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yogibuck
12-07-05, 09:52 AM
This is curious to me.

http://www.bergen.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkxMTMmZmdiZWw3Zjd2cWVlRUV5eTY4MzIyNjQmeXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXk2


The guy made $400k last year. Why not sign him for the 5th man in the bullpen? I certainly don't want him as our set up man, but is he any worse than Tanyon Sturtze? or some of the other guys we trooped out there this year?

The guy made a personal plea to come back to the Yanks. Sure he is 39. But I'm not talking about signing him to a key role.

His numbers last year were still better than many guys? 3.93 ERA in less than 40 IP. Right handers hit .196 last year against him. Lefties hit .342.

I could find a nitch for a guy like that for the league minimum.

ppa79
12-07-05, 09:54 AM
I think they might bring him as a spring training invitee.

JDPNYY
12-07-05, 09:55 AM
I'd rather have the umpire.

DandyAndy46
12-07-05, 09:57 AM
Maybe they can bring him in a Spring Training Instructor...but he's just another re-tread who doesn't have stuff anymore....get over it!!!

38Special
12-07-05, 09:59 AM
http://tinypic.com/ibjbl4.jpg

gdn
12-07-05, 10:05 AM
Hahahaha 38. I think you took that smoking with Dombrowski thing literally....


Jeff Nelson - no thanks.

ojo
12-07-05, 10:06 AM
nelson no longer has control. 22 walks in 36 innings? yuck.

yogibuck
12-07-05, 10:14 AM
.196 vs RIGHTHANDERS

Tanyon Sturtze
Scott Proctor
Felix Rod ($3M per year)
Buddy Groom
Mike Stanton
Wayne Franklin
Alan Embree
Paul Quantrill
Darrell May
Tim Redding

"Quiver"

I'd sign nelson for the league min

38Special
12-07-05, 10:16 AM
It's easy to have low batting averages against when you walk EVERY OTHER BATTER

NewEraYanks2527
12-07-05, 10:45 AM
Come on Nelson? Didn't we have version 2 of him when he came over from the Mariners for Benetiz? Give him a ST invite and thats it.

Dooley Womack
12-07-05, 10:47 AM
To see him run the count to 3-2 on every batter and walk half of them? No thanks.

NewEraYanks2527
12-07-05, 10:56 AM
To see him run the count to 3-2 on every batter and walk half of them? No thanks.
Yea we already have guys that can do that!

destro
12-07-05, 10:57 AM
We did this last season, it was called Mike Stanton

NewEraYanks2527
12-07-05, 10:57 AM
We did this last season, it was called Mike Stanton
And Al Leiter, and Scott Proctor to name a few more.

destro
12-07-05, 10:59 AM
I'd let Nelson spend some time in AAA and invite him to spring training, but he doesnt make the major league roster unless someone falls apart.

NewEraYanks2527
12-07-05, 11:07 AM
I'd let Nelson spend some time in AAA and invite him to spring training, but he doesnt make the major league roster unless someone falls apart.
He and Nomo can hang out in the minors and discuss the fine art of pitching horribly.

ojo
12-07-05, 11:09 AM
It's easy to have low batting averages against when you walk EVERY OTHER BATTER

uh jeff the plate's this way.

destro
12-07-05, 11:12 AM
He and Nomo can hang out in the minors and discuss the fine art of pitching horribly.

sure beats doing nothing

Stupid Flanders
12-07-05, 11:12 AM
We did this last season, it was called Mike Stanton
I still stay Stanton could have been effective if Torre had used him as a LOOGY. His splits were good.

But, Torre has no clue what he's doing

nyctalopia
12-07-05, 11:31 AM
no thanks. i could go out there and walk every batter i face. then my batting average against would be even better; it would be 0.000.

Stupid Flanders
12-07-05, 11:33 AM
He really hasn't done anything of note since "Breakfast Club"

Dooley Womack
12-07-05, 11:36 AM
And Al Leiter, and Scott Proctor to name a few more.

:lol: This is true. But why not add to the mayhem and fun?

PerfectCone
12-07-05, 12:55 PM
What, no interest in contracting an STD?

Jeff Nelson = no fingernails, for the whole summer.

DandyAndy46
12-07-05, 01:03 PM
I still stay Stanton could have been effective if Torre had used him as a LOOGY. His splits were good.

But, Torre has no clue what he's doing

Right, it didn't matter that Stanton couldn't pitch anymore, right?

Kulish29
12-07-05, 01:34 PM
I wonder when someone is going to start the "Karim Garcia for CF?" thread.

