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ReggieBar
12-22-05, 04:12 PM
to tell you the truth i still don't understand this assumption that damon will drop off the planet both on offense and defense before the contract is over.. i can only assume it's because that's basically what happened with our last cf..

Hmmm, could it be?

Tifoso
12-22-05, 04:13 PM
to tell you the truth i still don't understand this assumption that damon will drop off the planet both on offense and defense before the contract is over.. i can only assume it's because that's basically what happened with our last cf..


Me, either.

The assumption that he'll be awful after two years is certainly/obviously based purely on conjecture. He could easily be very good (something his injury-free past would seem to indicate).

Some people just like to be miserable, I guess. :dunno:

grabick_luca
12-22-05, 04:15 PM
Why not? Jeter is 31, Damon is 32. Both play demanding positions. What gives? Why won't Jeter's production decline in 2 years?


Great point both positions are physically demanding. Jeter is yet to have a bad year (knock on wood) so we tend to overlook a decline and he is under contract will till 2094 because he's superhuman.

RobRiv
12-22-05, 04:16 PM
His point was that the Yankees have significantly upgraded CF over Bernie and company from last season. He was comparing Bernie today with Damon today. You compared Bernie's offense from the late 90's to Damon's offense today.

Got it. Sorry for the confusion. I'm sure Damon will be fine. I just wish he wasn't coming to the Yanks.

yankeebot
12-22-05, 04:19 PM
Great point both positions are physically demanding. Jeter is yet to have a bad year (knock on wood) so we tend to overlook a decline and he is under contract will till 2094 because he's superhuman.
Is intangibles secret code for superhuman?

BronxByTheBay
12-22-05, 04:23 PM
I think you may be overestimating the arm thing. I think Johnny may be jealous of Bernie's throwing arm.

I can live with a weak arm as long as the guy can get to more stuff than Bernie.

Tifoso
12-22-05, 04:23 PM
Got it. Sorry for the confusion. I'm sure Damon will be fine. I just wish he wasn't coming to the Yanks.


(AP) Rabble Rousing, Womanizing, Ill-Spoken Red Sox Becomes a Yankee

New York Times Headline......






































December 22, 1917. ;)

NOT SAYING DAMON=RUTH, OK?

My point is they were disliked as Sox, both were/will be liked as Yanks. ;)

PittsburghYankeeFan
12-22-05, 04:25 PM
jcan411, in some ways you sound like a pissed off Red Sox fan than a true Damon hater--I'm trying to figure out which.

We put our hated Sox rivals in chaos. That is worth another 2-3 million per year to me.

$13 million per is the market value this year (Furcal, Matsui)--we just have to live with it. If the Sox had not been so inept, they probably would have paid it as well.

PettittesPrincess
12-22-05, 04:35 PM
both were/will be liked as Yanks. ;)


I will never like Damon, no matter who he plays for.

silverdsl
12-22-05, 04:38 PM
Is intangibles secret code for superhuman?Probably not. Unfortunately even the best players eventually start to decline or have their abilities hampered by injury. Damon and Jeter likely will see their performance errode to some degree by the end of their respective contracts, however, it's never a certainty to what degree. It could be a Bernie type situation where it seemed like he lost a lot very quickly or it could be a Clemens type situation where the performance is still outstanding and any issues stem from minor physical problems.

-Deborah

Tifoso
12-22-05, 04:41 PM
I will never like Damon, no matter who he plays for.

As is your right, of course. :)

yankeebot
12-22-05, 04:41 PM
I will never like Damon, no matter who he plays for.I kind of feel the same way but I use to feel that way about Giambi and somewhere along the way something clicked. Now he is a favorite. I am hoping the same thing happens to me with Damon.

PettittesPrincess
12-22-05, 04:42 PM
I kind of feel the same way but I use to feel that way about Giambi and somewhere along the way something clicked. Now he is a favorite. I am hoping the same thing happens to me with Damon.

I still feel that way.

Tifoso
12-22-05, 04:43 PM
I still feel that way.

:eek: :giveup:

ieddyi
12-22-05, 04:45 PM
I would rather have a mix. instead of almost all over 30 players past their primes I would like to give legit shots for more players like cano, and more trades for younger guys that have upside. Not everything is a sure thing, but those would be better deals than an over the hill Damon for 13 MILLION DOLLARS. We could do much more with that money... Then we could have a little more continuity and hopefully try for a WS in 5 years. Thats what the marlins did in 2003. And in large partts the sox in 2004. Thats team had a bunch of guys right around 30 that were not superstars that had great years (mueller, arroyo, lowe, nixon, O cab, bellhorn) why do we need to pay over 10 million for all our position players, and still not have a WS in the last 5 years?

The reason the sawx won in 2004 was because they went out and paid up for an old pitcher- Schilling. W/o him, they don't win. Period

Tifoso
12-22-05, 04:46 PM
The reason the sawx won in 2004 was because they went out and paid up for an old pitcher- Schilling. W/o him, they don't win. Period


And a major collapse in a Damon-less line-up ;)

ieddyi
12-22-05, 04:48 PM
Listen is damon a better player? yes. But my point is that he is not 12 million dollars better than Micheals. Do you think he is 12 times better than him? [b] If we had gotten Damon for 3 million[/i] I would be doing cartwheels right now...

IN what parallel univers does that occur. He was paid slightly over market value. He was clearly the best CF option available. He's 32- same age and body type as Derek and signed for the same length of time Do you expect Derek to fall apart the next 2 years??

JDPNYY
12-22-05, 04:55 PM
I can live with a weak arm as long as the guy can get to more stuff than Bernie.

Well... You have no choice now, do you?

ieddyi
12-22-05, 04:56 PM
Wang 2006 ZIPS 141 innings, 4.41 ERA, 79 SO - wow we should really keep this guy!!!! Oh, and thats IF he's 100% this year and IF he does not hurt himslef again.

You keep citing projections as if they have a direct correlation to what will actually happen. I've never seen any system that is truly accurate and it's comical that stat based people actually give creedence to them as they require huge leaps of faith

ieddyi
12-22-05, 04:58 PM
...and a smaller porn collection (unconfirmed).

Johnny married his

ieddyi
12-22-05, 05:04 PM
Another point -

We have almost all unmoveable players in the field

Posada
Damon
Sheff
AROD
Jeter
Giambi
Matsui
RJ
MOOSE
Wright

No one would trade for these guys. We are locked into them no matter what. If you look at the world series recent history it has been a bunch of superstars and then lesser players that have big roles that are paid little. That is what we had when we won it, and that is what we need. As I showed before I bet damon add 3 to 4 wins per season over a replacement CF. that is not that great and there is no reason to pay 13 million for it.


Yeah too bad we can't move Arod- paying 14M/year for the best player in MLB is a terrible position to be locked into.
Sheff is off the books after this year and has been a great producer. And, mr frugal 1/3 of his salary is deferred w/o interest- just a terrible burden on the team
Jeter- yes another albatross- the face of the franchise- how did you feel abut the sawx paying Tek 4/40???
Wright gone after this year
Moose- last year also- his contract was a big plus for us considering his total cintribution

This is like shooting fish in a barrel

Pinata time in December

BronxByTheBay
12-22-05, 05:11 PM
Well... You have no choice now, do you?

What...you're saying the discussions that take place in this forum don't have any effect on Yankee FO moves?

HELL you say.

BronxByTheBay
12-22-05, 05:13 PM
niether do you...

Right. Which is why I'm not making absolute statements about what Damon's abilities will be in two seasons. See how that works?

Spiker101
12-22-05, 06:00 PM
And also add the players gained with the Damon money. Its not pointless. Pointless is giving Damon 13 million dollars a year for 4 years to play below average centerfield, and be an average hitter.

You do know that Damon had the second highest OPS among AL CFers each of the last two seasons? Or are your premonitions so powerful you no longer require facts?

Tifoso
12-22-05, 06:03 PM
You do know that Damon had the second highest OPS among CFers each of the last two seasons? Or are your premonitions so powerful you no longer require facts?


Did not know. Thanks :)

Who's 1st?

JavyVazquezIsSick
12-22-05, 06:04 PM
Did not know. Thanks :)

Who's 1st?

I'm gonna guess with Edmonds...

Tifoso
12-22-05, 06:05 PM
I'm gonna guess with Edmonds...

Of course. :o

JavyVazquezIsSick
12-22-05, 06:06 PM
Of course. :o

I looked it up, I guess Spiker means in the AL. In that case it was Grady Sizemore this year and Rowand last year...

Spiker101
12-22-05, 06:17 PM
Did not know. Thanks :)

Who's 1st?

Grady Sizemore (and that's going to be a ballplayer) in '05 and Aaron Rowand in '04.

Spiker101
12-22-05, 06:18 PM
I looked it up, I guess Spiker means in the AL. In that case it was Grady Sizemore this year and Rowand last year...

Yep, I forgot that detail:o

YankeePride1967
12-22-05, 06:39 PM
Per YES, Press conference is at 1 PM Friday and it will be broadcast live on YES.

