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Dooley Womack
12-15-05, 07:13 PM
at that time there was 2 years left to it and it's not like we gave up prospects for him. It was a mistake for a mistake.

It was a tragedy for a mistake. And just who made the mistake of trading for Weaver in the first place? You got it. Cashman.

YankeePride1967
12-15-05, 07:14 PM
Cashman decided to take it on. Are you actually justifying the Yanks taking on perhaps the worst contract in baseball history because Cashman was the culprit?

So because Cashman decided to take on that contract (which NO ONE in here opposed at the time) then we should continue to make dumb moves in operpaying for a guy in Nomar who has been hurt probably more than Brown. Makes sense.

RobbiMan
12-15-05, 07:14 PM
Yhency Brazoban disagrees.

beat me to it

I Love Wang
12-15-05, 07:14 PM
Ah, the same organization that gave a 34 year old Kevin Brown a 7 year deal and is rumored to be dumb enough to offer Damon a 5 year deal. Maybe they feel kind and offer Nomar the 4/60 deal he turned down in Boston!

Don't forget giving Derek Lowe $36 million.

Dooley Womack
12-15-05, 07:15 PM
So because Cashman decided to take on that contract (which NO ONE in here opposed at the time) then we should continue to make dumb moves in operpaying for a guy in Nomar who has been hurt probably more than Brown. Makes sense.

No, but Cashman is responsible for some of the worst moves this team has made in their history.

YankeePride1967
12-15-05, 07:15 PM
It was a tragedy for a mistake. And just who made the mistake of trading for Weaver in the first place? You got it. Cashman.

You have just proven Brian Cashman is not the perfect GM.

YankeePride1967
12-15-05, 07:16 PM
No, but Cashman is responsible for some of the worst moves this team has made in their history.

There's two yes. But hey, Tampa did bring us Womack and Wright.

Dooley Womack
12-15-05, 07:16 PM
You have just proven Brian Cashman is not the perfect GM.

Very far from perfect.

YankeePride1967
12-15-05, 07:17 PM
Yhency Brazoban disagrees.

Yes he is good.

Dooley Womack
12-15-05, 07:18 PM
There's two yes. But hey, Tampa did bring us Womack and Wright.

I'd love to bring up the list of Cashman boners that I posted here a couple of weeks back but I have to run. Maybe later. You'll be astounded. Somebody asked for five I believe. I provided like 13 and could have gone on.

YankeePride1967
12-15-05, 07:19 PM
Very far from perfect.

yes, we know you hate him more than Sierra Mist loved Sierra, we know. it goes way beyond that. Kind of hard to knock Cashman when the comparison is the Elmslie/Steinbrenner fan approach. If they were in charge Damon would be here for 7/84 and Nomar would be here for a good 4/50.

Dooley Womack
12-15-05, 07:20 PM
Do you actually know Brian Cashman is sitting around the office downloading porn or is that just an assumption?

Do you actually know that Cashman is doing an excellent or even good job or is that an assumption as well?

YankeePride1967
12-15-05, 07:20 PM
Hopefully Cashman is right on top of this and flying out to meet Nomar as all good GM's do when they desire a player.

For good players, yes, would a GM go flying cross cost to woo a backup player? No. But Brian could follow the Tampa way and outbid everyone by offering Nomar 4/50 when no one else would give him 2.

YankeePride1967
12-15-05, 07:22 PM
Do you actually know that Cashman is doing an excellent or even good job or is that an assumption as well?

How about this for a novel approach. How about we evaluate him on the final product instead of assuming on 12/15 that Andy Phillips will be our starting 1B, just like two weeks ago you pretty much had Tanyon Sturtze written in as our set up man. If open on 4/4 with Phillips at first and Crosby in CF I will criticize him then. But I believe in being fair.

Dooley Womack
12-15-05, 07:23 PM
yes, we know you hate him more than Sierra Mist loved Sierra, we know. it goes way beyond that. Kind of hard to knock Cashman when the comparison is the Elmslie/Steinbrenner fan approach. If they were in charge Damon would be here for 7/84 and Nomar would be here for a good 4/50.
And we know that you have this unexplained fascination with Cashman for some unknown reason and a hatred for GS and Tampa that rivals Sierra Mist

George really s*cks doesn't he!? I mean we haven't had a ring in 5 whole years! The playoffs every year isn't good enough! Bad George! Good Cashman for trying to change all this!

StaceyRosie
12-15-05, 07:23 PM
Hey Dooley I guess your whipping boy dujour is Cashman this month? Who will it be for January?

RhodeyYankee2638
12-15-05, 07:24 PM
Very far from perfect.

*cough* Felix Heredia F-Rod Darrell May Gabe White CJ Nitkowski Donovan Osbourne Juan Acevedo Jesse Orosco

I wouldn't trust this gentleman to put togethere a bullpen

Dooley Womack
12-15-05, 07:26 PM
How about this for a novel approach. How about we evaluate him on the final product instead of assuming on 12/15 that Andy Phillips will be our starting 1B, just like two weeks ago you pretty much had Tanyon Sturtze written in as our set up man. If open on 4/4 with Phillips at first and Crosby in CF I will criticize him then. But I believe in being fair.

I've seen what Cashman has done and seen how he evaluates players. Are you forgetting he was the Yanks GM prior to this season and that some signings and trades are his reponsibility? Some pretty damn awful ones too.

Dooley Womack
12-15-05, 07:27 PM
*cough* Felix Heredia F-Rod Darrell May Gabe White CJ Nitkowski Donovan Osbourne Juan Acevedo Jesse Orosco

I wouldn't trust this gentleman to put togethere a bullpen

He was elated with 2004's starters as well. Javy and the rest of the right handers who gave us 13-12 comeback wins all year. Let's not forget OSuna who Cashman said would be the savior a few years ago

YankeePride1967
12-15-05, 07:28 PM
And we know that you have this unexplained fascination with Cashman for some unknown reason and a hatred for GS and Tampa that rivals Sierra Mist

George really s*cks doesn't he!? I mean we haven't had a ring in 5 whole years! The playoffs every year isn't good enough! Bad George! Good Cashman for trying to change all this!

Hey, if 4/4 comes and the issues aren't addressed, I'll criticize him too. But I remember last week another debate about why the Yankees didn't do all kinds of moves at the winter meetings and I brought up the issue with arbitration offerings on 12/7 and voila, we wisely wait and get Myers for no pick. If we had done it the rash way, our second round pick would be in Boston right now. I think Cashman is right now an average GM. I just like to have reason to criticize him for 2005/06 before doing so.

Your second paragraph sounds nice, but irrelevent to any point I've made at all so I'm not even going to address it. Yankee fans are spoiled and impatient, which is why George should not be in charge of moves because he's the most impatient fan of all.

YankeePride1967
12-15-05, 07:30 PM
I've seen what Cashman has done and seen how he evaluates players. Are you forgetting he was the Yanks GM prior to this season and that some signings and trades are his reponsibility? Some pretty damn awful ones too.

You are confusing me for a Cashman lover, I honestly wish he went elsewhere and we brough Theo on board (if George was more patient, maybe he would have been). But the Elmslie Wright and Womack moves? Brilliant!

Dooley Womack
12-15-05, 07:30 PM
Hey Dooley I guess your whipping boy dujour is Cashman this month? Who will it be for January?

dujour="of the day" so how could it be "this month"?

Kinda puts a damper on your attempt at being clever.

RhodeyYankee2638
12-15-05, 07:31 PM
He was elated with 2004's starters as well. Javy and the rest of the right handers who gave us 13-12 comeback wins all year. Let's not forget OSuna who Cashman said would be the savior a few years ago

I can't critisize him for Javy. He has nasty stuff, and what we traded for him was an injury plagued 1st baseman and Juan Rivera

But the man cannot put together a bullpen or a bench

Dooley Womack
12-15-05, 07:31 PM
You are confusing me for a Cashman lover, I honestly wish he went elsewhere and we brough Theo on board (if George was more patient, maybe he would have been). But the Elmslie Wright and Womack moves? Brilliant!

