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StatenIslandYankee
12-01-05, 11:37 PM
What about Dotel? Thoughts?

Yankee Bulldawg
12-01-05, 11:39 PM
as a setup guy or a reliever?

nyg02005
12-01-05, 11:39 PM
dotel did not mentioned the yankees as one of the teams that talked to him/agents.

BJG
12-01-05, 11:40 PM
By his own admission, he won't be pitching until midsummer.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2243810

You can sign him and hope that he contributes something in 2006, but it seems highly unlikely. You certainly can't sign him to a key role.

sugmasterflex
12-01-05, 11:41 PM
I would be disappointed if the Yanks didn't make a run at Dotel...

NewEraYanks2527
12-01-05, 11:42 PM
Even with the injury I would still make him a decent offer. He could be really valuable, especially back in a setup role.

ring403
12-01-05, 11:43 PM
He's looking for a 1 year, incentive-laden contract. He's a guy you take a flyer on, not count on to be a significant part of the pen.

nyg02005
12-01-05, 11:43 PM
they have a history of not offering a contract to injured reliever like in the case of sauerbeck.

jimmykey2
12-01-05, 11:45 PM
Ahhhh.... Dotel

The same guy who gave up GW HRs on back to back days in Fenway this season?

NO THANKS!

BJG
12-01-05, 11:47 PM
Ahhhh.... Dotel

The same guy who gave up GW HRs on back to back days in Fenway this season?

NO THANKS!

Yeah, that torn ligament in his elbow had nothing to do with that.

nyg02005
12-01-05, 11:48 PM
Ahhhh.... Dotel

The same guy who gave up GW HRs on back to back days in Fenway this season?

NO THANKS!

I am looking at the dotel who was very good setting up for wagner. Maybe he is not closer material.

StatenIslandYankee
12-01-05, 11:49 PM
He's looking for a 1 year, incentive-laden contract. He's a guy you take a flyer on, not count on to be a significant part of the pen.
That's what I mean

Steph19
12-01-05, 11:49 PM
I wouldn't mind Dotel. I wonder if they'd try to reel him in with a 2-year Lieberesque deal.

jimmykey2
12-01-05, 11:50 PM
Yeah, that torn ligament in his elbow had nothing to do with that.


Since when do we give guys injury breaks?

I don't see too many people giving Carl Pavano a break because he gave up more hits than anyone in the Majors with a bum shoulder.

Besides, he wasn't too good the year before in Oakland.

dabomb2045
12-01-05, 11:51 PM
Dotel wouldnt be much of a factor next season anyways, he isnt slated to return until July at the absolute earliest...if we sign him, it would be more for 2007

nyg02005
12-01-05, 11:52 PM
I wouldn't mind Dotel. I wonder if they'd try to reel him in with a 2-year Lieberesque deal.

they did not do it with sauerbeck, that is why sauerbeck signed with the indians.

jackson_23
12-01-05, 11:53 PM
Since when do we give guys injury breaks?

I don't see too many people giving Carl Pavano a break because he gave up more hits than anyone in the Majors with a bum shoulder.

Besides, he wasn't too good the year before in Oakland.
im soo glad you having nothing to do with signing players :uhh:

George Steinbrenner
12-02-05, 12:02 AM
IF HE CAN COME BACK AND PITCH MID SEASON OR IN 07 WE GOTTA MAKE THIS DEAL.

Give him 2 years (W/ BIG INCENTIVES)! I can recall a similar move to this paying off for us (ahem JON LIEBER a few years ago!),I want atleast 2 dominant relievers to be comfortable. I like the Farnsworth signing but we lost out on the best leftfy relievers available BJ Ryan and Billy Wagner and we just lost Gordon to Philly. To me the bullpen is still a big weakness and a guy with the stuff Dotel had should NOT be overlooked.The risk reward is worth the gamble - we can afford it.

jimmykey2
12-02-05, 12:08 AM
IF HE CAN COME BACK AND PITCH MID SEASON OR IN 07 WE GOTTA MAKE THIS DEAL.

Give him 2 years (W/ BIG INCENTIVES)! I can recall a similar move to this paying off for us (ahem JON LIEBER a few years ago!),I want atleast 2 dominant relievers to be comfortable. I like the Farnsworth signing but we lost out on the best leftfy relievers available BJ Ryan and Billy Wagner and we just lost Gordon to Philly. To me the bullpen is still a big weakness and a guy with the stuff Dotel had should NOT be overlooked.The risk reward is worth the gamble - we can afford it.


Can we stop comparing this to Jon Leiber?

Leiber won 20 games 2 years before we signed him and actually had a lower ERA the next season at the time he got hurt.

Dotel, OTOH, was bad 2 years ago and was bad this year.

I can understand people wanting to take a flyer on him, but I don't have high expectations that a guy who couldn't close games AT ALL will be able to set up Mo in NY.

Kulish29
12-02-05, 12:08 AM
Will they? Who knows. Should they? Absolutley.

Shaun4013
12-02-05, 12:10 AM
It's worth the chance.

brosiusbuddy
12-02-05, 12:16 AM
I wouldn't hand over too much money to a guy with a bum arm, but if we can sign him to a 1 year deal with incentives, he could be like making a deadline move without really making one. It'd be nice to have him come in in June or July and give a rest to a guy like Sturtze or Farnsworth every once in a while. Hell, he could turn out to be as good as he's capable of and who knows... if all things were to go as hoped for, we could have a Dotel, Farnsworth, Rivera combo with guys like Sturtze and Proctor or Small to work the middle innings. Thats a well rounded pen to me. Add a loogy like Myers and you're in serious business.

I say make an offer.

StatenIslandYankee
12-02-05, 12:23 AM
It can't hurt right?

George Steinbrenner
12-02-05, 12:27 AM
Can we stop comparing this to Jon Leiber?

Leiber won 20 games 2 years before we signed him and actually had a lower ERA the next season at the time he got hurt.

Dotel, OTOH, was bad 2 years ago and was bad this year.

I can understand people wanting to take a flyer on him, but I don't have high expectations that a guy who couldn't close games AT ALL will be able to set up Mo in NY.

well jimmy like i said its a gamble we can afford to take. The guy was a dominant setup man in Houston for a few years. Its worth overspending a bit (if theres alotta competition) because of the reward if hes healthy. If not we played the play 3 lotto and lost its ok-- IM RICH,BE-ACH! HONK HONK!!

George Steinbrenner
12-02-05, 12:29 AM
One night I was watching a quiz show on TV and the question was, 'Name a baseball team synonymous with winning.' One girl said, 'Dodgers.' The other girl said, 'Giants.' That made me madder than hell. I kept saying, 'Yankees, you dummies.' And of course the answer was the Yankees." - Manager Billy Martin

love that sig brosius

vin777b
12-02-05, 01:23 AM
save your breath everyone. Signing Dotel is smart. And Cashman is not listening.

StatenIslandYankee
12-02-05, 01:23 AM
save your breath everyone. Signing Dotel is smart. And Cashman is not listening.
Right, because Cashman is a moron :P

puckmaster87
12-02-05, 01:30 AM
save your breath everyone. Signing Dotel is smart. And Cashman is not listening.

He'll be Steve Karsay all over again.

nyyanksfan20
12-02-05, 02:02 AM
Yes Farnsworth first and then Dotel or some other guy for the 7th.

Kulish29
12-02-05, 02:06 AM
He'll be Steve Karsay all over again.

How do you figure? He'd sign a semi-small, incentive laden contract. It's a low risk, high reward signing.

George Steinbrenner
12-02-05, 02:13 AM
How do you figure? He'd sign a semi-small, incentive laden contract. It's a low risk, high reward signing.

bingo was his name-o ...sign him to a 2 year deak low base salary with big incentives for stats similar to his Houston days its worth the risk.

Yankee Clipper
12-02-05, 02:39 AM
How do you figure? He'd sign a semi-small, incentive laden contract. It's a low risk, high reward signing.

See it really isn't a low risk because all of us are assuming he'll be back in mid season/late season. But with Leiber, we gave him an entire season off because he needed it and we had the starting pitching to carry us through the 2003 season, without rushing him. But, our bulpen doesn't have that depth and we'll be forced to rush him if one guy goes down/one guy doesn't pitch well. He'd need an entire year off and then come back, but the fact is we need bullpen help now.

BRNXBMRS
12-02-05, 09:32 AM
If he can be had for incentives, it would be a no brainer. If he is coming back in July and he works out the Yanks pen would be that much deeper for the stretch. If not see ya.

ppa79
12-02-05, 09:33 AM
I would be all for giving him a Lieber type deal.

gdn
12-02-05, 09:40 AM
I wouldn't mind this. He does have the potential to be a decent set-up guy, so an incentive laden contract would not be foolish.

StatenIslandYankee
12-02-05, 10:14 AM
If he can be had for incentives, it would be a no brainer. If he is coming back in July and he works out the Yanks pen would be that much deeper for the stretch. If not see ya.
Well nobody is going to give him a deal that isn't.

mbn007
12-02-05, 10:20 AM
2 year deal, with an option for a 3rd season. Low base for 2 years, with high incentive bonus' based on games on the roster, innings, etc. In other words, easily attainable, if he's healthy.

The 3rd season option should be for major dollars, but a team option. If he's back, Yankees will exercise it. If not, let him go.