Dooley Womack
12-22-05, 06:41 PM
Here is where Cashman was expert at making this deal:


But Cashman also told Boras that if the Yankees' offer was not accepted, Cashman would very publicly announce they were out of the bidding, which might even convince Boston to lower its bid as the lone team left in negotiations. Instead, Damon accepted without giving the Red Sox an opportunity to match, which left the Boston front office looking stunned and inept. The Red Sox had let an emotional, tactical edge fritter away and, worst of all, let it be the Yankees who stole an immensely popular, productive player.

http://www.nypost.com/sports/yankees/60049.htm

Think about how incredibly smooth Cashman was. After the Dodgers signed Lofton, Cashman put the final offer on the table. Then by saying he'll go public if not accepted, FORCED Boras's hand, knowing that the Sox would then know they had no competition for Damon's services and could possibly come in even lower than their original offer, knowing they'd have Boras and Damon by the balls. Instead the YANKS had them by the cajones.

The Sox, in turn, thinking they had the upper hand, probably thought that Boras was bluffing about the Yanks interest and sincerity and thought they'd sit back and nab Damon for pennies. One of their frat boy GM's thought it was a bluff, because when he called Boras he explicity said it wasn't about Damon, not knowing or believing that Damon was close to accepting the Yank's offer. The Sox sure got screwed with their pants down. :lol:

Couldn't have been scriped better. Brilliant!

Yankees1962
12-22-05, 06:41 PM
Per YES, Press conference is at 1 PM Friday and it will be broadcast live on YES.
Thanks for that information, I will Tivo and watch it at the same time. I hope New York's finest journalists are on their toes and ask some good questions about this acquisition.

YankeePride1967
12-22-05, 06:42 PM
Here is where Cashman was expert at making this deal:



http://www.nypost.com/sports/yankees/60049.htm

Think about how incredibly smooth Cashman was. After the Dodgers signed Lofton, Cashman put the final offer on the table. Then by saying he'll go public if not accepted, FORCED Boras's hand, knowing that the Sox would then know they had no competition for Damon's services and could possibly come in even lower than their original offer, knowing they'd have Boras and Damon by the balls.

The Sox, in turn, thinking they had the upper hand, probably thought that Boras was bluffing about the Yanks interest and sincerity and thought they'd sit back and nab Damon for pennies. One of their frat boy GM's thought it was a bluff, because when he called Boras he explicity said it wasn't about Damon, not knowing that Damon was close to accepting the Yank's offer. The Sox sure got screwed with their pants down. :lol:

Brilliant!

I will have you know that Dooley is a friend of mine and I don't think he would appreciate you posting under his name! ;)

YankeePride1967
12-22-05, 06:43 PM
Thanks for that information, I will Tivo and watch it at the same time. I hope New York's finest journalists are on their toes and ask some good questions about this acquisition.

Exactly and hopefully will make it even more known the job Brian did. He did what few GMs do, take the ball out of Scott Boras' hand.

Dooley Womack
12-22-05, 06:45 PM
I will have you know that Dooley is a friend of mine and I don't think he would appreciate you posting under his name! ;)

Who the hell is Dooley? :lol:
Do you agree that this was an expert ploy and tactic?

YankeePride1967
12-22-05, 06:47 PM
Who the hell is Dooley? :lol:
Do you agree that this was an expert ploy and tactic?

Very much so. Brian did what few GM's do and that's take the control out of Boras hand and make the game based on Brian's rules.

WebsterMulligan
12-22-05, 06:47 PM
Love your av, Dooley! Nice work!

38Special
12-22-05, 06:52 PM
http://cbs4boston.com/sports/local_story_356070818.html - Video interview with CBS4 in Boston's Dan Roche

http://wcbstv.com/sports/local_story_356120739.html - Video interview with grade A a-hole Duke Castiglione from CBS2 in New York (yeah the same guy who's dad is a broadcaster for the Sox and bumrushed Randy last year)

NYY7
12-22-05, 06:52 PM
I agree, Cashman couldn't have played it any better. He got, what I consider the best CF option with what was left to choose from, without giving up younger talent like Cano, at a virtual scratch from what he's no longer paying Bernie and plastered egg all over Boston's face at the same time. I don't see how anyone can argue with that.

yankeebot
12-22-05, 06:53 PM
Cashman has dealt with Boras so many times that he is not going to be fooled by his smoke and mirrors. Boras is going to have to learn a few new tricks.

Tifoso
12-22-05, 06:57 PM
http://cbs4boston.com/sports/local_story_356070818.html - Video interview with CBS4 in Boston's Dan Roche

http://wcbstv.com/sports/local_story_356120739.html - Video interview with grade A a-hole Duke Castiglione from CBS2 in New York (yeah the same guy who's dad is a broadcaster for the Sox and bumrushed Randy last year)


Thanks a lot for the links. Wish more guys would post these, for the benefit of we West coasters.

Someone offered him 6 years. Wow. Wonder who?

WebsterMulligan
12-22-05, 06:59 PM
Someone offered him 6 years. Wow. Wonder who?

That would be the mystery team, of course. Most likely a phantom.

lem
12-22-05, 07:01 PM
Boras's mystery team might have been the best ever, dishing out these seven year contracts every offseason, but unfortunately for them it's never about the money.

Tifoso
12-22-05, 07:01 PM
That would be the mystery team, of course. Most likely a phantom.


Thought crossed my mind. Useful before the fact, of course, but why mention it now?

Yankees1962
12-22-05, 07:08 PM
Someone offered him 6 years. Wow. Wonder who?
The same team that offered Millwood that big contract three years ago.

Tifoso
12-22-05, 07:10 PM
The same team that offered Millwood that big contract three years ago.


:lol:

38Special
12-22-05, 07:14 PM
The best article i've read regarding the Damon signing

http://yankeefan.blogspot.com/2005/12/johnny-b-good-enough.html

JavyVazquezIsSick
12-22-05, 07:24 PM
The best article i've read regarding the Damon signing

http://yankeefan.blogspot.com/2005/12/johnny-b-good-enough.html

Thanks. Good read...

Yankees1962
12-22-05, 07:25 PM
Exactly and hopefully will make it even more known the job Brian did. He did what few GMs do, take the ball out of Scott Boras' hand.
Yankee Haters are starting to learn to fear Cashman as they once were with Steinbrenner, back when George was at the top of his game.

Tifoso
12-22-05, 07:29 PM
The best article i've read regarding the Damon signing

http://yankeefan.blogspot.com/2005/12/johnny-b-good-enough.html

Great article.Thanks, amico mio.:gulp:

YankeePride1967
12-22-05, 07:32 PM
Yankee Haters are starting to learn to fear Cashman as they once were with Steinbrenner, back when George was at the top of his game.

Yup and we now have the formula in place that we have needed for quite awhile. George's resources and Brian's brains.

OKCYankee
12-22-05, 07:42 PM
I just saw Dan Patrick, on ESPN. He closed SportsCenter with a breaking news story. Seems that the Red Sox, in an obvious act of revenge for the Damon signing, have signed former Yankee catcher John Flaherty.


LOL

Where are we gonna find a bullpen catcher??????

Yeah... I guess THEY caught US sleeping THIS time!!!!!

:NY: :smokin: :NY:

YankeeFan1
12-22-05, 07:53 PM
How can the Yankees survive without Flaherty's negative VORP and bad defense?

fredgmuggs
12-22-05, 08:03 PM
The best article i've read regarding the Damon signing

http://yankeefan.blogspot.com/2005/12/johnny-b-good-enough.html

Thanks. That was a good article.

My only minor quibble with it is Damon will be 35 years old at the end of the 4 year contract, not 36 years old (which is what he said he will be at the end of the contract). I know it's splitting hairs but Damon's birthday is on November 5 (1973) and he will be playing next season as a 32 year old.

Dooley Womack
12-22-05, 08:04 PM
How can the Yankees survive without Flaherty's negative VORP and bad defense?

It's going to hurt big-time to see him do likewise with the Sox. My entire family is heartbroken.

IncredibleByNature
12-22-05, 08:07 PM
It's going to hurt big-time to see him do likewise with the Sox. My entire family is heartbroken.

Now watch him get a big hit against us and maybe even knock one ova the Monstah. :o

JDPNYY
12-22-05, 08:12 PM
I just saw Dan Patrick, on ESPN. He closed SportsCenter with a breaking news story. Seems that the Red Sox, in an obvious act of revenge for the Damon signing, have signed former Yankee catcher John Flaherty.


LOL

Where are we gonna find a bullpen catcher??????

Yeah... I guess THEY caught US sleeping THIS time!!!!!

:NY: :smokin: :NY:

This is a classic example of why Cashman takes so much flack by people (Dooley) around here.

Dooley Womack
12-22-05, 08:13 PM
Now watch him get a big hit against us and maybe even knock one ova the Monstah. :o

Just our luck...:lol:

Dooley Womack
12-22-05, 08:13 PM
This is a classic example of why Cashman takes so much flack by people (Dooley) around here.

:roflmao: Hey!!! You're skipping by the few kudos I've given him!

IncredibleByNature
12-22-05, 08:15 PM
Just our luck...:lol:

Exactly. :lol: You just know he'll come back and bite us in the ass at least once next season.

IncredibleByNature
12-22-05, 09:29 PM
Snippity snip...

http://mlb.mlb.com/images/2005/12/22/Qe5HKJwz.jpg

Bernie Inferno
12-22-05, 09:37 PM
Snippity snip...

http://mlb.mlb.com/images/2005/12/22/Qe5HKJwz.jpg It looks like he likes it! Johnny likes it!

