital, and says "Hey, I brought sfogliatelles!"

It's lines/scenes like those two that totally crack me up.

Those scenes were hysterical!!

ring403
03-19-06, 10:53 PM
Does anyone think that AJ is actually going to follow through on his promise to "put a bullet in Uncle Junior's mummy head"?

yankeegeek
03-19-06, 11:05 PM
Does anyone think that AJ is actually going to follow through on his promise to "put a bullet in Uncle Junior's mummy head"?


That scene was VERY Godfather. Michael and his father, in the hospital after he was shot.

I have to see that episode again to get a handle on all that happened.

Snap731
03-20-06, 12:46 AM
that was some of the best acting by Edie Falco, I gotta say. You ever been through SO much with someone and you just wanna like, monologue at them, so you think about it in your head what it might sound like? She went ahead and said it all right TO him.

And AJ's charachter actually developed for like, the 2nd time in the series.

I USUALLY hate dream sequences but I loved this one. I too got the impression it was supposed to be what woudla happened if Tony chose another life. Anonymous, using his real name, no accent. It was VERY interesting.

Do you think Tony's gonna be in a coma next week too? Can they keep that going?

RhodeyYankee2638
03-20-06, 06:53 AM
I remember last season when carmella kicked him out and he was in a beef with Johnny Sack, he signed into a hotel under a false name to hide out (the episode when Blundetto whacks Leotardo's bro). I really liked this dream sequence, it shows tony in a less glorified lifestyle. Did you notice that the voices on the phone were not his children nor Carmella?


The monk thing is ironic. They are supposed to be the pure and peaceful people, yet they hit Tony and Tony doesn't attack them back like his normal self would. Or maybe the episode simply just signifies Tony pondering his life and if he is going to hell like carmella said

texasyankee
03-20-06, 07:36 AM
The monk thing is ironic. They are supposed to be the pure and peaceful people, yet they hit Tony and Tony doesn't attack them back like his normal self would. Or maybe the episode simply just signifies Tony pondering his life and if he is going to hell like carmella said

The first thing that came to my mind when the 2 monks appeared was - "reincarnation." Also, since Tony is tagged with the name "Kevin Finnerty," it appears to me that Tony comes back after his near death experience and makes a major change in his life.

I know that is a far reach - but those clues put my thoughts in that direction.

texasyankee
03-20-06, 07:42 AM
Also, at the very end of the episode it shows Tony picking up the phone to make a call - he even goes so far as to dial a few of the numbers. This was occurring as Carmela was emptying her heart out to him. I think Carmela triggered something inside of Tony where he ALMOST was able to make some sort of response back to her - but not quite enough.

Barb51850
03-20-06, 08:52 AM
Reading through this thread makes me realize what a great show this is. What other program could generate such interesting discussions and theories? Everyone has their ideas about where the story could be going. I also have family and friends who watch the show, and we were all calling each other last night. It keeps us guessing and talking, and what other show on TV does that?

Edie Falco will probably win another Emmy for her performance. In reality when anyone has a loved one in the hospital in Tony's condition, the last thing you care about is your appearance. As a woman, you would not care about your hair and makeup. I loved the way she appeared without makeup and her hair just tied back. It was real.

yankeesnum1
03-20-06, 08:56 AM
I wonder if his room # at the hotel has any significance - 728
Just a reach here, but could that have been the time he was shot 7:28PM?

yanksrule69
03-20-06, 09:09 AM
Does anyone think that AJ is actually going to follow through on his promise to "put a bullet in Uncle Junior's mummy head"?

I don't know if he will really do it but the fact that he got that angry and said something like that will mean a lot. I think it may be AJ starting to head in Tony's direction, or at the very least, understand Tony more.


Also, at the very end of the episode it shows Tony picking up the phone to make a call - he even goes so far as to dial a few of the numbers. This was occurring as Carmela was emptying her heart out to him. I think Carmela triggered something inside of Tony where he ALMOST was able to make some sort of response back to her - but not quite enough.

I was thinking along the same lines. I thought he was go to start talking and they would cut back to Carmela and Tony would really be talking out loud.