YankClipper5
12-02-05, 10:47 AM
I think he has a decent upside. I say offer him a 2 year deal and load it with a ton of appearance incentives with perhaps a club option or an option triggered by appearance totals or something. He may step up and be an awesome setup man and coming in mid summer when the pen needs an fresh arm would be nice.

Mr. Mxylsplk
12-02-05, 11:13 AM
I think he has a decent upside. I say offer him a 2 year deal and load it with a ton of appearance incentives with perhaps a club option or an option triggered by appearance totals or something. He may step up and be an awesome setup man and coming in mid summer when the pen needs an fresh arm would be nice.
I agree. There's obviously a decent likelihood he'll never be effective again. But TJ surgery has brought a lot of guys back in good shape, and he was very good, at least as a set-up guy, before he got hurt. I wouldn't want to bring him in as a closer, but for a role other than that, I think he's worth some money,

DontHateOnNumber2
12-02-05, 11:15 AM
I hope we don't go after him, unless he has an incentive-laden contract, which I'm sure he won't be able to fulfill. If we get him he'll be another Felix Rodriguez. A pitcher we think will do well, but ends up sucking thus resulting us in seeing him in 6 appearances for the entire season.

Mark19
12-02-05, 11:52 AM
Huge question mark


I read an article saying that Dotel is being overly optimistic and he might not be in pitching condition until midseason.

YankClipper5
12-02-05, 12:06 PM
I agree. There's obviously a decent likelihood he'll never be effective again. But TJ surgery has brought a lot of guys back in good shape, and he was very good, at least as a set-up guy, before he got hurt. I wouldn't want to bring him in as a closer, but for a role other than that, I think he's worth some money,

It's a good thing we have no need for a closer. My hope is that if we stack the bullpen with a solid setup guy (looks like Farnsworth) and a lefty specialist (heard Myers was close to signing) and get a few guys who can handle 6-8th duty (Tavarez, Rincon, or both), that adding Sturtze, Small and Wright to the mix, their won't be a demand for Dotel to be a horse and shut down everyone all the time and at the same time we won't have an overworked pen heading into the post season.

RhodeyYankee2638
12-02-05, 02:39 PM
From CNNsi


It's a strategy the Yankees have used to great effectiveness, signing an injured pitcher and rehabbing him for as long as it takes to get healthy. And now the Mets, a team with the financial wherewithal to absorb the risk that comes with investing in an injured player -- appear to be considering a similar approach with right-handed reliever Octavio Dotel. Dotel told a newspaper in the Dominican Republic that the Mets are one of five teams who have expressed an interest in him even though he won't be able to pitch until at least midseason.


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/scorecard/12/02/truth.rumors.mlb/index.html

gold23
12-02-05, 02:51 PM
Please stop with the Lieber comparisons. It's so far off the mark....

Lieber was and is a finesse pitcher. Velocity has very little to do with his success- he can win at 87 or 91- and has at both. He's a control and sinkerball pitcher. It took him a year and a half to rebound from a very different type of surgery. No comparison.

Dotel is a pitcher who relies almost exclusively on his velocity. His fastball is pretty straight- he needs to be mid to high 90's to be effective. I seriously doubt he gets there next year....

Plus, he struggled mightily in the AL. Blowing saves all over the place, to the point where he essentially lost his closers job as he was blowing out his elbow. Beane was offering him around, and supposedly nobody was biting.

Does he have a decent arm? Sure does. But question marks abound, and you'd need to sit with him for a full year to find out what he has. I imagine the Yanks woudl have interest at that level.....but if someone wants to go out and guarantee him $, I let them do it.

Sierra Mist
12-02-05, 11:27 PM
no he cracks under pressure, and I have never met a man named Octavio that I could trust.

AMYanks
12-02-05, 11:35 PM
I would sign him to an incentive-laden deal. If he comes back and struggles, it's not that big of a problem. But if he comes back, and pitches like he did in Houston, then we have a big time weapon from the pen.

ring403
12-03-05, 09:12 AM
See it really isn't a low risk because all of us are assuming he'll be back in mid season/late season. But with Leiber, we gave him an entire season off because he needed it and we had the starting pitching to carry us through the 2003 season, without rushing him. But, our bulpen doesn't have that depth and we'll be forced to rush him if one guy goes down/one guy doesn't pitch well. He'd need an entire year off and then come back, but the fact is we need bullpen help now.
I'm not assuming he'll be back this season. If the Yankees look at him, it will be another situation like Lieber's, where they are not counting on him at all for 2006.
It doesn't sound like Dotel is anxious to rush back and jeopardize his career either:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/3500028.html
Dotel, 32, underwent Tommy John surgery in June and likely won't be able to pitch again until the middle of next season. He went 1-2 with seven saves and a 3.52 ERA in 15 games this year for Oakland, which replaced him with eventual American League Rookie of the Year Huston Street as its closer.

"The recovery process will take at least a year," Dotel said in Thursday's edition of the Dominican Republic newspaper La Caribe, "and I don't want to do anything to interrupt it."

ring403
12-07-05, 11:23 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/08/sports/baseball/08yankees.html
The Yankees have spoken with the agent for reliever Octavio Dotel - as have the Mets - but they are unsure about Dotel's elbow, which was surgically repaired in June. Dotel, who pitched for Oakland last season, expects to be ready in April, though that would be an aggressive timetable for recovery from Tommy John surgery.

vegematarian
12-09-05, 09:58 AM
Ahhhh.... Dotel

The same guy who gave up GW HRs on back to back days in Fenway this season?

NO THANKS!

Remember when Mo blew a game? Ughh. I don't want Mo either because no one is supposed to blow a game.

Kulish29
12-09-05, 09:59 AM
Get on this Cash.

Jaeho
12-11-05, 06:01 AM
Not much to go on, but from Jon Heyman in the Sunday paper.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/columnists/ny-spflash114548899dec11,0,495692.column?coll=ny-sports-columnists


The Yankees also are eyeing former Met Octavio Dotel.

JeterRodriguezSheff
12-11-05, 12:15 PM
Since when do we give guys injury breaks?

I don't see too many people giving Carl Pavano a break because he gave up more hits than anyone in the Majors with a bum shoulder.

Besides, he wasn't too good the year before in Oakland.

because with the exception of one career year Pavano has always been a bad pitcher

NewEraYanks2527
12-11-05, 01:07 PM
It would nice to have Dotel rehabbing in pinstripes, he could really be a valuable weapon when he recovers. Remember the year after the recovery from the surgery, next year not this year, would be when he is strongest and could be stronger than he was before.

NYDCYankee
12-12-05, 02:55 AM
http://www.nypost.com/sports/mets/58690.htm

Dotel has 11 offers.

NYDCYankee
12-16-05, 02:02 AM
The Yankees -- who earlier signed Kyle Farnsworth to a three-year, $17 million deal -- are not done adding to their bullpen. They are most interested in right-hander Octavio Dotel, who is coming off June reconstructive elbow surgery but has wide interest, with Julian Tavarez and Rick White also in the picture.


http://www.nj.com/yankees/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1134714847155690.xml&coll=1&thispage=1

I think our number one bullpen target at this point is Dotel

parkerstrong
12-16-05, 10:12 AM
I would love to sign Dotel. He would be a low-risk, high-reward type of guy. He reminds me of Lieber or Wade Miller....except I am hoping he doesnt suck like Miller did.

NewEraYanks2527
12-16-05, 10:17 AM
Has there been any news on Dotel?

vin777b
12-16-05, 12:34 PM
http://www.nj.com/yankees/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1134714847155690.xml&coll=1&thispage=1

I think our number one bullpen target at this point is Dotel



completely agree. I'd go as so far to say, #1 target, period.

mhmajp
12-16-05, 12:53 PM
they have a history of not offering a contract to injured reliever like in the case of sauerbeck.

and like Lieber! ;)

gold23
12-16-05, 01:19 PM
Remember when Mo blew a game? Ughh. I don't want Mo either because no one is supposed to blow a game.


The problem with this argument is that Mo has excelled in every single environment he's ever been in. Dotel has excelled as a low-pressure setup man in Houston and briefly as their closer.

He has not pitched well in the AL. He was poor after he came over, and he was inconsistent last year before the injury. He had a fabulous arm, but he was at best a mid-level AL closer.

Now.....I can't imagine him being overly effective next year. Serious elbow surgery. If he is in the low 90's, he doesn't have the movement or the quality/command of other pitches in his repertoire to be successful. He needs to throw gas.

Could he be helpful down the road? Of course. But he's a gamble either way, and I wouldn't spend serious $ to sign him. If another team wants to take that chance, more than welcome.

Tal Smith was talking to several people at the Baseball America gala in Houston, and when he was asked about Dotel he specifically mentioned that he should go somewhere that isn't going to scrutinize him.

RhodeyYankee2638
12-16-05, 01:21 PM
The problem with this argument is that Mo has excelled in every single environment he's ever been in. Dotel has excelled as a low-pressure setup man in Houston and briefly as their closer.

He has not pitched well in the AL. He was poor after he came over, and he was inconsistent last year before the injury. He had a fabulous arm, but he was at best a mid-level AL closer.

Now.....I can't imagine him being overly effective next year. Serious elbow surgery. If he is in the low 90's, he doesn't have the movement or the quality/command of other pitches in his repertoire to be successful. He needs to throw gas.

Could he be helpful down the road? Of course. But he's a gamble either way, and I wouldn't spend serious $ to sign him. If another team wants to take that chance, more than welcome.

