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Nettles9
12-07-05, 01:14 PM
What about Tony Armas? He's young and has a great arm. Probably would come cheap. Jay Powell and Kelly Wunsch are some other potentially cheap alternatives. I know the Yanks have looked into Powell in the past. I also love the idea of signing Dotel to an incentive laden contract.

RobbiMan
12-07-05, 01:16 PM
What about Tony Armas? He's young and has a great arm. Probably would come cheap. Jay Powell and Kelly Wunsch are some other potentially cheap alternatives. I know the Yanks have looked into Powell in the past. I also love the idea of signing Dotel to an incentive laden contract.

Tony Armas is a starter.

indianyanksfan
12-07-05, 01:16 PM
yanks are looking into dotel, tavarez, eischen or myers.

Nettles9
12-07-05, 01:19 PM
I know he's a starter. I know it's a novel idea, but maybe he could move to the pen. Some guys have done that before. He has not had the best of luck as a starter.

Nettles9
12-07-05, 01:20 PM
yanks are looking into dotel, tavarez, eischen or myers.

I hope they stay away from Tavarez.

surge511
12-07-05, 01:36 PM
The bullpen sort of worries me. We are right back to where we were last year, with Sturtze as the 2nd man out there. He is going to be burnt out out by August; I just hope JB Cox is ready to roll, because it looks like he WILL be needed sometime during the season.

RobRiv
12-07-05, 01:38 PM
Not sure how Armas would be out of the pen. Definitely has potential. He'd be a good project for Guidry and Kerrigan.

Dotel? Imagine if he's one of those guys who comes back from Tommy John surgery with a stronger arm than he had before getting hurt. He might emerge this spring/summer? with 99 - 100 mph stuff. He's worth a shot, if the Yanks can land him without overpaying.

Wunsch has one of those names that inspires unflattering headlines like "Out To Wunsch." I'd pass on him.

NewEraYanks2527
12-07-05, 01:39 PM
yanks are looking into dotel, tavarez, eischen or myers.
Other than Tavarez, these are all good names to be looking into. Personally I think it would be great if Dotel came here and was given an incentive based contract. I bet he would be much better not in the closer role.

indianyanksfan
12-07-05, 01:40 PM
Other than Tavarez, these are all good names to be looking into. Personally I think it would be great if Dotel came here and was given an incentive based contract. I bet he would be much better not in the closer role.

i know tavarez has blown up on occassion but he would be a solid option other than sturtze and farns in order to prevent their burnout.

eischen has decent numbers also. he'd be a good addition who can get righties and lefties out.

NewEraYanks2527
12-07-05, 01:56 PM
i know tavarez has blown up on occassion but he would be a solid option other than sturtze and farns in order to prevent their burnout.

eischen has decent numbers also. he'd be a good addition who can get righties and lefties out. Tavarez worries me but I see what you are saying about him being a solid option. The thing is Torre needs to manage the bullpen better and not burn everyone out. We need guys that can give quality outings. I'd love to see Myers as the LOOGY, Eischen in middle relief, Sturtze and Farns leading up to Mo and not see these guys in blowouts. Maybe Tavarez is worth a gamble and can hold a time when we are up by say 3-5 runs, not quite a blowout and not quite a close game either. I really just want to see Torre use the bullpen better.

effdamets
12-07-05, 02:02 PM
Tavarez worries me but I see what you are saying about him being a solid option. The thing is Torre needs to manage the bullpen better and not burn everyone out. We need guys that can give quality outings. I'd love to see Myers as the LOOGY, Eischen in middle relief, Sturtze and Farns leading up to Mo and not see these guys in blowouts. Maybe Tavarez is worth a gamble and can hold a time when we are up by say 3-5 runs, not quite a blowout and not quite a close game either. I really just want to see Torre use the bullpen better.
The easiest solution to NOT burning bull pen guys out is to get better starters! Guys that can pitch 7 full innings. Not all the time, but how about 3 out of 5 starts? Jeez... The bull pen will fix itself if the starters get their sh*t together!

indianyanksfan
12-07-05, 02:04 PM
Tavarez worries me but I see what you are saying about him being a solid option. The thing is Torre needs to manage the bullpen better and not burn everyone out. We need guys that can give quality outings. I'd love to see Myers as the LOOGY, Eischen in middle relief, Sturtze and Farns leading up to Mo and not see these guys in blowouts. Maybe Tavarez is worth a gamble and can hold a time when we are up by say 3-5 runs, not quite a blowout and not quite a close game either. I really just want to see Torre use the bullpen better.

well put. that's what i meant exactly. eischen's career era is around 3.5 or something. that's pretty good.

he'd be a good addition.

tavarez could add more depth.

maybe kerrigan can help wright to be good out of the pen. that would be a nice power arm if he's healthy.

indianyanksfan
12-07-05, 02:04 PM
The easiest solution to NOT burning bull pen guys out is to get better starters! Guys that can pitch 7 full innings. Not all the time, but how about 3 out of 5 starts? Jeez... The bull pen will fix itself if the starters get their sh*t together!

rj, chacon, and wang did that very often last year. hopefully a health moose and pavano will as well.

terminator
12-07-05, 02:34 PM
Tony Armas is a starter.
:roflmao: :roflmao:

Seriously, the "Just an idea" threads which are popping up are "high comedy".

Quangormo
12-07-05, 04:06 PM
Tony Armas is a starter.
So is Jaret Wright, but the Yankees are talking about using him in the pen. Or Wang, who's also a starter.

Armas started in the Yankee organization, BTW. He's a good arm; it would be great to have him back.