I'm guessing that the name Kevin Finnerty and the number 728 will bear significance at some point. And it was really weird that the voices on the phone were not really Carmella or the kids and the kids sounded younger than they really are.

effdamets
03-20-06, 09:09 AM
I wonder if his room # at the hotel has any significance - 728
Isn't that how many thousands per episode Gandolfini is getting?

silverdsl
03-20-06, 09:12 AM
Edie Falco will probably win another Emmy for her performance. In reality when anyone has a loved one in the hospital in Tony's condition, the last thing you care about is your appearance. As a woman, you would not care about your hair and makeup. I loved the way she appeared without makeup and her hair just tied back. It was real.One more example of the attention to detail by this show. The props, the locations they film at, what the wardrobe, etc... They make a big effort in that area and it shows. Most shows would have thrown a full face of makeup on Carmela because it would be more important to them that she looks good rather than that it looks realistic.

texasyankee
03-20-06, 09:20 AM
.....
I'm guessing that the name Kevin Finnerty and the number 728 will bear significance at some point.......

More than likely a big stretch, but the name Kevin Finnerty, makes me think of "Finnegan's Wake," and "Finnegan, Begin Again."

3M'sBoys
03-20-06, 09:36 AM
Agreed, Barb.
Ok, who else laughed out loud when the fat guy farts on the couch @ the Soprano's house?

How about when Paulie was his typical "jockeying for position" self when they argue about who was going to take AJ home from the hospital, and says "Hey, I brought sfogliatelles!"

It's lines/scenes like those two that totally crack me up.

Also when the fat guy says "maybe he was a homosexual" in reference to that guys suicide.

Mezmerize
03-20-06, 10:49 AM
The wife in Tony's alternate reality is in fact Charmaine Bucco. He always wonders what his life would have been like had he married her instead of Carmella. I'm more interested in the kids voice on the answering machine.... As far as I know, Artie and Charmaine don't have kids, and the voices certainly didn't belong to AJ and Meadow.

I am a little confused about this theme that pops up from time to time, and in fact popped up in the Test Dream episode. What is this thing with Tony being "unprepared"? It happened again, he had the wrong wallet and wrong briefcase, again being unprepared to attend the conference. Bizarre.... What is Chase trying to tell us?

Additionally, the search light that chased Tony in his alternate reality was actually the ER lights. If you still have it TIVO'd, if you look closely the first time he's looking up at the spot light, you can see a doctor's silhouette looking into Tony's eyes. The next time the spot light shows up, the girl he's with says "They're looking for a perp" then he comes out of the coma, momentarily and the lights hanging above his hospital bed are shown to be the search light in his mind.

Mezmerize
03-20-06, 10:50 AM
Also when the fat guy says "maybe he was a homosexual" in reference to that guys suicide.

That was hilarious :lol:

mjdlight
03-20-06, 10:50 AM
Reading through this thread makes me realize what a great show this is. What other program could generate such interesting discussions and theories? Everyone has their ideas about where the story could be going. I also have family and friends who watch the show, and we were all calling each other last night. It keeps us guessing and talking, and what other show on TV does that?

Barb,

Exactly. This is the upside of the long, long waits we had to endure over the years. The long delays between seasons and the 20 day shoot schedule for each episode (most TV shows film in about a week) allows for that extra richness in the acting, directing, and most importantly, the writing, to manifest itself.

It's the "secret sauce" that makes the Sopranos easily one of the greatest TV shows of all time.

ring403
03-20-06, 10:52 AM
Also, at the very end of the episode it shows Tony picking up the phone to make a call - he even goes so far as to dial a few of the numbers. This was occurring as Carmela was emptying her heart out to him. I think Carmela triggered something inside of Tony where he ALMOST was able to make some sort of response back to her - but not quite enough.
I thought the phone calls were symbolic of Tony's fight for his life. He's trying to get back home to his family, and can't figure out how to do it.
While in his hotel room he also keeps looking out the window at a light in the distance, which might symbolize death.

yanksrule69
03-20-06, 11:04 AM
While in his hotel room he also keeps looking out the window at a light in the distance, which might symbolize death.

When he was first in the bar right in the beginning of the episode on the TV you could see the report about fires in Costa Mesa. Later in the episode they made reference to the fact that Tony was in Costa Mesa. I'm guessing that symbolizes how close Tony is to Hell.


The wife in Tony's alternate reality is in fact Charmaine Bucco.

The people I've discussed the episode are pretty much 50/50. Half of them think it was Charmaine on the phone and half of them think it was Gloria Trillo.