Tal Smith was talking to several people at the Baseball America gala in Houston, and when he was asked about Dotel he specifically mentioned that he should go somewhere that isn't going to scrutinize him.

I agree with your post. But, the fact is, we are going to need quality relievers in the regular season, so Farnsworth and Mo don't get overworked The goal is to give Farnsworth and Mo enough rest so they can go 1-2 innings in the playoffs.

gold23
12-16-05, 01:25 PM
I agree with your post. But, the fact is, we are going to need quality relievers in the regular season, so Farnsworth and Mo don't get overworked The goal is to give Farnsworth and Mo enough rest so they can go 1-2 innings in the playoffs.

I agree. But Dotel is likely not going to be "Dotel" until at least '07. And setbacks from this surgery are not only possibilities, but somewhat common. He could never throw a pitch in '06.

I don't like Tavarez that much, but I would prefer the Yanks sign him to Dotel.

RhodeyYankee2638
12-16-05, 01:31 PM
I agree. But Dotel is likely not going to be "Dotel" until at least '07. And setbacks from this surgery are not only possibilities, but somewhat common. He could never throw a pitch in '06.

I don't like Tavarez that much, but I would prefer the Yanks sign him to Dotel.

Which is why a Lieber like deal to Dotel would be fine. Tavarez is an ass, but theres not much left on the market

gold23
12-16-05, 02:06 PM
Which is why a Lieber like deal to Dotel would be fine. Tavarez is an ass, but theres not much left on the market


I agree, but if there are really 11 clubs interested I certainly wouldn't walk into a bidding war.

As for the Lieber comparisons....it can only be based on the $. Lieber was a totally different pitcher, one who you could reasonably expect to bounce back once he recovered. Dotel is going to need his full velocity back- something that TJ for a shoulder certainly allows, but with elbows it is a bit more tricky.

Prickly Pete
12-16-05, 02:21 PM
Dotel is going to need his full velocity back- something that TJ for a shoulder certainly allows, but with elbows it is a bit more tricky.
Tommy John surgery refers specifically to the replacement of an elbow ligament. There's no such thing as "TJ for a shoulder." As far as recovery goes, TJ surgery has a far better track record than almost any kind of shoulder surgery. It's no longer considered especially risky. It takes time, but most pitchers regain their velocity after TJ.

gold23
12-16-05, 02:46 PM
Tommy John surgery refers specifically to the replacement of an elbow ligament. There's no such thing as "TJ for a shoulder." As far as recovery goes, TJ surgery has a far better track record than almost any kind of shoulder surgery. It's no longer considered especially risky. It takes time, but most pitchers regain their velocity after TJ.


This is correct. I jumbled the TJ in my post. However, the type of surgery Dotel had (and many pitchers have) is considered about 75% fully successful. Velocity is generally regained, but in many cases the snap of breaking pitches is not as sharp. A recent example is Kerry Wood. It generally works, but it takes 18 months on average. Which is my argument against Dotel. If he's pitching next year, it will likely not be as a flame thrower.

ring403
12-18-05, 08:10 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/story/375626p-319213c.html
The Mets and Yankees figure to clash in pursuit of ex-Met reliever Octavio Dotel, who might be a gamble because he is recovering from Tommy John surgery and won't be ready to pitch until next summer.

But the Mets, who signed Dotel as an amateur free agent in 1993 and had high hopes for him after a solid rookie season in 1999, reportedly were one of the teams watching last week when Dotel worked out for interested clubs in the Dominican Republic. The Red Sox were also there, according to a report in the Boston Herald, and it is likely the Yankees were, too.

Yankees13
12-18-05, 08:18 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/story/375626p-319213c.html
If the Yankees, Mets, and Red Sox are all interested in him it's gonna get quite interesting.

yankeebot
12-18-05, 09:34 AM
If the Yankees, Mets, and Red Sox are all interested in him it's gonna get quite interesting.Maybe interesting for Mets and Sox fans but given how the off-season has gone so far, I cannot see the Yankees getting involved in a bidding war over Dotel.

indianyanksfan
12-18-05, 09:39 AM
what happened to getting seanez?

Yankees13
12-18-05, 09:42 AM
Maybe interesting for Mets and Sox fans but given how the off-season has gone so far, I cannot see the Yankees getting involved in a bidding war over Dotel.
I don't envision a bidding war for him, I think it'll be whoever is willing to gamble and who he wants to play for.

indianyanksfan
12-18-05, 09:46 AM
sorry but i'm sort of lost. when is dotel expected to come back and how is his rehab going?

BJG
12-18-05, 09:54 AM
sorry but i'm sort of lost. when is dotel expected to come back and how is his rehab going?

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2243810

Midsummer. Maybe.

guidry36
12-18-05, 10:28 AM
Tavarez is said to be asking for 4 years $20 mil. Pass. I'm for signing Dotel, who shouldn't be viewed as anything other than a trade-deadline move. He would likely be ready by August, which would give the Yankees a chance to sort the bullpen out. It would benefit Dotel to not use him in back-to-back games. He could still help take some of the load from Farnsworth/Rivera later in the year. He shouldn't be pushed until 2007.

Yankyfan
12-18-05, 01:20 PM
I think this is a strong statement but I think Dotel is a must sign as insurance at this point.If he is ready by May he could come in real handy.

RhodeyYankee2638
12-18-05, 01:21 PM
Tavarez is said to be asking for 4 years $20 mil. Pass. I'm for signing Dotel, who shouldn't be viewed as anything other than a trade-deadline move. He would likely be ready by August, which would give the Yankees a chance to sort the bullpen out. It would benefit Dotel to not use him in back-to-back games. He could still help take some of the load from Farnsworth/Rivera later in the year. He shouldn't be pushed until 2007.

4/20 is awful. Maybe 3/14, not 4 years though.

ComeBackShane47
12-18-05, 01:24 PM
Why not give him a one year deal filled with incentives, with an option for a second year at a high salary of like $5 million or so with a buy out at a decent price for Dotel. It would be the best offer he has and worst case he isnt healthy or sucks and its only a one year commitment with such little cash that its not a problem to eat or best case he is solid and the Yanks have him locked up for the next year at a very reasonable price.

YankeePride1967
12-18-05, 01:47 PM
As long as Tavarez is in the 4/20 range, I close that door and grab Dotel. I think a Lieber type deal would work.

BJG
12-18-05, 01:57 PM
4/20 is awful. Maybe 3/14, not 4 years though.

Anything more than 2 years for a middle of the pack 32 year old middle reliever is pushing it.

guidry36
12-18-05, 02:08 PM
4/20 is awful. Maybe 3/14, not 4 years though.
We shouldn't sign anyone for more than 2 years. Cox will be ready by 2008.....if not at some point in 2007. Tavarez has been good for the most part the past few years, but doesn't deserve anything over $3 to $3.5 mil. a year.

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I like this idea a lot better. A 2 year deal for a hard thrower like Dotel would work well. Short of making a trade, we currently have 8 relievers. Dotel looks to be back by august....the perfect time to add another reliever.

BJG
12-18-05, 02:11 PM
Why not give him a one year deal filled with incentives, with an option for a second year at a high salary of like $5 million or so with a buy out at a decent price for Dotel. It would be the best offer he has and worst case he isnt healthy or sucks and its only a one year commitment with such little cash that its not a problem to eat or best case he is solid and the Yanks have him locked up for the next year at a very reasonable price.

I think you are assuming a lot to say that's the best offer he gets. I'd imagine that that is basically what is on the table from multiple teams.

guidry36
12-18-05, 02:23 PM
Having 8 relievers could work against us at this point. THANKFULLY, Roberto Hernandez didn't want to come here because we already had Rivera, Farnsworth, and Sturtze. Doesn't Dotel have 11 teams interested in him?? Just like Damon, he has to be looking forward to a bidding war with the red sox and Yankees. What are the odds that Sturtze/Proctor could get someone like Jason Michaels (or Sturtze+ a lesser prospect than Henn)? A lot remains to play out in the bullpen.

guidry36
12-18-05, 02:40 PM
Just throwing a name out there......out of curiosity, does anyone know Mantei's physical status?? Is he done?
Back to Dotel/Tavarez, the Yankees will be loaded at AAA with relievers, so I don't think we have to add another reliever.....but if we did, I would prefer a flame-thrower like Dotel.

JeffWeaverFan
12-18-05, 02:50 PM
Having 8 relievers could work against us at this point.
There's no "could" about it. It would work against us. I think having 7 would work against us. We all know how Torre uses the pen. He has a few favorites and he uses those guys in every game while the others rot on the bench.

As of now we have Mo, Farnsworth, Sturtze, Myers, Ron Villone, Small, and Wright in pen. We should either get rid of a starter so that Wright moves to the rotation or get rid of a reliever. Saying that, Dotel is a guy that probably wouldn't be ready until mid season, so I would like to sign him and put him on the team when he's ready.

AMYanks
12-18-05, 03:12 PM
Dotel should be a must sign, at all costs. He's not going to be expensive, even if there is a bidding war.

JeffWeaverFan
12-18-05, 05:38 PM
Dotel has cut his list down to 4 teams and both the Yanks and Mets are on it.

yankeebot
12-18-05, 05:41 PM
Dotel has cut his list down to 4 teams and both the Yanks and Mets are on it.
Any idea who the other 2 are?

JeffWeaverFan
12-18-05, 05:43 PM
Any idea who the other 2 are?
Nope. That's all I heard.