Here are some names to consider: Joey Eischen, Ron Villone, Ricardo Rincon, Julain Tavarez.

BJG
12-07-05, 04:17 PM
So is Jaret Wright, but the Yankees are talking about using him in the pen. Or Wang, who's also a starter.

The difference is that Armas is a free agent. Starting is the bigger role with bigger money and more prestige. Someone will pay Armas to start, making it very difficult to attract him to pitch relief in the 6th inning.

HouseThatRingsBuild
12-07-05, 04:23 PM
Rincon

The FUTURE
12-07-05, 06:17 PM
Add Tavarez and Villone

It would allow us to have multiply options in the bullpen so everyone doesnt get burned out



I would say sign Rincon but i like Villone better just because in case of emergancy he can start

yankeebot
12-07-05, 06:24 PM
The easiest solution to NOT burning bull pen guys out is to get better starters! Guys that can pitch 7 full innings. Not all the time, but how about 3 out of 5 starts? Jeez... The bull pen will fix itself if the starters get their sh*t together!
I agree this is the key but how do you accomplish it if your staff is comprised of aging stars and injury-prone underachievers? Chacon is the only starter we have that hasn't had multiple injuries (as far as I know). For all of its talent, this pitching staff scares me.

Babe Rules
12-07-05, 06:51 PM
Maybe we could see how much Kline would cost. It's true that he had an awful season but I don't belive he's done.

RobbiMan
12-07-05, 06:55 PM
Maybe we could see how much Kline would cost. It's true that he had an awful season but I don't belive he's done.


Steve Kline was traded yesterday to the Giants for Latroy Hawkins.

http://fantasybaseball.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=5778

Snatch Catch
12-07-05, 06:56 PM
Myers not offered arb by Boston...

NYDCYankee
12-07-05, 06:57 PM
Myers not offered arb by Boston...

:) :) :) :)

StatenIslandYankee
12-08-05, 12:10 AM
Why are we not making a move on Tavarez and Dotel?

Spiker101
12-08-05, 05:26 AM
Sign Myers (including accompanying instructions to Torre to the effect that under no circumstances is this machine to be used to face RH hitters)

Sign Dotel. He should be ready by Aug. 1 at the latest and will save Cashman the indignity of trading away a prospect on July 31 to "shore up the pen."

Still need to pick up one more arm. Taverez is probably the best option but be forwarned, he's a bit of a head case and thus risky on the big stage.

NYDCYankee
12-08-05, 05:44 AM
Why are we not making a move on Tavarez and Dotel?

We are. Every news paper article for the past 2 weeks has said we are talking to their people. We probably wanted to wait to see if they got offered arb.

ICEBERG18
12-08-05, 05:53 AM
Money could be an issue with Tavarez, however, as his agent, Scott Boras, said yesterday he believes the righthander is worth at least as much as Bobby Howry and Scott Eyre, who signed three-year deals for $12 and $11 million, respectively, earlier this offseason.

-NY DAILY NEWS-

But Boras implied Tavarez seeks a contract richer than that of any set-up man signed so far this offseason (the Yankees gave Kyle Farnsworth $17 million for three years)."His performance is at a measure that exceeds those guys in many areas," Boras said.

-STAR LEDGER-


Does anyone know if Boras and Snoop Dogg are close friends? Because he must be high.

dabomb2045
12-08-05, 05:57 AM
I think Tavarez, and Dotel to an incentive-based deal is the way to go

mbn007
12-08-05, 06:10 AM
rj, chacon, and wang did that very often last year. hopefully a health moose and pavano will as well.
Randy did not do it enough early in the season.

But I do think that the overall starting staff will be much improved in 2006. Much improved. Especially if Pavano is healthy.

mbn007
12-08-05, 06:12 AM
Dotel with an incentive contract, and a team option for future years, is the way to go. I like Eischen as a lefty, if Leiter does not work out.

Matt Smith for the Loogy. He's from the minors, and really turned it on when they converted him to a relief specialist. Has excellent stats against lefties.

Yanks Lifer
12-08-05, 06:13 AM
I think Tavarez, and Dotel to an incentive-based deal is the way to go

You got it! I think Dotel would have to be a Lieber type deal as I don't see him being much of a factor in 2006, possibly late in the summer. Add Myers for the left side and the bullpen is set.

If somehow, some way they snag Nomar as the everyday playing supersub and do something minor in CF (Michaels?) I'd feel comfortable going into spring training. Best part is the minors weren't touched.

ring403
12-08-05, 07:17 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/story/372768p-317033c.html
Along those lines, the Bombers have looking at former Boston lefty Mike Myers, who was not offered arbitration by the Red Sox. They also have interest in righty Roberto Hernandez (whom the Mets let go), righthander Octavio Dotel and former Cardinal Julian Tavarez. Money could be an issue with Tavarez, however, as his agent, Scott Boras, said yesterday he believes the righthander is worth at least as much as Bobby Howry and Scott Eyre, who signed three-year deals for $12 and $11 million, respectively, earlier this offseason.

ppa79
12-08-05, 07:24 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/story/372768p-317033c.html

Forget Taverez, he isn't worth 11-12M

indianyanksfan
12-08-05, 07:39 AM
just waiti it out and tavarez could be had for less.

ICEBERG18
12-08-05, 02:40 PM
Myers told MLB.com in a phone interview that he had agreed to terms on a two-year contract with New York, filling the much-needed role of left-handed specialist.

