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NYDCYankee
11-29-05, 03:32 AM
http://www.nypost.com/sports/yankees/58127.htm


According to several industry sources, the Yankees are engaged in serious negotiations with flame-throwing, right-handed setup man Kyle Farnsworth and are very close to inking lefty specialist Mike Myers.

This was mentioned in an article on Farnsworth, take it for what it is worth.

Anyone know what type of free agent Myers is? I am guessing a B or a C.

Yankees13
11-29-05, 03:35 AM
Hopefully it's true, we could use a pure LOOGY, and I think Torre would use him effectively considering his overwhelming difference between lefties and righties.

Yankees1962
11-29-05, 03:38 AM
http://www.nypost.com/sports/yankees/58127.htm



This was mentioned in an article on Farnsworth, take it for what it is worth.

Anyone know what type of free agent Myers is? I am guessing a B or a C.
He's a "B" free agent.

IncredibleByNature
11-29-05, 03:45 AM
I'd really like to have both. Farnsworth worries me, but hopefully he'd be fine in the set-up role.

StatenIslandYankee
11-29-05, 03:54 AM
Farnsworth is a bit scary. I hope we have a backup option. As bad as Gordon is in the post-season, he's money from April til Sept.

sugmasterflex
11-29-05, 03:58 AM
So, we give up a 1st round pick for Myers who is a lefty specialist with career ERA of over 4? Horrible move. Lefty specialst would be one of the easier postions to fill internally through Leiter or Matt Smith.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=3147

If Farnsworth accepted the 3yrs/15M deal, it's not that bad.

Then again, it's George King.

Yankees1962
11-29-05, 04:00 AM
So, we give up a 1st round pick for Myers who is a lefty specialist with career ERA of over 4? Horrible move. Lefty specialst would be one of the easier postions to fill internally through Leiter or Matt Smith.

If Farnsworth accepted th 3yrs/15M deal, it's not bad at all.

Then again, it's George King.
It might not be a 1st round pick if they sign "A" free agent which is very possible.

Yankees13
11-29-05, 04:02 AM
So, we give up a 1st round pick for Myers who is a lefty specialist with career ERA of over 4? Horrible move. Lefty specialst would be one of the easier postions to fill internally through Leiter or Matt Smith.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=3147

If Farnsworth accepted the 3yrs/15M deal, it's not that bad.

Then again, it's George King.
We're going to get a pick from whoever signs Gordon, it seems he's almost out the door.

sugmasterflex
11-29-05, 04:03 AM
It might not be a 1st round pick if they sign "A" free agent which is very possible.

I don't like giving up any pick in the top 3 rounds for him. Why not go after Joey Eischen who is a type C, better, and wouldn't cost us a pick (Nats would get 2nd rd. supplemental)?

sugmasterflex
11-29-05, 04:07 AM
We're going to get a pick from whoever signs Gordon, it seems he's almost out the door.

Doesn't mean we just throw away the pick we already have.

Yankees1962
11-29-05, 04:59 AM
I don't like giving up any pick in the top 3 rounds for him. Why not go after Joey Eischen who is a type C, better, and wouldn't cost us a pick (Nats would get 2nd rd. supplemental)?
Now, you're changing the argument from a 1st round pick to any pick in the top 3 rounds. Anyhow, against lefty batters the last three years Myers has a .595 OPS while Eischen's had a .705 OPS. Myers has been pitching in the AL, so the Yankees know all about him and have liked him for a while and tried to get him from Seattle a couple of years ago.

I do understand your argument about the draft choice.

Yankees13
11-29-05, 05:05 AM
Doesn't mean we just throw away the pick we already have.
Do we lose our pick with Myers? I thought Type B FAs were a supplemental round pick, not a first round pick. I'm not too sure how the system works.

NYDCYankee
11-29-05, 05:08 AM
Wait...refresh my memory, so if Myers is a type B what exactly do we lose?

Mattingly Sideburns
11-29-05, 05:11 AM
I would be shocked if it's actually Mike Myers that would cost the Yankees a first round pick. You don't think they are going to sign ANYONE else higher on the compensation list? Plus, Mike Myers, as bad as he is, has about 10 times the chance of contributing more to the Yankees than the average 3rd round pick.

TheScooter
11-29-05, 05:52 AM
Typical New York Post


While there was a rumor yesterday -- in the wake of the high-priced deals given B.J. Ryan and Billy Wagner -- that the Yankees were close to signing Farnsworth and lefty Mike Myers, it was shot down by general manager Brian Cashman.

"We're obviously making our phone calls to clubs and agents," Cashman said, "but nothing to show for it at this point."


Myers, who pitched for the Red Sox this season, said he does not yet have an offer from the Yankees (who may be trying to avoid giving up draft picks by waiting until after the Dec. 7 deadline for teams to offer arbitration to their free agents).

http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/113324718996070.xml&coll=1

Yankees13
11-29-05, 05:57 AM
I would be shocked if it's actually Mike Myers that would cost the Yankees a first round pick. You don't think they are going to sign ANYONE else higher on the compensation list? Plus, Mike Myers, as bad as he is, has about 10 times the chance of contributing more to the Yankees than the average 3rd round pick.
Yeah I was thinking that. I would say there's little realistic chance that the Yankees won't sign a Type A FA.

Yankees1962
11-29-05, 05:59 AM
Do we lose our pick with Myers? I thought Type B FAs were a supplemental round pick, not a first round pick. I'm not too sure how the system works.
In regard to Type B free agents, the signing team loses a first round pick, but if the signing team signs other free agent players that are rated higher than that type "B" player then the draft choices goes in order of the player rankings.