ComeBackShane47
12-18-05, 06:26 PM
I think you are assuming a lot to say that's the best offer he gets. I'd imagine that that is basically what is on the table from multiple teams.


I cant imagine a lot of teams offering as much gaurenteed money as the Yanks could and would, with the exception of the Mets. But I also think that a guy who wants to revive his career has no better palce to do so than on the Yankees.

JavyVazquezIsSick
12-18-05, 06:32 PM
Dotel has cut his list down to 4 teams and both the Yanks and Mets are on it.

How do you know this?

Zimmers' Helmet
12-18-05, 07:09 PM
Dotel has cut his list down to 4 teams and both the Yanks and Mets are on it.

Do you have a link or any kind of source?

JeffWeaverFan
12-18-05, 08:27 PM
I know a Yankee beat reporter and he told me. I'm sure it will be in tomorrow's paper.

Tifoso
12-18-05, 08:33 PM
I know a Yankee beat reporter and he told me. I'm sure it will be in tomorrow's paper.


Now that is interesting. Low stress (ie, non closer) in both situation.

Mets: advantage of switching leagues

Yanks: advantage, well, they're the Yanks

6th inning: Sturtze, Villone, Myers
7th Dotel
8th Farnsie
9th Mo

I could live with that. :)

Javadawg44
12-18-05, 09:37 PM
He won't be ready until the all-star break, according to reports, but he would be one hell of an acquisition for us if we could do it.

Mark19
12-19-05, 12:20 AM
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spyanks19,0,2874733.story?coll=ny-sports-headlines


The Yankees have been looking for one more righthander for their bullpen and recently focused on former A's closer Dotel, who had Tommy John surgery last June. The Mets -- with whom Dotel began his major league career in 1999, starting 14 games and going 8-3 -- are interested in Dotel as Billy Wagner's primary setup man.

Horwits said Dotel, 32, has rebounded as well as possible in his rehab, throwing every Monday, Wednesday and Friday in the Dominican Republic. Dotel has made several trips to Alabama to visit his surgeon, Dr. James Andrews, who has not ruled out pitching by Opening Day, Horwits said. A more likely timetable is late April.

Dotel, who wants a one-year deal loaded with incentives, has spoken directly with general manager Brian Cashman and officials from other teams, Horwits said, to learn how each team views his timetable and envisions his role in the bullpen.

The Yankees, with righthanders Kyle Farnsworth and Tanyon Sturtze setting up Mariano Rivera, believe Dotel is a low-risk, high-reward option. They decided to focus on him ahead of Julian Tavarez, Rudy Seanez and Rick White. "We've had extensive conversations with the Yankees over the last two weeks," Horwits said.

ring403
12-19-05, 12:21 AM
http://www.newsday.com/sports/ny-spyanks19,0,1519701.story?coll=ny-sports-headlines
There's far more suspense, however, surrounding another free agent's decision. Octavio Dotel has narrowed his list of possibilities to four teams -- including the Yankees and Mets -- and was nearing a decision last night, agent Danny Horwits said.

Horwits said Dotel, 32, has rebounded as well as possible in his rehab, throwing every Monday, Wednesday and Friday in the Dominican Republic. Dotel has made several trips to Alabama to visit his surgeon, Dr. James Andrews, who has not ruled out pitching by Opening Day, Horwits said. A more likely timetable is late April.

Dotel, who wants a one-year deal loaded with incentives, has spoken directly with general manager Brian Cashman and officials from other teams, Horwits said, to learn how each team views his timetable and envisions his role in the bullpen.

The Yankees, with righthanders Kyle Farnsworth and Tanyon Sturtze setting up Mariano Rivera, believe Dotel is a low-risk, high-reward option. They decided to focus on him ahead of Julian Tavarez, Rudy Seanez and Rick White. "We've had extensive conversations with the Yankees over the last two weeks," Horwits said.
The Yanks look to be going hard after Dotel.

Ghost of Dan Pasqua
12-19-05, 12:25 AM
http://www.newsday.com/sports/ny-spyanks19,0,1519701.story?coll=ny-sports-headlines


I think this is going to end up happening for the Yankees. Seanez will go to Boston, Tavarez will go to the Mets, and who cares about Rick White.

dabomb2045
12-19-05, 12:29 AM
I'll be very excited if we get Dotel....and I absolutely love our bullpen if we get him

Javadawg44
12-19-05, 12:36 AM
I have nothing against Newsday, but elbow reconstruction usually takes about 1 year to recover from. I'd still consider that the more likley date, and as of 12/1 an AP article quoted Dotel as saying mid-summer for his return.

Either way, I'd love to have him. I'm also worried that if Boston signs him they trade Mota in a package for something big......so keeping him away from them is big in my mind.

NewEraYanks2527
12-19-05, 12:58 AM
Please Cashman, get Dotel here, do what it takes, he will be very valuable as a setup man.

flymick24
12-19-05, 01:19 AM
dotel is pinstripes would make my off-season complete

NYDCYankee
12-19-05, 02:45 AM
http://www.nypost.com/sports/yankees/59077.htm


Free-agent reliever Octavio Dotel will most likely choose a team today, and the Yankees felt they were "very much in it," a local source told The Post yesterday.
Dotel, a hard-throwing righty coming off Tommy John surgery, received 11 offers this winter and piqued the interest of both the Yankees and Mets.

The 32-year-old whittled down his choices to four teams in the last week, and the Yankees showed more substantial interest than the Mets, according to a source.

Agent Dan Horwits indicated Dotel will most likely make his decision today after a couple teams exchanged final "parameters" with him yesterday.

The Yankees have have already signed Kyle Farnsworth and Mike Myers and acquired lefty Ron Villone to address their bullpen needs.

The Cardinals are believed to be a finalist for Dotel, even after they signed former Mets reliever Braden Looper to a three-year, $13.5 million pact on Thursday. Earlier this month, Dotel reportedly named the Mets, Dodgers, Astros and Twins as teams interested in him.

Dotel underwent Tommy John surgery on June 6, and indications were the Yankees didn't want to wait until next June on him. However, Horwits said his recovery is ahead of schedule.

This all excites me.

C-BUS CLIPPER
12-19-05, 07:57 AM
He would be a huge boost to our already improved pen. I hope we land him!

rightfielder21
12-19-05, 08:06 AM
It would be a great signing....

utopiapkwy
12-19-05, 08:19 AM
[QUOTE=NYDCYankee]http://www.nypost.com/sports/yankees/59077.htm

QUOTE]

The end of that article in the post today says that seanez and boston have agreed on a deal.

The Dynasty
12-19-05, 08:24 AM
[QUOTE=NYDCYankee]http://www.nypost.com/sports/yankees/59077.htm

QUOTE]

The end of that article in the post today says that seanez and boston have agreed on a deal.

If we sign Dotel, I don't mind the fact that we passed up on Seanez. It's worth the risk.

When you have:

Sturtze
Villone
Dotel
Myers
Farnsworth
Rivera

That pen has one of the highest ceilings in the majors. If everyone's healthy, it becomes a 6-inning game :drool:

38Special
12-19-05, 08:38 AM
The best part is that TJ Beam and J Brent Cox could be ready by July as well, allowing us to fill any holes if guys fail...rather than having to patch it together with horrible pieces like Franklin, Proctor, and Karsay

ieddyi
12-19-05, 08:56 AM
I'm just concerned w/ Torre being able to utilize a deep bullpen. He has his pattern of trusting only 2-3 guys in the pen. Will he be able to be flexible and use players appropriately? IF someone happens to get off w/ a rough outing, will they be buried in the pen?

utopiapkwy
12-19-05, 08:59 AM
If we sign Dotel, I don't mind the fact that we passed up on Seanez. It's worth the risk.


I agree.

flymick24
12-19-05, 08:59 AM
even with dotel coming off TJ surgery, i'd much rather have him than rudy seanez, who's middle name is DL

flymick24
12-19-05, 09:03 AM
I'm just concerned w/ Torre being able to utilize a deep bullpen. He has his pattern of trusting only 2-3 guys in the pen. Will he be able to be flexible and use players appropriately? IF someone happens to get off w/ a rough outing, will they be buried in the pen?

we're all hoping that ALL the arms will be effective enough to not warrant torre favoring any few of them

HouseThatRingsBuild
12-19-05, 12:19 PM
Dotel sucks. He was horrible for the A's.

Kulish29
12-19-05, 12:21 PM
Dotel sucks. He was horrible for the A's.

Because he was their closer. If Dotel is brought in, he'll middle relief/set-up man, a role he was good at in Houston.

Snatch Catch
12-19-05, 12:22 PM
Dotel sucks. He was horrible for the A's.

I'd like to see you try and prove that one.

DJ27
12-19-05, 12:22 PM
I'm just concerned w/ Torre being able to utilize a deep bullpen. He has his pattern of trusting only 2-3 guys in the pen. Will he be able to be flexible and use players appropriately? IF someone happens to get off w/ a rough outing, will they be buried in the pen?

Agreed... it will be interesting to watch how he deals with this new pen.

HouseThatRingsBuild
12-19-05, 12:23 PM
If we sign Dotel, I don't mind the fact that we passed up on Seanez. It's worth the risk.

When you have:

Sturtze
Villone
Dotel
Myers
Farnsworth
Rivera

That pen has one of the highest ceilings in the majors. If everyone's healthy, it becomes a 6-inning game :drool:

Torre might have that mix again. Those years when Torre had a deep bullpen was a rarity.