"I'm jacked up for it," Myers said of pitching in the Bronx. "It's going to be a lot of fun. The Yankees are a team I have wanted to play with for quite a while. I'm glad the deal was able to come to fruition."
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051208&content_id=1279442&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy

YankeeStripes
12-08-05, 02:45 PM
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051208&content_id=1279442&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy

yankees sign myers

JDPNYY
12-08-05, 03:12 PM
Sign Myers (including accompanying instructions to Torre to the effect that under no circumstances is this machine to be used to face RH hitters)

Sign Dotel. He should be ready by Aug. 1 at the latest and will save Cashman the indignity of trading away a prospect on July 31 to "shore up the pen."

Still need to pick up one more arm. Taverez is probably the best option but be forwarned, he's a bit of a head case and thus risky on the big stage.

Spiker?

Is that you?

Spiker101
12-08-05, 05:25 PM
Spiker?

Is that you?

Yep, and howdy from the great state of Texas, soon to be home to the National Champion Longhorns. Hook 'Em.

ring403
12-08-05, 06:13 PM
Yep, and howdy from the great state of Texas, soon to be home to the National Champion Longhorns. Hook 'Em.
Welcome back, Spiker. The place just hasn't been the same without you. :)

JDPNYY
12-08-05, 06:18 PM
Yep, and howdy from the great state of Texas, soon to be home to the National Champion Longhorns. Hook 'Em.

I've missed you around here. I hope you're well & I'm real glad to see you again.

Spiker101
12-08-05, 06:47 PM
I've missed you around here. I hope you're well & I'm real glad to see you again.

Thanks. Good to be back.:)

TheGameEpisode2
12-08-05, 07:36 PM
Rudy Seanez over Julian Taveras is the way to go.

Cheaper, and not a head case. I'd still take Taveras though.

Seanez, and Dotel to a incentive-based deal. THAT'S the way to go.

AMYanks
12-08-05, 07:50 PM
Dotel to an incentive-laden deal. Let's get it done, Cash.

flymick24
12-08-05, 07:52 PM
Rincon

have you seen his numbers lately? no way.

indianyanksfan
12-08-05, 07:57 PM
is seanez better than tavarez?

and why not eischen since he can get out lefties and righties?

TheGameEpisode2
12-08-05, 07:57 PM
Eischen is re-signing with the Nationals says Newsday.

indianyanksfan
12-08-05, 07:59 PM
Eischen is re-signing with the Nationals says Newsday.

oh well.

so is seanez better than tavarez?

flymick24
12-08-05, 08:02 PM
oh well.

so is seanez better than tavarez?

look up the numbers. tavarez is a sinkerballer, so he relies a lot on the defense behind him.

seanez strikes a lot of people out.

my preference is the latter, obviously.

indianyanksfan
12-08-05, 08:03 PM
look up the numbers. tavarez is a sinkerballer, so he relies a lot on the defense behind him.

seanez strikes a lot of people out.

my preference is the latter, obviously.

isnt seanez like 37?

what does he throw?

flymick24
12-08-05, 08:04 PM
isnt seanez like 37?

what does he throw?

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/scouting?statsId=4414

that's his scouting report.

he gets injured too often though, so he might not be wort the money.

Yankees1962
12-08-05, 09:21 PM
look up the numbers. tavarez is a sinkerballer, so he relies a lot on the defense behind him.

seanez strikes a lot of people out.

my preference is the latter, obviously.
I heard it on XM Radio that Seanez wants to stay out on the west coast with the Padres.

TheGameEpisode2
12-08-05, 09:24 PM
I heard it on XM Radio that Seanez wants to stay out on the west coast with the Padres.

Padres didn't offer him arbitration, so he can't sign with the Padres until May 1st.

Angels maybe?

NYDCYankee
12-09-05, 01:37 AM
http://www.nypost.com/sports/yankees/58627.htm

Yanks make offer to Roberto Hernandez according to George King.

ALso mentions Sturtze in a deal for Michaels

NYDCYankee
12-09-05, 03:34 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/story/373290p-317332c.html


In terms of righthanders, the Yanks have some interest in Rudy Seanez, who was not offered arbitration by the Padres. The 37-year-old was 7-1 with a 2.69 ERA in 57 games. He recorded 84 strikeouts in 60-1/3 innings.

Seanez is believed to prefer a return to Atlanta, where he pitched from 1998-2001, and the Yanks also are considering other options, including Octavio Dotel, Rick White and Julian Tavarez.

No mention of Roberto Hernandez.

ring403
12-09-05, 09:02 PM
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spyanks1210,0,4317624.story?coll=ny-sports-headlines
With Kyle Farnsworth and Mike Myers already in the fold, the Yankees are scouring the market for one more reliever to add to their new-look bullpen.

The Yankees missed out on former Mets righthander Roberto Hernandez, 41 -- he agreed to a one-year, $3-million deal with the Pirates on Friday -- so they continue to move further down their list.

The Yankees reached out to the agent for Rudy Seanez on Friday for the first time, and have spoken with the agents for Octavio Dotel, Julian Tavarez and Rick White.

Tavarez, 32, is the youngest of the group, so he figures to require the biggest commitment in years and money. Although he is well known for being temperamental, he probably has the most consistent resume of all the relievers remaining on the market.

Quangormo
12-09-05, 09:57 PM
What about Tony Armas? He's young and has a great arm. Probably would come cheap. Jay Powell and Kelly Wunsch are some other potentially cheap alternatives. I know the Yanks have looked into Powell in the past. I also love the idea of signing Dotel to an incentive laden contract.
Armas was offered arbitration by the Nationals, so the Yankees would have to give up a draft pick. The same for Joey Eischen, whom I like a lot, but Eiscehn was effective last year.