Yankeeah
12-07-05, 01:36 PM
I wonder when someone is going to start the "Karim Garcia for CF?" thread.

Don't diss Karim Garcia, he'll piss on your favorite pizza place then throw things at your car when you drive away.

Bernie Inferno
12-07-05, 01:36 PM
Been there, done that. Been there, done that.

Yanks Lifer
12-07-05, 01:43 PM
Been to that well enough times already. Next!

surge511
12-07-05, 01:53 PM
While Nelson was a great Yankee, he is too old, and there is just not enough room for him on this team anymore. We must move on.

Sam18
12-07-05, 01:59 PM
YES! Bring him back home where he belongs! He's got championship experience. If he's bad then atleast he can teach Wang, Cano, RJ and Mussina how to pitch/hit in big games. Get it done Cashman!

NewEraYanks2527
12-07-05, 02:37 PM
sure beats doing nothing
Hey destro any word from the Tony Danza front? ;)

Yankyfan
12-07-05, 03:21 PM
I read there talking to Rick White? So why not Jeff instead?

Sierra Mist
12-07-05, 07:59 PM
I'd like to see Nelson back on a minor league deal. Who knows what can happen.

Snatch Catch
12-07-05, 08:00 PM
I'd like to see Nelson back on a minor league deal. Who knows what can happen.


He could rape Small in the shower.

I prefer the Yankees didn't take that chance.

JeffWeaverFan
12-07-05, 08:12 PM
None from me... Give me Rudy Seanez!!!

Nome
12-08-05, 06:52 AM
This is curious to me.

http://www.bergen.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkxMTMmZmdiZWw3Zjd2cWVlRUV5eTY4MzIyNjQmeXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXk2


The guy made $400k last year. Why not sign him for the 5th man in the bullpen? I certainly don't want him as our set up man, but is he any worse than Tanyon Sturtze? or some of the other guys we trooped out there this year?

The guy made a personal plea to come back to the Yanks. Sure he is 39. But I'm not talking about signing him to a key role.

His numbers last year were still better than many guys? 3.93 ERA in less than 40 IP. Right handers hit .196 last year against him. Lefties hit .342.

I could find a nitch for a guy like that for the league minimum.

He'd make a good batting practice pitcher. His fastball is so flat our hitters could practice groovbing their swing on him

Andy

Yankees13
12-08-05, 07:25 AM
I wonder when someone is going to start the "Karim Garcia for CF?" thread.
He needs to be bringing himself up to Pedro's level before we can consider him. ;)

Yankyfan
12-08-05, 09:38 AM
I say Give him a look see.A minor league deal with Major league language and an invite to ST.If he's healthy you never know

TEPLimey
12-08-05, 09:45 AM
The last think we need is to give Torre an option to use an ineffective pitcher with "veteran experience." It's like handing a five-year-old a bomb and telling him "whatever you do, don't press the red button."

DandyAndy46
12-09-05, 08:45 AM
I wonder when someone is going to start the "Karim Garcia for CF?" thread.

Karim Garcia? Who is Karim Garcia....I am Pedro Martinez...

flymick24
12-09-05, 09:09 AM
He could rape Small in the shower.



you just had to go there...

DandyAndy46
12-09-05, 09:56 AM
I'd like to see Nelson back on a minor league deal. Who knows what can happen.


That's right, if the Yankees need a pitcher to come in and intentionally walk a hitter in a key situation then they will have someone to call in from the bullpen

effdamets
12-09-05, 10:01 AM
Is there a particular reason that this thread is still open? For other reasons than comic relief?

No one wants Jeff Nelson! His fast ball is up, his curve is hanging, in the show, they'll rip him.

Letter to Jeff:

Retire.

Thank you.

Yankyfan
12-09-05, 05:22 PM
Eff his elbow was bad.I think a ST wouldn't hurt.A tandem of Nelson and Myers if used right could eat an inning or two.

gold23
12-09-05, 05:30 PM
Nelson was all over the lobby in Dallas......one of the few major league players down there who didn't have a speaking engagement or presentation. He actually got turned away at the Baseball America gala since he didn't have a ticket.....eventually was allowed in.

EnglishYankeeFan
12-09-05, 05:33 PM
When Nelson re-signed with the Mariners before the 2005 season, didn't he say he'd always been a Mariner in his heart (!) despite mainly being known for his Yankees exploits? Is he going to reveal he's a closet Bleacher Creature to get a gig next year?