Yankeeah
12-19-05, 12:24 PM
Dotel sucks. He was horrible for the A's.

Ummm, care to explain?

HouseThatRingsBuild
12-19-05, 12:25 PM
Because he was their closer. If Dotel is brought in, he'll middle relief/set-up man, a role he was good at in Houston.

He had is best succes in NL.

HouseThatRingsBuild
12-19-05, 12:36 PM
Does any one remember when dotel gave up the lead in 2004 next last game of the season agianst the angels?

Snatch Catch
12-19-05, 12:38 PM
Does any one remember when dotel gave up the lead in 2004 next last game of the season agianst the angels?

Does anyone remember when Rivera gave up that lead to the Diamondbacks in game 7 of the 2001 World Series?

Davios
12-19-05, 12:38 PM
Does any one remember when dotel gave up the lead in 2004 next last game of the season agianst the angels?


Anyone remember when Tom Gordon served up a grand slam to Vlad in a clutch game at Anahiem, every reliever in this league blows games.

I Love Wang
12-19-05, 12:40 PM
Does anyone remember when Rivera gave up that lead to the Diamondbacks in game 7 of the 2001 World Series?

I'm so pissed we didn't trade him after that.

I Love Wang
12-19-05, 12:40 PM
I'd like to see you try and prove that one.

He could, but he'd need to bring in charts, and graphs, and a hypnotist.

RhodeyYankee2638
12-19-05, 12:42 PM
Who remembers when DJ dislocated his shoulder intentionally at the beginging of the season??? What a selfish and untalented bastard

Yanks Lifer
12-19-05, 12:42 PM
Because he was their closer. If Dotel is brought in, he'll middle relief/set-up man, a role he was good at in Houston.

I agree. Certain guys were much better at set up than closers. Dotel, Mota and Kolb come to mind. If healthy I think Dotel would thrive in a set up role, perhaps even more so since he wouldn't be the only viable set up option given Farnsworth, Myers, Sturtze, Villone.

HouseThatRingsBuild
12-19-05, 12:42 PM
They both been in big spots and came through..dotel only came through once in 99 as a rookie

I Love Wang
12-19-05, 12:43 PM
I agree. Certain guys were much better at set up than closers. Dotel, Mota and Kolb come to mind. If healthy I think Dotel would thrive in a set up role, perhaps even more so since he wouldn't be the only viable set up option given Farnsworth, Myers, Sturtze, Villone.

Kolb's problem wasn't closing. It was pitching. I could have told you that he was going to fall apart last year, given how badly his k/9 fell last year.

Captain Yankee
12-19-05, 12:46 PM
Dotel and Farnsworth setting up for Rivera could be a pretty nice setting up for Rivera. Much better than Quantrill and Gordon we hope?

HouseThatRingsBuild
12-19-05, 12:47 PM
I see everyone is agianst me with on this. but before I leave.

I have been watching A's games for the last two years. Dotel was horrible. Just look at his 2004 numbers on the A's. The Astros gave him away.

RobbiMan
12-19-05, 12:51 PM
I see everyone is agianst me with on this. but before I leave.

I have been watching A's games for the last two years. Dotel was horrible. Just look at his 2004 numbers on the A's. The Astros gave him away.

I agree...just skimming his numbers; his strikeouts in 2004 were nice, but his ERA was 3.5+, and he had 9 blown saves in 45 chances. That is 20% folks or 1 every 5 chances. That's not good. He also gives up some homeruns. He throws hard and strikes people out which is apparently sexy on this board (see Kyle Farnsworth worship) but he is not solid when it counts.

RhodeyYankee2638
12-19-05, 12:52 PM
I agree...just skimming his numbers; his strikeouts in 2004 were nice, but his ERA was 3.5+, and he had 9 blown saves in 45 chances. That is 20% folks or 1 every 5 chances. That's not good. He also gives up some homeruns. He throws hard and strikes people out which is apparently sexy on this board (see Kyle Farnsworth worship) but he is not solid when it counts.

Good thing we already have a closer and a primary set up man then. He will be added for depth, not to be a closer

RobbiMan
12-19-05, 12:54 PM
Good thing we already have a closer and a primary set up man then. He will be added for depth, not to be a closer

I am aware of that...but thanks. My point, however, is that he is not as amazing as some here think he is. Just because you have a closer, doesn't mean Dotel won't pitch in important situations. If he can't perform in difficult situations, it doesn't matter whether it's the 7th inning or the bottom of the 9th.

JavyVazquezIsSick
12-19-05, 01:00 PM
This would be a great signing...

RhodeyYankee2638
12-19-05, 01:03 PM
I am aware of that...but thanks. My point, however, is that he is not as amazing as some here think he is. Just because you have a closer, doesn't mean Dotel won't pitch in important situations. If he can't perform in difficult situations, it doesn't matter whether it's the 7th inning or the bottom of the 9th.

Yeah, and there is nothing else out there worth while, and nothing that will come as cheap as Dotel. Look at his numbers as a set up man for Wagner, he is lights out

RobbiMan
12-19-05, 01:08 PM
Yeah, and there is nothing else out there worth while, and nothing that will come as cheap as Dotel. Look at his numbers as a set up man for Wagner, he is lights out

You are right, he was lights out. That season there was a lot of talk about Dotel being Wagner's heir-apparent. With each mention of that, there was always a follow-up question; does he have the mental make-up to be a closer...can he handle the pressure. He surely hasn't shown that he can be an elite closer. Pressure does appear to get to him so how do you think he will perform as a Yankee, not as a closer, but as a reliever in pressure-packed New York? Could it be that he is one of those guys who plays better when he is not in the spotlight or in the biggest market?

RhodeyYankee2638
12-19-05, 01:09 PM
You are right, he was lights out. That season there was a lot of talk about Dotel being Wagner's heir-apparent. With each mention of that, there was always a follow-up question; does he have the mental make-up to be a closer...can he handle the pressure. He surely hasn't shown that he can be an elite closer. Pressure does appear to get to him so how do you think he will perform as a Yankee, not as a closer, but as a reliever in pressure-packed New York? Could it be that he is one of those guys who plays better when he is not in the spotlight or in the biggest market?

Sounds like Tom Gordon almost

nyyanksfan20
12-19-05, 01:12 PM
I am willing to take a chance on a guy like Dotel with the stuff he has and the past sucess he has had.

RobbiMan
12-19-05, 01:12 PM
Sounds like Tom Gordon almost

Not really though. Gordon had been a successful closer, in a big market for a number of years. Dotel has been a successful set-up man in a small market, and a decent, albeit somewhat mediocre, closer in a small market. Doesn't sound like Tom Gordon at all.

flymick24
12-19-05, 01:13 PM
Dotel and Farnsworth setting up for Rivera could be a pretty nice setting up for Rivera. Much better than Quantrill and Gordon we hope?

i don't think it would be that much better than the quantrill and gordon tandem because my logic is:

gordon > farnsworth
dotel > quantrill

so essentially gordon +quantrill more or less = farnsworth + dotel

the one thing that the yankees have going for them if they sign dotel is that he's a power pitcher who misses bats, something quantrill was NOT... and with our defense, it's imperative to get bullpen arms who don't put balls into play (i.e. stay away from julian tavarez)

38Special
12-19-05, 01:16 PM
He was the best setup man in the entire league when he was in Houston.

NewEraYanks2527
12-19-05, 01:20 PM
He was the best setup man in the entire league when he was in Houston. And if he can even resemble that form he will be a big boost to the Yankee bullpen.

RhodeyYankee2638
12-19-05, 01:54 PM
Not really though. Gordon had been a successful closer, in a big market for a number of years. Dotel has been a successful set-up man in a small market, and a decent, albeit somewhat mediocre, closer in a small market. Doesn't sound like Tom Gordon at all.

Yet Tom Gordon couldn't handle the pressure

Jersey Yankee
12-19-05, 02:19 PM
I haven't followed this thread at all, so please forgive. Either case, he is expected to make his decision today, based upon what I just heard on WCBS 880AM.

JeffWeaverFan
12-19-05, 02:28 PM
http://www.newsday.com/sports/ny-spyanks19,0,1519701.story?coll=ny-sports-headlinesThe Yanks look to be going hard after Dotel.
Yep, I was right.

JeffWeaverFan
12-19-05, 02:29 PM
dotel is pinstripes would make my off-season complete
I would still consider the offseason a failure if we have Bubba and Bernie as the two CFers on the team.

RIYankeeFan
12-19-05, 03:46 PM
Most likely, Sturtze or Small will be traded this off season. Who ever isn't traded of the two will most likely be traded @ the deadline if we do acquire Dotel. Unless he totally bombs AAA rehab.

DJ27
12-19-05, 03:51 PM
I would still consider the offseason a failure if we have Bubba and Bernie as the two CFers on the team.

Along with the 2006 season!

Yankees1962
12-19-05, 04:37 PM
I would still consider the offseason a failure if we have Bubba and Bernie as the two CFers on the team.
The offseason's not complete until April 1st.

flymick24
12-19-05, 04:47 PM
who's gonna be the creative one and photoshop this into yankees pinstripes?

http://www.nypost.com/photos/yankslede12192005.jpg

38Special
12-19-05, 04:53 PM
http://img429.imageshack.us/img429/9483/yankslede121920053ka.jpg

That'll be 500 bucks. Throw it in the mail for me.