Powell and Wunsch are interesting suggestions.

Remember, the bullpen at the moment consists of Mo, Farnsworth, Sturtze, Myers, and the two leftover starters. And I understand Proctor is out of options, so he'll have to be kept or traded. So where do we put the guys you suggested?

ICEBERG18
12-13-05, 01:23 AM
In other developments, Cashman was spotted lunching at a Washington Heights restaurant yesterday with free-agent reliever Julian Tavarez. "I went there and he showed up," Cashman said of the right-hander whom the Yankees have an interest in.

http://www.nypost.com/sports/yankees/58605.htm

NYDCYankee
12-13-05, 01:24 AM
Sure he just "showed up" Ca$h. And I am sure George accidentally paid the bill.

guidry36
12-13-05, 04:07 AM
Tavarez has been solid the past few years. He probably will ask for a 4-year deal for a ridiculous amount. The Yankees have an insane amount of players potentially competing for bullpen spots. Rivera/Myers/Farnsworth/Sturtze/Proctor/Small/Wright...
Colter Bean/Matt Smith/Dusty Bergman/Jose Veras/Jason Anderson...... possibly Al Leiter and Ramiro Mendoza. I have no idea why Wayne Franklin is still on the 40 man roster. I would rather bring up Smith than sign Tavarez. For that matter, I would much rather sign Dotel than Tavarez. Why are guys like Rick White and Jeff Nelson3 being mentioned when it would be better to give Colter Bean a shot?

Mark19
12-14-05, 03:53 AM
Daily News says that the Mets may be willing to go to 4 years to get Tavarez.


No Thanks!

We would be better served taking a 1 year chance on guys like Hasegawa, Giovanni Carrara or Rick White.

NYDCYankee
12-14-05, 04:01 AM
Daily News says that the Mets may be willing to go to 4 years to get Tavarez.


No Thanks!

We would be better served taking a 1 year chance on guys like Hasegawa, Giovanni Carrara or Rick White.


But we are willing to go 3 with Tavarez.

mbn007
12-14-05, 05:55 AM
Tavarez has been solid the past few years. He probably will ask for a 4-year deal for a ridiculous amount. The Yankees have an insane amount of players potentially competing for bullpen spots. Rivera/Myers/Farnsworth/Sturtze/Proctor/Small/Wright...
Colter Bean/Matt Smith/Dusty Bergman/Jose Veras/Jason Anderson...... possibly Al Leiter and Ramiro Mendoza. I have no idea why Wayne Franklin is still on the 40 man roster. I would rather bring up Smith than sign Tavarez. For that matter, I would much rather sign Dotel than Tavarez. Why are guys like Rick White and Jeff Nelson3 being mentioned when it would be better to give Colter Bean a shot?

Personally, I hope Matt Smith gets a legit shot at a lefty spot out of the pen, but he is similar to Myers; i.e., very effective against lefties, not so against righties.

I think the team does not hold Bean in the highest regard. He should have had a real shot last year, when we went through the world looking for help.

indianyanksfan
12-14-05, 08:22 AM
Daily News says that the Mets may be willing to go to 4 years to get Tavarez.


No Thanks!

We would be better served taking a 1 year chance on guys like Hasegawa, Giovanni Carrara or Rick White.

it's like omar doesnt know how to spend wisely. :P

guidry36
12-14-05, 09:36 AM
Personally, I hope Matt Smith gets a legit shot at a lefty spot out of the pen, but he is similar to Myers; i.e., very effective against lefties, not so against righties.

I think the team does not hold Bean in the highest regard. He should have had a real shot last year, when we went through the world looking for help.

Sad.....he pitched in 1 game for the Yankees last year. He isn't the hardest thrower, but puts up great K totals every year. There is nothing more for him to prove at AAA......yet we get to hear names like Roberto Hernandez, Jeff Nelson3, Rick White, Jose Mesa......thrown around during various points in the offseason. Seanez had a great year....but is a 37 year old journeyman. Colter Bean turns 29 in January....the "prospect" days are over......but he would be at least as good of a bet as any remaining free agent reliever.

Quangormo
12-14-05, 12:36 PM
Eischen is re-signing with the Nationals says Newsday.
They signed him yesterday, along with Robert Fick and four -- count' em, four -- backup catchers. (One was former Yankee Alberto Castillo.)

What would we be willing to give up for Ron Villone? I think he's the only piece left unsold in Florida's fire sale.

guidry36
12-14-05, 02:31 PM
They signed him yesterday, along with Robert Fick and four -- count' em, four -- backup catchers. (One was former Yankee Alberto Castillo.)

What would we be willing to give up for Ron Villone? I think he's the only piece left unsold in Florida's fire sale.

Proctor and a minor leaguer wouldn't be bad for Villone......but they will probably ask for Duncan and Hughes;) . Villone would be a better fit than any of the FA RHRP's .A 2nd lefty would be nice........but Smith will be ready at some point this year. Is Myers to be trusted?? Villone would be an option vs. LH and RH batters. I don't like the idea of even 3 years for Tavarez because Cox, for one, would be ready within 2 years. Pass on all the journeyman RH's. Hasegawa(38) is done....and White(37)and Carrara(38) shouldn't be given contracts. The Yankees are loaded with good relievers at AA and AAA.

IronCaballo4
12-14-05, 02:33 PM
We should send Farnsworth to threaten all free agents into signing with us

DJ27
12-14-05, 02:43 PM
We should send Farnsworth to threaten all free agents into signing with us

:rockin: :rockin: :rockin:

Great idea!