Wolfe36
12-22-05, 09:44 PM
Good signing.....for the next 2 years. Remember, Carl Crawford tagged up at 2nd on a FB to Damon......and scored. Look, as a RS fan my initial reaction can't be printed in public, but after looking at the numbers (JD has an OBP of .342 away from Fenway over the last 4 years) that's too much $$ for the value. Maybe not for the Yankees, but it sure looked like the RS had every opportunity to at least match the $$ and chose to look elsewhere.

The discussions now are centered on Glaus for Clement, Graffinino and a prospect, while a pie in the sky discussion involves the Orioles and Cubs moving major parts. Tejada to the Cubs, Manny to the O's, Prior, Cedeno and Patterson to the RS.

Who knows.

Dooley Womack
12-22-05, 09:56 PM
Snippity snip...

http://mlb.mlb.com/images/2005/12/22/Qe5HKJwz.jpg
Oh no! Look at the final results. He looks just like Tony Woemack now.

IncredibleByNature
12-22-05, 09:59 PM
Oh no! Look at the final results. He looks just like Tony Woemack now.

The horror! :scared: :lol:

bakntime
12-22-05, 09:59 PM
Remember, Carl Crawford tagged up at 2nd on a FB to Damon......and scored. Well then, this entire deal was a mistake. We're doomed. :D

Sam18
12-22-05, 10:18 PM
Oh no! Look at the final results. He looks just like Tony Woemack now.

:lol: You of all people shouldn't be making fun of Tony's last name.

Dooley Womack
12-22-05, 10:44 PM
:lol: You of all people shouldn't be making fun of Tony's last name.

Unlike Tony Woemack, this Womack's OBP would be higher than .270 or whatever his was. :lol:

StatenIslandYankee
12-22-05, 11:41 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/ips_rich_content/837-BACK_BIG.jpg

Zimmers' Helmet
12-23-05, 12:46 AM
http://www.nynewsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spyanks1223,0,1324841.story?coll=nyc-sportshome-headlines

Ordering a NY cutShave and a haircut probably cost more than 2 bits, but Damon happy to listen to Boss to get Yanks big bucks
BY DAVID LENNON
STAFF WRITER

December 22, 2005, 11:15 PM EST


Johnny Damon's indoctrination to the Yankee Way, which becomes official today at a news conference in the Bronx, is not without precedent.....

Johnny already cut his hair. There are more pics if you check out the link.
http://www.newsday.com/media/photo/2005-12/21099850.jpg
http://www.newsday.com/media/photo/2005-12/21099862.jpg

38Special
12-23-05, 12:54 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/23/sports/baseball/23damon.html

Lots of friends/ex gms discuss Damon

AMYanks
12-23-05, 12:58 AM
http://photos1.blogger.com/hello/108/8202/640/caveman.jpg
Ladies and gentlemen of the press, I'm just a caveman. I fell on some ice, and into a crevass and was later thawed by some of your scientists. Your world frightens and confuses me! Sometimes when Id fly 1<SUP>st</SUP> class to road games, Id wonder, am I inside some sort of giant bird? Am I gonna be digested? I don't know, because I'm a caveman, and that's the way I think! When I'd roam the grass of Fenway Park, Id wonder if the ball is some sort of food they're fighting over. Sometimes when the people would chant, Damon! Damon! Id wonder: "Are those people summoning demons?" and then Id see my image on the Jumbotron, and Id wonder, are they stealing my soul? Id get so upset, Id hop off the bench and into the clubhouse, where Id get Wally to make me one of those martinis he's so famous for, to soothe my primitive caveman brain. But that green monster would scare me so much that Id get into my BMW.. and run off to the Big Apple, or wherever. I don't know! My primitive mind can't grasp concepts like team loyalty. But there is one thing I do know - when a man like Mr. Steinbrenner needs a new CF, and is willing to pay me $52 million to play CF, Ill shed my caveman appearance and play CF. Thank you.

:lol:

Great SNL memories.

flymick24
12-23-05, 01:00 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/23/sports/baseball/23damon.html

Lots of friends/ex gms discuss Damon

it's interesting that his throwing motion developed from a football injury... i always thought he looked a little clumsy

bigguygonz
12-23-05, 01:06 AM
http://www.newsday.com/media/photo/2005-12/21099850.jpg
http://www.newsday.com/media/photo/2005-12/21099862.jpg

If he was wearing his 04 ring, I would vomit all over the place... but for now I'll just vomit in my mouth.

Who is the girl in the mirror and why is she squatting like she's gotta take a dump?

Jace
12-23-05, 01:07 AM
If he was wearing his 04 ring, I would vomit all over the place... but for now I'll just vomit in my mouth.

Who is the girl in the mirror and why is she squatting like she's gotta take a dump?

I believe she has just gotten a haircut and she is in the process of standing up.

edit: actually i dont see a chair behind her. She's probably just a psychopath

Boricua21
12-23-05, 01:10 AM
We will be fine. I think this will be great for us. I do. There was nothing out there and he's going to gel great with our clubhouse and give us something we've been lacking. I welcome Johnny Damon. We have to stick up for him now. You know how sore the Boston fans are about everything. Boston dropped the ball. He wanted to go back but they balked. We were patient and he started to see that we really wanted him, with all of the phone calls and all. I'm excited for the season to start. Let's play ball already.

keithf1
12-23-05, 01:12 AM
We will be fine. I think this will be great for us. I do. There was nothing out there and he's going to gel great with our clubhouse and give us something we've been lacking. I welcome Johnny Damon. We have to stick up for him now. You know how sore the Boston fans are about everything. Boston dropped the ball. He wanted to go back but they balked. We were patient and he started to see that we really wanted him, with all of the phone calls and all. I'm excited for the season to start. Let's play ball already.
I agree 100%. It's gonna take a while for it to sink in that Johnny Damon is a Yankee though. We'll get used to it :D.

bigguygonz
12-23-05, 01:15 AM
I agree 100%. It's gonna take a while for it to sink in that Johnny Damon is a Yankee though. We'll get used to it :D.

http://photos1.blogger.com/hello/108/8202/640/Here%27s%20Johnny%21%21%21.jpg

If gets on and gets over, we'll get used to him real quick.

But I'm still going to laugh when he throws the ball...

Mattpat11
12-23-05, 01:20 AM
http://www.nynewsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spyanks1223,0,1324841.story?coll=nyc-sportshome-headlines


Johnny already cut his hair. There are more pics if you check out the link.
http://www.newsday.com/media/photo/2005-12/21099850.jpg
He looks like Harry Hamlin.

And is he wearing a night gown?

JavyVazquezIsSick
12-23-05, 01:21 AM
His wife is smoking, does she know hes gay?

bigguygonz
12-23-05, 01:23 AM
His wife is smoking, does she know hes gay?

That's his wife? I thought that was Tori Spelling!

Donna Martin Graduates!!!

bigguygonz
12-23-05, 01:24 AM
And is he wearing a night gown?

I believe that's a smock... a pink smock to be more precise.

Mattpat11
12-23-05, 01:26 AM
I believe that's a smock... a pink smock to be more precise. He didn't take the thing off before the picture?

bigguygonz
12-23-05, 01:28 AM
He didn't take the thing off before the picture?

He's comfortable with that side of him...

PettittesPrincess
12-23-05, 02:45 AM
:eek: :giveup:
Sorry for not jumping on the bandwagon of every player we sign... whatever.

Mattpat11
12-23-05, 03:12 AM
Sorry for not jumping on the bandwagon of every player we sign... whatever. I agree with this. You don't have to *like* the players. Thats just a bonus.

Mangycur
12-23-05, 03:15 AM
If he was wearing his 04 ring, I would vomit all over the place... but for now I'll just vomit in my mouth.

Who is the girl in the mirror and why is she squatting like she's gotta take a dump?


Maybe she's just getting into position to cut off his tip jar toss?

PettittesPrincess
12-23-05, 03:15 AM
I agree with this. You don't have to *like* the players. Thats just a bonus.



Appparently I need to do a cheer everytime he's up to bat or something...

NYYBombshell
12-23-05, 03:50 AM
His wife is smoking, does she know hes gay?


Johnny Damon is gay? Where did you read this?

NYYBombshell
12-23-05, 03:50 AM
Appparently I need to do a cheer everytime he's up to bat or something...


You don't need to do sh*t.

PettittesPrincess
12-23-05, 03:55 AM
You don't need to do sh*t.

Aww thanks for letting me know!!!

Sheff_Rod
12-23-05, 03:56 AM
I also can't stand Damon, and it's gonna be very hard for me to like him, but I am Yankee fan and he's a Yankee now so I'm gonna have to root for him. If he fails that a different story though. :evil:

NYYBombshell
12-23-05, 04:01 AM
Aww thanks for letting me know!!!


Anytime. I love when I can help people. It gives me the warm and fuzzies.

NYDCYankee
12-23-05, 04:12 AM
Not sure if this has been mentioned anywhere but Damon is taking Crosby's job and his number #18.

Vin
12-23-05, 04:15 AM
Crosby can always use #19 ;)

NYDCYankee
12-23-05, 04:16 AM
Crosby can always use #19 ;)

He is actually.

NYDCYankee
12-23-05, 04:17 AM
Though I don't know if he asked Leiter.

Sheff_Rod
12-23-05, 04:18 AM
Not sure if this has been mentioned anywhere but Damon is taking Crosby's job and his number #18.

Damn, someone got...