BennyTheJetRodriguez
11-29-05, 06:44 AM
I don't like the idea of a specialist for that kindoff money and a pick. I know picks don't usually end up being much, but in the big picture whoever is drafted is trade bait that will allow us to keep some of our better prospects. Look at Stanton's numbers versus lefties last year, they were great, and he didn't last. If the pen is shallow like last year he'll end up pitching to a righty eventually and loose his job. He could work, but i think it makes more sense to try a young guy in that role.

mbn007
11-29-05, 07:07 AM
I think thi sgets done, and is hush-hush until after Dec. 7th. No use giving up a potential 1st rounder for him, even if we will get one back for Gordon.

Yankees1962
11-29-05, 07:39 AM
I think thi sgets done, and is hush-hush until after Dec. 7th. No use giving up a potential 1st rounder for him, even if we will get one back for Gordon.
It's too late for being hush-hush if NY papers are reporting on it. Also, I'll be surprise if the Red Sox don't offer arbitration anyway, since I don't think they have any other lefty relievers under contract.

MisterNovember
11-29-05, 07:54 AM
I'd be plenty happy if the Yanks signed Farnsworth and Meyers...hopefully these rumors are true.

ojo
11-29-05, 08:50 AM
We're going to get a pick from whoever signs Gordon, it seems he's almost out the door.

who cares. honestly - he is arguably the worst post season pitcher in memory. just let the guy go.

ppa79
11-29-05, 08:57 AM
I don't want him if he is going to cost us a 1st round pick. He isn't worth it.

NewEraYanks2527
11-29-05, 09:00 AM
I'd be plenty happy if the Yanks signed Farnsworth and Meyers...hopefully these rumors are true.I'm with you on that. That means we would have one more competent lefty in the pen then we did all of last year.

23and2
11-29-05, 09:08 AM
I'm with you on that. That means we would have one more competent lefty in the pen then we did all of last year.

Or the year before, unless I forgot someone! I'd also be glad if we brought in both Myers and Farnsworth. Compliment to Mo and Sturtze, mix and match some internal solutions (with 2 of the 7 starters available in the pen as well) and you've got the makings of a "reliable" pen. At this point I'll take reliable.

YankeeStripes
11-29-05, 09:24 AM
a bullpen of:

Myers
Farnsworth
Sturtze
Wright
Small
Rivera

would be solid, but not intimidating.

MisterNovember
11-29-05, 09:28 AM
a bullpen of:

Myers
Farnsworth
Sturtze
Wright
Small
Rivera

would be solid, but not intimidating.

I'd prefer simply a "solid" bullpen to overspending for middle relief.

I still have a feeling that Wright may be a pleasant surprise if Torre trusts him to pitch the 7th or 8th inning.

gdn
11-29-05, 09:32 AM
If he is a type B, don't we give up a second round pick?

surge511
11-29-05, 09:34 AM
Sign Meyers and Farnsworth, and sign Gordon after he realizes he won't be signed as a closer. Bullpen
Mo - Gordon - Farnsworth - Sturtze - Wright - Small - Meyers

That to me is a good pen. Cox will probably be ready by September, so if one of the top 3 setup guys fails, there will be someone to take his place. Get it done, Cash.

Yankees1962
11-29-05, 09:38 AM
Sign Meyers and Farnsworth, and sign Gordon after he realizes he won't be signed as a closer. Bullpen
Mo - Gordon - Farnsworth - Sturtze - Wright - Small - Meyers

That to me is a good pen. Cox will probably be ready by September, so if one of the top 3 setup guys fails, there will be someone to take his place. Get it done, Cash.
Gordon will be signed by somebody as a closer.

NYYBombshell
11-29-05, 09:45 AM
Just how many former Red Sox relief pitchers do we need?

dabomb2045
11-29-05, 09:45 AM
Sign Meyers and Farnsworth, and sign Gordon after he realizes he won't be signed as a closer. Bullpen
Mo - Gordon - Farnsworth - Sturtze - Wright - Small - Meyers

That to me is a good pen. Cox will probably be ready by September, so if one of the top 3 setup guys fails, there will be someone to take his place. Get it done, Cash.

lets see Cox succeed in the minors before we assume he will be a part of our pen

Myers would be a nice pickup....but Im not a fan of Farnsworth. Either way, I dont like our bullpen very much at all. At this point there just doesnt seem to be much out there, the only guy we really needed (Ryan) we didnt get. I think were gonna go into the season with an below average to average bullpen.

gdn
11-29-05, 09:49 AM
lets see Cox succeed in the minors before we assume he will be a part of our pen

Myers would be a nice pickup....but Im not a fan of Farnsworth. Either way, I dont like our bullpen very much at all. At this point there just doesnt seem to be much out there, the only guy we really needed (Ryan) we didnt get. I think were gonna go into the season with an below average to average bullpen.Cox WILL be a part of the pen, end of next year at the very latest.

His numbers:
1-2, 2.60 ERA, 27.2IP, 1HR, 5BB, 27SO

dabomb2045
11-29-05, 09:52 AM
Cox WILL be a part of the pen, end of next year at the very latest.

His numbers:
1-2, 2.60 ERA, 27.2IP, 1HR, 5BB, 27SO


we shall see....when he puts up lights out numbers at AAA, wake me up

gdn
11-29-05, 10:10 AM
we shall see....when he puts up lights out numbers at AAA, wake me upHansen - everyone's favorite relief pitcher not taken by the Yanks last year, didn't even pitch in AAA. He pitched a few innings in AA, was shut down and then went straight to the majors.