DJ27
12-14-05, 02:45 PM
The Yankees are loaded with good relievers at AA and AAA.

Which is why we need to fill our CF hole first.

guidry36
12-14-05, 02:59 PM
Which is why we need to fill our CF hole first.
You nailed it, DJ27.

:NY:

NYDCYankee
12-14-05, 11:13 PM
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spyanks1215,0,4645309.story?coll=ny-sports-headlines


The Yankees remain interested in relievers Octavio Dotel, Rudy Seanez, Julian Tavarez and Rick White. They are believed to have serious interest in Dotel, but are not optimistic about their chances, with numerous teams considering him, including the Mets.

Cashman had lunch with Tavarez on Monday in Washington Heights, but only by chance. Cashman was in the area for meetings regarding the new stadium, and bumped into the righthander. The Mets, however, are ahead of the Yankees in their pursuit of him.

I doubt the Mets will get Taverez and Dotel, so maybe the Yankees can snag one.

Panamaniac42
12-14-05, 11:18 PM
What about Tony Armas? He's young and has a great arm. Probably would come cheap. Jay Powell and Kelly Wunsch are some other potentially cheap alternatives. I know the Yanks have looked into Powell in the past. I also love the idea of signing Dotel to an incentive laden contract.


Didn't Jay Powell's arm explode or something? Same injury as that poor guy from Tampa Bay. From what I recall Canseco said that injury was a result of roids. I know I know, no facts, no proof...let's just leave it at "Jay Powell is coming back from a horrific injury, don't touch him"


EDIT:
Braves | Powell's Career Likely Over
Wed, 10 Aug 2005 21:34:19 -0700

Updating previous reports, Mark Bowman, of Braves.MLB.com, says the injury to Atlanta Braves (http://www.kffl.com/team/43/mlb) RP Jay Powell (http://www.kffl.com/player/5087/mlb) (humerus) is likely career-ending, and that he has a very good chance of suffering another similar fracture if he attempted to pitch again

http://kffl.com/player/5087/mlb

Panamaniac42
12-14-05, 11:21 PM
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spyanks1215,0,4645309.story?coll=ny-sports-headlines



I doubt the Mets will get Taverez and Dotel, so maybe the Yankees can snag one.

http://nomaas.org/images/dontaskdotel.jpg

ring403
12-14-05, 11:57 PM
http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/sportsColumnists/view.bg?articleid=116919
The Red Sox have made a one-year offer laden with performance bonuses to resurgent right-handed reliever Rudy Seanez, whom they want to bolster the back end of their bullpen.

The Red Sox are one of four teams to have made an offer to the Padres free agent, with the Braves, Devil Rays and Rangers in as well, agent David Schwartz of CSMG Sports said yesterday. The Yankees and Dodgers are expected to make offers soon. It may take a two-year guaranteed deal to land Seanez, who could be used along with Mike Timlin in the set-up role, or as added insurance in case closer Keith Foulke does not return to form.

Another factor working in Seanez’ favor in the Red Sox’ eyes is that he enjoys success against left-handed hitters as well, holding them to a .231 batting average last season (.212 against righties) in a strong year with the Padres. Overall he held opponents to a .222 batting average, while posting a 2.69 ERA with 84 strikeouts and just 22 walks in 60 1/3 innings.

NYDCYankee
12-15-05, 12:08 AM
You beat me to it Ring.

So do we think the Yankees will offer Seanz 2 years. It looks like we will offer him something.

mbn007
12-15-05, 06:13 AM
Just remember, this season, all relief help is overpriced. Last year it was the market for starters, thanks to Omar with his Benson deal. This year, Omar did it by giving that 4th year at 10 million to Wagner.

flymick24
12-15-05, 06:14 AM
You beat me to it Ring.

So do we think the Yankees will offer Seanz 2 years. It looks like we will offer him something.

that's not a given.

the only reliever still in the FA market who i can see the yankees definitely extending an offer to is tavarez,

flymick24
12-15-05, 06:15 AM
Just remember, this season, all relief help is overpriced. Last year it was the market for starters, thanks to Omar with his Benson deal. This year, Omar did it by giving that 4th year at 10 million to Wagner.

no, i think the bj ryan deal is to blame this year

NYDCYankee
12-15-05, 06:36 AM
that's not a given.

the only reliever still in the FA market who i can see the yankees definitely extending an offer to is tavarez,


The MetroWest article says we are expected to.

NYDCYankee
12-15-05, 06:36 AM
no, i think the bj ryan deal is to blame this year

it was the Eyre/Howry deals as well.

whalers
12-15-05, 10:25 AM
I dont know how reliable this source is but it appears the Mets are willing to offer Tavarez 4 yrs. Ouch. I dont think its a good idea to give any reliever 4 yrs but should the Yankees match the years or make a stringer 3 yr deal? I say see what it would take to get him for three.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

Quangormo
12-15-05, 11:14 AM
Rincon
I like him, too, but he just signed with St. Louis.

Quangormo
12-15-05, 11:20 AM
Proctor and a minor leaguer wouldn't be bad for Villone.
I agree, if it's not to high-proifile a minor leaguer.

They need a lot of things, but one that is glaring is CF. Do we give them Proctor and one of Kevin Reese, Kevin Thompson, or Melky?