Mark19
01-04-06, 01:14 PM
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/ny-spmets044574692jan04,0,7751798.story?coll=ny-mets-print


The Yankees spoke yesterday with the representative for free-agent reliever Jeff Nelson, but Nelson, a two-time former Yankee, isn't close to deciding on his next employer.

This would either be a minor league deal or we could be thinking about trading Tanyon.

38Special
01-04-06, 01:17 PM
minor league is what i read before

Evil Empire
01-04-06, 02:02 PM
I don't think we should go down this road again.

yanksconstantino24
01-04-06, 02:13 PM
I'd only sign Jeff Nelson if he was willing to accept a role as the team body gaurd on road trips to Boston.

Yankyfan
01-04-06, 03:28 PM
If you lefty ,righty with Meyers and Nelson you could eat an inning a game but you would have to make room for such a tandem.

Saxmania
01-04-06, 03:57 PM
None. But thanks for asking.

Be seeing you,

Saxmania

The FUTURE
01-04-06, 07:48 PM
To a Minor League deal...thats it

NYYRocket
01-05-06, 10:14 PM
I have had enough of Nellie. Please stay away

hellonewman
01-05-06, 10:25 PM
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/ny-spmets044574692jan04,0,7751798.story?coll=ny-mets-print



This would either be a minor league deal or we could be thinking about trading Tanyon.No thanks. BTW, you missed the REAL nugget:

"Baltimore, meanwhile, is negotiating with former Yankee Ruben Sierra"


:eek:

Clive
01-05-06, 10:45 PM
No thanks. BTW, you missed the REAL nugget:

"Baltimore, meanwhile, is negotiating with former Yankee Ruben Sierra"


:eek:Sierra Mist and bobby jr. would make one hell of a team. :D

Steph19
01-05-06, 10:46 PM
No thanks. BTW, you missed the REAL nugget:

"Baltimore, meanwhile, is negotiating with former Yankee Ruben Sierra"


:eek:

Just when you think they've reached their lowest, Angelos digs a little deeper.

I'm sure this will make Tejada very satisfied with the direction of the team. :P

JDPNYY
01-06-06, 12:13 AM
I think I'd give him a shot. One more turn for Tino as well. Maybe Mondesi too.

genius-24
01-06-06, 01:26 AM
He walks too many guys. That's what frustates me. Also at this point it will be very hard to find a spot for him unless we trade away sturtz.

I say...trade sturtz and sign tavarez who is better then Nelson at this point, but this might cost about 4 mil per year.

I dont think Nelson would able to do the job that tavarez would IF fransy fails to set for MO. So obiviously, this adds to our depth and gives us more flexibility in the BP.

ryanthe13th
01-06-06, 03:10 AM
Nelson has a belly full of guts.

Jersey Yankee
01-06-06, 03:12 AM
Hey, what would this great Yankee team be w/o someone to fake to 3B then fake to 1B? We couldn't possibly win it all w/o him.

flymick24
01-06-06, 04:19 AM
Hey, what would this great Yankee team be w/o someone to fake to 3B then fake to 1B? We couldn't possibly win it all w/o him.

:lol: i remember that working ONCE while he was in NY

drjeckyl
01-06-06, 07:02 AM
:lol: i remember that working ONCE while he was in NY

lol... Each time I saw him do that fake, I used to think that it must have worked once in little league or high school for him.

I think I remember he was successful once with the yanks too. I wonder if it worked more than once.

jnewmark
01-06-06, 07:53 AM
He's pretty good at bullpen fighting .

BroadwayBomber55
01-06-06, 01:13 PM
I'll pass on Jeff Nelson.

BroadwayBomber55
01-06-06, 01:13 PM
He's pretty good at bullpen fighting .

He should train in the UFC or PRIDE FC.

GiambiRocks
01-06-06, 01:16 PM
He walks too many guys. That's what frustates me. Also at this point it will be very hard to find a spot for him unless we trade away sturtz.

I say...trade sturtz and sign tavarez who is better then Nelson at this point, but this might cost about 4 mil per year.

I dont think Nelson would able to do the job that tavarez would IF fransy fails to set for MO. So obiviously, this adds to our depth and gives us more flexibility in the BP.
Genius.....It's STURTZE Sturtze with an E not Sturtz.............STURTZE

StaceyRosie
01-06-06, 01:18 PM
Genius.....It's STURTZE Sturtze with an E not Sturtz.............STURTZE Down killer ;)

GiambiRocks
01-06-06, 01:23 PM
Down killer ;)
HAHAHAHA!Sorry....that's one of my pet peeves. :(

ryanthe13th
01-06-06, 02:27 PM
What kind've kills me about this thread is that everyone is speaking about how bad Nelson's control is, and it is awful, but people seem to be real open about Al Leiter returning to the Yankees. Despite Nelsons control problems he finished with a 3.93 ERA.