FormerlyKnownAsMHHL
03-20-06, 11:08 AM
When he was first in the bar right in the beginning of the episode on the TV you could see the report about fires in Costa Mesa. Later in the episode they made reference to the fact that Tony was in Costa Mesa. I'm guessing that symbolizes how close Tony is to Hell.



He also gets a very weird response from the bartender when he asks about Costa Mesa. However, I can't remember what it is.

Jim F.
03-20-06, 11:08 AM
My first thought while watching last night was that it was Charmaine.

Mezmerize
03-20-06, 11:53 AM
I thought the phone calls were symbolic of Tony's fight for his life. He's trying to get back home to his family, and can't figure out how to do it.
While in his hotel room he also keeps looking out the window at a light in the distance, which might symbolize death.

Excellent analysis. I agree. Did you also notice that the hotel room he was in at the end of the episode was the same one as at the beginning? Meaning, he's made no progress. He went through all that sh*t with the wallet and the briefcase and he's still no closer to where he needs to be than he was when the episode began.... Freaky.

ring403
03-20-06, 12:20 PM
He also gets a very weird response from the bartender when he asks about Costa Mesa. However, I can't remember what it is.When Tony asks how it is living in Costa Mesa, the bartender says something like "It's dead around here."

PeteRFNY
03-20-06, 12:23 PM
He also gets a very weird response from the bartender when he asks about Costa Mesa. However, I can't remember what it is.

He makes some comment about how there's nothing to do there or something like that. I also got the "Hell" reference from the "brush fires" on the TV.

I thought last night's episode was EXCELLENT. I've read some very idiotic columns in the papers today from reviewers that just didn't "get" Tony's subconscious coma sequences, but I found them all to be beyond fascinating...they even made me do a little thinking, too!

The scene where Tony wakes up and starts yelling, "Who am I? Where am I going?" made the hairs on my neck stand up. He's talking about himself and his life, but the people around him just think he is confused. Very powerful scene, great emotion all around from the whole cast last night.

Also - you really got a chance to see how much Christopher really DOES care about Tony by the pain on his face last night. The actors all really turned it up a notch.


Reading through this thread makes me realize what a great show this is. What other program could generate such interesting discussions and theories? Everyone has their ideas about where the story could be going. I also have family and friends who watch the show, and we were all calling each other last night. It keeps us guessing and talking, and what other show on TV does that?

The only other show that EVER did that for me was NBC's short-lived series "Crime Story". The first season was unbelieveable. I was in college at the time and we'd all get together to watch it. If not, we'd be calling each other up every commercial break to say "DID YOU SEE THAT?", etc.

Unfortunately, they destroyed the show by airing a positively dreadful, terrible second season, but season one was top-notch. Check out the DVDs if they have it at your local rental establishment. Just do yourself a favor and stay FAR away from season two!

Petezs

RhodeyYankee2638
03-20-06, 12:48 PM
Also - you really got a chance to see how much Christopher really DOES care about Tony by the pain on his face last night. The actors all really turned it up a notch.


Going back to last episode, Tony told AJ all you can trust in the end is family. We saw Christopher actually show deep sympathy for Tony, while Paulie, Silvio and Vito discussed the purely business aspect of Tony's possible death

texasyankee
03-20-06, 01:13 PM
....While in his hotel room he also keeps looking out the window at a light in the distance, which might symbolize death.

I could be wrong, but I'm thinking something different. When Tony is sitting in his room & sees the "light in the distance" outside his window, he is actually spotting a light from a lighthouse or some sort of beacon which in essence would be a guiding light for safe passage, aka: life.

While on the other hand, there were the fires being telecast from the Costa Mesa area on the hotel lobby/bar TV screens which were symbolic of hell/death.

nicky_d
03-20-06, 01:25 PM
Tony's coma allows the other characters to further develop and emerge in future episodes. It would be interesting if AJ transforms into more like his father, whereas Tony may come out of the coma more circumspect and more disaffected with the life he chose.

There are endless possibilities where this series may take us.