Tifoso
12-15-05, 05:29 PM
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051215&content_id=1282646&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy


Yankees make Myers signing official
Lefty specialist signs two-year deal, hopes to attract Damon
By Bryan Hoch / Special to MLB.com

Mike Myers held left-handed hitters to a .158 batting average in 2005. (Jim McIsaac/Getty Images)
Yankees Headlines


NEW YORK -- By definition, Mike Myers' job description involves coming in against a tough left-handed batter.
But in a broader sense, Myers' most important assignment this season might be facing one especially tough slugger. If Myers regularly neutralizes Boston's dangerous David Ortiz, as the Yankees hope he can, he'll be worth every penny.

guidry36
12-15-05, 07:49 PM
I agree, if it's not to high-proifile a minor leaguer.

They need a lot of things, but one that is glaring is CF. Do we give them Proctor and one of Kevin Reese, Kevin Thompson, or Melky?
Not Melky. I like Thompson a lot.....it's hard to say what the Marlins would ask for. Reese would be OK to trade, but they would probably want more. Cashman was pretty frustrated with what the marlins asked the Yankees for Pierre vs. what they ended up getting from the Cubs. As a straight salary dump, Proctor and Reese or Proctor plus PTBNL would be fair.

JeffWeaverFan
12-16-05, 01:27 AM
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spyanks1216,0,4710846.story?coll=ny-sports-headlines


The Yankees could rekindle their search for another righthander for their bullpen Friday. They recently put that move on hold as they concentrated on Garciaparra and while general manager Brian Cashman visited Tampa for meetings with international scouts.

Rudy Seanez, Julian Tavarez, Octavio Dotel and Rick White are the best available options. The Yankees liked Roberto Hernandez, but he told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette in Thursday's editions that he chose the Pirates because he didn't like what his role would have been with the Yankees.

"The Yankees have Mariano Rivera and Tanyon Sturtze, and now they just picked up Kyle Farnsworth," he said. "What was I going to do there, pitch the fifth inning?"

I'm thankful Hernandez did not pick us.

flymick24
12-16-05, 01:38 AM
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spyanks1216,0,4710846.story?coll=ny-sports-headlines



I'm thankful Hernandez did not pick us.

he sounds like an obnoxious prick. he's lucky the pirates even gave him what they did

ring403
12-16-05, 06:53 AM
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spyanks1216,0,4710846.story?coll=ny-sports-headlines




I'm curious as to why Cashman is meeting with the international scouts. Interesting.

NYDCYankee
12-16-05, 06:56 AM
I'm curious as to why Cashman is meeting with the international scouts. Interesting.

Any guesses?

ring403
12-16-05, 07:02 AM
Any guesses?I'd like to think that the Seibu Lions have had a change of heart regarding Matsuzaka, but it's likely not anything of that magnitude.

NewEraYanks2527
12-16-05, 09:06 AM
I'd like to think that the Seibu Lions have had a change of heart regarding Matsuzaka, but it's likely not anything of that magnitude. We can only hope. Then we really would have a suitable replacement for Pavano.

GimeMoMuny
12-16-05, 03:52 PM
I'm pretty sure that I just saw a flash at the bottom of the WFAN screen that said the Yanks got Villone from FLA. I think it said for Julianel. Has anyone else heard anything about that?

jpao89
12-16-05, 03:59 PM
I'm pretty sure that I just saw a flash at the bottom of the WFAN screen that said the Yanks got Villone from FLA. I think it said for Julianel. Has anyone else heard anything about that?

I haven't heard anything about that in the thread started announcing the deal.

Mark19
12-16-05, 04:43 PM
Mo, Kyle, Tanyon, Myers, Villone, Jaret, Small, RJ, Carl, Mike, Wang, Chacon

That's 12


someone is going to get traded

my bet is that Small is toast for a borderline 4th OF

38Special
12-16-05, 04:48 PM
I dont think you trade anyone until spring training.

AMYanks
12-16-05, 04:55 PM
Small for Michaels.

Come on Gillick, Small was 10-0 last year!!!!!!!!1111

ring403
12-17-05, 01:03 AM
http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1134799625268260.xml&coll=1
"One reason we were attracted to Ron," general manager Brian Cashman said, "is because he's versatile, he can spot start, he can long relief, situational lefty -- he has the ability to do all of those without complaint."

And Cashman said he "is not closed down" on pursuing relievers, although free agents would certainly be wary of an apparent logjam.

The Dynasty
12-17-05, 10:40 AM
Sign Dotel to an incentive-laden 2-year deal. That's a good start.

dabomb2045
12-17-05, 10:43 AM
Sign Dotel to an incentive-laden 2-year deal. That's a good start.


agreed...there is no doubt in my mind Dotel can and will be a dominant setup man once again

The Dynasty
12-17-05, 11:04 AM
agreed...there is no doubt in my mind Dotel can and will be a dominant setup man once again

Agreed.

38Special
12-17-05, 11:05 AM
Overpay for Dotel if you have to, but do not give a 3 year deal to Tavarez. Please no.

The Dynasty
12-17-05, 11:13 AM
Overpay for Dotel if you have to, but do not give a 3 year deal to Tavarez. Please no.

Agreed. No Tavarez.

whalers
12-17-05, 11:15 AM
Agreed. No Tavarez.
I heard he wanted 4

dabomb2045
12-17-05, 11:17 AM
is anyone talking to Dotel?? what type of deal is he looking for?

ring403
12-17-05, 12:14 PM
is anyone talking to Dotel?? what type of deal is he looking for?http://www.nynewsday.com/sports/baseball/ny-spyanks174555115dec17,0,6988301.story?coll=ny-baseball-headlines

The Yankees still don't feel their bullpen is done and hope to land one more righthander. They like Octavio Dotel the most despite his 2005 Tommy John surgery because they can sign him to an incentive-laden deal.