Darth_Takeo
12-19-05, 05:00 PM
http://img429.imageshack.us/img429/9483/yankslede121920053ka.jpg

That'll be 500 bucks. Throw it in the mail for me.
:roflmao:

flymick24
12-19-05, 05:03 PM
http://img429.imageshack.us/img429/9483/yankslede121920053ka.jpg

That'll be 500 bucks. Throw it in the mail for me.

i threw up in my mouth

Kulish29
12-19-05, 05:52 PM
http://img429.imageshack.us/img429/9483/yankslede121920053ka.jpg

That'll be 500 bucks. Throw it in the mail for me.

ALL YEAR BABY!

Sorry, BBI thing.

Kulish29
12-19-05, 05:54 PM
Does anyone remember when Rivera gave up that lead to the Diamondbacks in game 7 of the 2001 World Series?

Anyone remember when Tom Gordon served up a grand slam to Vlad in a clutch game at Anahiem, every reliever in this league blows games.

Who remembers when DJ dislocated his shoulder intentionally at the beginging of the season??? What a selfish and untalented bastard

Anyone remember the Titans?

Captain Yankee
12-19-05, 06:03 PM
The thing with Dotel is that he strikes out a lot of guys. But on the flip side---he also gives up a lot of HRs. I don't know if that is necessarily good for an 8th inning guy. Maybe he shouldn't ever come in with men on base---solo HRs hurt less.

Kulish29
12-19-05, 06:03 PM
I see everyone is agianst me with on this. but before I leave.

I have been watching A's games for the last two years. Dotel was horrible. Just look at his 2004 numbers on the A's. The Astros gave him away.

He was part of the deal that landed them Beltran. He wasnt given up for nothing.

dabomb2045
12-19-05, 06:04 PM
Dotel K's guys, and misses bats. This is key for us, considering our team defense blows.

Yankyfan
12-19-05, 06:26 PM
Any updates ? I read where he might decide today .

RhodeyYankee2638
12-19-05, 06:30 PM
I hope Torre didn't call him

JeffWeaverFan
12-19-05, 06:42 PM
Any updates ? I read where he might decide today .
Just heard that it's down to the Indians and Yankees apparently and the Indians would use him as their closer... I don't like the sound of that.

edit: And the decision should be made soon.

RhodeyYankee2638
12-19-05, 06:44 PM
Just heard that it's down to the Indians and Yankees apparently and the Indians would use him as their closer... I don't like the sound of that.

edit: And the decision should be made soon.


Didn't they sign Todd Jones? That would be a filthy pen if healthy

JeffWeaverFan
12-19-05, 06:46 PM
Didn't they sign Todd Jones? That would be a filthy pen if healthy
I don't think they signed Todd Jones. I think Detroit signed him, but I could be wrong.

dabomb2045
12-19-05, 06:47 PM
Just heard that it's down to the Indians and Yankees apparently and the Indians would use him as their closer... I don't like the sound of that.

edit: And the decision should be made soon.


f*cking Indians

JeffWeaverFan
12-19-05, 06:49 PM
We have to offer more money than the Indians but I wonder if being a closer is too much to pass up...

YankeePride1967
12-19-05, 06:51 PM
We have to offer more money than the Indians but I wonder if being a closer is too much to pass up...

Unless I missed a post to the contrary, but isn't Dotel out, conservatively until May?

RhodeyYankee2638
12-19-05, 06:53 PM
I don't think they signed Todd Jones. I think Detroit signed him, but I could be wrong.

Man you are right, i completely forgot. Is Wickman still out there? I believe he is

Yankeeah
12-19-05, 06:53 PM
Unless I missed a post to the contrary, but isn't Dotel out, conservatively until May?

I've heard May, I've heard June.

I doubt the Indians would use him as a closer, considering he will be out for so long. When he comes back he would have to be weaned in, but maybe later on as a closer.

Jace
12-19-05, 06:55 PM
Maybe he'll remember that he's better as a setup man.

JeffWeaverFan
12-19-05, 07:00 PM
Unless I missed a post to the contrary, but isn't Dotel out, conservatively until May?
Yeah. But, when he comes back, he could takeover as the closer?

Yankeeah
12-19-05, 07:00 PM
Man you are right, i completely forgot. Is Wickman still out there? I believe he is

Nope, Cleveland re-signed him. And they recently signed Karsay and Graves

JeffWeaverFan
12-19-05, 07:01 PM
Man you are right, i completely forgot. Is Wickman still out there? I believe he is
Wickman re-signed with the Indians.

YankeePride1967
12-19-05, 07:02 PM
Yeah. But, when he comes back, he could takeover as the closer?

I can't see a team that hopes to contend waiitng until May or June to have an effective closer. If they brought him in as a set up for Wickman and then whomever was better got the role, I could understand that.

JeffWeaverFan
12-19-05, 07:02 PM
Nope, Cleveland re-signed him. And they recently signed Karsay and Graves
To minor league deals.

JeffWeaverFan
12-19-05, 07:03 PM
I can't see a team that hopes to contend waiitng until May or June to have an effective closer. If they brought him in as a set up for Wickman and then whomever was better got the role, I could understand that.
Yeah, they have their closer in Wickman but they feel that Dotel is better so when he comes, he'll become the closer. Or at least he has a good shot to become closer - and he's got no shot with the Yanks.

38Special
12-19-05, 07:03 PM
I dont see how the Indians have room in their pen for him. They have far too many quality young guys in there

ShaneTravis
12-19-05, 07:06 PM
I dont see how the Indians have room in their pen for him. They have far too many quality young guys in there

Howry left but I think it is still intact with the additions of (maybe) Karsay,Graves. Is there room for Dotel?

RhodeyYankee2638
12-19-05, 07:06 PM
Wickman re-signed with the Indians.

No way they offer Dotel the closers role then, they are probably lying to him

YankeePride1967
12-19-05, 07:07 PM
Yeah, they have their closer in Wickman but they feel that Dotel is better so when he comes, he'll become the closer. Or at least he has a good shot to become closer - and he's got no shot with the Yanks.

Well if the Indians are releasing Riske due to financial constraints (to make a move on Dotel?) I don't think they can afford to get into a bidding war for Dotel. The Yanks have been prudent in their spending this off-season and I think can afford to bid a bit high for Dotel.

flymick24
12-19-05, 07:11 PM
i think if there's any time to overspend, now is that time

RhodeyYankee2638
12-19-05, 07:12 PM
i think if there's any time to overspend, now is that time

yes, jacques jones for RF and make sheff the dh

38Special
12-19-05, 07:13 PM
The Indians have

Sauerbeck
Rhodes
Riske
Betancourt
Miller
Cabrera
Wickman

and waiting in AAA
Andrew Brown, Kaz Tadano, and Jason Davis

flymick24
12-19-05, 07:14 PM
yes, jacques jones for RF and make sheff the dh

:barf:

i meant dotel... seeing as how there's a premium on bullpen arms this off-season, getting a strike-out pitcher like him would boost our bullpen immeasureably...

we need to outbid cleveland because unlike ryan, dotel would be willing to set-up, imo

Jersey Yankee
12-19-05, 07:14 PM
Man you are right, i completely forgot. Is Wickman still out there? I believe he is
From what I remember, Wickman's an FA this winter. Like Hoffman, he'd not been signed for awhile, but Trevor obviously has a greater rep that does Bob Wickman.

I hope we get Dotel. Then again, perhaps we can have Wickman set up ... (falls down in happiness at the thought). :gulp::O :rockin: :p :clapping:

flymick24
12-19-05, 07:15 PM
From what I remember, Wickman's an FA this winter. Like Hoffman, he'd not been signed for awhile, but Trevor obviously has a greater rep that does Bob Wickman.

I hope we get Dotel. Then again, perhaps we can have Wickman set up ... (falls down in happiness at the thought). :gulp::O :rockin: :p :clapping:

wickman already re-signed with the indians

Jersey Yankee
12-19-05, 07:16 PM
yes, jacques jones for RF and make sheff the dh
He was offered arbitration, and today, which is the deadline, he declined, so we'd have to give up a pick.

I hope that he's worth it.

Jones' days as a Twin officially over
Outfielder declines Minnesota's offer for arbitration (http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051219&content_id=1284193&vkey=hotstove2005&fext=.jsp)

Jersey Yankee
12-19-05, 07:17 PM
wickman already re-signed with the indians
He did? Oh well. Either case, it was one of those "CF: Andruw Jones; RF: Ichiro Suzuki" moments I have every now and then. Oh well. :D

flymick24
12-19-05, 07:18 PM
He was offered arbitration, and today, which is the deadline, he declined, so we'd have to give up a pick.

I hope that he's worth it.

Jones' days as a Twin officially over
Outfielder declines Minnesota's offer for arbitration (http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051219&content_id=1284193&vkey=hotstove2005&fext=.jsp)

he's not worth the money + draft picks

JeffWeaverFan
12-19-05, 07:18 PM
No way they offer Dotel the closers role then, they are probably lying to him
I'm not positive about that. "The Indians are offering him the closers job apparently" was what I heard. Could be wrong though.

Jersey Yankee
12-19-05, 07:19 PM
he's not worth the money + draft picks
How much is he likely to get via FA?

Is he better than Shef or Bubba in RF?

RhodeyYankee2638
12-19-05, 07:19 PM
I'm not positive about that. "The Indians are offering him the closers job apparently" was what I heard. Could be wrong though.