The preview for next week shows somebody being whacked. I personally think the "Diet Guy" has been conspiring to muscle in on Tony's leadership with the tacit approval of Johnny Sac, and may use Tony's hospitalization as an opportunity to strike. Maybe his duplicity is discovered, and he gets knocked off. So much for all that effort losing weight!! :D :D :D

RhodeyYankee2638
03-20-06, 01:32 PM
I could be wrong, but I'm thinking something different. When Tony is sitting in his room & sees the "light in the distance" outside his window, he is actually spotting a light from a lighthouse or some sort of beacon which in essence would be a guiding light for safe passage, aka: life.

While on the other hand, there were the fires being telecast from the Costa Mesa area on the hotel lobby/bar TV screens which were symbolic of hell/death.

I hear rumors that it symoblizes Purgatory, which is why there are signs of heaven (the lighthouse) and hell (the fire of Costa Mesa)

RhodeyYankee2638
03-20-06, 01:33 PM
There are endless possibilities where this series may take us.

The preview for next week shows somebody being whacked. I personally think the "Diet Guy" has been conspiring to muscle in on Tony's leadership with the tacit approval of Johnny Sac, and may use Tony's hospitalization as an opportunity to strike. Maybe his duplicity is discovered, and he gets knocked off. So much for all that effort losing weight!! :D :D :D

I dont like Vito anymore. He is playing both sides of the field, he calls Phil Leotardo his "cousin" while I dont think he is. He is way too greedy, i think it is possible he gets whacked

Barb51850
03-20-06, 01:36 PM
I dont like Vito anymore. He is playing both sides of the field, he calls Phil Leotardo his "cousin" while I dont think he is. He is way too greedy, i think it is possible he gets whacked

Speaking of Vito, that was a very interesting comment he made about the guy who killed himself. He said something like "Maybe he was homosexual..."
Wasn't it Vito who Meadow's boyfriend saw in the car with another man, obviously engaged in a sexual act?

Snatch Catch
03-20-06, 01:42 PM
Speaking of Vito, that was a very interesting comment he made about the guy who killed himself. He said something like "Maybe he was homosexual..."
Wasn't it Vito who Meadow's boyfriend saw in the car with another man, obviously engaged in a sexual act?

Yes. His quote was something along the lines of "Maybe he was a homo and didn't feel like he had anyone to talk to."

RhodeyYankee2638
03-20-06, 01:43 PM
Speaking of Vito, that was a very interesting comment he made about the guy who killed himself. He said something like "Maybe he was homosexual..."
Wasn't it Vito who Meadow's boyfriend saw in the car with another man, obviously engaged in a sexual act?

yep, he's the closet homosexual. You could see stereotypes in the first episode of the season: vito having fun shopping for new clothes etc.

effdamets
03-20-06, 01:47 PM
I dont like Vito anymore. He is playing both sides of the field, he calls Phil Leotardo his "cousin" while I dont think he is. He is way too greedy, i think it is possible he gets whacked
Well, from the previews, it looks as if Pauly Walnuts shoots someone (or something)....

nicky_d
03-20-06, 01:49 PM
I dont like Vito anymore. He is playing both sides of the field, he calls Phil Leotardo his "cousin" while I dont think he is. He is way too greedy, i think it is possible he gets whacked

Yeah -- did you notice in the first episode he walked away with Phil (out of earshot of Tony) when they were all in front of Satriale's. He did the same thing when they all met outside of Bada Bing when discussing money "damages" for the guy that was beat up and hit by the cab. Very suspicious.......

krystl
03-20-06, 01:50 PM
Speaking of Vito, that was a very interesting comment he made about the guy who killed himself. He said something like "Maybe he was homosexual..."
Wasn't it Vito who Meadow's boyfriend saw in the car with another man, obviously engaged in a sexual act?
Yeah, that was him.

Well, I haven't been watching the show as long as most people here, so I didn't get that a lot of the dream stuff was from past shows. I don't know who Charmaine is. I just thought it sounded like Carm's voice on the phone.
I took it to mean that he was remembering/flshing back to the past when his kids were younger. I guess I was way off. :lol:

Does anyone know where the Alzheimers diagnosis fits in (unless it has to do with Uncle Junior).

RhodeyYankee2638
03-20-06, 01:55 PM
Yeah, that was him.

Well, I haven't been watching the show as long as most people here, so I didn't get that a lot of the dream stuff was from past shows. I don't know who Charmaine is. I just thought it sounded like Carm's voice on the phone.
I took it to mean that he was remembering/flshing back to the past when his kids were younger. I guess I was way off. :lol:

Does anyone know where the Alzheimers diagnosis fits in (unless it has to do with Uncle Junior).