Is Wright and Womack your Mantra? They are nothing, salary and performance-wise compared to the lousy moves attributed to Cashman.

YankeePride1967
12-15-05, 07:32 PM
I can't critisize him for Javy. He has nasty stuff, and what we traded for him was an injury plagued 1st baseman and Juan Rivera

But the man cannot put together a bullpen or a bench

To criticize for Javy is absurd. That is the typical second guess.

Dooley Womack
12-15-05, 07:33 PM
I can't critisize him for Javy. He has nasty stuff, and what we traded for him was an injury plagued 1st baseman and Juan Rivera

But the man cannot put together a bullpen or a bench

My problem is he took Javy over Colon who was a FA and would have cost nothing. This isn't Mon morn QB either.

Cashman has no clue how to build a staff - starters or relievers - and a bench. No clue at all.

flymick24
12-15-05, 07:33 PM
Hey, if 4/4 comes and the issues aren't addressed, I'll criticize him too. But I remember last week another debate about why the Yankees didn't do all kinds of moves at the winter meetings and I brought up the issue with arbitration offerings on 12/7 and voila, we wisely wait and get Myers for no pick. If we had done it the rash way, our second round pick would be in Boston right now. I think Cashman is right now an average GM. I just like to have reason to criticize him for 2005/06 before doing so.

Your second paragraph sounds nice, but irrelevent to any point I've made at all so I'm not even going to address it. Yankee fans are spoiled and impatient, which is why George should not be in charge of moves because he's the most impatient fan of all.

it's pointless to argue with someone who believes that almost every player in MLB can be had if only cashman were doing a better job at wooing them.

YankeePride1967
12-15-05, 07:34 PM
Is Wright and Womack your Mantra? They are nothing, salary and performance-wise compared to the lousy moves attributed to Cashman.

Part of it and you are obviously picking and choosing your words so maybe if I say it again it MAAAAAAYYYY register this time. I am not a Cashman lover, I was hoping George would have the patience to wait for the Theo situation to play out in Boston and go after him. But I know the approach of overpaying for players also doesn't work.

Dooley Womack
12-15-05, 07:34 PM
To criticize for Javy is absurd. That is the typical second guess.
Aren't all disapppointments second guesses?

We could have had Colon without giving up NJ and Rivera. Period.

WebsterMulligan
12-15-05, 07:34 PM
Hey Dooley I guess your whipping boy dujour is Cashman this month? Who will it be for January?

Atleast he's sparing Giambi ...

... for the time being. ;)

RhodeyYankee2638
12-15-05, 07:35 PM
To criticize for Javy is absurd. That is the typical second guess.

Now the Pavano signing. I dont who did that, but the man has awful career numbers and pitched 1 full season in his career

Dooley Womack
12-15-05, 07:35 PM
it's pointless to argue with someone who believes that almost every player in MLB can be had if only cashman were doing a better job at wooing them.

You really must have trouble comprehending if that's what you take from my posts.

flymick24
12-15-05, 07:35 PM
My problem is he took Javy over Colon who was a FA and would have cost nothing. This isn't Mon morn QB either.

Cashman has no clue how to build a staff - starters or relievers - and a bench. No clue at all.

javy was a better pitcher than colon at that point, and considering his age and upside, was available for relatively cheap. any GM would have made that deal.

ring403
12-15-05, 07:35 PM
This thread is about Nomar Garciaparra, not a referendum on Brian Cashman as Yankee GM. Feel free to carry on the debate in an appropriate thread, or via PM. Thanks.

YankeePride1967
12-15-05, 07:35 PM
it's pointless to argue with someone who believes that almost every player in MLB can be had if only cashman were doing a better job at wooing them.

I mean it's unforgiveable that our IF isn't Pujols, Soriano, Tejada, A-Rod, Manny, Andrew Jones and Vlad in the OF and that Johan Santana isn't our number 5 starter. If our GM was doing anything he'd have it done by now.

Dooley Womack
12-15-05, 07:36 PM
Atleast he's sparing Giambi ...

... for the time being. ;)

:lol: At least her blinded obsession lasts longer than mine, I'll give her that.

JDPNYY
12-15-05, 07:37 PM
Nomar will be a Yankee.

YankeePride1967
12-15-05, 07:37 PM
Aren't all disapppointments second guesses?

We could have had Colon without giving up NJ and Rivera. Period.

I'm not going to hold that move against Cashman when everyone including Curt Schilling said Cashman made the right move in that trade. Second guessing is fine but unless you felt that way at the time, there is zero validity in criticizing for it.

Dooley Womack
12-15-05, 07:37 PM
javy was a better pitcher than colon at that point, and considering his age and upside, was available for relatively cheap. any GM would have made that deal.

Javy was better than Colon, the Expos ace, at that point ????????????????????????????

Ummmmm. Wrong

StaceyRosie
12-15-05, 07:37 PM
dujour="of the day" so how could it be "this month"?

Kinda puts a damper on your attempt at being clever.

Nah I'm still being clever. You just need to get the Cashman stick out of your ass. Like you did the Giambi stick a few months back.

You pick one person from the Yankee organization to fixate on for a period of time and you just critcize them until you can't criticize them anymore. It's actually quite amusing. I am sensing a pattern here with you. I am also sensing seeing a post from you in say 3 or 4 months saying that you weren't really bashing Cashman that you were on his side all along. You were just disappointed with him.

Gee? Sound familiar?

YankeePride1967
12-15-05, 07:38 PM
This thread is about Nomar Garciaparra, not a referendum on Brian Cashman as Yankee GM. Feel free to carry on the debate in an appropriate thread, or via PM. Thanks.

no problem, I think it's run its course anyway.

flymick24
12-15-05, 07:38 PM
You really must have trouble comprehending if that's what you take from my posts.

what i get from your posts is an utter, unfounded dislike for brian cashman. i don't worship the man by any means, but i think he doesn't get a fair knock around here. to blame him for certain FAs that the yankees were targeting signing elsewhere is just petty imo because there are so many other factors to consider when pursuing players which you seem to disregard totally. for you, it's all about the result, and at the end of the day, if the player isn't in pinstripes, it's his fault for not being aggressive enough.

i comprehend everything you say quite well actually, but your simplistic way of thinking leaves me shaking my head.

YankeePride1967
12-15-05, 07:39 PM
Now the Pavano signing. I dont who did that, but the man has awful career numbers and pitched 1 full season in his career

I agree, that was a mistake, but at least we learned from it and didn't repeat it by pursuing Burnett.

RhodeyYankee2638
12-15-05, 07:39 PM
SOOOOOOOOOOOoOOOOOO I hear Nomar is a free agent

JDPNYY
12-15-05, 07:40 PM
SOOOOOOOOOOOoOOOOOO I hear Nomar is a free agent

Garciaparra, right?

The Yankees are gonna sign that guy.

StaceyRosie
12-15-05, 07:41 PM
Wait isn't there another Nomar?

RhodeyYankee2638
12-15-05, 07:43 PM
Wait isn't there another Nomar?

Probably not, its a made up name (his dad's name Ramon backwards). And its only his middle name

Fabien Brandy
12-15-05, 07:45 PM
This thread is about Nomar Garciaparra, not a referendum on Brian Cashman as Yankee GM. Feel free to carry on the debate in an appropriate thread, or via PM. Thanks.
If Cashman does get Nomar signed, let's hope it doesn't turn out as badly as when Cashman gave up Ed Yarnall, Drew Henson, Brian Reith and Jackson Melian for 90 innings of 87 ERA+ work from Denny Neagle.