Wedge is a fairly smart manager. No way he puts broken goods out there in the closers role, especially since Wickman had a very good year last year. They are feeding him crap, cause they know Dotel has 0 chance of closing in the Bronx

flymick24
12-19-05, 07:19 PM
I'm not positive about that. "The Indians are offering him the closers job apparently" was what I heard. Could be wrong though.

maybe by offering the closer's role, they were just saying that the job isn't wickman's to keep, and that if dotel proves to pitch well enough and wickman falters, dotel would close for them

just speculation on my part though

JeffWeaverFan
12-19-05, 07:19 PM
Either way, the fact that we are 1 of 2 teams that can get him makes me feel good about our chances. It sounds like the Yankees really want Dotel and we all know that they have money to spend. Get it done!

38Special
12-19-05, 07:21 PM
JeffWeaverFan where did you hear this?

flymick24
12-19-05, 07:22 PM
How much is he likely to get via FA?

Is he better than Shef or Bubba in RF?

jones' defense is average at best, and he's got a wet noodle for an arm. his bat is better than crosby's though.

still, while sheff provides shaky defense, at least people know not to take the extra base on his arm

flymick24
12-19-05, 07:23 PM
JeffWeaverFan where did you hear this?

probably one of his beat-writer sources

the source also told JWF early last night that dotel had narrowed down his choices to 4 teams, and that proved to be accurate, so i'm putting my trust in that source until proven otherwise

JeffWeaverFan
12-19-05, 07:25 PM
probably one of his beat-writer sources

the source also told JWF early last night that dotel had narrowed down his choices to 4 teams, and that proved to be accurate, so i'm putting my trust in that source until proven otherwise
Yeah. The same guy told me this.

flymick24
12-19-05, 07:26 PM
let's hope we get some decision by tonight... i need some sort of news fix

wang+cano=future
12-19-05, 07:33 PM
According to doctors Dotel will be ready by mid-April, which is half a month to a whole month than everyone has been speculating here....Which is all the more reason I hope Cashman can sign him.

http://www.nypost.com/sports/yankees/59077.htm

BJG
12-19-05, 07:40 PM
According to doctors Dotel will be ready by mid-April, which is half a month to a whole month than everyone has been speculating here....Which is all the more reason I hope Cashman can sign him.

http://www.nypost.com/sports/yankees/59077.htm

According to his agent, his doctors think he'll be back in April. According to Dotel, he thinks he'll be back by midsummer. I'm going to go with the player on this one, as they are the ones who have to overcome the mental hump of pitching post surgery.

wang+cano=future
12-19-05, 07:52 PM
Yeah I would agree I did not know that Dotel would give an ETA of midsummer....

Vin
12-19-05, 08:22 PM
Guys, the unwritten law here is criticize Cashman first then say sign Dotel.

nyctalopia
12-19-05, 09:15 PM
Guys, the unwritten law here is criticize Cashman first then say sign Dotel.
Haha.

But yes, Dotel must be signed. Indications are (and I'm sure this has been mentioned) that he is leaning towards signing with the Yankees over the Mets. He keeps hoping for a late April return, but chances are he won't be ready until May, and won't be effective until June. But when he's finally healthy and up-to-speed, it'll be an amazing mid-season pitching "pick-up." He'll also be healthy and relatively well rested down the stretch and into the post-season.

AMYanks
12-19-05, 09:23 PM
I hope Dotel realizes that the Indians are, in all likelihood, lying to him. I doubt he closes there, especially since he is coming off of injury. We'll just have to give him more money guaranteed.

Just get this done, Cash.

Mark19
12-19-05, 09:25 PM
So is it safe to assume that the NY Post rarely has any clue what is going in the baseball market?

NewEraYanks2527
12-19-05, 10:05 PM
I thought there was supposed to be a decision by today and the day is 2 hrs away from being over where I am so wtf?

RobbiMan
12-19-05, 10:22 PM
Haha.

But yes, Dotel must be signed. Indications are (and I'm sure this has been mentioned) that he is leaning towards signing with the Yankees over the Mets. He keeps hoping for a late April return, but chances are he won't be ready until May, and won't be effective until June. But when he's finally healthy and up-to-speed, it'll be an amazing mid-season pitching "pick-up." He'll also be healthy and relatively well rested down the stretch and into the post-season.


Where's the guy who has the "source inside ESPN?" He was really reliable in the Nomar threads....or not.

NewEraYanks2527
12-19-05, 10:23 PM
Where's the guy who has the "source inside ESPN?" He was really reliable in the Nomar threads....or not. The guy who knew a guy who was friends with a guy that worked for a communications company? Yea we need him around. I'm sticking with Tony Danza.

ICEBERG18
12-19-05, 11:14 PM
The Yankees appeared close to an agreement with reliever Octavio Dotel before talks cooled last night. But they still seem to hold a slight edge over the Mets, Indians, Rangers and Red Sox, with a deal expected as early as this afternoon, according to a person familiar with the negotiations.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spmets1220,0,5147714.story?coll=ny-sports-headlines

AMYanks
12-19-05, 11:16 PM
The Yankees appeared close to an agreement with reliever Octavio Dotel before talks cooled last night. But they still seem to hold a slight edge over the Mets, Indians, Rangers and Red Sox, with a deal expected as early as this afternoon, according to a person familiar with the negotiations.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spmets1220,0,5147714.story?coll=ny-sports-headlines

I don't like "before talks cooled last night." Hopefully they are still close to an agreement, though.

RhodeyYankee2638
12-19-05, 11:18 PM
The Yankees appeared close to an agreement with reliever Octavio Dotel before talks cooled last night. But they still seem to hold a slight edge over the Mets, Indians, Rangers and Red Sox, with a deal expected as early as this afternoon, according to a person familiar with the negotiations.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spmets1220,0,5147714.story?coll=ny-sports-headlines

I hope they didn't tell him we are moving him to first base

goin for 27
12-19-05, 11:24 PM
I hope that it is a largely incentive based deal. I did some research, and man, Dotel had a lot going wrong in that elbow...


Dotel has been out since May 18 with tendon calcification, which would not be addressed with surgery, but he also does not have a functioning ulnar collateral ligament. It was torn sometime in the past, certainly before he came to Oakland last season, which the team's doctors knew. He has pitched effectively without one, which is not unheard of; sometimes athletes injure ligaments but the structures around them are strong enough to carry the workload.

According to A's athletic trainer Larry Davis, the idea behind the so- called Tommy John surgery will be to put in a ligament (actually a tendon, probably from the forearm) and take the stress off the surrounding structures and lessen the irritation. Along with tendinitis, Dotel has a muscle strain, possibly because of the missing ligament.

The recommendations, though, were for Dotel to rest and then rehab in hopes of avoiding the surgery and its 12- to 18-month rehab time, which could keep Dotel off the mound until 2007.

"You really want to make sure you do everything possible to avoid this,'' Davis said. "That's the approach we've taken with all our injuries.''

Read the rest here....

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2005/06/03/SPGDUD33FP1.DTL&type=as

I hope that he is not being too optimistic for an early season return....

AMYanks
12-19-05, 11:26 PM
I hope that it is a largely incentive based deal. I did some research, and man, Dotel had a lot going wrong in that elbow...



Read the rest here....

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2005/06/03/SPGDUD33FP1.DTL&type=as

I hope that he is not being too optimistic for an early season return....

That article is over six months old. Dr. James Andrews, maybe the best surgeon in the world, has said he could be ready for opening day. More likely, he will be ready by late April/May.

27IsNext
12-19-05, 11:45 PM
I don't like "before talks cooled last night." Hopefully they are still close to an agreement, though.

Now when was the last time this was said about someone we were going hard after, only for them to end up signing somewhere else...

38Special
12-20-05, 12:10 AM
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spmets1220,0,5147714.story?coll=ny-sports-headlines


The Yankees appeared close to an agreement with reliever Octavio Dotel before talks cooled last night. But they still seem to hold a slight edge over the Mets, Indians, Rangers and Red Sox, with a deal expected as early as this afternoon, according to a person familiar with the negotiations.


Figured this was worth a new thread since this is getting around now. Hopefully we can seal the deal today.

The only problem with this article is it says that Cashman has identified the bullpen as the glaring weakness, which is more the author's opinion...as Cashman has never said that...and CF is more likely the most glaring weakness.

edit: didnt see that it was posted in the other dotel thread

AMYanks
12-20-05, 12:12 AM
I anticipate Cashman gets this done... hopefully.

NYDCYankee
12-20-05, 12:17 AM
I love what this could do for us. Having two top setup guys (provided Dotel will be healthy) allows us to rest one while the other pitchers rather than Gordon pitching every day.

We tried this last year with Sturtze and more often than not I felt like he didn't get it done.

Now I am not going to bash Sturtze but now we push him down the line a bit so he will have less wear on his shoulder.

Add in the two lefties, that we should be able to trust. We have the makings of a very strong pen. Well done Cash.

Snap731
12-20-05, 12:25 AM
Dotel in our pen would be terrific and I'll wait as long as he needs me to.

nyyfanatic85
12-20-05, 12:26 AM
If we can get him, what a change for the bullpen...for the better of course. Look out.

vin777b
12-20-05, 12:31 AM
IMO this is more important than CF. I can live with Bubba Crosby. I don't think we can live with Farnsworth as our lone set-up man. Dotel is a necessity, not a luxury-item. Give him what it takes, to get a deal done.