If Al Leiter gets an invite to ST or a minor league deal, than Jeff Nelson is worthy of one as well if you ask me.

Bernie Inferno
01-06-06, 09:18 PM
What kind've kills me about this thread is that everyone is speaking about how bad Nelson's control is, and it is awful, but people seem to be real open about Al Leiter returning to the Yankees. Despite Nelsons control problems he finished with a 3.93 ERA.

If Al Leiter gets an invite to ST or a minor league deal, than Jeff Nelson is worthy of one as well if you ask me. True, but Leiter is a lefty...

ryanthe13th
01-07-06, 12:42 PM
True, but Leiter is a lefty...

So are Myers and Villone. Leiter is a lefty, big deal. Everyone on this board knows that Leiter gets mauled by right handed batters. Myers gets knocked around by righties as well, but Torre is more inclined to throw Leiter for more than one batter/one inning than he is Myers because Leiter is a 'crafty veteran whose been there before'.

HidekiIrabu
01-08-06, 03:21 PM
I dont think Nelson has it anymore

genius-24
01-09-06, 01:41 AM
Genius.....It's STURTZE Sturtze with an E not Sturtz.............STURTZE
:-werd-:

????

U should double check...its sturtz

Saxmania
01-09-06, 02:59 AM
:-werd-:

????

U should double check...its sturtz

No, it's really not. (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5341)

Be seeing you,

Saxmania

flymick24
01-09-06, 03:33 AM
:-werd-:

????

U should double check...its sturtz

i hope you're kidding... there are ways to verify this:

http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=122915

NYDCYankee
01-09-06, 03:59 AM
Wow things really have gotten slow in these here parts of the board.

CalYankeeFan
01-09-06, 04:59 AM
Genius.....It's STURTZE Sturtze with an E not Sturtz.............STURTZE

I saw this and I thought "Man, he shouldn't call him Genius,, that's got to be against the rules..."

;)

genius-24
01-09-06, 11:55 AM
Holy $h!t People.
It was a joke. I cant believe ppl posting links to varify. MY GOD!

JK ;)

Mark19
01-11-06, 02:21 PM
According to Jerry Crasnick at ESPN Insider, the Yanks have offered Nelly a 1 year contract similar to those signed by Chad Bradford and Mike Myers.

ryanthe13th
01-11-06, 02:22 PM
Son of a bitch. Does this mean that Nelson is going to be at the Major League level?

Mark19
01-11-06, 02:23 PM
Son of a bitch. Does this mean that Nelson is going to be at the Major League level?

He was also offered a contract by the Cardinals, I hope he sees that he will get more innings with the Cards and stays away from the Bronx.

ryanthe13th
01-11-06, 02:26 PM
I really don't see why the Yankees want Nelson. In a few previous posts in this thread, I defended Nelson. I still think that he could probably contribute if he kept his walks down, but that is irrelevant now that we have Leiter on the team. What are the Yankees going to do with all these pitchers? A trade HAS to be in the works. I can't see any other reason for signing Nelson.

NelsonMuntz
01-11-06, 03:25 PM
I dont think Nelson has it anymore
Oh I've still got it.

Wait, you mean Jeff Nel.... nevermind.

Mark19
01-12-06, 02:20 AM
http://www.nj.com/yankees/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1137048276290180.xml&coll=1



Free-agent reliever Jeff Nelson and the Yankees have had conversations about a minor-league deal that would bring Nelson to spring training next month in Tampa, Fla., with a chance to make the major-league roster.

NYDCYankee
01-12-06, 02:45 AM
Is this in response to Tavarez?

I understand that both squads want depth and it IS important. But they really could be hindering the development of their youth. Especially the Sox.

ring403
01-12-06, 08:04 AM
Is this in response to Tavarez?

I understand that both squads want depth and it IS important. But they really could be hindering the development of their youth. Especially the Sox.
I don't see any correlation between the Sox signing one of the better setup men available in Tavarez and the Yankees talking to Jeff Nelson about the possibility being a non-roster invitee to Spring Training.

LilChief
01-12-06, 08:26 AM
ST Invite only as far as I'm concerned...

apalradio
01-12-06, 11:34 PM
Nelson is a waste of time, money, a roster spot, and the energy it takes to even have this discussion about him.