That train whistle noise got unfunny pretty quickly.

flymick24
12-15-05, 07:45 PM
Probably not, its a made up name (his dad's name Ramon backwards). And its only his middle name

yeah, but tony garciaparra just doesn't have the same ring to it

RhodeyYankee2638
12-15-05, 07:46 PM
yeah, but tony garciaparra just doesn't have the same ring to it

and us northeasterns have trouble saying Anthony (cough, Ant Knee)

JDPNYY
12-15-05, 07:47 PM
...and when the Yankees do sign him (and they will), I never want to see his first name spelled with the letters ah at the end.

Mark19
12-15-05, 07:50 PM
...and when the Yankees do sign him (and they will), I never want to see his first name spelled with the letters ah at the end.

You really are remarkably confident that he will sign with the Yankees. The Dodgers seem like a wiser destination for him and all the pundits are skeptical because the Yanks seem to be willing to give him only 300-400 ABs.

27IsNext
12-15-05, 07:50 PM
What's this? I tell ya, I leave for a few hours, and three whole pages on whether or not Cashman is a good GM.

I'm bumping the "Sky is Falling Thread."

flymick24
12-15-05, 07:52 PM
You really are remarkably confident that he will sign with the Yankees. The Dodgers seem like a wiser destination for him and all the pundits are skeptical because the Yanks seem to be willing to give him only 300-400 ABs.

we should all laud his optimism.. it's the only way we're going to get through this winter

JDPNYY
12-15-05, 07:54 PM
You really are remarkably confident that he will sign with the Yankees. The Dodgers seem like a wiser destination for him and all the pundits are skeptical because the Yanks seem to be willing to give him only 300-400 ABs.

I haven't felt this confident about something since I predicted that the White Sox would not win the Central.

I was also pretty confident that Farnsy would sign with the Yanks.

yankeefaneternally
12-15-05, 07:56 PM
If you think we should not get nomar, then you must be on that good ................. This guy is still a great hitter, he can definetly be better than giambi at first, and can you actually believe who we would have in the infield. dj arod and nomar. The holy trinity of baseball in the 90s and early 2000s. I would not mind at all for this guy to be part of this team.

IntangiblesRule
12-15-05, 07:58 PM
Aren't all disapppointments second guesses?

We could have had Colon without giving up NJ and Rivera. Period.

Oh please, then you'd be going after Cashman because Colon fell apart physically in the playoffs this year and we'd be stuck with a broken down sack of 280 pound trash for 3 more years.

RobbiMan
12-15-05, 07:58 PM
If you think we should not get nomar, then you must be on that good ................. This guy is still a great hitter, he can definetly be better than giambi at first, and can you actually believe who we would have in the infield. dj arod and nomar. The holy trinity of baseball in the 90s and early 2000s. I would not mind at all for this guy to be part of this team.

I wouldn't call him a great hitter anymore. He would definitely lose his "greatness" after a couple of games where he goes 0 for 4, seeing only 4 pitches in each game, and popping out to short right field in each at bat.

Javadawg44
12-15-05, 08:07 PM
I may eat my words on this, but I doubt he comes here. He had problems with the media in Boston, I would think he'd prefer something that maximized his income while keeping him out of the spotlight. Going to a bigger market just doesn't seem like it's gonna happen.

In the end, I think we'll have wasted 30-odd pages in this thread over someone who used us to drive up his price......but that's just my 2 cents. My thoughts, it comes down to cleveland or Boston.

flymick24
12-15-05, 08:07 PM
I wouldn't call him a great hitter anymore. He would definitely lose his "greatness" after a couple of games where he goes 0 for 4, seeing only 4 pitches in each game, and popping out to short right field in each at bat.

he's not great, but he's still good. the numbers speak for themselves, and i don't think any fans are dumb enough to let a few 0'fers mask that fact.

Mark19
12-15-05, 08:09 PM
I may eat my words on this, but I doubt he comes here. He had problems with the media in Boston, I would think he'd prefer something that maximized his income while keeping him out of the spotlight. Going to a bigger market just doesn't seem like it's gonna happen.

In the end, I think we'll have wasted 30-odd pages in this thread over someone who used us to drive up his price......but that's just my 2 cents. My thoughts, it comes down to cleveland or Boston.

Trust me, the media wouldn't be such a major issue for him in New York. In Boston he was the focus of all of their frustration while the Yankees already have half a dozen superstars to deserve the spotlight.

23and2
12-15-05, 08:26 PM
I think if Cashman didn't feel we had a legit shot at landing Nomar, he'd let it slip out (as a source inside the Yankees front office) that there is serious concern we're being played for more money elsewhere. He's been so tight lipped about it, I'm more inclined to believe we've got a better than 50% chance of getting it done.

27IsNext
12-15-05, 08:34 PM
Trust me, the media wouldn't be such a major issue for him in New York. In Boston he was the focus of all of their frustration while the Yankees already have half a dozen superstars to deserve the spotlight.

Exactly. If things start to go wrong, they'll blame A-Rod and Randy Johnson.

TheManKnownAsMecca
12-15-05, 08:34 PM
I may eat my words on this, but I doubt he comes here. He had problems with the media in Boston, I would think he'd prefer something that maximized his income while keeping him out of the spotlight. Going to a bigger market just doesn't seem like it's gonna happen.

In the end, I think we'll have wasted 30-odd pages in this thread over someone who used us to drive up his price......but that's just my 2 cents. My thoughts, it comes down to cleveland or Boston.

I've never been one to thrash someone for their opinion but Nomar going back to Boston is the craziest thing I've read in a long time. While I've been told Cleveland is the front-runner, my source, someone who works in the Twins organization said the Yankees were number 2. The Dodgers come in third, but without a DH spot in the NL and them signing Mueller his chances of signing there decreased. However, there are a lot of people from the Red Sox organization in the Dodgers organization that Nomar wouldn't mind being with again. However, Cashman would not be so tight-lipped on the situation if he honestly believed Nomar and Tellem were using us. I honestly think now that he will end up with the Indians or Yankees. However, if he does go somewhere I believe we will sign back Cairo which isn't so bad as I felt he played well for us.

Javadawg44
12-15-05, 08:52 PM
He still owns a home in Boston (reference the "Nomar saves 2 from Boston Harbor" stories from early November), still runs his charity in boston, and still has family in the boston area.

Boston, has holes at SS (Alex Cora...uh, no), 1B (Kevin Youkilis....uh, maybe) and LF (if Manny is dealt). He also fills the void of a #4-5 hitter if Manny leaves and no bat comes back.

You reference Cash being tight lipped, the Sox have been equally tight lipped except for the report on the SOSH interview with Sox owner John Henry where he said "Larry Lucchino was one of the main voices towards resigning Nomar to a long term deal" before he left. Lucchino, is the de facto GM in Boston right now, or at least the puppet master of the two GM's.

It wouldn't surprise me, that's all I'm saying.......

Mark19
12-15-05, 08:54 PM
He still owns a home in Boston (reference the "Nomar saves 2 from Boston Harbor" stories from early November), still runs his charity in boston, and still has family in the boston area.

Boston, has holes at SS (Alex Cora...uh, no), 1B (Kevin Youkilis....uh, maybe) and LF (if Manny is dealt). He also fills the void of a #4-5 hitter if Manny leaves and no bat comes back.

You reference Cash being tight lipped, the Sox have been equally tight lipped except for the report on the SOSH interview with Sox owner John Henry where he said "Larry Lucchino was one of the main voices towards resigning Nomar to a long term deal" before he left. Lucchino, is the de facto GM in Boston right now, or at least the puppet master of the two GM's.

It wouldn't surprise me, that's all I'm saying.......

Well, the Sox would have to be dealing with Nomar without the knowledge of Arn Tellem because they aren't listed as one of the four teams interested.

YankeePride1967
12-15-05, 08:54 PM
What's this? I tell ya, I leave for a few hours, and three whole pages on whether or not Cashman is a good GM.

I'm bumping the "Sky is Falling Thread."