Charmaine is his friend Arties wife, the chef that owns the restaurent. Last season, Tony had a long dream before he whacked Blundetto, he was having sex with Charmaine while Artie rooted him on. i believe he also asked what it would be like if he married her.

Junior has Alzheimers, last season it really pissed Tony off although Tony knew he had it. I guess you can look at it in two ways, Tony's death in the hospital can be relatively quick compared to the years of suffering Junior (or anyone with alzheimers) has to go through

PeteRFNY
03-20-06, 02:01 PM
I hear rumors that it symoblizes Purgatory, which is why there are signs of heaven (the lighthouse) and hell (the fire of Costa Mesa)

I got a slightly different impression - that the lighthouse is the connection to what is going on around him while he is in the coma, and the fires are the hell that awaits him if he "goes".

So much to think about! What a great show.

RhodeyYankee2638
03-20-06, 02:05 PM
I got a slightly different impression - that the lighthouse is the connection to what is going on around him while he is in the coma, and the fires are the hell that awaits him if he "goes".

So much to think about! What a great show.

idk, it could be. i remember learning in literature that the lighthouse symblizes heaven or the right path to follow (such as in Beowulf)

i think the helicopter overhead symbolizes whats going on around him. The first time the copter is overhead, you can distinctly see a doctor with a flashlight looking in his eyes

boo_427
03-20-06, 02:31 PM
Haven't seen this posted.

http://www.nj.com/sopranos/ledger/index.ssf?/sopranos/stories/seasonsix_3.html

Some really interesting stuff.


The voice of Purgatory Tony's wife wasn't played by Annabella Sciorra, or any other actress who's been on the show before; she's just a generic non-Carmela female voice.

MisterNovember
03-20-06, 04:21 PM
Does anyone know where the Alzheimers diagnosis fits in (unless it has to do with Uncle Junior).

Tony made a very interesting comment about the Alzheimers after he was diagnosed, he said something along the lines of "pretty soon I won't even know who I am". Maybe it is foreshadowing his impending brain damage, or even have something to do with reincarnation (as someone mentioned that the monks might symbolize). Either way, I think it has more significance than just being a reminder of Juniors' condition.

yanksrule69
03-20-06, 04:38 PM
Does anyone know where the Alzheimers diagnosis fits in (unless it has to do with Uncle Junior).

"It's a death sentence"

RhodeyYankee2638
03-20-06, 05:52 PM
Haven't seen this posted.

http://www.nj.com/sopranos/ledger/index.ssf?/sopranos/stories/seasonsix_3.html

Some really interesting stuff.

Told ya it was purgatory!!!

TripleG23
03-20-06, 05:57 PM
I hear rumors that it symoblizes Purgatory, which is why there are signs of heaven (the lighthouse) and hell (the fire of Costa Mesa)

Yeah, Purgatory was what I was thinking last night too.

Someone on another board I read brought up the point that the conference Tony was trying to get into was Heaven but he didn't have the right ID or Credentials to get in.

Also, while in the hotel the elevator "down" was an elevator to hell but it was out of service meaning he was not ready for hell yet either. He tried to take the red stairs down but could not make it the entire way to hell since he fell and was back to being lost.

I have no clue if that's right or not but it could be an interesting explanation if that is what they are going for.

RhodeyYankee2638
03-20-06, 05:58 PM
Yeah, Purgatory was what I was thinking last night too.

Someone on another board I read brought up the point that the conference Tony was trying to get into was Heaven but he didn't have the right ID or Credentials to get in.

Also, while in the hotel the elevator "down" was an elevator to hell but it was out of service meaning he was not ready for hell yet either. He tried to take the red stairs down but could not make it the entire way to hell since he fell and was back to being lost.

I have no clue if that's right or not but it could be an interesting explanation if that is what they are going for.

wow that actually makes a lot of sense

krystl
03-20-06, 06:05 PM
wow that actually makes a lot of sense
I was going to say the same thing. Very good analysis! :)

TripleG23
03-20-06, 06:09 PM
I was going to say the same thing. Very good analysis! :)

I feel like I'm back in school trying to figure out the meaning to a story or poem and what all the symbols mean. :lol: Great show :D

krystl
03-20-06, 06:14 PM
I feel like I'm back in school trying to figure out the meaning to a story or poem and what all the symbols mean. :lol: Great show :D
I was never any good at those symbolism things in school. :lol:

JDPNYY
03-20-06, 06:18 PM
An excellent show last night and even better discussion about the episode here in this Thread.