Stupid Flanders
01-13-06, 08:50 AM
Right, it didn't matter that Stanton couldn't pitch anymore, right?
He was very effective against lefthanders. Again, perhaps you'd like to check his statistics. The problem wasn't Stanton, it was Torre.

PeteRFNY
01-13-06, 08:56 AM
He's pretty good at bullpen fighting .

Yeah...but we're also talking about the guy who once jumped up on a chair in the bullpen because he saw a mouse.

I really, REALLY do not want to see Nelson again. The first time he comes in and sucks, then makes that pouty, "not-my-fault" face when Torre comes to out to hook his ass, I'm gonna put my foot through the TV screen.

silverdsl
01-13-06, 09:01 AM
I don't see anything wrong with giving Nelson a spring training invite. The Yankees get to see if he's got anything left and it's an opportunity for Nelson to show the Yankees or some other team that he can still pitch. I have my doubts as to whether he can still pitch on the major league level but I don't see the harm in having him around during ST.

-Deborah

CyYoung4Vazquez
01-13-06, 09:02 AM
Down killer

This place is loaded with Debbie Downers. I kind of like Jeff Nelson and Farnsworth as WWE Champions.

gEO3b4
01-13-06, 09:24 AM
I dont see why so many people are so against this. If it is a Minor League deal with a spring training invite then I dont see why not. Why not give a guy a chance to pitch in AAA next year consider he has no chance of making the team. Granted, if it was a major league deal then no way, but I say why not otherwise.

If a couple of relievers go down mid-season and we need to call someone up, then I wouldnt mind bringing up Nelson for a few weeks. Obviously not before I bring up Bean, Beam, and Smith. But I wouldnt mind having him.

So far notable pitchers coming to spring training IF we sign Nelson include:

Johnson
Mussina
Wang
Pavano
Chacon
Small
Sturtze
Wright
Villone
Myers
Farnsworth
Rivera
Dotel
Leiter
Proctor
Nelson

And then obviously we still have prospects coming in such as:
Bean
Beam
DePaula
DeSalvo
Henn
Karstens and
Smith.

None of the guys in the second column will make the team, and all of the guys in the first column are making the team. We can only use 11, and 13 are on Major League deals (we theoretically could use 12, but all that does is hurt the bench depth. Torre usually likes to carry 11). So we still need to get rid of a pitcher or 2 before we bring anymore in.

Kiwiwriter
01-13-06, 09:59 AM
I don't have a problem with Jeff Nelson getting the spring training invite.

If he can pitch and makes the team, good...builds up the pen. If he can't, so long, and thanks for the fish.

At least we get the shot of him and RJ standing next to each other in the pen. The two towers! :-rofl-:

YankClipper5
01-13-06, 10:10 AM
ST invite, no big deal. If he comes out strong its just some more depth in the pen. I think he can probably do about as well as Sturtze. I have my reservations but the times Sturtze has shined here, he was pitching quite a bit over his head. If Nelson is stellar in ST then give him a shot, its only a tryout offer...

nyg02005
01-13-06, 10:55 AM
The key to the makeup of the bullpen is villone, if they thinks highly of him then at least one in the group of small, chacon, wright or pavano will be traded in ST since villone can fill the spot starter/long reliever part. This of course if someone in the group of nelson, leiter,etc does good. When Dotel comes back, then one of the relievers not named rivera will be traded.

ShaneTravis
01-13-06, 11:11 AM
I dont see why so many people are so against this. If it is a Minor League deal with a spring training invite then I dont see why not. Why not give a guy a chance to pitch in AAA next year consider he has no chance of making the team. Granted, if it was a major league deal then no way, but I say why not otherwise.

If a couple of relievers go down mid-season and we need to call someone up, then I wouldnt mind bringing up Nelson for a few weeks. Obviously not before I bring up Bean, Beam, and Smith. But I wouldnt mind having him.

So far notable pitchers coming to spring training IF we sign Nelson include:

Johnson
Mussina
Wang
Pavano
Chacon
Small
Sturtze
Wright
Villone
Myers
Farnsworth
Rivera
Dotel
Leiter
Proctor
Nelson
We can only use 11, and 13 are on Major League deals (we theoretically could use 12, but all that does is hurt the bench depth. Torre usually likes to carry 11). So we still need to get rid of a pitcher or 2 before we bring anymore in.