Something tells me that if we lose out in the bidding for the 60 game a year Nomar that the Yankees as an organization will be just fine.

flymick24
12-15-05, 09:05 PM
He still owns a home in Boston (reference the "Nomar saves 2 from Boston Harbor" stories from early November), still runs his charity in boston, and still has family in the boston area.

Boston, has holes at SS (Alex Cora...uh, no), 1B (Kevin Youkilis....uh, maybe) and LF (if Manny is dealt). He also fills the void of a #4-5 hitter if Manny leaves and no bat comes back.

You reference Cash being tight lipped, the Sox have been equally tight lipped except for the report on the SOSH interview with Sox owner John Henry where he said "Larry Lucchino was one of the main voices towards resigning Nomar to a long term deal" before he left. Lucchino, is the de facto GM in Boston right now, or at least the puppet master of the two GM's.

It wouldn't surprise me, that's all I'm saying.......


iirc, he was visiting family in boston at the time

Dooley Womack
12-15-05, 09:06 PM
Nah I'm still being clever. You just need to get the Cashman stick out of your ass. Like you did the Giambi stick a few months back.

You pick one person from the Yankee organization to fixate on for a period of time and you just critcize them until you can't criticize them anymore. It's actually quite amusing. I am sensing a pattern here with you. I am also sensing seeing a post from you in say 3 or 4 months saying that you weren't really bashing Cashman that you were on his side all along. You were just disappointed with him.

Gee? Sound familiar?

You have a knack for twisting things, so I'll only respond by saying I had every right not to appreciate a 21 million dollar a year, steroid abusing, base on balls machine who broke down and hit in the low .200's for many months and had a couple of productive months. This, from a person (me) who was once a huge Giambi fan and had said so all through my disappointment with him. I'm a Yankees fan first, not a Giambi fan first and everything is else is secondary.

As for taking sticks out of my ass, I won't take the advice from someone who went through the season blaming Torre, Mel and George for every hiccup (and I'm no fan of any of them) and who gets pretty nasty with members who don't share your enthusiasm for Giambi's substance-enhanced muscles or who don't like to partake in or get annoyed with your sexual innuendos regarding him or other Yankee players, or your sexual appetite, period.

So save your knocks and lectures for another. Please do ignore me.

flymick24
12-15-05, 09:09 PM
Something tells me that if we lose out in the bidding for the 60 game a year Nomar that the Yankees as an organization will be just fine.

exactly. nomar would be an asset to this team, but first and foremost, the pricetag and number of years has to make sense. and if we lose out on him, it won't be the end of the world.

for someone who has played in 140 games the past 2 seasons, 1 guaranteed year is fine, 2 is pushing it.

Snatch Catch
12-15-05, 09:11 PM
Yes he is good.

Brazoban sucks. He had one decent run over 30 innings and then the league adjusted last year. I have no remorse of the loss of his talent.

ryanthe13th
12-15-05, 09:18 PM
Brazoban sucks. He had one decent run over 30 innings and then the league adjusted last year. I have no remorse of the loss of his talent.

Thank you. Brazoban started off good this year, and then he tanked miserably. He was eventually replaced as the closer of the Dodgers towards the end of the season.

YankeePride1967
12-15-05, 09:20 PM
exactly. nomar would be an asset to this team, but first and foremost, the pricetag and number of years has to make sense. and if we lose out on him, it won't be the end of the world.

for someone who has played in 140 games the past 2 seasons, 1 guaranteed year is fine, 2 is pushing it.

I offer him 1/6 and if he comes back at 1/7, I would come close if not meet that. I think at this point Nomar the name has more worth than Nomar the player.

YankeePride1967
12-15-05, 09:21 PM
Brazoban sucks. He had one decent run over 30 innings and then the league adjusted last year. I have no remorse of the loss of his talent.

Good point there. I think we will survive his loss.

ring403
12-15-05, 09:24 PM
for someone who has played in 140 games the past 2 seasons, 1 guaranteed year is fine, 2 is pushing it.
I don't think that Nomar even wants a second year at $8 million or so.
He believes that he will prove healthy in 2006 and return to being the same player he was a couple of years ago. If he's right, he wants to be able to cash in on a multi-year deal for bigger bucks.

RobbiMan
12-15-05, 09:24 PM
Brazoban sucks. He had one decent run over 30 innings and then the league adjusted last year. I have no remorse of the loss of his talent.

If he was still with the team the Yankees wouldn't have to take a flyer on Dotel or overspend for Tavarez...losing his talent was quite expensive when you look at it that way, plus paying for 2 amazing years of Kevin Brown.

gdn
12-15-05, 09:25 PM
I don't think that Nomar even wants a second year at $8 million or so.
He believes that he will prove healthy in 2006 and return to being the same player he was a couple of years ago. If he's right, he wants to be able to cash in on a multi-year deal for bigger bucks.Yep. Whatever reports I've read/heard echo that thought. He's looking to hit the FA marked in '07 after a good showing next year.

flymick24
12-15-05, 09:26 PM
I don't think that Nomar even wants a second year at $8 million or so.
He believes that he will prove healthy in 2006 and return to being the same player he was a couple of years ago. If he's right, he wants to be able to cash in on a multi-year deal for bigger bucks.

well, my whole point was that the yankees shouldn't overpay to get someone like nomar by offering him something like a guaranteed 2nd year.

Archer1979
12-15-05, 09:26 PM
I don't think that Nomar even wants a second year at $8 million or so.
He believes that he will prove healthy in 2006 and return to being the same player he was a couple of years ago. If he's right, he wants to be able to cash in on a multi-year deal for bigger bucks.

Unfortunately for him, that was his strategy going into 2005 as well.

Jeff Van Gully
12-15-05, 09:31 PM
While the latest ESPN.com report says the Yanks are 'pessimistic' about landing Nomar I am still hearing he's going to the Yankees...

we shall see soon enough

ICEBERG18
12-15-05, 09:33 PM
There have been indications over the last 24 hours, however, that the Yankees and Indians have grown less optimistic about their chances of signing Garciaparra. The Indians are believed to be concerned that Garciaparra won't prefer a job as an every-day right fielder. And the Yankees apparently believe that Garciaparra would prefer to play first base in Los Angeles over a job as a first baseman-DH in New York, in part because he owns two homes in southern California.

Tellem had said Wednesday, though, that geography would not be a factor in Garciaparra's decision, and said Garciaparra was confident he could play the outfield if he liked his fit with that team.


http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2260561

flymick24
12-15-05, 09:34 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2260561


There have been indications over the last 24 hours, however, that the Yankees and Indians have grown less optimistic about their chances of signing Garciaparra. The Indians are believed to be concerned that Garciaparra won't prefer a job as an every-day right fielder. And the Yankees apparently believe that Garciaparra would prefer to play first base in Los Angeles over a job as a first baseman-DH in New York, in part because he owns two homes in southern California.

take it for what it's worth

ICEBERG18
12-15-05, 09:35 PM
While the latest ESPN.com report says the Yanks are 'pessimistic' about landing Nomar I am still hearing he's going to the Yankees...

we shall see soon enough

And you would know this because????????????????

Jeff Van Gully
12-15-05, 09:36 PM
as I posted yesterday, my sources within ESPN

YankeePride1967
12-15-05, 09:37 PM
I don't think that Nomar even wants a second year at $8 million or so.
He believes that he will prove healthy in 2006 and return to being the same player he was a couple of years ago. If he's right, he wants to be able to cash in on a multi-year deal for bigger bucks.

The thing is that's what his plan for 2005 was and here he is trying it again. I can honestly say that I would not blame ANY team for not wanting or be willing to pay more than 1/6 for him.

flymick24
12-15-05, 09:38 PM
as I posted yesterday, my sources within ESPN

no link, no credibility

ring403
12-15-05, 09:39 PM
well, my whole point was that the yankees shouldn't overpay to get someone like nomar by offering him something like a guaranteed 2nd year.I don't think there is going to be a protracted bidding war for Nomar. I think he has let everyone know what he's looking for in terms of money, and there are apparently 4 teams who are willing to give him what he wants. Now it's a matter of him weighing the other factors involved, like what position each team would play him at, their postseason prospects, and off the field issues like distance from home, media exposure, etc.