TripleG23
03-20-06, 06:26 PM
I have a question maybe someone can answer (and if it has been discussed I apologize)... Isn't the doctor that is treating Tony (the older doctor with the glasses) a guy who Tony threatened a season ago? I *think* he was attacked at a golf course? Am I remembering this right?

I kind of felt the doctor didn't really care what was happening to Tony and I was thinking that might be a reason. Plus, Meadow was questioning what that guy was doing so is he really helping the situation?

nhyankeefan
03-20-06, 06:49 PM
I'm watching a replay right now and a few things strike me as odd:

Why is tony, as a patio furniture salesman, going to a defense contractors convention? It's out of place and I can't find a connection.
when Tony first mentions that he has the briefcase he tells his wife "My entire life is in there" definitley ties to the Purgatory theme.
tony has Kevin Finnerty's wallet, like the guy at the bar said - it sounds like Infinity, again another Purgatory reference.

RhodeyYankee2638
03-20-06, 06:52 PM
tony has Kevin Finnerty's wallet, like the guy at the bar said - it sounds like Infinity, again another Purgatory reference.

actually, thats not purgatory reference. you aren't in purgatory forever, you are either in heaven or hell forever, and i think we know where tony is going :eek:

TripleG23
03-20-06, 07:07 PM
Why is tony, as a patio furniture salesman, going to a defense contractors convention? It's out of place and I can't find a connection..

I'll have to watch the replay but I think selling Patio Furniture was his former job and now he is selling something that would have to do with the convention...

EDIT: He was selling precision optics... Thanks Google! :-google-: ...

m_sisca
03-21-06, 05:55 AM
heres what i got from last nights episode. tony is in a coma, having flashes of what his life would be like had he gone the straight route.

STRAIGHT LIFE

tony orders a grouper sandwich

is confronted and hit by 2 buddhist monks

there is a bear by the elevators

married to charmaine, who is against the mob life (not gloria as i thought earlier)

went from selling patio furniture to fiberoptics

makes out with a woman who looks a bit like Dr Melfi

MOB LIFE

grouper talks to tony in a dream (big pussy confessing)

is confronted and nearly whacked by 2 black guys

there is a bear in his backyard

married to carmela, who chose to marry a made guy for a materialistic life (as admitted to father intintola)

told carmela , "would you rather me be selling patio furniture on route 46?" or something to that extent

really wants to shag Dr Melfi


also, i think that the light in the distance represents heaven,
the wildfires in costa mesa represent hell
stuck in the hotel not being able to leave represents purgatory
the bartender saying "around here, its dead" also alludes to purgatory
tony picking up the phone, starting to dial then hanging up is showing that he wants to come out of the coma but isnt ready yet.



there is a sh!tload of symbolism in this episode. the casual watcher may not pick up on all of it, but personally i think it was brilliantly done.
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Jim F.
03-21-06, 08:50 AM
there is a bear by the elevatorsI totally missed that...

Mezmerize
03-21-06, 11:22 AM
I totally missed that...

"Please 'Bear' with us!"

I thought it was a neat way to convey the idea that the elevator was out of service.

allybear
03-21-06, 01:07 PM
"Please 'Bear' with us!"

I thought it was a neat way to convey the idea that the elevator was out of service.

Of course, being a bear and all, I noticed that, but I didn't even connect it to the bear in the backyard... :doh: !

PlsDontTearDownY.S.
03-21-06, 02:06 PM
Agreed, Barb.
You can get away with 'dream sequence' episodes, but not two in a row.

How about when Paulie was his typical "jockeying for position" self when they argue about who was going to take AJ home from the hospital, and says "Hey, I brought sfogliatelles!"

It's lines/scenes like those two that totally crack me up.[/I]

The part when Pauly called AJ Van Helsing had me rolling! It was one of the highlights of the show for me, all in all I thought it was a boring show since I don't get caught up in all the symbolism and hidden meanings from the dream sequences.