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b212/BX13Bombers/crosby.jpg

(hey, it's late!)

shutout
12-23-05, 08:11 AM
I also can't stand Damon, and it's gonna be very hard for me to like him, but I am Yankee fan and he's a Yankee now so I'm gonna have to root for him. If he fails that a different story though. :evil:

These are exactly my thoughts. I can't stand the dude, but he's a Yankee now; so I'll be cheering for him. + I actually think he's a great lead off hitter for us.

C-BUS CLIPPER
12-23-05, 08:13 AM
Was just listening to ESPN radio and they had Gammons on. Man, that guy has totally lost it over this signing. He sounded like he was going to cry. :lol:

Anyone hear it? It was too funny!

StatenIslandYankee
12-23-05, 08:18 AM
Steve Phillips sounds depressed on ESPN radio. HEH.

YanksFan
12-23-05, 08:31 AM
I just saw Dan Patrick, on ESPN. He closed SportsCenter with a breaking news story. Seems that the Red Sox, in an obvious act of revenge for the Damon signing, have signed former Yankee catcher John Flaherty.


LOL

Where are we gonna find a bullpen catcher??????

Yeah... I guess THEY caught US sleeping THIS time!!!!!

:NY: :smokin: :NY:


You should be ashamed of yourself for acting like a 9 year old schoolgirl. "seems the red sox, in an act of revenge".

Dude, what are you talking about???

Your obviously not a baseball fan or else you wouldn't be saying such assanine things.....(spelling?)

Go watch General Hospital, Groupie!

Sam18
12-23-05, 08:44 AM
Unlike Tony Woemack, this Womack's OBP would be higher than .270 or whatever his was. :lol:

Yes but you clog the bases buddy.

StatenIslandYankee
12-23-05, 08:51 AM
You should be ashamed of yourself for acting like a 9 year old schoolgirl. "seems the red sox, in an act of revenge".

Dude, what are you talking about???

Your obviously not a baseball fan or else you wouldn't be saying such assanine things.....(spelling?)

Go watch General Hospital, Groupie!
http://bostondirtdogs.com/

cupcollector99
12-23-05, 08:54 AM
more pathetic ranting of the bitter Red Sox nation. Writer Bill Reynolds with the Providence Journal. Damon is now an aging player with no arm that spurned the city where he made his name, just to get more money. Oh, and also his ability on the field didn't make him good, it was his hair. Once he joins the corporate NY Yankees, he'll lose his hair and his personality.
blah, blah, blah..

All this moaning and whinning has been an early christmas gift from SantaBrenner.

heh, heh, heh..

Fabien Brandy
12-23-05, 09:39 AM
Here's an interesting quote from MGL at baseballthinkfactory.com

Damon's adjusted lwts the last 4 years:

2002 8
2003 0
2004 22
2005 13

That is a very nice hitter; an oustanding one for a CF'er. And if I hear one more person (idiot) say how a batter's (or pitcher's ) park is going to affect his value, I will scream. A park doesn't affect a player's value (unless we somehow know that that player's skills are particularly favorable or unfavorable for that park - and believe me, we know nothing about that; people speculate all the time about it, but we know virtually nothing about it)!

Let me say that one more time! Whether Damon (or anyone else) goes to play for a team whose home park is the local Little League Field or he plays for a team that plays his home games in the Grand Canyon, his value is the same.

gdn
12-23-05, 09:40 AM
Here's an interesting quote from MGL at baseballthinkfactory.com

Damon's adjusted lwts the last 4 years:

2002 8
2003 0
2004 22
2005 13

That is a very nice hitter; an oustanding one for a CF'er. And if I hear one more person (idiot) say how a batter's (or pitcher's ) park is going to affect his value, I will scream. A park doesn't affect a player's value (unless we somehow know that that player's skills are particularly favorable or unfavorable for that park - and believe me, we know nothing about that; people speculate all the time about it, but we know virtually nothing about it)!

Let me say that one more time! Whether Damon (or anyone else) goes to play for a team whose home park is the local Little League Field or he plays for a team that plays his home games in the Grand Canyon, his value is the same. What's lwts. Also :link:

Fabien Brandy
12-23-05, 09:46 AM
What's lwts. Also :link:
Here's the quote from MGL: here (http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/newsstand/discussion/all_baseball_lipsett_another_case_against_johnny_damon/)

and here's (http://www.tangotiger.net/lwbymob.htm) a definition of linear weights:

RobRiv
12-23-05, 09:49 AM
Was just listening to ESPN radio and they had Gammons on. Man, that guy has totally lost it over this signing. He sounded like he was going to cry. :lol:

Anyone hear it? It was too funny!

What about when he was asked about the possibility of Manny being traded? I thought he was going to short circuit. But after a few syllables of defiant muttering, he held it together. I pictured him rocking back and forth, tying knots in his lucky Red Sox blanket.

Kulish29
12-23-05, 09:57 AM
You should be ashamed of yourself for acting like a 9 year old schoolgirl. "seems the red sox, in an act of revenge".

Dude, what are you talking about???

Your obviously not a baseball fan or else you wouldn't be saying such assanine things.....(spelling?)

Go watch General Hospital, Groupie!

Uh, a little over the top dont ya think?

They were just posting on something they thought was funny.

jcan411
12-23-05, 10:09 AM
You do know that Damon had the second highest OPS among AL CFers each of the last two seasons? Or are your premonitions so powerful you no longer require facts?


Yeah one whole point higher than that hitting machine David DeJesus. And it probably had nothing to do with hitting in fenway right? Of course DeJesus had to hit for half of his games in the KC which is a significant pitchers park. I bet he's getting 13 million next season too...

heyabbott
12-23-05, 10:12 AM
I apologize in advance for not having read the preceeding 2600 or so messages.

How much does Bubba sell uni#18 to Damon for?

Dooley Womack
12-23-05, 10:19 AM
Anybody know when the press conference is?

gdn
12-23-05, 10:22 AM
Anybody know when the press conference is?1pm EST.

C-BUS CLIPPER
12-23-05, 10:23 AM
I apologize in advance for not having read the preceeding 2600 or so messages.

How much does Bubba sell uni#18 to Damon for?

The amount im not sure, but #18 is now Damon's.....



It wasn't a good week for Bubba Crosby. First, Damon took his starting center-field job. Now, Damon takes Crosby's No. 18 (Crosby moved from No. 19 to 18 when Al Leiter arrived last summer).

http://www.nypost.com/sports/yankees/59338.htm

Spiker101
12-23-05, 10:24 AM
Yeah one whole point higher than that hitting machine David DeJesus. And it probably had nothing to do with hitting in fenway right? Of course DeJesus had to hit for half of his games in the KC which is a significant pitchers park. I bet he's getting 13 million next season too...

Go ahead, make fun of DeJesus. He ever learns to hit lefty pitching, he's going to be a star. Fenway is no picnic for a lefty hitter. By the by, your probable starting CFer for next year had a .675 OPS last year. .805 vs .675?

Dooley Womack
12-23-05, 10:46 AM
1pm EST.

Thanks gdn

shutout
12-23-05, 11:00 AM
Here's an interesting quote from MGL at baseballthinkfactory.com

Damon's adjusted lwts the last 4 years:

2002 8
2003 0
2004 22
2005 13

That is a very nice hitter; an oustanding one for a CF'er. And if I hear one more person (idiot) say how a batter's (or pitcher's ) park is going to affect his value, I will scream. A park doesn't affect a player's value (unless we somehow know that that player's skills are particularly favorable or unfavorable for that park - and believe me, we know nothing about that; people speculate all the time about it, but we know virtually nothing about it)!

Let me say that one more time! Whether Damon (or anyone else) goes to play for a team whose home park is the local Little League Field or he plays for a team that plays his home games in the Grand Canyon, his value is the same.

great points. People seem to think the value of a player is dependant on all sorts of things. Let me fill you in: great players will be great everywhere.

gdn
12-23-05, 11:04 AM
Here's the quote from MGL: here (http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/newsstand/discussion/all_baseball_lipsett_another_case_against_johnny_damon/)

and here's (http://www.tangotiger.net/lwbymob.htm) a definition of linear weights:Thanks! :)

TheTinoMobile
12-23-05, 11:15 AM
This is all i have to say about this... and what is about to happening this afternoon....

http://artpad.art.com/gallery/?iryl2feyd0o

yogibuck
12-23-05, 11:19 AM
Dugout Dollars says the contract is 4 years at $48 MM.

http://www.hardballdollars.com/team.php?team=yankees&name=Yankees&year=2006

Most reports have all said 4 years- $52 M when Boston was only offering 4 years - $40 MM.

Has anyone seen anything confirming the actual contract?

The rumor of a 5 year - $53 M contract being floated makes much more sense if the Dugout Dollar #'s are correct.

shutout
12-23-05, 11:25 AM
Dugout Dollars says the contract is 4 years at $48 MM.

http://www.hardballdollars.com/team.php?team=yankees&name=Yankees&year=2006

Most reports have all said 4 years- $52 M when Boston was only offering 4 years - $40 MM.

Has anyone seen anything confirming the actual contract?

The rumor of a 5 year - $53 M contract being floated makes much more sense if the Dugout Dollar #'s are correct.

Hmm this is weird. Still a heck of a lot of a difference of course, but weird it is. I also heard 4 years: 52 mil.

Mr. Mxylsplk
12-23-05, 11:29 AM
Dugout Dollars says the contract is 4 years at $48 MM.

http://www.hardballdollars.com/team.php?team=yankees&name=Yankees&year=2006

Most reports have all said 4 years- $52 M when Boston was only offering 4 years - $40 MM.