ICEBERG18
12-15-05, 09:40 PM
as I posted yesterday, my sources within ESPN

If Nomar couldn't make up his mind today on where he's going to play, How could your source at "ESPN" already know where he's going to play.?

Jeff Van Gully
12-15-05, 09:43 PM
no link, no credibility


Brotha that's fine, take it with a grain of salt, just thought y'all might like to hear something like that, or not...

again this is what other people are hearing and telling me, Nomar may or may not have decided yet, but last I heard he was still leaning towards the yanks, despite the LA connection

:smokin:

ryanthe13th
12-15-05, 09:46 PM
I think that Nomar is going to be coming our way. With the teams that I've seen, the Yankees are the most likely team I can see him on.

Houston - Wants him to play LF. I think Nomar is concerned about his own health too. Playing everyday in LF w/o a DH possibility is really high for his injury risk.

LA - He may be a West Coast guy, but I think reminders of Boston don't bode well for Nomar going to the Dodgers. If he wasn't happy playing on the Red Sox, why would he rejoin Little, Lowe, and Mueller on a sinking ship known as the LA Dodgers.

Cleveland and New York have the best shots at landing Garciaparra. It basically comes down to Nomar wanting to win while making a name for himself, or Nomar wanting to just regain his longevity.

Jen19
12-15-05, 09:50 PM
I would love to see us get Nomar. I really hope it happens!!!

BJG
12-15-05, 09:50 PM
I think that Nomar is going to be coming our way. With the teams that I've seen, the Yankees are the most likely team I can see him on.

Houston - Wants him to play LF. I think Nomar is concerned about his own health too. Playing everyday in LF w/o a DH possibility is really high for his injury risk.

LA - He may be a West Coast guy, but I think reminders of Boston don't bode well for Nomar going to the Dodgers. If he wasn't happy playing on the Red Sox, why would he rejoin Little, Lowe, and Mueller on a sinking ship known as the LA Dodgers.

Cleveland and New York have the best shots at landing Garciaparra. It basically comes down to Nomar wanting to win while making a name for himself, or Nomar wanting to just regain his longevity.

Accept that Houston is a 2 hour drive from where his wife grew up, so no one knows if that becomes a factor.

And he might be actually good friends with Little, Lowe, and/or Mueller...besides, Little wasn't even the manager when Nomar got shipped out.

And Cleveland is a young, dynamic, up and coming team that just missed the playoffs and might actually be a better team moving forward as their young players improve and the Yankees old players decline.

It's not that simple.

ICEBERG18
12-15-05, 09:55 PM
The Yankees, meanwhile, are waiting for Garciaparra's decision, which agent Arn Tellem said will be made soon. Tellem and Garciaparra were set to meet Thursday night to go over their options. "We're just in the process of debating and going over everything," Tellem said.

Garciaparra is seeking a one-year deal worth about $8 million plus incentives and has narrowed his choices to the Yankees, Indians, Dodgers and Astros.

While the Yankees are looking at him as a "super-utility player," with most of his starts at first base, the Indians and Astros want him to play the outfield full-time. The Dodgers, believed to be his favorite, could use him either in leftfield or at first base.

If the Yankees do not land Garciaparra, they are in position to move quickly on Miguel Cairo and sign him to a one-year deal to back up every infield position. Cairo has received interest from several teams, but he prefers to return to the Yankees -- for whom he won the starting job at second base in 2004 -- in any capacity.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spyanks1216,0,4710846.story?coll=ny-sports-headlines

JavyVazquezIsSick
12-15-05, 09:56 PM
8 mil plus incentives? Pass...

NDBoston
12-15-05, 10:02 PM
Accept that Houston is a 2 hour drive from where his wife grew up, so no one knows if that becomes a factor.

And he might be actually good friends with Little, Lowe, and/or Mueller...besides, Little wasn't even the manager when Nomar got shipped out.

And Cleveland is a young, dynamic, up and coming team that just missed the playoffs and might actually be a better team moving forward as their young players improve and the Yankees old players decline.

It's not that simple.

Hitting in Houston's park would help bring his power numbers back up and make him a more attractive FA next season too.

YankeePride1967
12-15-05, 10:03 PM
8 mil plus incentives? Pass...

My offer would be 1/6 with a possible move to 1/7 and if not I move on to Cairo.

BJG
12-15-05, 10:03 PM
8 mil plus incentives? Pass...

Well, Damon is seeking a 7 year deal. Seeking doesn't mean anyone is willing to or should pay you that.

YankeePride1967
12-15-05, 10:04 PM
Hitting in Houston's park would help bring his power numbers back up and make him a more attractive FA next season too.

Good point and for that Houston makes the most sense. But he is familiar with the AL East and the intensity there.

BJG
12-15-05, 10:07 PM
My offer would be 1/6 with a possible move to 1/7 and if not I move on to Cairo.

I'd be more than happy to give him $10M if he got 700 plate appeareneces. A low base and playing time (i.e. health) based incentives that bring the possible value way up is a good way to go here. If he passes on the potential to make the most money because he's afraid he'll break down, I'd be afraid of him anyway.

Even then, that's only true if the decision is primarily about money.

JavyVazquezIsSick
12-15-05, 10:09 PM
Well, Damon is seeking a 7 year deal. Seeking doesn't mean anyone is willing to or should pay you that.

Thats completely different, moreteams would be willing to commit to a one year than a 7 year deal...

StatenIslandYankee
12-15-05, 10:10 PM
get it done Cash

YankeePride1967
12-15-05, 10:12 PM
I'd be more than happy to give him $10M if he got 700 plate appeareneces. A low base and playing time (i.e. health) based incentives that bring the possible value way up is a good way to go here. If he passes on the potential to make the most money because he's afraid he'll break down, I'd be afraid of him anyway.

Even then, that's only true if the decision is primarily about money.

I agree, but the guaranteed portion I wouldn't go higher than 1/6 or maybe 1/7. I would offer those incentives that would bring it to 10 as if he gives us 700 (heck I'd do it for 650) PA then that is fine. I'm more concerned about the guaranteed money.

Yukon Cornelius
12-15-05, 10:16 PM
....and when the Holy Trinity is united, only then shall they lead them to the promise land....

http://www.unc.edu/~bmcgraw/gqcont.jpg

BJG
12-15-05, 10:17 PM
I agree, but the guaranteed portion I wouldn't go higher than 1/6 or maybe 1/7. I would offer those incentives that would bring it to 10 as if he gives us 700 (heck I'd do it for 650) PA then that is fine. I'm more concerned about the guaranteed money.

well, you can make the plate appearence incentives incremental. My point, though, is, if you are going to offer him the most possible money, then you offer him the least gaurenteed money...you have to get something for what you are giving. If everyone is going to gaurentee him 6 but offer a lower high end, there's no reason for me to offer 6. If he's confident in his abilitiy to stay healthy and money is the only issue, then mine is the best offer on the table even with a lower base.

Panamaniac42
12-15-05, 10:17 PM
If the Yankees do not land Garciaparra, they are in position to move quickly on Miguel Cairo and sign him to a one-year deal to back up every infield position.

Any reason why we can't have both? wtf

23and2
12-15-05, 10:21 PM
Now that Garciaparra is actually meeting LA Dodger officials, you suddenly feel the Yankee's chances dwindling:

LOS ANGELES -- The Dodgers continued their pursuit of Nomar Garciaparra in person Thursday, as the free agent met with general manager Ned Colletti.