Last Sunday in the Post there was a blurb stating the Yanks are going to carry 12 pitchers. Seeing as Myers is so limited (strictly lefties) and may only see 30-35 innings the Yanks will carry an extra pitcher.
The quote wasn't attributed to anyone (Cashman) but the POst believes it to be true.

Nelson can still get righties out, it's the walks that give me fits.

genius-24
01-13-06, 03:12 PM
Nelson signing wouldnt really hurt us if he were to play as a backup reliever who wouldnt be on the 25 man roster. If someone were to go down he would have to step it up.
i think cash's signing of leiter and his offering of cotract to Nelly clearly suggest that someone from our current pitching staff is changing jerseys. Who might it be?
It wouldnt take a "genius" to take a good guess.
Pavano, wright and sturtz are clearly on the radar. Cash clearly wants to erase his mistakes with pavano. Well with Wright, i heard that this signing was NOT ultimately his decision.

YankClipper5
01-13-06, 04:41 PM
Nelson signing wouldnt really hurt us if he were to play as a backup reliever who wouldnt be on the 25 man roster. If someone were to go down he would have to step it up.
i think cash's signing of leiter and his offering of cotract to Nelly clearly suggest that someone from our current pitching staff is changing jerseys. Who might it be?
It wouldnt take a "genius" to take a good guess.
Pavano, wright and sturtz are clearly on the radar. Cash clearly wants to erase his mistakes with pavano. Well with Wright, i heard that this signing was NOT ultimately his decision.

I think Pavano was more to do with King George than Cash, he was the stud of the FA market and we had an anemic staff so it only makes sense. Meanwhile I think Wright is probably the most attractive since we can essentially fork over 4 mil and his deal becomes a 1 year tryout for whomever.

JeffWeaverFan
01-13-06, 05:01 PM
I think Pavano was more to do with King George than Cash, he was the stud of the FA market and we had an anemic staff so it only makes sense. Meanwhile I think Wright is probably the most attractive since we can essentially fork over 4 mil and his deal becomes a 1 year tryout for whomever.
Actually, I think Pavano was a Cash signing. He took him out to dinner and wine and dined him. Even if we fork out $4 million, the other team would have to pay the other $7 million. He is either making $11 million this year or $14 million for the next two seasons.

LuckyLopez
01-15-06, 09:39 AM
i think cash's signing of leiter and his offering of cotract to Nelly clearly suggest that someone from our current pitching staff is changing jerseys. Who might it be?
I really think its just a trait of Cashman and/or this organization. They seem to like to turn towards players they've had success with in the past. In comes up situations where they need to fill roles, like with Cairo this year or Stanton last, but I think it occurs much more with minor league deals and spring training invites. Every year you read of guys getting minor league deals or tryouts with the Yanks who more than likely have no shot of making the team. Strange names like Homer Bush being invited to camp. Or Joe Girardi. I just think its a comfort place for this organization. Sometimes it works out, like with El Duque in '04. Most of the times its just a nonfactor like the deal with Mendoza.

CalYankeeFan
01-15-06, 09:43 AM
ST invite no big deal, but I'd be surprised if he actually made the roster.

Dooley Womack
01-15-06, 11:57 AM
Actually, I think Pavano was a Cash signing. He took him out to dinner and wine and dined him. Even if we fork out $4 million, the other team would have to pay the other $7 million. He is either making $11 million this year or $14 million for the next two seasons.

You're right. Cashman went hard after him which seemed like the right thing to do at the time. Afterall, Theo wanted Pavano just as badly and even offered him more than the Yanks did.

As for Nelson, he can barely find the plate anymore.

38Special
01-15-06, 12:04 PM
You're right. Cashman went hard after him which seemed like the right thing to do at the time. Afterall, Theo wanted Pavano just as badly and even offered him more than the Yanks did.

As for Nelson, he can barely find the plate anymore.
He couldnt find the plate even when he dominated with us. The question is whether or not he will miss bats

longtimeyankeefan
01-15-06, 01:01 PM
I really think its just a trait of Cashman and/or this organization. They seem to like to turn towards players they've had success with in the past. In comes up situations where they need to fill roles, like with Cairo this year or Stanton last, but I think it occurs much more with minor league deals and spring training invites. Every year you read of guys getting minor league deals or tryouts with the Yanks who more than likely have no shot of making the team. Strange names like Homer Bush being invited to camp. Or Joe Girardi. I just think its a comfort place for this organization. Sometimes it works out, like with El Duque in '04. Most of the times its just a nonfactor like the deal with Mendoza.