Double standards...

dabomb2045
11-29-05, 10:11 AM
Hansen - everyone's favorite relief pitcher not taken by the Yanks last year, didn't even pitch in AAA. He pitched a few innings in AA, was shut down and then went straight to the majors.

Double standards...


well Cox's stuff isnt as good as Hansen's...remains to be seen who ends up being the better pitcher

MisterNovember
11-29-05, 10:15 AM
Just how many former Red Sox relief pitchers do we need?

Whats the difference who he used to play for? Meyers would be the effective LOOGY that this team has been needing for years now.

gdn
11-29-05, 10:17 AM
well Cox's stuff isnt as good as Hansen's...remains to be seen who ends up being the better pitcherUmm, ok. You just lost all credibility with that argument.

dabomb2045
11-29-05, 10:18 AM
Umm, ok. You just lost all credibility with that argument.


I faced Hansen in college...I know what kind of stuff he has.

gdn
11-29-05, 10:20 AM
I faced Hansen in college...I know what kind of stuff he has.That's irrelevant. My point was that Cox's numbers show he did well and that in my opinion, he will be in the bigs next year. You said show me when he performs; I did. He's pitched in college and needs less time than most others to move through the system. Why does one have to "prove himself" and the other doesn't? Cox acquitted himself very well pitching in college.

ICEBERG18
11-29-05, 10:24 AM
While there was a rumor yesterday -- in the wake of the high-priced deals given B.J. Ryan and Billy Wagner -- that the Yankees were close to signing Farnsworth and lefty Mike Myers, it was shot down by general manager Brian Cashman.

"We're obviously making our phone calls to clubs and agents," Cashman said, "but nothing to show for it at this point."

dabomb2045
11-29-05, 10:26 AM
That's irrelevant. My point was that Cox's numbers show he did well and that in my opinion, he will be in the bigs next year. You said show me when he performs; I did. He's pitched in college and needs less time than most others to move through the system. Why does one have to "prove himself" and the other doesn't? Cox acquitted himself very well pitching in college.


well everyone "projects" Cox to be in the bigs next year...but I want to see him dominate in the minors first before I get all excited about him and pencil him into our bullpen plans.

Hansen hasnt proved anything yet for that matter either...the Sox rushed him up and he was very shaky in his few outings.

gdn
11-29-05, 10:27 AM
well everyone "projects" Cox to be in the bigs next year...but I want to see him dominate in the minors first before I get all excited about him and pencil him into our bullpen plans.

Hansen hasnt proved anything yet for that matter either...the Sox rushed him up and he was very shaky in his few outings.As I have said before, Cox did very well in his stint in the minors last year. I showed you the numbers.

dabomb2045
11-29-05, 10:31 AM
As I have said before, Cox did very well in his stint in the minors last year. I showed you the numbers.


a) what level was he at?

b) it was only 27 innings

let him be at AAA for at least half a season....and let me see him dominate. When he does that, I'll pencil him to our pen.

gdn
11-29-05, 10:33 AM
a) what level was he at?

b) it was only 27 innings

let him be at AAA for at least half a season....and let me see him dominate. When he does that, I'll pencil him to our pen.You do realize that he might even go to AAA. He doesn't have to pitch in AAA. Another half season at AA like this one and he'll be sent straight to the majors.

He was at High-A.

dabomb2045
11-29-05, 10:35 AM
You do realize that he might even go to AAA. He doesn't have to pitch in AAA. Another half season at AA like this one and he'll be sent straight to the majors.

He was at High-A.


we'll see what happens. Success at High A is one thing....if he starts the season and puts up great numbers at higher levels, then I'll start to get excited.

gdn
11-29-05, 10:36 AM
we'll see what happens. Success at High A is one thing....if he starts the season and puts up great numbers at higher levels, then I'll start to get excited.If I recall correctly, he started at High-A because he had just pitched in the college WS and needed a break.

Well, time will tell. At this point, he projects to be a good set-up man. If he gets better, he might become closer material.

JeffWeaverFan
11-29-05, 11:04 AM
I've always said that I only want a lefty reliever on this team if he is a true LOOGY. Myers fills that bill. I do wonder if it is a bit of a waste to have a guy on the roster that just comes in for 1 guy. Either way, I think he would be a good signing and he would definitely be useful against the big leftys in the league. I really hope we sign Farnsworth though.

Stupid Flanders
11-29-05, 11:38 AM
I've always said that I only want a lefty reliever on this team if he is a true LOOGY. Myers fills that bill. I do wonder if it is a bit of a waste to have a guy on the roster that just comes in for 1 guy. Either way, I think he would be a good signing and he would definitely be useful against the big leftys in the league. I really hope we sign Farnsworth though.He's Ortiz insurance.

sugmasterflex
11-29-05, 11:42 AM
I would be shocked if it's actually Mike Myers that would cost the Yankees a first round pick. You don't think they are going to sign ANYONE else higher on the compensation list? Plus, Mike Myers, as bad as he is, has about 10 times the chance of contributing more to the Yankees than the average 3rd round pick.


I would rather have Christian Garcia than Mike Myers, especially since the LOOGY spot can be resolved internally w/ either Leiter or Matt Smith.

nyctalopia
11-29-05, 11:44 AM
I would rather have Christian Garcia than Mike Myers, especially since the LOOGY spot can be resolved internally w/ either Leiter or Matt Smith.
Leiter? I almost forgot about him. Has he decided to retire yet?

sugmasterflex
11-29-05, 11:44 AM
Now, you're changing the argument from a 1st round pick to any pick in the top 3 rounds. Anyhow, against lefty batters the last three years Myers has a .595 OPS while Eischen's had a .705 OPS. Myers has been pitching in the AL, so the Yankees know all about him and have liked him for a while and tried to get him from Seattle a couple of years ago.