Spiker101
12-18-05, 06:05 AM
Another name that might be thrown into the hopper come Tuesday is Dan Kolb. He had a horrific season in '05 as the closer for the Braves and it seems Atlanta may non-tender him and try to work out a lesser deal than the minimum $2.72 million he would get under the rules.
I know he really spit the bit last year. But the two previous years he was one of the best closers in the NL. He's not much of a strikeout guy, relying on a heavy sinker that resulted in one of the best groundball/flyball ratios in the game. He throws in the mid-90s and keeps runners from stealing. He's at a good age, 30.
Couple of red flags, other than his off-year in '05, he had rotator cuff surgery in '02, but appears to be fully recovered. The other? A guy name Scott Boras is his agent.
Still, I don't think he costs as much as Tavarez and with a much better upside.
Sign Dotel and pick up Kolb, and the Yanks could go into the playoffs in '06 with this pen: Mo, Farnsworth, Kolb, Dotel, Myers and Sturtze. That could be as dominate as the Angels' pen of '02, and that was the most dominant pen in history. And at a lot less than one year of Damon.

Yankees1962
12-18-05, 06:11 AM
Another name that might be thrown into the hopper come Tuesday is Dan Kolb. He had a horrific season in '05 as the closer for the Braves and it seems Atlanta may non-tender him and try to work out a lesser deal than the minimum $2.72 million he would get under the rules.
I know he really spit the bit last year. But the two previous years he was one of the best closers in the NL. He's not much of a strikeout guy, relying on a heavy sinker that resulted in one of the best groundball/flyball ratios in the game. He throws in the mid-90s and keeps runners from stealing. He's at a good age, 30.
Couple of red flags, other than his off-year in '05, he had rotator cuff surgery in '02, but appears to be fully recovered. The other? A guy name Scott Boras is his agent.
Still, I don't think he costs as much as Tavarez and with a much better upside.
Sign Dotel and pick up Kolb, and the Yanks could go into the playoffs in '06 with this pen: Mo, Farnsworth, Kolb, Dotel, Myers and Sturtze. That could be as dominate as the Angels' pen of '02, and that was the most dominant pen in history. And at a loss less than one year of Damon.
I thought Kolb was sent back to the Brewers by Atlanta?

Yankees13
12-18-05, 06:44 AM
http://www.nynewsday.com/sports/baseball/ny-spyanks174555115dec17,0,6988301.story?coll=ny-baseball-headlines
Dotel would give us an amazing pen when he returns, he was the best set up man in baseball before he became a closer.

Spiker101
12-18-05, 06:54 AM
I thought Kolb was sent back to the Brewers by Atlanta?

:o Yes, yes. What an idiot I am. It's the Brewers who have to make a decision by Tuesday whether to tender him. Doug Melvin, who isn't John Schuerholz, btw, is hinting that unless they sign him at below the $2.72 million they will probably non-tender. "We have a lower figure in mind," said general manager Melvin.

Sorry for the mistake.

ring403
12-18-05, 07:57 AM
I heard he wanted 4
http://www.nypost.com/sports/yankees/59800.htm
The Yankees remain interested in right-handed reliever Julian Tavarez, another Boras client, but figure Tavarez' request for a four-year deal around $20 million is excessive.

yanksphan
12-18-05, 11:33 AM
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/brew/dec05/378324.asp



Making no progress in negotiations with reliever Dan Kolb, reacquired from Atlanta in a deal for right-hander Wes Obermueller at the winter meetings, the Milwaukee Brewers do not intend to offer him a 2006 contract on the Tuesday deadline.

Teams are not allowed to cut a player's salary by more than 20% from year to year. Kolb made $3.4 million while suffering through a dismal 2005 season with Atlanta (3-8, 5.93 ERA, 11 for 18 in saves), meaning the Brewers would have to offer him at least $2.72 million for next season.

"We have a lower figure in mind," said general manager Doug Melvin.

Thus, barring a settlement by Tuesday, the Brewers will non-tender Kolb and try to work out a lesser deal. Non-tendered players are open to offers from other clubs, which Melvin acknowledged could be an obstacle, considering Kolb's agent is Scott Boras, renown for seeking the highest salary for clients.

Mark19
12-18-05, 11:32 PM
It looks possible that the Yanks could sign Octavio Dotel to an incentive-laden 1 year deal.

How can we possibly keep Farnsworth, Sturtze, Myers, Villone, Wright, Small, Dotel and the magnificent Mo in the bullpen all at one time?

My guess is that by April we will see Small get traded and Wright get relegated to bullpen duty until a starter goes down.

It is also possible that Sturtze goes in a deal to Philly for Michaels.

CL: Mo
RHRP: Farnsworth
RHRP: Dotel
RHRP: Sturtze
LHRP: Villone
LOOGY: Myers
Longman: Wright

DJ27
12-19-05, 12:26 PM
It looks possible that the Yanks could sign Octavio Dotel to an incentive-laden 1 year deal.

How can we possibly keep Farnsworth, Sturtze, Myers, Villone, Wright, Small, Dotel and the magnificent Mo in the bullpen all at one time?

My guess is that by April we will see Small get traded and Wright get relegated to bullpen duty until a starter goes down.

It is also possible that Sturtze goes in a deal to Philly for Michaels.