It is a trait of the organization, but its not about catching lightning in a bottle, at least IMO.

The Yankees generously offer minor league contracts with spring training invites to former players who are undecided about "is it time to go". Getting to spring training is the first step for many of these players to show they can still play the game. Generally, the contracts they sign include clauses that require the Yankees to release them if they don't make the 25-man roster, at least by a certain date.

Assume, for a moment, that Nellie comes to spring training and shows he still has something, but not enough to crack the Yankees bullpen. Other teams will be looking to upgrade their bullpen.

Its about visibility, IMO.

ShaneTravis
01-15-06, 01:32 PM
An argument for Nellie.

2005
28 total innings

Vs. Righties
Era 1.91
Opp Avg. .196
Struck out 27
Issued 16 Walks
Opp Slg. .247
Opp. Obp .319

Vs. Lefties
Era 10.80
Opp Avg. .342

A minor leaque deal is worthy of that. I still hold the belief that the Yanks are going to move a couple of pitchers before ST. There is no room for him on the roster.

Dooley Womack
01-15-06, 03:07 PM
He couldnt find the plate even when he dominated with us. The question is whether or not he will miss bats

This is true.

Yankyfan
01-16-06, 01:44 PM
As per ESPN Nellie has signed with the Cards for a 1 year 800,000 deal. Oh well... :mad:http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2294346

JeffWeaverFan
01-16-06, 01:52 PM
As per ESPN Nellie has signed with the Cards for a 1 year 800,000 deal. Oh well... :mad:http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2294346
I'm not upset by this. I don't think Nelson has much left, and his walks, like FRod's, would have infuriated us I'm sure.

Yankyfan
01-16-06, 01:55 PM
I think if used with Myers in a R/L roll they could have eaten an inning a game but that would taken up another roster spot for sure.

RhodyYanksFan
01-16-06, 02:07 PM
I'm sure this has been said in the thread already, but he lives in Seattle full time, and I believe he retired last year to spend time with his family. Playing on an east coast team will not work for him.

38Special
01-16-06, 02:11 PM
I'm sure this has been said in the thread already, but he lives in Seattle full time, and I believe he retired last year to spend time with his family. Playing on an east coast team will not work for him.

And he signs with St Louis, so i guess that point is moot

shutout
01-16-06, 02:15 PM
Hmm I thought I'd be the first one to put this story on here... ahwell: indeed he signed with the Cards.


Not a bad sign at all IMHO: it's a minor league deal, so no worries.

The Yankees could, imo, use this singing as well. Ahwell...

ShaneTravis
01-16-06, 02:16 PM
Veteran reliever Jeff Nelson has agreed to terms with the St. Louis Cardinals on a minor-league contract that will pay him $800,000 if he makes the big-league club out of spring training, a baseball source told ESPN.com. Incentives could push the deal to more than $1 million.

That's not at all bad from the St. Louis Cards point of view.

Ohh well, good luck Jeff.

Lock this puppy up. lol

Pakalolo
01-17-06, 11:53 AM
looks like another season of mo then a very mediocre bullpen

baez and lance carter would have been nice additions

The FUTURE
01-17-06, 01:35 PM
looks like another season of mo then a very mediocre bullpen

baez and lance carter would have been nice additions

WHAT!?!?!?!?!?!


You would rather have Baez and LANCE FREAKING CARTER over Farnsworth, Dotel, Myers and Villone ??

Actually I think our bullpen is the 2nd best in the Major Leagues, closely behind LAA's bullpen. (Rodriguez aka Mo Jr., Shields, Donnelly, Romero, Yan, Bootcheck, Saunders, Shell)---Nasty


Whatever your smokin, send some over here PLEASE.

DiMaggio5CF
01-17-06, 04:03 PM
WHAT!?!?!?!?!?!


You would rather have Baez and LANCE FREAKING CARTER over Farnsworth, Dotel, Myers and Villone ??

I'll take Baez over Farnsworth and Villone. If Dotel isn't healthy, then obviously many people would better than him. I love Myers for what he does, but if you make me choose one in a vacuum, I'll take Baez. But Myers does have tremendous value.

You can keep Carter.

JeffWeaverFan
01-17-06, 04:21 PM
I'll take Baez over Farnsworth and Villone. If Dotel isn't healthy, then obviously many people would better than him. I love Myers for what he does, but if you make me choose one in a vacuum, I'll take Baez. But Myers does have tremendous value.

You can keep Carter.
I see no reason why one would want Baez over Farnsworth. I would definitely take him over Villone though. But, to me, Baez and Farnsworth are not close in terms of talent.