I do understand your argument about the draft choice.


My point is that I don't want to give up anything more than cash to sign a LOOGY. This is not B.J. Ryan.

sugmasterflex
11-29-05, 11:45 AM
Leiter? I almost forgot about him. Has he decided to retire yet?

Still undecided, I believe.

sugmasterflex
11-29-05, 11:51 AM
I wonder if there was an agreement in place between the Yanks and Myers that if the BoSox don't offer him arbitration, the Yanks will sign him. Now it will be interesting to see what happens after the Post story.

ZIM 2002
11-29-05, 12:08 PM
I'd prefer Leiter as the LOOGY to another ex red sock. Maybe I'm just biased.

Yankyfan
11-29-05, 12:09 PM
I was hoping we would give Matt Smith that shot.

Dooley Womack
11-29-05, 12:11 PM
Weren't Myers and the Sox close to a deal a couple of weeks ago?

Stupid Flanders
11-29-05, 12:11 PM
I'd prefer Leiter as the LOOGY to another ex red sock. Maybe I'm just biased.
You'd have to be. Myers is incredibly more effective against lefties and has a lot more experience out of the pen.

StaceyRosie
11-29-05, 12:12 PM
Scwhing

MiamiKat
11-29-05, 12:15 PM
I'd prefer Leiter as the LOOGY to another ex red sock. Maybe I'm just biased.
2005 OPS against lefty batters:

Myers = .407
Leiter = .669

If you're choosing between the two, bring on Myers.

Michaels07
11-29-05, 12:17 PM
I was hoping we would give Matt Smith that shot.

Stay within the organization.

Yankyfan
11-29-05, 12:17 PM
How about keep the pick and the cash and go with Smith.

mbn007
11-29-05, 12:18 PM
Cox pitched in many important games in his college career, following in the footsteps of H. Street. While Cox may not be a Huston Street, he will be a solid addition to the Trenton pen to start 2006.

He may never make it to AAA, as if he pitches well, he might be up in NY after mid-season. His stuff seems very good, based on the scouting reports. 5 walks, 27 ks in 27 innings is a small sample, but is quite OK in my book.

mbn007
11-29-05, 12:20 PM
I was hoping we would give Matt Smith that shot.

I truly believe that Smith is in the running, regardless if Myers is signed.

Yankyfan
11-29-05, 12:20 PM
He's an potion but if your looking lefty Smith did well against lefties this year in AAA.

Yankyfan
11-29-05, 12:21 PM
I don't know about that being Smith was slotted as the LOOGY.

38Special
11-29-05, 12:22 PM
Oh great lets give everyone in the pen a guaranteed contract that is sure to lead to happiness

Dooley Womack
11-29-05, 12:25 PM
Scwhing

:lol: Did you have your cawfee this morn? I'm all verklempt. Tawk amongst yourselves.

Dooley Womack
11-29-05, 12:26 PM
2005 OPS against lefty batters:

Myers = .407
Leiter = .669

If you're choosing between the two, bring on Myers.

No doubt.

Yankyfan
11-29-05, 12:32 PM
I know it not our way but we have some farm options this year for the pen.We have Smith,Henn,Cox and Beam had a real good AFL season.At this point the only guy I would go for is Farnsworth and only at the right price.

AJW
11-29-05, 12:47 PM
Typical New York Post





http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/113324718996070.xml&coll=1

What do you expect from that rag they call The Post?

Stupid Flanders
11-29-05, 12:55 PM
I was hoping we would give Matt Smith that shot.There can be 2 lefties in the 'pen

Brent
11-29-05, 12:59 PM
God why even get Myers? Matt Smith has been doing great, plus if they pinch hit with a righty Matt might actually be able to get the righty out.

Evil Empire
11-29-05, 01:00 PM
Yipee?

NewEraYanks2527
11-29-05, 01:05 PM
There can be 2 lefties in the 'pen
Correction there SHOULD be 2 lefties in the 'pen.

Stupid Flanders
11-29-05, 01:11 PM
Correction there SHOULD be 2 lefties in the 'pen.Yeah, my post was an attempt at dry humor.

highheat2014
11-29-05, 01:12 PM
Why does everyone think Matt Smith, who was absolutely murdered in the AFL (although it was a hitters league, he was still murdered), would be a better option for a LOOGY than a proven Mike Myers, who had a .409 OPS against vs. LHP? Sure Smith would cost less and wouldn't cost a draft pick, but at what line does the actual effectiveness of the pitcher come into play? I'm sure Smith posted good #s vs. LHH in the minors (where can I find MiL splits?) but for next year they probably wouldn't touch Myers' at the Major League level. If Myers' never sees a RHH, then he's an absolute machine. He'll probably cost around $1 mil, so it isn't a dent to the Yanks or Sox payroll. I hope the Sox keep him.

NewEraYanks2527
11-29-05, 01:15 PM
Yeah, my post was an attempt at dry humor.
I know Flanders, but I figured I'd make that point in case someone was like "wait we don't only need one?"

Quangormo
11-29-05, 01:18 PM
Who's going to cover the right side of the pen? Dana Carvey?

Seriously, Myers looks like a pretty decent pickup. The Yankees really need a lefty reliever.

Quangormo
11-29-05, 01:21 PM
I don't like giving up any pick in the top 3 rounds for him. Why not go after Joey Eischen who is a type C, better, and wouldn't cost us a pick (Nats would get 2nd rd. supplemental)?
I'e had the chance to watch Eischen, and though he had some injuries last season he is a very good lefty reliever. I'd love to have him.