"It went great from my perspective," said Colletti. "We talked about a lot of things, including positions. He's a real good guy. I'd never met him. He's an impressive guy."

http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051215&content_id=1282796&vkey=hotstove2005&fext=.jsp

23and2
12-15-05, 10:26 PM
Nomar wouldn't surplant Kent unless absolutely necessary (which becomes a reality when Itzturis returns). So, he still wouldn't be guaranteed a single position everyday. That's the same deal the Yankees will be offering, most likely with more money. There is no way Nomar would choose LA over New York.

As I said yesterday, LA getting Bill Mueller doesn't preclude them from being seriously interested in Nomar - to play 1B for example.

Darth_Takeo
12-15-05, 10:27 PM
Any reason why we can't have both? wtf

Good question...

Chambliss
12-15-05, 10:29 PM
Don't know if people have seen this or not, but ESPN is reporting that the Yankees are "less optimistic" about signing Nomar.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2260561

Irabu's Son
12-15-05, 10:31 PM
....and when the Holy Trinity is united, only then shall they lead them to the promise land....

http://www.unc.edu/~bmcgraw/gqcont.jpg

that could be a banner outside a bar in Binghamton called "Prizms"

flymick24
12-15-05, 10:32 PM
that could be a banner outside a bar in Binghamton called "Prizms"

hey where in binghamton are you located?

i'm in johnson city right now for grad school

just-blaze
12-15-05, 10:32 PM
Dammit, this certainly ruins my day.

Looks like Nomahh isnt coming. :mad: :mad:

C-BUS CLIPPER
12-15-05, 10:33 PM
Don't know if people have seen this or not, but ESPN is reporting that the Yankees are "less optimistic" about signing Nomar.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2260561


Tim Kirkjian said on Sportscenter that the Yanks were a long shot. Why he thinks that, he really didnt say.

Irabu's Son
12-15-05, 10:33 PM
hey where in binghamton are you located?

i'm in johnson city right now for grad school

I live on the southside... know where Yanni's is?

Where do you go, BU? I go to grad school in Cortland.

Darth_Takeo
12-15-05, 10:34 PM
If no Nomah, no sweat, onto plan B;

Rickey Henderson

Irabu's Son
12-15-05, 10:37 PM
If no Nomah, no sweat, onto plan B;

Rickey Henderson

Kill me!!

Girlfriend's here, goodnight all.

flymick24
12-15-05, 10:38 PM
I live on the southside... know where Yanni's is?

Where do you go, BU? I go to grad school in Cortland.

BU is right :)

flymick24
12-15-05, 10:38 PM
Kill me!!

Girlfriend's here, goodnight all.

don't be naughty

flymick24
12-15-05, 10:39 PM
Tim Kirkjian said on Sportscenter that the Yanks were a long shot. Why he thinks that, he really didnt say.

probably because he's going on nothing more than gut

unfortunately, my gut says that nomar will sign with the dodgers too

JeffWeaverFan
12-15-05, 10:41 PM
I don't see him coming... My guess is LA.

Darth_Takeo
12-15-05, 10:41 PM
probably because he's going on nothing more than gut

unfortunately, my gut says that nomar will sign with the dodgers too
Gotta be positive! Nomah will make the right choice! He's going to be a Yankee!

JDPNYY
12-15-05, 10:43 PM
He'll be a Yankee, don't worry.

flymick24
12-15-05, 10:43 PM
He'll be a Yankee, don't worry.

you're persistent, i'll give you that much

Darth_Takeo
12-15-05, 10:43 PM
Yes! I believe!

ryanthe13th
12-15-05, 10:45 PM
Open up the purse a bit more Cashman.

JDPNYY
12-15-05, 10:46 PM
you're persistent, i'll give you that much

I like to think of it as unwavering.

jimmykey2
12-15-05, 10:47 PM
It seems to me the smart choice for Nomar would be the Yankees. He could choose LA and start in the field everyday, but that might lead to physical breakdowns or a lack of production due to the players around him. Maybe being close to home is extremely important for him.

If his main goal is to get maximum production and parlay that into 1 more big multi-year deal, wouldn't it be in his best interests to join the Yanks? He would hit in the bottom half of the lineup (most likely 6th) and would have plenty of chances to drive in runs. He also would be able to DH, giving his body some rest.

Darth_Takeo
12-15-05, 10:47 PM
A powerful DH/1B you will become! Henceforth he shall be known as Daahth.... Nomah!

IncredibleByNature
12-15-05, 10:49 PM
A powerful DH/1B you will become! Henceforth he shall be known as Daahth.... Nomah!

Lovin the SW thing. :D

I would like to have Nomar, but I too feel he may go to LA now.

flymick24
12-15-05, 10:49 PM
It seems to me the smart choice for Nomar would be the Yankees. He could choose LA and start in the field everyday, but that might lead to physical breakdowns or a lack of production due to the players around him. Maybe being close to home is extremely important for him.

If his main goal is to get maximum production and parlay that into 1 more big multi-year deal, wouldn't it be in his best interests to join the Yanks? He would hit in the bottom half of the lineup (most likely 6th) and would have plenty of chances to drive in runs. He also would be able to DH, giving his body some rest.

i think the comfortability factor will play a big role for him, as has been the case with most FA's this off-season

he has a home near LA after all

JDPNYY
12-15-05, 10:50 PM
It seems to me the smart choice for Nomar would be the Yankees. He could choose LA and start in the field everyday, but that might lead to physical breakdowns or a lack of production due to the players around him. Maybe being close to home is extremely important for him.

If his main goal is to get maximum production and parlay that into 1 more big multi-year deal, wouldn't it be in his best interests to join the Yanks? He would hit in the bottom half of the lineup (most likely 6th) and would have plenty of chances to drive in runs. He also would be able to DH, giving his body some rest.

Plus a stronger lineup. More of a chance for him to perform in the spotlight. The added dimension of making some (a lot of) dough in advertising (Imagine the possibilities of Nomar, ARod & Jeter). The history of the Yankees.

Darth_Takeo
12-15-05, 10:50 PM
Lovin the SW thing. :D

I would like to have Nomar, but I too feel he may go to LA now.
Wipe the Dodgers out....

All of them!
http://209.18.100.144/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

flymick24
12-15-05, 10:52 PM
get it done Cash

i dont' think it's within cash's power anymore.

Darth_Takeo
12-15-05, 10:53 PM
i dont' think it's within cash's power anymore.
UNLIMITED...POWERRRR!!!!!

flymick24
12-15-05, 10:53 PM
Open up the purse a bit more Cashman.

how much more are you willing to pay for a DH/ utility player?

if he wants upward of 10 million for 1 year, i say screw it, let him go to the dodgers, he's not worth that money. i'd rather use it to sign bullpen arms anyway.

Darth_Takeo
12-15-05, 10:56 PM
Randall is off the market, anyway...

Stryder2929
12-15-05, 10:57 PM
how much more are you willing to pay for a DH/ utility player?

if he wants upward of 10 million for 1 year, i say screw it, let him go to the dodgers, he's not worth that money. i'd rather use it to sign bullpen arms anyway.


i think cleveland is our primary competition not LA

flymick24
12-15-05, 10:57 PM
i think cleveland is our primary competition not LA

what gives you that impression?

23and2
12-15-05, 10:59 PM
We can just think positively. Maybe it was just logistically easy for Nomar to meet with LA officials - being that he has a couple of houses out there. Speaking to Yankees by phone (Torre who was on his way to Italy, and Giambi who is wherever he is) was just easier... Positive thoughts!

Yankees1962
12-15-05, 11:02 PM
how much more are you willing to pay for a DH/ utility player?

if he wants upward of 10 million for 1 year, i say screw it, let him go to the dodgers, he's not worth that money. i'd rather use it to sign bullpen arms anyway.
I bet the Yankees didn't offer anything near 10M or even 8M for that matter. Furthermore, the bullpen arms still available might be servicable, but I wouldn't sign any of them for more than two years at 3-4M per year.