CL: Mo
RHRP: Farnsworth
RHRP: Dotel
RHRP: Sturtze
LHRP: Villone
LOOGY: Myers
Longman: Wright

Closer- Mo
Set-up- Farnsworth
LOOGY- Myers
LOOGY- Villone
5-7th- Sturtze
RHRP- Dotel
Long Man- Small

Wright will start in the 5th spot once Pavano gets dealt for an OF.

Spiker101
12-19-05, 05:30 PM
Buster Olney said on ESPNews that the Indians are actually considering non-tendering David Riske for financial reasons. I have a hard time buying that, considering he's one of the best setup men in the game, but if ... you jump on him with all four feet.

38Special
12-19-05, 05:58 PM
Villone is not a LOOGY

The Dynasty
12-19-05, 07:56 PM
Buster Olney said on ESPNews that the Indians are actually considering non-tendering David Riske for financial reasons. I have a hard time buying that, considering he's one of the best setup men in the game, but if ... you jump on him with all four feet.

Riske? I have a hard time believing that. Hell, if he's non-tendered, I jump ALL over that.

Sign Riske
Sign Dotel
Trade Sturtze and a minor-leaguer for Michaels

Wade_Taylor
12-19-05, 08:09 PM
Riske? I have a hard time believing that. Hell, if he's non-tendered, I jump ALL over that.

Sign Riske
Sign Dotel
Trade Sturtze and a minor-leaguer for Michaels

It always seems that teams this time of year ar rumored to be non-tendering a lot more guys than they actually do non-tender if that makes any sense. I seem to remember last year there were a bunch of guys who were supposed to be non-tendered who were pretty good but at the last minute the teams tendered contracts. I think Ortiz really scared off all these teams so now they are more likely to tender than non-tender and risk letting go of a potentially good player.

After having Hoffman and Nomar turn them down I cannot believe that the Indians would non-tender Riskie for financial concerns. If they do it for ability reasons I would also be wary because Shapiro is pretty sharp. Having said all of that I suppose Riskie is a good option despite the fact that his K rate dropped a lot last year. Although he had more innings per appearance so maybe he was't going all out trying to blow guys away because he knew he needed to conserve pitches for longer outings. I doubt he comes here, with all of the arms already in the pen the only thing we can offer him is money and I am sure there would be some team that would match the money and offer him a more definite role.

ICEBERG18
12-19-05, 09:50 PM
Buster Olney said on ESPNews that the Indians are actually considering non-tendering David Riske for financial reasons. I have a hard time buying that, considering he's one of the best setup men in the game, but if ... you jump on him with all four feet.

No he didn't, he said that the Indians are going to tender him a contract.

The FUTURE
12-19-05, 11:04 PM
The bullpen is fine right now...but i think the yankees should strongly consider signing Julian Tavarez..this would A. Keep Tavarez away from the Mets:D ;) :) :P and B.allow us to use guys like Ron Villone and Tanyon Sturtze in the 5th and 6th innings, Mike Myers in key situations against lefties and in case of injury, for example, If Mo got hurt(knock on wood:P ) we could simply have farnsworth close, tavarez move to the 8th and Sturtze move to the 7th. Our bullpen would be talented,deep,and could last a season with having our main guys not get burned out. Also we should maybe consider adding a couple veterans that could start the season in columbus and be called up in case of injury such as RHP Ramiro Mendoza (pretty much signed already) LHP's Jon Halama, Dennys Reyes, Mike Remlinger, Mike Stanton or Alan Embree(pick one) and another RHP such as Keichii Yabu, Shingo Takatsu, Felix Rodriguez, Dan Meceli or Ben Weber.:o

AMYanks
12-19-05, 11:10 PM
The bullpen is fine right now...but i think the yankees should strongly consider signing Julian Tavarez..this would A. Keep Tavarez away from the Mets:D ;) :) :P and B.allow us to use guys like Ron Villone and Tanyon Sturtze in the 5th and 6th innings, Mike Myers in key situations against lefties and in case of injury, for example, If Mo got hurt(knock on wood:P ) we could simply have farnsworth close, tavarez move to the 8th and Sturtze move to the 7th. Our bullpen would be talented,deep,and could last a season with having our main guys not get burned out. Also we should maybe consider adding a couple veterans that could start the season in columbus and be called up in case of injury such as RHP Ramiro Mendoza (pretty much signed already) LHP's Jon Halama, Dennys Reyes, Mike Remlinger, Mike Stanton or Alan Embree(pick one) and another RHP such as Keichii Yabu, Shingo Takatsu, Felix Rodriguez, Dan Meceli or Ben Weber.:o

4 years for a reliever who has been average at best his entire career (a couple of good years in the NL doesn't make up for his absolutely dreadful past) would not be a smart move. It would be much better to sign Dotel to an incentive-laden deal, and once he is 100%, he will be better than Tavarez. Luckily, Cashman is going in this direction.

NYDCYankee
12-19-05, 11:18 PM
Buster Olney said on ESPNews that the Indians are actually considering non-tendering David Riske for financial reasons. I have a hard time buying that, considering he's one of the best setup men in the game, but if ... you jump on him with all four feet.


Sounds like a risky move if you ask me.
HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

The FUTURE
12-20-05, 10:40 AM
4 years for a reliever who has been average at best his entire career (a couple of good years in the NL doesn't make up for his absolutely dreadful past) would not be a smart move. It would be much better to sign Dotel to an incentive-laden deal, and once he is 100%, he will be better than Tavarez. Luckily, Cashman is going in this direction.


Well I was hoping we could sign Tavarez for 3 years. Dotel would be nice too. But how long will it take him to fully recover from his injury ??