Quangormo
11-29-05, 01:33 PM
It's too late for being hush-hush if NY papers are reporting on it. Also, I'll be surprise if the Red Sox don't offer arbitration anyway, since I don't think they have any other lefty relievers under contract.
Other than Lenny DiNardo.

DiMaggio5CF
11-29-05, 01:44 PM
I like Myers. As other have said, the Yankees need a LOOGY. I wanted Rincon, but I'll be happy with Myers.

Don't want Farnsworth though. I don't think he's very good and I shudder to think what the Yankees will have to pay him. Plus, he'll cost the Yankees their first round draft pick, no?

jyjjy
11-29-05, 01:58 PM
I definitely don't want to see Leiter re-signed as part of our pen. He is one of Joe's guys and if he is on the team Joe would not limit him to a LOOGY role, wether he is effective in other situations or not.

ryanthe13th
11-29-05, 02:19 PM
Leiter can only go one inning out of the bullpen before he starts getting mashed. He filled the role of spot starter for us mediocrely last year. Al Leiter is a great guy, but he should hang up the cleats.

As for Myers, I'm not very excited. Signing him would be the Yankee thing to do though, since we tend to sign guys after one of their best years, despite them having mediocre ones for most of their career. His career ERA of 4.30 worries me, and so does him being 36. It'd be a roll of the dice.

Farnsworth is going to be a Yankee, so I might as well get over it.

27IsNext
11-29-05, 02:54 PM
My dream: Myers, Sturtze, Wright, Farnsworth, J.B. Cox, Rivera.

Stupid Flanders
11-29-05, 02:56 PM
My dream: Myers, Sturtze, Wright, Farnsworth, J.B. Cox, Rivera.
Add Smith in there. However, Small will probably be there instead.

Skaggs09
11-29-05, 03:40 PM
I agree. He dominated at High-A Tampa straight out of collage. He will probabley be the closer in AA Trenton. I think he will be a September Callup and be a full-time setup man in 2007. Then he can set-up for Rivera like Rivera did with Wetteland.

ppa79
11-29-05, 03:46 PM
I agree. He dominated at High-A Tampa straight out of collage. He will probabley be the closer in AA Trenton. I think he will be a September Callup and be a full-time setup man in 2007. Then he can set-up for Rivera like Rivera did with Wetteland.

I think he'll be up sooner. Maybe mid-season.

ppa79
11-29-05, 03:47 PM
As for Myers, I'm not very excited. Signing him would be the Yankee thing to do though, since we tend to sign guys after one of their best years, despite them having mediocre ones for most of their career. His career ERA of 4.30 worries me, and so does him being 36. It'd be a roll of the dice.



Same here. Plus I don't want to give up a draft pick for him

Yankeeah
11-29-05, 03:49 PM
I know little about Cox except that we picked him over Hanson cause he has a higher ceiling. What does he throw?

ppa79
11-29-05, 03:53 PM
I know little about Cox except that we picked him over Hanson cause he has a higher ceiling. What does he throw?

Hanson was picked before Cox. We picked Henry over Hanson.

bostonyankeefan
11-29-05, 03:59 PM
Myers is a mediocre underhander at best. I would hope that we could do better. Another castaway from the Sux. This is discouraging.

MattUNC2003
11-29-05, 04:02 PM
I know little about Cox except that we picked him over Hanson cause he has a higher ceiling. What does he throw?

VERY good hard slider and a decent upper 80's-low 90's fastball.

I watched him in the College World Series and was thoroughly impressed by his stuff. I think the Yanks chose him over Hansen because Cox had gotten a good bit of big game experience pitching for Texas.

I think Cox will pan out pretty darn well. Hansen would worry me because of his delivery. Apparently, his arm motion is completely unnatural and I read somewhere that some people expect him to have a major injury sometime in the near future if he doesn't fix it.

Yankeeah
11-29-05, 04:03 PM
Myers is a mediocre underhander at best. I would hope that we could do better. Another castaway from the Sux. This is discouraging.

He's murder on lefties, whether or not you want him on the team, he can get a lefty otu like no ones business.


Hanson was picked before Cox. We picked Henry over Hanson.

Well I'm just way off today apparently.

AMYanks
11-29-05, 04:08 PM
I'm guessing Cashman has this thing under control, and will just wait until 12/7 until he signs him.

For two years at a relatively low salary (which is what I'd expect), I'd take Myers as a LOOGY. Over the course of his career, he has been a great reliever against lefty hitters. As long as he doesn't face a righty, he'll be good.

ppa79
11-29-05, 04:45 PM
If the red sox offer Myers arbitration then I want no part of him. If the red sox don't offer him arbitration, then I would consider it.

yankeefan in MA
11-29-05, 06:06 PM
Myers is a mediocre underhander at best. I would hope that we could do better. Another castaway from the Sux. This is discouraging.

This was my initial reaction of this guy, but I must say I thought he was very effective in his role for the Red Sox last year. Compared to our lefty relievers over the last few seasons (Heredia, White, Stanton, Franklin...) he would be a huge upgrade. I would be surprised if the Red Sox did not offer him arbitration.

AMYanks
11-29-05, 06:13 PM
Myers is a mediocre underhander at best. I would hope that we could do better. Another castaway from the Sux. This is discouraging.

His #'s are inflated because he's horrible against righties.

But he has been great against lefties. If used as a LOOGY, and ONLY as that, he can be extremely effective.

puckmaster87
11-29-05, 06:25 PM
Myers is the ultimate LOOGY. His numbers against lefties are amazing. However, use him against righties and he falls apart.

brosiusbuddy
11-29-05, 06:31 PM
Myers is a mediocre underhander at best. I would hope that we could do better. Another castaway from the Sux. This is discouraging.