Darth_Takeo
12-15-05, 11:05 PM
We have the power to save your career... You must choose!!!!

flymick24
12-15-05, 11:05 PM
I bet the Yankees didn't offer anything near 10M or even 8M for that matter.

and they shouldn't. but nomar is apparently looking for an $8 million contract with incentives, and something tells me that the dodgers just might be willing to match or even exceed that amount.



Furthermore, the bullpen arms still available might be servicable, but I wouldn't sign any of them for more than two years at 3-4M per year.

well, the cardinals didn't exactly help the already inflated market by giving braden looper 3/$13.5... utterly ridiculous

Yankees1962
12-15-05, 11:13 PM
and they shouldn't. but nomar is apparently looking for an $8 million contract with incentives, and something tells me that the dodgers just might be willing to match or even exceed that amount.




well, the cardinals didn't exactly help the already inflated market by giving braden looper 3/$13.5... utterly ridiculous
Then the Dodgers are welcome to him. Tavarez/Boras will sign for big money too and I don't think the Yankees will be the ones giving him that money. Omar maybe, but not Cashman.

flymick24
12-15-05, 11:16 PM
Then the Dodgers are welcome to him. Tavarez/Boras will sign for big money too and I don't think the Yankees will be the ones giving him that money. Omar maybe, but not Cashman.

in a perfect world, cashman wouldn't go near tavarez. but dotel and seanez might be off the FA market soon, so the yankees might not have a choice.

i cringe when i think about a groundball pitcher coming out of our pen in a crucial spot.

Yankees1962
12-15-05, 11:17 PM
in a perfect world, cashman wouldn't go near tavarez. but dotel and seanez might be off the FA market soon, so the yankees might not have a choice.

i cringe when i think about a groundball pitcher coming out of our pen in a crucial spot.
I seriously doubt that Cashman will give him a three year contract under any circumstances.

NewEraYanks2527
12-15-05, 11:37 PM
Boy I sure hope the Yankees dont get used again. This would really piss me off and worse yet it might make George do something drastic.

TEPLimey
12-15-05, 11:47 PM
Thank you. Brazoban started off good this year, and then he tanked miserably. He was eventually replaced as the closer of the Dodgers towards the end of the season.
If I recall correctly, Brazoban didn't develop his slider until after the Yankees dealt him and was not thought of as a good prospect when he was throw in the deal.

Brian has made his fair share of bad moves, as every GM has, but to start pointing fingers at him for a young Vazquez with sky-high potential (over fat and oft-injured Colon, no less!) or Brown (for Weaver, who was run out of town, and a low-level prospect) is insane.

TEPLimey
12-15-05, 11:55 PM
Nomar is so confident in his abilities to stay healthy and productive AND he wants $10M this year? Fine.

$2M base
$1M / 20 games he plays

If he's healthy (allowing him to play) and productive (earning his spot), then he'll get his $10M payday. He'll get his shot to make the big money while the Yankees get a guarantee that they're buying a good product.

Anything less would be uncivilized.

ryanthe13th
12-16-05, 02:03 AM
If I recall correctly, Brazoban didn't develop his slider until after the Yankees dealt him and was not thought of as a good prospect when he was throw in the deal.

Brian has made his fair share of bad moves, as every GM has, but to start pointing fingers at him for a young Vazquez with sky-high potential (over fat and oft-injured Colon, no less!) or Brown (for Weaver, who was run out of town, and a low-level prospect) is insane.

...All I did was say that Brazoban sucked.

ryanthe13th
12-16-05, 02:05 AM
The Yankees' latest pitch to Nomar Garciaparra is coming from Jason Giambi.
Joe Torre has already made a phone call to the former Red Sox shortstop, and Giambi was planning to talk with Garciaparra yesterday, a person with knowledge of the situation told the Daily News.

The two stars are very friendly and share an agent, Arn Tellem, who also represents Mike Mussina and Hideki Matsui. Tellem has not returned phone calls in recent days but wrote in an E-mail yesterday that Giambi and Garciaparra are "close friends." He did not offer any other indications about Garciaparra's impending decision on choosing a new team other than to say it could come soon, possibly even before week's end.

The Bombers are said to be one of four finalists to land Garciaparra. They are competing with the Astros, Indians and Dodgers, who have made an offer to Garciaparra, according to GM Ned Colletti. The Dodgers, once believed to be front-runners for Garciaparra, originally wanted him to play third base, but after signing former Red Sox Bill Mueller yesterday, are interested in Garciaparra as an outfielder.

The Yanks have interest but are wary of whether Garciaparra, who was said to be uncomfortable playing in a media cauldron like Boston, would choose to come to the high-pressure Bronx. They would like to sign him to a one-year deal worth between $4 million and $6 million and could be his best option if he doesn't want to play the outfield, which is where the other three teams would probably use him.

Giambi has plenty of experience with recruiting calls. When he was a free agent in 2001, Giambi fielded calls from Torre, Roger Clemens, Mussina and even Yogi Berra. Obviously the amount of money the Yanks offered was a significant factor in Giambi coming to New York, but he's also said that the Bombers' effort to make him feel wanted was important. For someone like Garciaparra, who is said to have reservations about coming to New York, those displays of genuine interest could be critical.

Giambi and Garciaparra could also talk about first base. The Yankees see Garciaparra as a sort of super-utility player who would play frequently but shift around to several positions. In all likelihood, he'd probably get a lot of time at DH and would play quite a bit at first, too, since Torre likes to give Giambi days at DH to keep his surgically repaired knee and balky back from getting overworked.

Garciaparra, 32, has never played first before, but scouts have said they believe he would have little trouble making the transition there because of his smooth footwork and athletic ability. He has battled injuries the last two seasons, playing in just 62 games last year for the Cubs and in 81 games in 2004 with the Red Sox and Cubs.

As of now, the Yankees do not have an everyday DH. GM Brian Cashman, who flew home from Tampa last night after two days of meetings with scouts, said choosing a DH would "be up to Joe, based on the matchups that given day." Andy Phillips and Bernie Williams (assuming he signs a one-year contract with the Yanks) are other options.

Garciaparra, Derek Jeter and Alex Rodriguez were once grouped as the three great shortstops in the game, but injuries wrecked Garciaparra's last two seasons. He's now looking to reestablish himself. Tellem has marketed him as a jack-of-all-trades who could play anywhere other than pitcher and catcher even though he's never spent any significant time at a position other than shortstop. A-Rod has made a nice transition to third, so it's not unreasonable to think Garciaparra could thrive in a new spot.

What would it be like to have all the shortstops sharing the same infield?

"Well," Jeter said on WFAN. "It would be weird."



WEIGHT OF THE WORLD: Chien-Ming Wang will report to Tampa in early January and have his right shoulder examined by Yankee doctors, according to his agent, Alan Chang. The Yanks will then tell Wang their opinion on whether he is healthy enough to participate in the World Baseball Classic. Wang is under pressure to play for the Chinese Taipei team, but the Bombers would prefer he didn't since he spent nearly two months on the DL last year with shoulder inflammation....Torre ran 400 yards with the Olympic flame in Florence, Italy, yesterday as part of the torch relay leading up to the 2006 Winter Games in Turin.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/story/374984p-318654c.html

Hopefully Nomar listens to Juice.

NYDCYankee
12-16-05, 02:05 AM
http://www.nj.com/yankees/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1134714847155690.xml&coll=1&thispage=1


As they await a decision from Nomar Garciaparra on whether he will join them, the Yankees yesterday officially announced the signing of left-handed reliever Mike Myers to a two-year deal.

"Nomar is very pleased to have several attractive options for next season," agent Arn Tellem wrote in an e-mail yesterday evening. "He is weighing all of them carefully and hopes to make the best decision for him and his family in the very near future. The decision will not, however, be made today (yesterday)."