Everything I've seen says $52M. I don't know why dugout dollars has something different - maybe $4M of it is a signing bonus.

YankeeFan1
12-23-05, 11:32 AM
This is all i have to say about this... and what is about to happening this afternoon....

http://artpad.art.com/gallery/?iryl2feyd0o LOL! Very funny. I had never seen that before.

YankeeFan1
12-23-05, 11:34 AM
Dugout Dollars says the contract is 4 years at $48 MM.

http://www.hardballdollars.com/team.php?team=yankees&name=Yankees&year=2006

Most reports have all said 4 years- $52 M when Boston was only offering 4 years - $40 MM.

Has anyone seen anything confirming the actual contract?

The rumor of a 5 year - $53 M contract being floated makes much more sense if the Dugout Dollar #'s are correct. Maybe the $4 million extra is a signing bonus.

LongLiveBernie51!
12-23-05, 11:42 AM
I didn't like the Damon signing at first but that has changed after seeing the reaction from the Red Sox fans. They either cry and threaten violence or try and act like their happy with him leaving and the satisfaction of seeing that is worth it in and of itself. :)

jcan411
12-23-05, 12:46 PM
Go ahead, make fun of DeJesus. He ever learns to hit lefty pitching, he's going to be a star. Fenway is no picnic for a lefty hitter. By the by, your probable starting CFer for next year had a .675 OPS last year. .805 vs .675?

I hope you were kidding about the dejesus line, and my point is there are alot of quality (I have shown) OPS at CF that I have posted that were avaible at a price cheaper than Damon. Listen, I don't hate Damon, I just hate his age for year 3,4 and his throwing.

I have witnessed foryears the yankees making these deals with againg stars. Everyone is hapy when we get them, and then year 3,4,5, or whatever of their contracts everyone is frustrated with their lack of production for the amount of money they make.

We have no one to blame but ourselves. Why Jeter makes 20 million a year and everyone thinks he's a total team guy is beyond me, when there are players like Tom Brady (who i can't stand by the way), that take lower market deals for the good of the team. Is he great? yes. is he worth 20 mill.? IMHO no. Is damon great? slightly. Is he worth 13 mill.? IMHO no.

What people fail to sometimes see, me included, is that its not just that these contracts add to payroll. They also are contracts to aging stars that no one will take off our hands. They are untradeable. That locks in our teams and gives us even less flexability if they fail. I see this Damon deal as another one of those.

Can we move him to left or right? yes. But then do a OPS evaluation in year 3,4 and see how he ranks. I bet you anything it would look horrible compared to the 13 million he's getting.

If we got Reed or Micheals and they are underproducing. Well, then we have options. we can try to trde them, or try to get someone else, and the loss is minimal. thats my major points. take em' or leave em'

JDPNYY
12-23-05, 12:48 PM
Johnny Damon signed with the Yankees?

When the heck did this happen?

Why is there no discussion on this subject around here?

AMYanks
12-23-05, 12:52 PM
Johnny Damon signed with the Yankees?

When the heck did this happen?

Why is there no discussion on this subject around here?

George King said we could get Juan Pierre for Henn and Proctor... that's more of a hot button issue at this time... have you heard anything about this?

MiamiKat
12-23-05, 01:01 PM
The press conference hasn't even started and this is already surreal.

JDPNYY
12-23-05, 01:02 PM
George King said we could get Juan Pierre for Henn and Proctor... that's more of a hot button issue at this time... have you heard anything about this?

I'll let you know on Sunday. George is stopping by for dinner. I'm sure he'll have lots of super cool insider information that he'll pass along to me.

knickfan23
12-23-05, 01:04 PM
The press conference hasn't even started and this is already surreal.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b119/knickfan23/damon.jpghttp://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b119/knickfan23/damon0.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b119/knickfan23/damon1.jpghttp://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b119/knickfan23/damon2.jpg

knickfan23
12-23-05, 01:06 PM
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b119/knickfan23/damon3.jpg

Slammin.

ring403
12-23-05, 01:07 PM
Damon is going to get #18.

shutout
12-23-05, 01:09 PM
I'll let you know on Sunday. George is stopping by for dinner. I'm sure he'll have lots of super cool insider information that he'll pass along to me.

ROFL!!

Good, could you ask him how much he'd pay for a dutchman who's willing to play the outfield? ;)

AMYanks
12-23-05, 01:10 PM
He's not very good talking in front of a lot of people.

gdn
12-23-05, 01:10 PM
He does look a little uncomfortable.

BronxByTheBay
12-23-05, 01:11 PM
I didn't realize Damon's concussion affected him this badly. :eek:

ring403
12-23-05, 01:13 PM
I didn't realize Damon's concussion affected him this badly. :eek:He has a speech impediment.

BronxByTheBay
12-23-05, 01:13 PM
I'd love what he's saying more if I didn't get the impression that at any moment he's going to start throwing up.

ICEBERG18
12-23-05, 01:14 PM
I didn't realize Damon's concussion affected him this badly. :eek:

To me he has always talked like that.

BronxByTheBay
12-23-05, 01:14 PM
He has a speech impediment.

D'OH! Didn't know that. Mea culpa. :o

Zac
12-23-05, 01:14 PM
Kind of weird to see him in pinstripes jersey. :)

JeffWeaverFan
12-23-05, 01:15 PM
He sounds and looks a little nervous. I like what he's saying though.

knickfan23
12-23-05, 01:17 PM
Kind of weird to see him in pinstripes jersey. :)


http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b119/knickfan23/damon4.jpghttp://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b119/knickfan23/damon5.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b119/knickfan23/damon6.jpghttp://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b119/knickfan23/damon7.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b119/knickfan23/damon8.jpghttp://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b119/knickfan23/damon9.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b119/knickfan23/damon10.jpghttp://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b119/knickfan23/damon11.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b119/knickfan23/damon12.jpghttp://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b119/knickfan23/damon13.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b119/knickfan23/damon14.jpghttp://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b119/knickfan23/damon15.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b119/knickfan23/damon16.jpghttp://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b119/knickfan23/damon17.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b119/knickfan23/damon18.jpghttp://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b119/knickfan23/damon19.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b119/knickfan23/damon20.jpg

nhyankeefan
12-23-05, 01:18 PM
If anyone wants to listen online - it's being broadcast on WEEI.

http://wmc1.liquidviewer.net/WEEI

destelle
12-23-05, 01:18 PM
yep, definitely seems nervous. but it's cute - 'cause i think he seems really excited to be a yankee.

Yankee Bulldawg
12-23-05, 01:18 PM
he defenitley does sound nervous but i like what he's saying

VFBundy
12-23-05, 01:18 PM
He has a speech impediment.Weird thing I noticed when he speaks...he uses the word "going" instead of the slang "gonna". It's weird that using proper English would stick out to me, but it does. I've notcied this ever since I first heard him speak years ago.

Casey37
12-23-05, 01:21 PM
Man...he really looks weird wearing pinstripes. I guess it's gonna take some getting used to.

knickfan23
12-23-05, 01:23 PM
Johnny, lets not get into the whole leadoff hitting discussion. We discuss that enough here on this site.

BronxByTheBay
12-23-05, 01:24 PM
Man...he really looks weird wearing pinstripes. I guess it's gonna take some getting used to.

It'll never get weirder for me than seeing Wade Boggs in pinstripes. Everything after was much easier to accept (okay, Rocket was strange too).

ICEBERG18
12-23-05, 01:25 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/photo?slug=nyff10512231806.yankees_damon_baseball_nyff105&prov=ap

wileedog
12-23-05, 01:25 PM
[IMG]http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b119/knickfan23/damon20.jpg


Crap. Torre fell asleep again. ;)

JeffWeaverFan
12-23-05, 01:25 PM
Johnny, lets not get into the whole leadoff hitting discussion. We discuss that enough here on this site.
Yep. (Jeter saw more pitches per AB than you last year Johnny...)

Jasbro
12-23-05, 01:26 PM
Line of the day: "Unfortunately, that team (the Red Sox) is dismantling...."

ring403
12-23-05, 01:27 PM
Weird thing I noticed when he speaks...he uses the word "going" instead of the slang "gonna". It's weird that using proper English would stick out to me, but it does. I've notcied this ever since I first heard him speak years ago.I'm not sure what the exact nature of the impediment is. There doesn't seem to be much info around about it. I did find this:
http://www.bartlettpark.com/096club/096_jbt_052504.html
One of the things that has not been widely publicized about Damon, and which many (myself included) only found out about this weekend thanks to Dale and Neumie on WEEI, is that as a child Damon suffered from a sever speech impediment, which he spent years overcoming. His hesitance when speaking in public is a result of that history, a fact that makes his willingness to accommodate such speaking requests all the more admirable.

jnewmark
12-23-05, 01:28 PM
" I'm very excited! I can't wait ! I wish Spring Training was starting today ! "
--Johnny Damon, New York Yankee

Mattpat11
12-23-05, 01:34 PM
He looks terrified.

yeahimweird
12-23-05, 01:39 PM
He seemed a lot better doing the one-on-one with Michael Kay.

JeffWeaverFan
12-23-05, 01:40 PM
He seemed a lot better doing the one-on-one with Michael Kay.
Yes, understandably. Not everyone's greatest quality is public speaking. As long as he continues to hit and cover a lot of ground in CF, I'll be happy.