What about his 3.13 overall era and his .158 BAA vs lefties is so mediocre?

highheat2014
11-29-05, 07:35 PM
Myers is a mediocre underhander at best. I would hope that we could do better. Another castaway from the Sux. This is discouraging.

How exactly is a free agent a castaway? He's one of the top LOOGIES, if not the best, in all of baseball.

Murcer'swerebest
11-29-05, 07:52 PM
A 3.13 era when you're heavily protected by being used in platoon advantage situations isn't all that incredible.

Plus, here's the problem with a guy like Myers instead of a late 90's Stanton. Myers pitched 36 innings for Boston last year. 36 (!!!!). Having a guy like that in your bullpen forces your other setup guys and closer to pitch more innings. Every team's staff has to pitch 1450 or so innings each year. Myers does well in his 36 innings and forces the other guys in the pen to pick up 35 innings of slack for him. This might not be the best thing given how Joe has burned out relievers even without one of his guys being a pure specialist.

scull567
11-29-05, 07:58 PM
A 3.13 era when you're heavily protected by being used in platoon advantage situations isn't all that incredible.

Plus, here's the problem with a guy like Myers instead of a late 90's Stanton. Myers pitched 36 innings for Boston last year. 36 (!!!!). Having a guy like that in your bullpen forces your other setup guys and closer to pitch more innings. Every team's staff has to pitch 1450 or so innings each year. Myers does well in his 36 innings and forces the other guys in the pen to pick up 35 innings of slack for him. This might not be the best thing given how Joe has burned out relievers even without one of his guys being a pure specialist.

Exactly, Myers can go weeks without pitching. And alot of times he can't even be used against certain teams because they will just pinch hit with a righty off the bench. Seeing as they'd have to give up a draft pick as well, I wouldnt go for Myers.

Jaeho
11-29-05, 08:11 PM
Plus, here's the problem with a guy like Myers instead of a late 90's Stanton. Myers pitched 36 innings for Boston last year. 36 (!!!!).

He also pitched in 65 games. What does that tell you? He is a one batter weapon. Used right, his numbers indicate he can be very effective. We have no one in our bullpen(outside of Rivera) that neutralizes a left handed batter late in the game.

You are also not taking into account the times where he forces the other manager into pinch hitting for his left handed batter. Usually with an inferior hitter. This also helps our right handed relievers who would then get the call.

The 3.13 is very misleading since it probably reflects the times he was left in to face a righty and they nailed him. His 2000 season in Colorado is the way he should be used. About 80 games and 45-50 innings.

scull567
11-29-05, 08:19 PM
You are also not taking into account the times where he forces the other manager into pinch hitting for his left handed batter. Usually with an inferior hitter. This also helps our right handed relievers who would then get the call.


Except once a pitcher is in he has to face a batter. Righties hit him like Barry Bonds hits everyone. Francona last year only could use him when either the opposing team didnt have a good righty off the bench or if it was a star player that they would no ph either for.

ryanthe13th
11-29-05, 08:26 PM
You guys are talking about Myers being used right, and are forgetting that Joe Torre is managing this team.

whalers
11-29-05, 08:44 PM
Francona last year only could use him when either the opposing team didnt have a good righty off the bench or if it was a star player that they would no ph either for.

Is it worth it to pick him up to face guys like ortiz in the late innings. I think so as long as one of the new coaches can show Torre how to use a lefty specialist.

yanksphan
11-29-05, 08:48 PM
You guys are talking about Myers being used right, and are forgetting that Joe Torre is managing this team.

To be fair - Torre loves the LOOGY as evidenced by his use of Embree this year. Problem was, Embree wasn't any good.

RhodeyYankee2638
11-29-05, 08:49 PM
You guys are talking about Myers being used right, and are forgetting that Joe Torre is managing this team.

grrrrr, so true. He will put Meyers in against righties. Leiter, although he can't locate a ball anymore, was solid out of the pen against lefties last year. I'd rather have him than Meyers

JeffWeaverFan
11-29-05, 08:49 PM
You guys are talking about Myers being used right, and are forgetting that Joe Torre is managing this team.
One of Torre's weaknesses is that he is not a good bullpen manager, but I always felt that one of the reasons why is because he relied too much on the lefty-lefty matchups, even if our lefty (Heredia, Embree, Stanton, Gabe White, Groom) were no good and were not true LOOGY's. So, I think Myers would be used properly by Torre as he loves the lefty-lefty matchup and Myers is the right guy for that job.

RhodeyYankee2638
11-29-05, 08:50 PM
To be fair - Torre loves the LOOGY as evidenced by his use of Embree this year. Problem was, Embree wasn't any good.

Nah, he let Embree face righties. Remember the Konerko bomb in the 8th inning of a 2-1 loss. Great strategum

AMYanks
11-29-05, 08:55 PM
Nah, he let Embree face righties. Remember the Konerko bomb in the 8th inning of a 2-1 loss. Great strategum

Yep. The problem will be that Torre uses Myers too much against righties. If he is signed, I hope Cashman makes it clear that Myers is strictly a LOOGY.

goin for 27
11-29-05, 08:58 PM
Myers is a mediocre underhander at best. I would hope that we could do better. Another castaway from the Sux. This is discouraging.

Come on now. Myers is NASTY as a LOOGY.

2005 vs LHH = .70 WHIP .158 BAA

Career vs LHH = 1.16 WHIP .207 BAA

The guy can get lefties out. He can be exposed facing righties, but correctly used, he would be most valuable to the relief corp.