Our bullpen is very good and is filled with guys that make the bats miss.

The FUTURE
01-17-06, 09:00 PM
I was talking about them more as a group, not as individuals. Of course I would take Baez over Villone. I meant I would rather have Farnsworth,Dotel,Myers and Villone as a group over Baez and Carter

JeffWeaverFan
01-17-06, 09:30 PM
I was talking about them more as a group, not as individuals. Of course I would take Baez over Villone. I meant I would rather have Farnsworth,Dotel,Myers and Villone as a group over Baez and Carter
Yeah, I got that and completely agree. I don't think it's close.

drjeckyl
01-18-06, 09:13 AM
We'll, we can end the suspense.... it says here (http://www.nj.com/yankees/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1137479786150210.xml&coll=1) in the ledger that Nelson has signed a minor league contract with the Cards...



Cardinals: Relief pitcher Jeff Nelson agreed to a minor-league contract with St. Louis, which needs a middle man to replace injured Al Reyes.

The 39-year-old Nelson went 1-3 with a 3.93 ERA and one save in 49 games last season for the Seattle Mariners. The right-hander has spent 14 years in the major leagues, including two stints with the Yankees, who also had expressed interest.

"He's got everything going in as far as experience, a lot of success in key situations," Cardinals manager Tony La Russa said. "It's just a matter, like any of us, it's 2006 and he's got to show what he's got."

effdamets
01-18-06, 09:27 AM
We'll, we can end the suspense.... it says here (http://www.nj.com/yankees/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1137479786150210.xml&coll=1) in the ledger that Nelson has signed a minor league contract with the Cards...
Thank heavens that is over... Can we close this thread now?

Jeff Nelson = train wreck

ShaneTravis
03-27-06, 09:21 AM
Do we revisit this discussion?

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060326&content_id=1363406&vkey=spt2006news&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

Nelson surprised by release
Reliever felt he had done enough to make team this spring


Nelson was told that he was being released. Nelson, 39, pitched well this spring, but not well enough in the club's eyes to justify guaranteeing the $800,000 salary he would have received on the Major League roster.

Nelson struggled in a two-inning stint in a Minor League game recently, but in big-league games this spring, he permitted one hit and three walks in 5 2/3 shutout innings. He struck out seven.

puckmaster87
03-27-06, 02:27 PM
Do we revisit this discussion?

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060326&content_id=1363406&vkey=spt2006news&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

Nelson surprised by release
Reliever felt he had done enough to make team this spring

I don't see how a right-handed specialist would fit on this team now. Although the tandem of Nelson and Myers would be interesting, there are already enough guys in the pen who can get right handers out.

nyg02005
03-27-06, 03:09 PM
If healthy we have 7 starters and 5 relievers (aside from dotel)already. Not to mentioned those player who will be in the minors (de salvo, Matt smith, Cox).

shroud
03-27-06, 06:46 PM
I don't see how a right-handed specialist would fit on this team now. Although the tandem of Nelson and Myers would be interesting, there are already enough guys in the pen who can get right handers out.

If you're looking for a cheap ROOGY might as well give Colter Bean a shot... He's a right handed clone of myers... throws junk, gets righties out on a tricky delivery, gets tattooed by lefties.

Stupid Flanders
03-27-06, 07:02 PM
Do we revisit this discussion?

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060326&content_id=1363406&vkey=spt2006news&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

Nelson surprised by release
Reliever felt he had done enough to make team this spring
why? he's 39 years old and not nearly the pitcher he us4ed to be, we already have a glut of veterans in the pen and have 4 quality replacements in Bean, Beam, Cox and Smith ready to step in.

Good Lord why do you want Nelson

ShaneTravis
03-27-06, 07:13 PM
Good Lord why do you want Nelson

How in the world did you get that from--

"Do we revisit this discussion"?

He was released, this was the last thread on the topic of Nelson, and I updated it.

No need to bring the Lord into this. lol

Stupid Flanders
03-28-06, 04:03 AM
How in the world did you get that from--

"Do we revisit this discussion"?

He was released, this was the last thread on the topic of Nelson, and I updated it.

No need to bring the Lord into this. lolok then, to answer your question, there is even less of a reason to discuss this now than there was in January

effdamets
03-28-06, 09:07 AM
Do we revisit this discussion?

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060326&content_id=1363406&vkey=spt2006news&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

Nelson surprised by release
Reliever felt he had done enough to make team this spring
PUH-LEEZE.....