Pogie
12-23-05, 01:47 PM
I refuse to read the other 2600 posts, but I need to know...

Does Damon's signing have a no-trade clause, and if it does, do you have a bucket that I can throw up in?

Mr. Mxylsplk
12-23-05, 01:49 PM
I refuse to read the other 2600 posts, but I need to know...

Does Damon's signing have a no-trade clause, and if it does, do you have a bucket that I can throw up in?
A limited one, but I don't know if any specifics about it are public. But that hardly matters - unless he gets better with age, his salary will largely act as a no trade clause.

vin777b
12-23-05, 01:49 PM
He looks terrified.


he did fine. So he was trembling a bit. Big freekin deal.

ring403
12-23-05, 01:52 PM
Well, Cashman did clarify the question of whether or not the Yankees offered a 5th year. Boras did call and ask if they would make a 5 year offer. Cashman told Boras the only way that they would consider it is at a much lower average annual salary. That's as far as it went. The Yankees never made a 5 year proposal, although they were willing to consider it under the right circumstances.

Pogie
12-23-05, 01:52 PM
A limited one, but I don't know if any specifics about it are public. But that hardly matters - unless he gets better with age, his salary will largely act as a no trade clause.

That depends if the contract is for 13 mil a year or its weighted a certain way like heavy at the beginning or heavy at the end.

I hope its heavy at the beginning and the no trade clause is not that limited.

knickfan23
12-23-05, 01:53 PM
He looks terrified.


Thats because he did in fact have a stuttering problem as a child growing up. Obviously, public speaking wouldnt be someone's strong suit if you have that type of condition. He certainly will not turn into Bill Walton.

vin777b
12-23-05, 01:54 PM
I'd love what he's saying more if I didn't get the impression that at any moment he's going to start throwing up.



you people are inhumane. Sad, really.

VFBundy
12-23-05, 01:55 PM
Johnny's always seemed willing to talk to the reporters after a game, to give them a good quote (or whatever), which will take some of the pressure off certain Yankees who don't like to talk as much.

YankeePride1967
12-23-05, 01:57 PM
I also have a speaking impediment, but I have joined Toastmaster's International (an organization to practice public speaking) and that has helped me a lot But a lot of people have problems like that.

Kulish29
12-23-05, 01:58 PM
you people are inhumane. Sad, really.

He's not making fun of Damon's speach inpediment. He's commenting on how nervous he looked at the podium.

Mr. Mxylsplk
12-23-05, 02:02 PM
That depends if the contract is for 13 mil a year or its weighted a certain way like heavy at the beginning or heavy at the end. I hope its heavy at the beginning and the no trade clause is not that limited.
Contracts are never weighted at the beginning. I'm sure it's either even throughout or larger salaries in the later years. Really, any ntc is going to be much less significant than his salary in making him untradeable.

vin777b
12-23-05, 02:04 PM
he didn't come to NYY to be a public speaker. Speaking from the heart, is what counts.

YankeeFan1
12-23-05, 02:05 PM
I don't understand why Damon sounding nervous is such a big deal. This must be the residual Boston dislike of Damon because just every player who gets the big Yankee PC sounds nervous. I remember RJ and Pavano being nervous. Even Alex and Clemens back in the day stumbled a bit.

knickfan23
12-23-05, 02:06 PM
he didn't come to NYY to be a public speaker. Speaking from the heart, is what counts.


Dont people get on ARod for "speaking to well". In other words, he sounds rehearsed. Now, peeps get on Damon for not speaking well.

Go figure.

BronxByTheBay
12-23-05, 02:13 PM
you people are inhumane. Sad, really.

No sadder than inferring what someone isn't implying. I was talking about his nerves, big guy.

kslilley
12-23-05, 02:20 PM
I've been listening to the damon announcement - no offense, but he sounds like an idiot... no pun intended. He literally sounds like an idiot. Plus, he's way too arrogant for me. Just my opinion....

NYYBombshell
12-23-05, 02:20 PM
You should be ashamed of yourself for acting like a 9 year old schoolgirl. "seems the red sox, in an act of revenge".

Dude, what are you talking about???

Your obviously not a baseball fan or else you wouldn't be saying such assanine things.....(spelling?)

Go watch General Hospital, Groupie!



Over-the-top, table for one.

ring403
12-23-05, 02:21 PM
I've been listening to the damon announcement - no offense, but he sounds like an idiot... no pun intended. He literally sounds like an idiot. Plus, he's way too arrogant for me. Just my opinion....Your opinion happens to constitute player bashing, which is not allowed here.

BronxByTheBay
12-23-05, 02:22 PM
I've been listening to the damon announcement - no offense, but he sounds like an idiot... no pun intended. He literally sounds like an idiot. Plus, he's way too arrogant for me. Just my opinion....

Why do I get the feeling the mods are gonna need to post a sticky explaining to everyone that Damon has a speech impediment?

NYYBombshell
12-23-05, 02:23 PM
I've been listening to the damon announcement - no offense, but he sounds like an idiot... no pun intended. He literally sounds like an idiot. Plus, he's way too arrogant for me. Just my opinion....



He has a speech impediment..............

StatenIslandYankee
12-23-05, 02:26 PM
I've been listening to the damon announcement - no offense, but he sounds like an idiot... no pun intended. He literally sounds like an idiot. Plus, he's way too arrogant for me. Just my opinion....
shut up :mad:

Mr. Mxylsplk
12-23-05, 02:27 PM
I've been listening to the damon announcement - no offense, but he sounds like an idiot... no pun intended. He literally sounds like an idiot. Plus, he's way too arrogant for me. Just my opinion....
We shouldn't have signed him. He's just too big an idiot for our team.

StatenIslandYankee
12-23-05, 02:29 PM
We shouldn't have signed him. He's just too big an idiot for our team.
I don't think you're going to say that if he gets a few big hits against the Red Sox.

Yankees1962
12-23-05, 02:29 PM
Well, Cashman did clarify the question of whether or not the Yankees offered a 5th year. Boras did call and ask if they would make a 5 year offer. Cashman told Boras the only way that they would consider it is at a much lower average annual salary. That's as far as it went. The Yankees never made a 5 year proposal, although they were willing to consider it under the right circumstances.
He sure did so we can move on from that subject matter.

Mr. Mxylsplk
12-23-05, 02:31 PM
I don't think you're going to say that if he gets a few big hits against the Red Sox.
An idiot's an idiot - what do hits matter?

JavyVazquezIsSick
12-23-05, 02:39 PM
Is there anywhere I can see this conference online?

StatenIslandYankee
12-23-05, 02:39 PM
An idiot's an idiot - what do hits matter?
Because this idiot might help us. And that my friend is the bottom line is it not?

I can careless about his antics, hair, beard, speech, beliefs, books, curses, and anything else off the diamond.

YankeePride1967
12-23-05, 02:40 PM
I don't think you're going to say that if he gets a few big hits against the Red Sox.

you are quoting a thread made in sarcasm.

jnewmark
12-23-05, 02:40 PM
Why do I get the feeling the mods are gonna need to post a sticky explaining to everyone that Damon has a speech impediment?

I think he knows this and is just trying to get in a cheap shot.

StatenIslandYankee
12-23-05, 02:47 PM
you are quoting a thread made in sarcasm.
I wasn't sure. Some posters here just flat out don't like Damon.

ieddyi
12-23-05, 02:48 PM
Here's the quote from MGL: here (http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/newsstand/discussion/all_baseball_lipsett_another_case_against_johnny_damon/)

and here's (http://www.tangotiger.net/lwbymob.htm) a definition of linear weights:

Interesting information

Is there a site that has LWT breakdowns for players for 2005?

thanks

Captain Yankee
12-23-05, 02:50 PM
So what will our lineup look like next season: Theoretically it will be:
1-Damon
2-Jeter
3-AROD?
4-Giambi?
5-Sheffield?
6-Matsui?
7-Bernie
8-Posada
9-Cano

Crazy ass lineup.

flymick24
12-23-05, 02:54 PM
So what will our lineup look like next season: Theoretically it will be:
1-Damon
2-Jeter
3-AROD?
4-Giambi?
5-Sheffield?
6-Matsui?
7-Bernie
8-Posada
9-Cano

Crazy ass lineup.

cano should be hitting behind matsui, no matter what ESPN says

bernie should be 9

Mr. Mxylsplk
12-23-05, 02:56 PM
I wasn't sure. Some posters here just flat out don't like Damon.
I'm not one of them. And even if I were, it would be because of his performance, not his personality.

keithf1
12-23-05, 02:56 PM
cano should be hitting behind matsui, no matter what ESPN says

bernie should be 9
I agree 100%, I want Cano getting more at bats than Jorge and Bernie.

Yankees1962
12-23-05, 02:57 PM
cano should be hitting behind matsui, no matter what ESPN says

bernie should be 9
The bottom third of the order is going to depend on whether Posada or Williams have bounce back years or not and Cano's progression as a ML hitter.

Mattpat11
12-23-05, 03:01 PM
The bottom third of the order is going to depend on whether Posada or Williams have bounce back years or not and Cano's progression as a ML hitter.I think Cano will end up being the seven hitter. Bernie and Jorge are really nearing the end of the line.