Stinks to give up the pick to the Sox, but he would be a fine addition to the Yankees.

goin for 27
11-29-05, 09:04 PM
A 3.13 era when you're heavily protected by being used in platoon advantage situations isn't all that incredible.

Plus, here's the problem with a guy like Myers instead of a late 90's Stanton. Myers pitched 36 innings for Boston last year. 36 (!!!!). Having a guy like that in your bullpen forces your other setup guys and closer to pitch more innings. Every team's staff has to pitch 1450 or so innings each year. Myers does well in his 36 innings and forces the other guys in the pen to pick up 35 innings of slack for him. This might not be the best thing given how Joe has burned out relievers even without one of his guys being a pure specialist.

HE IS A LOOGY. He is not a middle relief pitcher or a set up man. He is a guy who comes in and gets a tough lefty out in a big spot. There is huge value there, and the Yanks have not had that in a long time.

It is not about innings, he will not eat innings. Forget the 36 innings, it is appearances. He appeared in 65 games last year. That is what matters. "picking up slack" is not what the other pitchers are doing, they are doing there job. Is Mo slacking because he never reaches 100 innings a season? Of course not, he is a closer.

Sure, if Torre tries to squeeze an inning out of him and has him facing righties in a close game, he will get burned, but I rather see Myers coming in than Felix Heredia, or Alan Embree.

Vin
11-29-05, 09:09 PM
Myers would be a great pickup. If use against left handed batters only; he'll be very effective. He's a better pick over Leiter and Embree

Vin
11-29-05, 09:14 PM
I'd prefer Leiter as the LOOGY to another ex red sock. Maybe I'm just biased.

In a close game against the Sux, who would you rather pitch to Ortiz: Leiter, Embree or Myers?

yanksphan
11-29-05, 09:17 PM
In a close game against the Sux, who would you rather pitch to Ortiz: Leiter, Embree or Myers?

Rick Vaughn - sans glasses.

DandyAndy46
11-29-05, 09:41 PM
In a close game against the Sux, who would you rather pitch to Ortiz: Leiter, Embree or Myers?


Leiter

AMYanks
11-29-05, 09:46 PM
Leiter

Do you enjoy losing?

nyg02005
11-29-05, 09:46 PM
In a close game against the Sux, who would you rather pitch to Ortiz: Leiter, Embree or Myers?

Sometimes it is better to walk him.

bigguygonz
11-29-05, 10:22 PM
Mike Myers is best known for his work in October

http://photos1.blogger.com/hello/108/8202/640/Halloween2.jpg

JeffWeaverFan
11-29-05, 10:33 PM
Yep. The problem will be that Torre uses Myers too much against righties. If he is signed, I hope Cashman makes it clear that Myers is strictly a LOOGY.
I disagree. I think Torre will use him as a LOOGY and that's it. He did it with Graeme Lloyd very well and I think he'd take the similar route with Myers. We really haven't had a true LOOGY since Lloyd if I remember correctly.

TheGameEpisode2
11-29-05, 10:54 PM
If we sign Myers I would really hope the Yanks look for somebody like Rudy Seanez to come in for him to face the righties and maybe even finish off the inning.

Sturtze I guess I could live with too, but he really fell off in the second half. And if the Farnsworth rumor is true a pen of

Wright (Mop-Up)
Sturtze (Middle)
Small (Middle)
Myers (Lefty Specailist)
Seanez (Righty specialist- .220 BAA, Possible Set-Up)
Farnsworth (Set-Up)
Rivera (Closer)

Very solid bullpen with two small signings, a option pick up, and a set-up dude.

Yanks21
11-29-05, 11:16 PM
The Yankees are also supposedly talking with Joey Eischen...

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spyside1130,0,4186545.story?coll=ny-sports-headlines

TommyK8
11-29-05, 11:29 PM
Here is my unbiased scouting report on Mike Myers. Myers will be 37 next June. He is particularly effective against lefties, who always hit poorly against him. He is most effective when he has good control. He cannot be left in against righties or there will be trouble and fast. Righthanded hitters hit .385 against him in 2005 and .344 against him in 2004. He is best suited to a team which has a deep bullpen, because he can't absorb too many innings since the majority of his appearances are only to face 1 batter. Myers had a good year last year, but the 3 previous years he posted ERA's over 4. He is a cheap ($600,000 last year) situation lefty who will be complementary in the right bullpen. The Red Sox will offer him arbitration on Dec. 7 because he only made $600,000 last year and would not be at a risk to get a big raise, and he's a Type B free agent and they would get a compensatory draft pick in return. The Red Sox actually let him go after the 2004 season, and he signed a one-year free agent contract with the Cardinals, but the Red Sox traded a minor leaguer for him in Spring Training 2005 to get him back.

DandyAndy46
11-29-05, 11:53 PM
Do you enjoy losing?

Did you watch the playoffs this year?? Big Al got some Big Outs for the Bombers

AMYanks
11-29-05, 11:58 PM
Did you watch the playoffs this year?? Big Al got some Big Outs for the Bombers

Maybe, but he was bad for the most part last year. Why pass up someone who has proved for many years now that he can get left-handed hitters out? Leiter would probably ask for more money than Myers would.

And, knowing Torre, he would think Leiter has more left in the tank than he truly does.

DandyAndy46
11-30-05, 12:08 AM
Maybe, but he was bad for the most part last year. Why pass up someone who has proved for many years now that he can get left-handed hitters out? Leiter would probably ask for more money than Myers would.

And, knowing Torre, he would think Leiter has more left in the tank than he truly does.