That scene was VERY Godfather. Michael and his father, in the hospital after he was shot.


I don't think AJ will, but if he does it will end horribly for him. He's not cut out for that life, if he tries it he'll probably miss Junior and shoot the mailman or landscaper.

Jim F.
03-21-06, 02:09 PM
"Please 'Bear' with us!"

I thought it was a neat way to convey the idea that the elevator was out of service.Ah, right... that bear. I was thinking that I missed a real bear in the scene w/ the buddhist monks.

3M'sBoys
03-26-06, 09:52 PM
OK. I am laughing my ass off with Paulie Walnuts. :lol:

3M'sBoys
03-26-06, 09:55 PM
Wow- it really looks like they're going to kill off Tony????

nhyankeefan
03-26-06, 09:56 PM
Wow- it really looks like they're going to kill off Tony????

He's pulled through. that was a pretty cool scene with him and Tony B though.

MisterNovember
03-26-06, 09:57 PM
Tony looks pretty severely brain-damaged...wonder if he'll be half vegetable for the rest of the series.

nhyankeefan
03-26-06, 09:58 PM
I wonder how long they're going to drag out Tony's potential brain damage.

yankeesrule2000
03-26-06, 09:59 PM
His eyes def dont look right...

yankeesrule2000
03-26-06, 10:00 PM
Well if you just saw that quick teaser, it looks like he comes out of it fine...

MisterNovember
03-26-06, 10:00 PM
I wonder how long they're going to drag out Tony's potential brain damage.

Apparently not that long...in the previews he seemed pretty much back to normal

nhyankeefan
03-26-06, 10:00 PM
According to the previews it looks like Tony recovers quickly.

nhyankeefan
03-26-06, 10:01 PM
Apparently not that long...in the previews he seemed pretty much back to normal

Damn, that's the second time you posted something right before me.

3M'sBoys
03-26-06, 10:02 PM
He's a half-baked potato.

3M'sBoys
03-26-06, 10:02 PM
Oops- haven't seen the previews yet.

RhodeyYankee2638
03-26-06, 10:03 PM
my favorite part was when he saw his younger mother at the house and he gave her a glare. Paulie had me laughing the entire time

MisterNovember
03-26-06, 10:04 PM
Damn, that's the second time you posted something right before me.

:lol:

Sorry!

yankeesrule2000
03-26-06, 10:05 PM
I thought it was awesome how his cousin was the one at Death's door...They say when you die and go wherever your going, the last relative who died is the first one you meet..pretty awesome episode.

PeteRFNY
03-27-06, 01:22 AM
Well, I was wrong on a couple of things - turns out the "lighthouse" was "THE LIGHT" of death, and Tony came THISCLOSE...

I also thought they were gonna keep him in the coma most of the season - whoops! Regardless, another great episode, full of stuff to think about.

Plus, after all of Christopher's emoting of the last two weeks, he reverts right back to form as soon as Tony comes out of the coma!

Interesting notes: Michael Imperoli actually had a cameo in tonight's episode of The Family Guy AS Christopher! He helped Stewie bury a body (well, they're actually planting a tree). Funny as the shows are airing at the same time (thank you, TiVo!).

Also - the scenes from two weeks ago when Tony checks into "The Omni" and gets slapped by the Monk - then falls down the stairs - were filmed at the Crowne Plaza hotel in Secaucus! I'll be there next weekend for the annual Beatlefest - now I'll get to add some Sopranos moments to the weekend!

I'll try not to fall down the stairs, thought! ;)

cb2u
03-27-06, 07:57 AM
I thought it was awesome how his cousin was the one at Death's door...They say when you die and go wherever your going, the last relative who died is the first one you meet..pretty awesome episode.
But if the house represented death, why was Tony B. not inside the house... unless Tony B. is in purgatory also.

I thought that shadowy figure inside the house was definitely his mother. Is it possible that the house represented life, & if so, was the mother figure symbolic? Meaning that if Tony goes back to the living, he still has to face his "mother issues", which are at the root of everything that makes him tick?

And what did the briefcase represent? He would not let go of it...I thought maybe it represented the mob life, and his power as the boss.

This episode was so awesome, I can't stop thinking about it.

Edie Falco's acting blew me away. The scene when she said those horrible things to AJ & then went into her room, it was riveting. To say something so terrible & then realize you can never take it back.....