StatenIslandYankee
12-23-05, 03:02 PM
cano should be hitting behind matsui, no matter what ESPN says

bernie should be 9
Only reason I prefer to bat Cano 9th is because of his lack of patience at the plate. A healthy Bernie batting from the right side of the plate as a DH would get on base more often than Cano. Just my opinion.

Yankees1962
12-23-05, 03:02 PM
I think Cano will end up being the seven hitter. Bernie and Jorge are really nearing the end of the line.
What we think and what actually happens could be two completely different things which is all I'm saying.

27IsNext
12-23-05, 03:55 PM
Posada will bat ahead of Cano until his OBP is less than Cano's, IMO. Whoever is playing between Phillips and Bernie will bat 9th.

Captain Yankee
12-23-05, 04:34 PM
I think you have to bat Cano behind Posada. If you bat Posada 9th---he will clog up the bases for JD and DJ. Also, was it just a little bit wierd seeing Damon put his arms around Cashman and Torre at the press conference? Let's say this will take some getting used to.

Crosby18
12-23-05, 04:37 PM
Did the Yankees give Damon the number 18 jersey during his press conference to wear. If they did this might be the end of the bubba crosby jersey and i know have myself a Johnny Damon one.

Kulish29
12-23-05, 04:38 PM
Did the Yankees give Damon the number 18 jersey during his press conference to wear. If they did this might be the end of the bubba crosby jersey and i know have myself a Johnny Damon one.

You now are the proud owner of a Johnny Damon jersey.

Crosby18
12-23-05, 04:38 PM
I knew it would pay off eventually to buy that for $20.

MiamiKat
12-23-05, 04:41 PM
I knew it would pay off eventually to buy that for $20.
Now you just need to change your user name. ;)

Captain Yankee
12-23-05, 04:41 PM
For those of you who didn't have enough foresight to buy a #18 jersey---they are now on sale at MLB.com. Get em while they're hot!

http://shop.mlb.com/family/index.jsp?categoryId=2176272

Tifoso
12-23-05, 04:41 PM
I knew it would pay off eventually to buy that for $20.


Didn't read anywhere that Bubba had surrendered it willingly....wonder if it might mean that he's gone? :dunno:

Captain Yankee
12-23-05, 04:43 PM
Didn't read anywhere that Bubba had surrendered it willingly....wonder if it might mean that he's gone? :dunno:
No. Crosby was originally #19 last season. He switched to 18 when we got Al Leiter. I'm pretty sure Crosby gave up the #18 jersey as an added "bonus" which I'm sure Damon could afford with his new contract.

Kulish29
12-23-05, 04:43 PM
Didn't read anywhere that Bubba had surrendered it willingly....wonder if it might mean that he's gone? :dunno:

I dont think he had a choice, Damon is the vet in this situation. Although, Damon's a nice guy, I'm sure he'll give Bubba something for it.

Tifoso
12-23-05, 04:44 PM
No. Crosby was originally #19 last season. He switched to 18 when we got Al Leiter. I'm pretty sure Crosby gave up the #18 jersey as an added "bonus" which I'm sure Damon could afford with his new contract.


I dont think he had a choice, Damon is the vet in this situation. Although, Damon's a nice guy, I'm sure he'll give Bubba something for it.

Thanks. :)

Tifoso
12-23-05, 04:49 PM
Interesting little tidbit (emphasis mine)

http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssentinel/sports/13472352.htm


Damon expects Manny to be tradedBY ADAM RUBINNew York Daily NewsNEW YORK - Johnny Damon thinks an unhappy Manny Ramirez will be traded this winter. And that belief was a "big factor" in contributing to Damon's decision to sign with the Yankees.
"I don't think he's going to be back," Damon told New York television station WCBS on Thursday. "He stated many times that he wants to be elsewhere."

What I love about this is that the Sox may have hurt themselves twice: moving Manny caused them to lose Damon. :D

JeterRodriguezSheff
12-23-05, 05:24 PM
For those who put stock into splits and "clutch"

Damon over the past 3 years:
Bases loaded:375 .414 .563 .977
RISP:.320 .389 .462 .851
close and late:314 .391 .482 .873

Tifoso
12-23-05, 05:26 PM
For those who put stock into splits and "clutch"

Damon over the past 3 years:
Bases loaded:375 .414 .563 .977
RISP:.320 .389 .462 .851
close and late:314 .391 .482 .873

:ga-ga:

mickey mantle
12-23-05, 05:52 PM
For those who put stock into splits and "clutch"

Damon over the past 3 years:
Bases loaded:375 .414 .563 .977
RISP:.320 .389 .462 .851
close and late:314 .391 .482 .873

sounds good to me

NYYBombshell
12-23-05, 06:01 PM
For those who put stock into splits and "clutch"

Damon over the past 3 years:
Bases loaded:375 .414 .563 .977
RISP:.320 .389 .462 .851
close and late:314 .391 .482 .873


OMG TEH CLUTCH!!111!!

rivera,s cutter
12-23-05, 06:05 PM
our line up is so scary

Munson's 'Stash
12-23-05, 06:19 PM
The stat I worry about most is Damon's BABIP splits from '05. His flukey high number pre-allstar (right around .400) may have concealed a decline that became evident post all star break (when he regressed to the mean like nobody's buisness and hit around .280 on BIP). His overall season still looks good, but if he's hit his decline phase (which his age suggests is coming) the Yankee's could be hurting at the end.

My take:

The first year should be good, but I question anything after that.

He hasn't been on the DL, but he still gets injured (he plays through it). As he gets older he's going to need the DL time to stay productive long term.

$13M a year is a no trade clause.

But the BABIP thing is my biggest concern.

montrealer
12-23-05, 06:20 PM
our line up is so scary

and our pitching is................

JDPNYY
12-23-05, 06:24 PM
and our pitching is................


...stellar if everyone stays relatively healthy.

Jersey Yankee
12-23-05, 06:24 PM
I think you have to bat Cano behind Posada. If you bat Posada 9th---he will clog up the bases for JD and DJ. Also, was it just a little bit wierd seeing Damon put his arms around Cashman and Torre at the press conference? Let's say this will take some getting used to.
Hey, wait 'til Opening Day when rollcall comes around. :P

JeterRodriguezSheff
12-23-05, 06:33 PM
The stat I worry about most is Damon's BABIP splits from '05. His flukey high number pre-allstar (right around .400) may have concealed a decline that became evident post all star break (when he regressed to the mean like nobody's buisness and hit around .280 on BIP). His overall season still looks good, but if he's hit his decline phase (which his age suggests is coming) the Yankee's could be hurting at the end.

My take:

The first year should be good, but I question anything after that.

He hasn't been on the DL, but he still gets injured (he plays through it). As he gets older he's going to need the DL time to stay productive long term.

$13M a year is a no trade clause.

But the BABIP thing is my biggest concern.

Id say the minor shoulder injury he had is the reason for the drop off

Mel Marquis
12-23-05, 06:41 PM
As a Sox fan, I am completed discouraged by this offseason - any Sox fan who isn't disappointed is either lying or dillusional. I can't believe that they have completely dismantled the entire team from last October when they won the series.

Pedro, Theo, Mueller, Millar, Lowe, Damon and soon Manny - I am literally sick to my stomach.

The Yankees lineup scares me beyond belief - not that it didn't last year but to see Johnny put up 2-3 12 pitch at-bats before he slaps a double over the third baseman's head in pinstripes is totally disheartening.

Congrats on getting him - I know you have alot of stars already over there but this guy will quickly steal your hearts and become a fan favorite.

I am officially going to go jump into the dirty water now...

YankeeFan1
12-23-05, 06:43 PM
I think one thing that some people need to accept is that the Yankees were never going into the season with Bubba starting if they had any other realistic options considering their limited trading chips. Is Damon overpaid? Of course, most professional athletes are overpaid. However, given the inflated market due to the earlier signings like Furcal combined with the Yankees' need to fill center, signing Johnny Damon at that contract was a solid move.

Despite all the rips on Damon from his media skeptics and Red Sox fans, he is a solid player who can contribute on defense and offence. Yes, Damon is 32, but he'll only be 35 years old at the end of the contract. Yes, it is likely that he will decline and get injured most players over 30 do exactly that, but the shortness of the contract protects the Yankees against that possibility. The Yankees can still go after Hunter and Jones in 2007 if they are available and move Damon to one of the corners. However, Melky may be ready for the majors by then. So if you are able to get over the dislike for Damon from his Red Sox years, you will see a productive player who can help the Yankees.

ruthianblast
12-23-05, 06:48 PM
Regardless of whether you think Damon was a good signing (I think it is but we'll see), you have to admit 52 million is just the right amount to see him cut his hair and shave the beard...

njdhockey
12-23-05, 07:19 PM
Regardless of whether you think Damon was a good signing (I think it is but we'll see), you have to admit 52 million is just the right amount to see him cut his hair and shave the beard...
LOL but I loved his hair and beard! Good signing btw!

PeteRFNY
12-23-05, 08:41 PM
The stat I worry about most is Damon's BABIP splits from '05.

LOL...I've been watching baseball since before I was born (via embryonic transfer) and I have NO idea what BABIP is.

That's probably a good thing... ;)

Petezs

yankeebot
12-23-05, 08:46 PM
LOL...I've been watching baseball since before I was born (via embryonic transfer) and I have NO idea what BABIP is.

That's probably a good thing... ;)

Petezs
Batting Average on balls put into play. (You know you really wanted to know.)