When you say he was bad, you're referring to Al's starts...

And I agree with you on Torre

terminator
11-30-05, 12:11 AM
What should the Yankees offer Myers ($ and years)?

He made 600k last year, and is eligible for arbitration. So you'd figure the Yankees would have to offer him a 2 year contract. Or give him a substantial raise.

AMYanks
11-30-05, 12:12 AM
When you say he was bad, you're referring to Al's starts...

And I agree with you on Torre

Not really. Al's ERA as a reliever was 5.51.

AMYanks
11-30-05, 12:13 AM
What should the Yankees offer Myers ($ and years)?

He made 600k last year, and is eligible for arbitration. So you'd figure the Yankees would have to offer him a 2 year contract. Or give him a substantial raise.

I'd give him 2 yrs., $2-3M. That's a nice little raise, for a LOOGY. I think he'd accept that.

Dooley Womack
11-30-05, 12:55 AM
I'd give him 2 yrs., $2-3M. That's a nice little raise, for a LOOGY. I think he'd accept that.

Considering he "only" made 600k last year, that should be a fair offer and could get it done.

Dooley Womack
11-30-05, 12:58 AM
What should the Yankees offer Myers ($ and years)?

He made 600k last year, and is eligible for arbitration. So you'd figure the Yankees would have to offer him a 2 year contract. Or give him a substantial raise.

Hey, t, if you see this maybe you can answer. Wasn't it reported that Myers re-signed or was close to re-signing with the Sox a couple of weeks ago? If so, what happened? I've asked a couple of times and no one has responded.

terminator
11-30-05, 01:18 AM
Hey, t, if you see this maybe you can answer. Wasn't it reported that Myers re-signed or was close to re-signing with the Sox a couple of weeks ago? If so, what happened? I've asked a couple of times and no one has responded.

Mike Myers is so last season. :)

There hasn't been much coverage with regards to Myers - which is an absolute shame :) - but the word was that the Sox were working on signing him to a "deal". Whether it was
a 1 year deal or more - or whether they simply planned on offering him arbitration - who knows. He has kinda slipped under the radar.

Dooley Womack
11-30-05, 01:40 AM
Mike Myers is so last season. :)

There hasn't been much coverage with regards to Myers - which is an absolute shame :) - but the word was that the Sox were working on signing him to a "deal". Whether it was
a 1 year deal or more - or whether they simply planned on offering him arbitration - who knows. He has kinda slipped under the radar.

Thanks for the reponse. I am 99.9% sure that I read that he was on the verge of signing in either the Globe or Herald. So much for that.

For a LOOGY I'll gladly take him off Boston's hands. :)

highheat2014
11-30-05, 07:40 AM
Did you watch the playoffs this year?? Big Al got some Big Outs for the Bombers

Well, he made Darin "Still the Most Overrated Player in Baseball" Erstad his whipping boy for the series, and got a free out when Vlad decided to try to steal down 3. Myers could've easily done that. He's a superior LOOGY to Leiter.

rightfielder21
11-30-05, 08:01 AM
I hope he does his "Fat Bastard" and "Dr. Evil" impressions in the bullpen...

ring403
11-30-05, 08:07 AM
Considering he "only" made 600k last year, that should be a fair offer and could get it done.The market for relievers has changed drastically this season. The deals given to Ryan and Wagner are going to have a "trickle down" effect on the setup men, and middle relievers. I really wouldn't be surprised to see a LOOGY go for $1.5 million.

ppa79
11-30-05, 08:08 AM
I'll wait to see if the Red Sox offer him arbitration. If they do, then forget it. He isn't worth a draft pick.

Fabien Brandy
11-30-05, 08:39 AM
I'll wait to see if the Red Sox offer him arbitration. If they do, then forget it. He isn't worth a draft pick.
Because Boston was interested in bringing him back and he made crap, unfortunately I think an arb offer to Myers is a no brainer.

NYDCYankee
11-30-05, 08:40 AM
Because Boston was interested in bringing him back and he made crap, unfortunately I think an arb offer to Myers is a no brainer.

so do i. particularly since they don't have a lefty in their pen and they are looking at the same limited options that we are.

ieddyi
11-30-05, 08:48 AM
Thanks for the reponse. I am 99.9% sure that I read that he was on the verge of signing in either the Globe or Herald. So much for that.

For a LOOGY I'll gladly take him off Boston's hands. :)

We definitely need to wait till after arbitration- he's not worth a draft pick.
We'd also need to make sure that Torre realiazes he shouldn't pitch against righties- a trait he has shown over the years not to have a clue about

Yankees1962
11-30-05, 08:53 AM
We definitely need to wait till after arbitration- he's not worth a draft pick.
We'd also need to make sure that Torre realiazes he shouldn't pitch against righties- a trait he has shown over the years not to have a clue about
Even if you wait until after arbitration, the Red Sox will probably offer him arbitration if they haven't signed a replacement for him.

sugmasterflex
11-30-05, 10:13 AM
If the red sox offer Myers arbitration then I want no part of him. If the red sox don't offer him arbitration, then I would consider it.

This is my thinking as well.

sugmasterflex
11-30-05, 10:20 AM
My guess would be at this point the Yanks are looking at Farnsworth or Gordon, and Eischen or Myers. I hope it's Farnsworth and Eischen that get signed. If they sign Farnsworth, I think Cashman let's Gordon go.

ieddyi
11-30-05, 10:42 AM
Even if you wait until after arbitration, the Red Sox will probably offer him arbitration if they haven't signed a replacement for him.

There's a dealine for offering arbitration though- Dec 7 th I think