SubwayFanatic
12-20-05, 12:33 AM
I like this signing. Very low-risk with high upside. Dotel is very good when healthy. Honestly though, there is a chance he may contribute very little next year. But he is worth a gamble.

Mark19
12-20-05, 12:33 AM
beware the talons of Omar Minaya, he could flip his chit and offer Dotel $7 million

Panamaniac42
12-20-05, 12:40 AM
beware the talons of Omar Minaya, he could flip his chit and offer Dotel $7 million

"Octavio, come to Los Mets, here's a blank check!"


Seriously I hope the Yanks get this done, I welcome Dotel & his new bionic arm whether I have to wait until 2006 or 2007.

Remember Jon Lieber...

Crusadecat
12-20-05, 12:41 AM
i've been a Dotel fan for a while and I could see him maturing into the Yankees closer in the years to come

Yankeeah
12-20-05, 12:51 AM
From MLBtraderumors.com, somewhat reliable, but take it for what it's worth.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2005/12/dotel_prefers_y.html


Just got a note from my favorite source today. Remember our New York barber friend who's in tight with Octavio Dotel? My source got another haircut today, and Dotel's preference was revealed to be the Yankees.

Kulish29
12-20-05, 12:52 AM
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spmets1220,0,5147714.story?coll=ny-sports-headlines



Figured this was worth a new thread since this is getting around now. Hopefully we can seal the deal today.

The only problem with this article is it says that Cashman has identified the bullpen as the glaring weakness, which is more the author's opinion...as Cashman has never said that...and CF is more likely the most glaring weakness.

edit: didnt see that it was posted in the other dotel thread

The best thing about this news? George King didnt report it. Thanks 38.

BroadwayBomber55
12-20-05, 12:52 AM
"Octavio, come to Los Mets, here's a blank check!"


Seriously I hope the Yanks get this done, I welcome Dotel & his new bionic arm whether I have to wait until 2006 or 2007.

Remember Jon Lieber...

I remember Jon Lieber very well as he almost singlehandedly carried the Yankees to the World Series in 2004.

Hopefully, the Yankees hope that Octavio Dotel stays healthy and be very solid and effective.

dabomb2045
12-20-05, 12:53 AM
hopefully the "talks have cooled" comment isnt a bad omen

Kulish29
12-20-05, 12:59 AM
From MLBtraderumors.com, somewhat reliable, but take it for what it's worth.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2005/12/dotel_prefers_y.html

Although I like the news, that site is the same site who broke the "Jim Edmonds to the Yankees" trade.

NYDCYankee
12-20-05, 12:59 AM
From MLBtraderumors.com, somewhat reliable, but take it for what it's worth.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2005/12/dotel_prefers_y.html


At least we know Damon doesn't get haircuts.

Evil Empire
12-20-05, 12:59 AM
I remember Jon Lieber very well as he almost singlehandedly carried the Yankees to the World Series in 2004.

Hopefully, the Yankees hope that Octavio Dotel stays healthy and be very solid and effective.

Yes, other than Duque, no one was stable in the rotation that year, IIRC.

Yankeeah
12-20-05, 01:00 AM
Although I like the news, that site is the same site who broke the "Jim Edmonds to the Yankees" trade.

To be fair, they never said it was anything beyond "it would make sense." While the site isn't the most on-point, it could be worth something.

NYDCYankee
12-20-05, 01:02 AM
http://www.nj.com/printer/printer.ssf?/base/sports-0/1135057866276750.xml&coll=1


Octavio Dotel was still deciding which team to sign with yesterday, although agent Dan Horwits expressed hope Dotel would choose soon.

Dotel is the Yankees' top choice among remaining free-agent relievers; the Mets and St. Louis Cardinals are among the teams also interested in Dotel.

While the Yankees already have 12 pitchers -- 13 including Scott Proctor -- they would like to add another reliever for depth.

One line of internal thinking is that by late spring training teams will be looking for pitching help, and the Yankees could then deal a pitcher -- a reliever or perhaps Carl Pavano, if he is healthy -- for a center fielder if they do not acquire one before then.

Dotel, 32, underwent "Tommy John" surgery on June 6, ending his season for Oakland. Because of their depth, the Yankees can afford to wait for Dotel to recover fully, even if it takes the typical 12 months.

He has a career 3.63 ERA and 725 strikeouts in 600 1/3 innings over 381 games with the Mets, Houston and Oakland. He has a good history as a set-up man, with a 2.15 ERA in 2002-03 for the Astros in front of closer Billy Wagner.

JeffWeaverFan
12-20-05, 03:47 AM
I would be surprised if we don't get this done.

NYDCYankee
12-20-05, 04:03 AM
More Dotel news:


Brian Cashman's offseason goals were to rebuild the Yankees' bullpen and find a center fielder.
Last night, the Yankees GM was in a fight with the Indians, Mets and Red Sox for reliever Octavio Dotel, a move that would enable Cashman to accomplish one goal.

Dotel, a 32-year-old right-hander who underwent elbow ligament transplant surgery last June, spoke with Cashman early last night from the Dominican Republic and was waiting for George Steinbrenner's approval later in the evening. That approval never came.

That didn't eliminate the Yankees, but it did change Dotel's timetable since he told friends he was going to decide on an offer last night a decision that didn't happen.

The Yankees were offering a one-year deal in the $2 million range with incentive clauses.

Usually it takes a year for a pitcher to fully recover from Tommy John surgery, but Dotel is already throwing in the Dominican Republic and expects to be ready by April.


i found that pretty interesting.

NYDCYankee
12-20-05, 04:04 AM
Approval, does that mean we have an agreement of some sorts?

NYDCYankee
12-20-05, 04:09 AM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10540597/

Quotes a NY Times article but I have found no NYTimes article on Dotel

NYDCYankee
12-20-05, 04:21 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/story/376268p-319721c.html

NYDN article nothing groudbreaking in it.

flymick24
12-20-05, 04:45 AM
More Dotel news:




i found that pretty interesting.

don't take anything george king writes seriously... he makes a lot of crap up

38Special
12-20-05, 06:59 AM
i saw no link to that Steinbrenner thing, but figured it was George King. Surprising.

ring403
12-20-05, 07:53 AM
Approval, does that mean we have an agreement of some sorts?One could draw that conclusion from the article, assuming it was accurate, which is a large assumption based on George King's track record.
It would explain the delay in Dotel's decision, which was reportedly to come yesterday.

aeromac76
12-20-05, 08:19 AM
One could draw that conclusion from the article, assuming it was accurate, which is a large assumption based on George King's track record.
It would explain the delay in Dotel's decision, which was reportedly to come yesterday.

Yeah it seems as if this could be close, if the Yankees and Dotel were awaiting GS approval, then they probably have an agreement in principle and George either had jnot been reached or had not had time to go over it. If true, it would indicate a deal in place, yes..
As for him in the pen, I like it, he has good stuff and if he comes back string, he could really help us out..

The Dynasty
12-20-05, 09:13 AM
Seriously I hope the Yanks get this done, I welcome Dotel & his new bionic arm whether I have to wait until 2006 or 2007.

Remember Jon Lieber...

:-rofl-: Bionic arm, eh? Man, I hope we get Ox. I think we all remember how patience paid off with Jon Lieber. As long as Ox is not a closer, he's a premier setup man.

Come playoffs 2006 (God willing), our pen could look something like this:

Sturtze
Villone
Dotel
Myers
Farnsworth
Rivera

:drool: Regardless, this signing would bless us with a helluvalot of depth in our pitching department. And as one of the above articles mentioned, we can use that pitching depth to add a CF (Michaels, Reed) or hell...better pitching depth (Mateo, Putz, Soriano).

Think about this:

Dotel 31
Farnsworth 29

...and Beam, Smith, and Cox waiting in the wings :drool:

...and that's just the relievers waiting in the wings :drool:

Call it wishful thinking, but I think Cashman is starting to go the route of the early 90s when it comes to puting this team together.

Snatch Catch
12-20-05, 09:18 AM
Come playoffs 2006 (God willing), our pen could look something like this:

Sturtze
Villone
Dotel
Myers
Farnsworth
Rivera


God willing, Sturtze is moved for Michaels. :)

The Dynasty
12-20-05, 09:23 AM
God willing, Sturtze is moved for Michaels. :)

Sturtze for Michaels straight up...yeah.

God willing, Gillick forgets about his demand for Henn.

stephsamps
12-20-05, 09:36 AM
Some of these reports are showing this as a one year deal, I would prefer to have a 2-year deal to sort of hedge our bets if he isn't quite ready yet.

BJG
12-20-05, 09:56 AM
Some of these reports are showing this as a one year deal, I would prefer to have a 2-year deal to sort of hedge our bets if he isn't quite ready yet.

Dotel wants a 1 year deal.

flymick24
12-20-05, 09:58 AM
Dotel wants a 1 year deal.

probably so he can parlay that into a 3-4 year deal in 2007

stephsamps
12-20-05, 10:09 AM
^ yeah but if he isn't ready we get screwed... I understand his rationale. I just want to make sure we get to use him!

MisterNovember
12-20-05, 10:27 AM
I like this move, I hope Cashman can close the deal for Doc Ock.

You have to think though that this signing would mean one of our relievers (most likely Sturtze) is going to be traded.

BJG
12-20-05, 10:32 AM
What's the fascination with T.J. Beam? A 24 year old short reliever should beat the crap out of A- hitters.