Tifoso
12-23-05, 08:47 PM
LOL...I've been watching baseball since before I was born (via embryonic transfer) and I have NO idea what BABIP is.

That's probably a good thing... ;)

Petezs


Babe Around Bed Impotence Potential

Fabien Brandy
12-23-05, 09:19 PM
Some people wanted to sign Furcal and have him learn CF. Well, instead of paying $13M for a guy with a 100 ops+ to learn CF, the Yankees are paying a guy $13M for a 113 ops+ last year who actually knows how to play the position.

AJW
12-23-05, 09:51 PM
Some people wanted to sign Furcal and have him learn CF. Well, instead of paying $13M for a guy with a 100 ops+ to learn CF, the Yankees are paying a guy $13M for a 113 ops+ last year who actually knows how to play the position.

Damn straight. I can't understand why people are so upset with this signing. Damon is a solid player minus his below average arm. Hello people we have had 3 CF's (Mickey Rivers, Rickey Henderson and Bernie Williams) in the last 30 years that have had below average arms. With 2 of the 3 we have only won 6 Championships (sarcasm). It's funny how some people forget. :confused:

PittsburghYankeeFan
12-23-05, 10:19 PM
I missed the press conference today, but it is on the Boston.com website if anyone wants to see it:

http://www.boston.com/sports/?p1=GN_Sports

In addition, there is a 250 page message board on this site as well containing the Red Sox fans reaction to Damon leaving:

http://boards.boston.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?nav=messages&tsn=61&tid=8402&webtag=bc-redsox

I know this may be a bit mean, but reading that message board is pure, unadulterated (guilty) joy.

AJW
12-23-05, 10:25 PM
http://boards.boston.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?nav=messages&tsn=61&tid=8402&webtag=bc-redsox

I know this may be a bit mean, but reading that message board is pure, unadulterated (guilty) joy.

What a bunch of losers.

23and2
12-23-05, 10:30 PM
Are we sure we signed THE Johhny Damon, as in the former Red Sox CF? Because from the negative posts on SOSH and other fan boards, you would think Johnny sucked more than Millar.

By the way, the Red Sox lineup become less and less intimidating as the offseason progresses. It's so great.

Dooley Womack
12-23-05, 10:32 PM
What a bunch of losers.

That's the same board known for making fun of Posada's son, 9-11 because it happened in NY, and think Munson's plane crash was hilarious.

AJW
12-23-05, 11:11 PM
That's the same board known for making fun of Posada's son, 9-11 because it happened in NY, and think Munson's plane crash was hilarious.

Then I guess I can call them Satan's children. :D

YankeePride1967
12-23-05, 11:25 PM
Something in the press conference that caught my ear and pleased me. Johnny Damon understands his role. Meaning he knows he has supporting members that can get the job done if he doesn't so I don't think he will have that "adjustment period" most new players have when they come here.

StatenIslandYankee
12-24-05, 12:06 AM
Are we sure we signed THE Johhny Damon, as in the former Red Sox CF? Because from the negative posts on SOSH and other fan boards, you would think Johnny sucked more than Millar.

By the way, the Red Sox lineup become less and less intimidating as the offseason progresses. It's so great.
Imagine Manny is gone?

TheTinoMobile
12-24-05, 12:09 AM
The grammar and utter destruction of the english language on that forum hurts my eyes so much, that I filed a grievance with the Modern Language Association (remember those trusty MLA Guides to Grammar and Research Papers) for allowing any of those posters to pass the third grade.

MiamiKat
12-24-05, 12:29 AM
The grammar and utter destruction of the english language on that forum hurts my eyes so much, that I filed a grievance with the Modern Language Association (remember those trusty MLA Guides to Grammar and Research Papers) for allowing any of those posters to pass the third grade.You're being kind.

The sheer stupidity I saw in the few pages I could bear reading made me lose just about all faith in the future of humanity.

And right before the holidays too. So sad...

NYYBombshell
12-24-05, 12:42 AM
I missed the press conference today, but it is on the Boston.com website if anyone wants to see it:

http://www.boston.com/sports/?p1=GN_Sports

In addition, there is a 250 page message board on this site as well containing the Red Sox fans reaction to Damon leaving:

http://boards.boston.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?nav=messages&tsn=61&tid=8402&webtag=bc-redsox

I know this may be a bit mean, but reading that message board is pure, unadulterated (guilty) joy.



And they say Red Sox fans aren't classy.

Vin
12-24-05, 01:42 AM
Your obviously not a baseball fan or else you wouldn't be saying such assanine things.....(spelling?)


Asinine

Yankeees
12-24-05, 04:35 AM
Johnny Damon looks like Hideki Matsui's brother now.

MR STEINBRENNER 27
12-24-05, 04:36 AM
For those who put stock into splits and "clutch"

Damon over the past 3 years:
Bases loaded:375 .414 .563 .977
RISP:.320 .389 .462 .851
close and late:314 .391 .482 .873

thats great but I put stock in my eyes, and everytime Johnny D came up against us it seemed like he got the big hit every time. And when he made outs they were 10+ pitch atbats and caught line drives. Thank the good lord we got him on our side now!

MR STEINBRENNER 27
12-24-05, 04:37 AM
I missed the press conference today, but it is on the Boston.com website if anyone wants to see it:

http://www.boston.com/sports/?p1=GN_Sports

In addition, there is a 250 page message board on this site as well containing the Red Sox fans reaction to Damon leaving:

http://boards.boston.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?nav=messages&tsn=61&tid=8402&webtag=bc-redsox

I know this may be a bit mean, but reading that message board is pure, unadulterated (guilty) joy.

OH MAN THAT IS A MUST READ! We need to give that link its own thread and Sticky it. priceless.:D

Yankee Steve
12-24-05, 07:47 AM
Watching the press conference was intriguing, to see how JD would handle the press and all of the attention. He seemed nervous to me, which was quite touching actually. Here, a guy who has seen the limelight close up and personal, who thrives on being THE GUY... was stammering but at the same time glowing and really seemed to be happy. I don't think that was fake or staged. That did not mean that he was overwhelmed by it all either - he handled things just fine.

Anyone read the articles in today's NYC papers? Seems like it has suddenly hit everyone... the gritty, gutsy, win at all costs, devil may care Johnny Damon will be patroling CF at Yankee Stadium next season. I know that there have been many critics of this move, the player, the money, the length of contract. But this is no ordinary money hungry player we have here. This is a true Grinder (yes, with a capital "G") who goes out every day and gives you everything he has. He is a winner - a guy who will do whatever is required to win a ballgame for you. This is not a Soriano type of player who won't change positions for the betterment of the team. He is not an inhabitant of "Mannyland" who takes a break in the OF to take a leak behind the Green Monster in the middle of an inning. He is not Carl Everett or Barry Bonds or Randy Johnson, with a chip on their shoulders for no apparent reason. This is a throwback ballplayer who, if he loses a step, a common worry it seems about a 32 year old with a 4 year deal, will find another way to beat you and make it hurt. The guy is 32 years old - not 37. The more I think about this guy and all he brings to the team, the clubhouse (hey, a little fun would be a good thing), the happier I seem to feel. If anyone happened to see the press conference, did you catch his answer to some reporters quetion saying that he wouldn't have a garage door in CF to contend with! The fans will come to love him and it won't take very long. Welcome Johnny.

CalYankeeFan
12-24-05, 09:40 AM
An excerpt from an excellent article in The Boston Globe this morning...it tells a lot of the behind the scenes story.....it can be found at:
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2005/12/24/new_york_state_of_mind/?

''At that point," Cashman said, ''he was disgruntled with how the process had gone with the Red Sox negotiation for whatever reason, but he was also honest in the fact that he had a very strong bond with that fan base. Separating himself from that Red Sox Nation -- and I thought this from the very beginning -- was going to be more difficult than getting him away from the Red Sox team. That was the biggest hurdle.

''He gave me some honest answers. All things being equal, he would stay there. I knew we had to pay a separation."

In other words, Cashman believed the Yankees would have to exceed Boston's offer by a noticeable margin. And, herein lies one of the more interesting components of these negotiations: Just as the Sox didn't know for sure during the process if the Yankees had ever offered Damon a contract, Cashman didn't know for sure how much the Sox' standing offer was for.

Through reading the papers and doing his homework, Cashman said, ''I was estimating they were probably at $11.5 million for four years." Thus, if the Yankees were to offer $12 million a year for four seasons, Cashman felt ''we were going to lose him, because he was going to stay where he was comfortable." So, Cashman went to $13 million per year.

''I wasn't going to go higher," he said.

And he wanted an answer.

''I felt we had to . . . make him make a decision now," Cashman said. ''Over time, he was just going to wind up staying [in Boston], I thought, because they would maybe increase their offer."

The Yankee GM called Boras Tuesday and said, ''If it doesn't work out, we're pulling out and we'll announce [we're out of the running for Damon]."

Scout3434
12-24-05, 09:45 AM
Did anyone else catch Damon reffering to himself in the third person? Something to the effect of "Johnny really wants to win."

jnewmark
12-24-05, 09:49 AM
Something in the press conference that caught my ear and pleased me. Johnny Damon understands his role. Meaning he knows he has supporting members that can get the job done if he doesn't so I don't think he will have that "adjustment period" most new players have when they come here.

I agree. This is one player that is not going to have to go through an adjustment period to New York. He seems like he's already used to it and can't wait to start patrolling CF.