The Yankees -- who earlier signed Kyle Farnsworth to a three-year, $17 million deal -- are not done adding to their bullpen. They are most interested in right-hander Octavio Dotel, who is coming off June reconstructive elbow surgery but has wide interest, with Julian Tavarez and Rick White also in the picture.

"We're still engaging the trade and free-agent markets and will see what it will bear," general manager Brian Cashman said, "because we just don't feel we're in a position that we can sit still yet and be comfortable."

Cash is hoping his patience pays off.

NYDCYankee
12-16-05, 02:06 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/story/374984p-318654c.html

Hopefully Nomar listens to Juice.

This is from yesterday.

ryanthe13th
12-16-05, 02:21 AM
This is from yesterday.

Bummer. Sorry guys.

dabomb2045
12-16-05, 02:31 AM
come on Nomar....make the right decision

NYDCYankee
12-16-05, 03:04 AM
http://www.nypost.com/sports/mets/58857.htm

Mets appear to have scratched Grudz off their list. I wonder if he would consider coming here? If Nomar doesnt work out I would rather Grudz over Cairo as our utility guy.

JeffWeaverFan
12-16-05, 03:10 AM
Grudz really hasn't played many positions other than 2B and will be given starting opportunities elsewhere. Plus, I believe the Cards offered him arbitration so it would cost us a pick.

NYDCYankee
12-16-05, 03:24 AM
Grudz really hasn't played many positions other than 2B and will be given starting opportunities elsewhere. Plus, I believe the Cards offered him arbitration so it would cost us a pick.


http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread.php?t=91625&page=1

Grudz wasn't offered arb

longtimeyankeefan
12-16-05, 03:43 AM
Grudz really hasn't played many positions other than 2B and will be given starting opportunities elsewhere. Plus, I believe the Cards offered him arbitration so it would cost us a pick.

Actually, Grudz had it written into his last contract that the Cardinals could NOT offer him arbitration.

http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051207&content_id=1278570&vkey=news_stl&fext=.jsp&c_id=stl

Irabu's Son
12-16-05, 07:44 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/story/374984p-318654c.html

Hopefully Nomar listens to Juice.


Juice?? Ouch.

As much as I'd love Nomar coming here, I am getting less optimistic. I think he'd fit perfectly, but there are so many other factors. Further, I can't believe there's not ONE TEAM in MLB who can offer him a starting 3B position, let alone SS.

ring403
12-16-05, 07:45 AM
It doesn't look like Nomar is going to choose a team this week.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/3528752.html

Arn Tellem, Garciaparra's agent, said Thursday his client was still considering his options. In addition to the Astros, the Los Angeles Dodgers, New York Yankees and Cleveland Indians are reported to be interested.

"Nomar is very pleased to have several attractive options for next season," Tellem said. "He is weighing all of them carefully and hopes to make the best decision for him and his family in the very near future. The decision will not, however, be made today."

NYDCYankee
12-16-05, 07:47 AM
It doesn't look like Nomar is going to choose a team this week.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/3528752.html

I read somewhere (I forget where) that it will be early next week. Makes sense, he is letting the market build for him.

StaceyRosie
12-16-05, 07:47 AM
Bummer. Sorry guys.

That's not the only thing you should be apologizing for.

Yankee Bulldawg
12-16-05, 08:44 AM
i dont blame him for taking his time, he wants to make the right choice

NewEraYanks2527
12-16-05, 09:24 AM
Wow this Nomar thing sure looks alot more depressing and alot different than it did yesterday.

YankeeFan1
12-16-05, 09:25 AM
I just confirms my belief that Nomar is just using the Yankees' interest/offer as leverage to get a better deal from other teams, maybe the Dodgers in particular since he lives in LA.

NewEraYanks2527
12-16-05, 09:29 AM
I just confirms my belief that Nomar is just using the Yankees' interest/offer as leverage to get a better deal from other teams, maybe the Dodgers in particular since he lives in LA. That was something I really did not want to be the case with Nomar but it has been something I always thought was going on. Pretty ................ty.

Dooley Womack
12-16-05, 09:29 AM
Wow this Nomar thing sure looks alot more depressing and alot different than it did yesterday.

4-5 million, if true (and everyone is reporting that), won't do it. The Yanks are offering him close to Cairo money and Cairo is no Nomar. I'll be disappointed...actually pissed.. if it came down to money and the Yanks sign Cairo for a million or so less, even 2-3 million. I guess we will never know as players and agents usually take the high road and don't burn bridges.

Again, if true, to offer Nomar 4 million and basically a utility role, albeit where he should get enough at bats, is probably an insult to him. I wouldn't be surprised if he's already turned off by the Yanks offer and just names them as a contender for his services to bring his price up. I truly believe that if the right offer were already made he'd probably be a Yank, or they'd at least stand a better chance. Just my gut.

whalers
12-16-05, 09:37 AM
Juice?? Ouch.

As much as I'd love Nomar coming here, I am getting less optimistic. I think he'd fit perfectly, but there are so many other factors. Further, I can't believe there's not ONE TEAM in MLB who can offer him a starting 3B position, let alone SS.


Same here. That's why I never thought this was going to happen. He will get hurt at some point this year and we will be happy this fell through.

TEPLimey
12-16-05, 09:45 AM
4-5 million, if true (and everyone is reporting that), won't do it. The Yanks are offering him close to Cairo money and Cairo is no Nomar. I'll be disappointed...actually pissed.. if it came down to money and the Yanks sign Cairo for a million or so less, even 2-3 million. I guess we will never know as players and agents usually take the high road and don't burn bridges.

Indeed, Cairo is no Nomar. Cairo is a relatively injury-free guy who has great chemistry with several players and coaches (especially Mattingly), who hit just shy of .300 with his last stint as a Yankee, loved being a role-player, who is not demanding much money, and who has experience at every IF position, except maybe 1B (which should be played by another player anyway).

wileedog
12-16-05, 09:48 AM
4-5 million, if true (and everyone is reporting that), won't do it. The Yanks are offering him close to Cairo money and Cairo is no Nomar. I'll be disappointed...actually pissed.. if it came down to money and the Yanks sign Cairo for a million or so less, even 2-3 million. I guess we will never know as players and agents usually take the high road and don't burn bridges.

Where are you getting these numbers for Cairo?

He made $900,000 last year. He did nothing in that year to warrant a $1-2 million raise. He won't be signed here for near 2-3 million, that's why we let him go last year in the first place.



Again, if true, to offer Nomar 4 million and basically a utility role, albeit where he should get enough at bats, is probably an insult to him. I wouldn't be surprised if he's already turned off by the Yanks offer and just names them as a contender for his services to bring his price up. I truly believe that if the right offer were already made he'd probably be a Yank, or they'd at least stand a better chance. Just my gut.

It has nothing to do with money. Nomar wants to use this season to prove he can be an everyday player again. Quite frankly other teams simply have a better scenario for him then coming off the bench here in various positions on various days. That's just what it is, there's not much anyone can do about it (other than move Jeter to CF, A-Rod to SS and put Nomar at 3B, that is..... ;)

Dooley Womack
12-16-05, 09:50 AM
Where are you getting these numbers for Cairo?


Basically out of my hat. Even if Cairo makes only 1 million, Nomar's worth more than 4 times that.

NewEraYanks2527
12-16-05, 09:52 AM
Basically out of my hat. Even if Cairo makes only 1 million, Nomar's worth more than 4 times that. I'm sorry but thats just funny.

wileedog
12-16-05, 10:00 AM
Basically out of my hat. Even if Cairo makes only 1 million, Nomar's worth more than 4 times that.

He probably is.

But Nomar is not playing for money in 2006. He's playing for big money in 2007 and beyond. What he needs is an open IF position other than 1B, and we don't have one to give him.

sprintnet
12-16-05, 10:05 AM
He probably is.

But Nomar is not playing for money in 2006. He's playing for big money in 2007 and beyond. What he needs is an open IF position other than 1B, and we don't have one to give him.

I know i don't have a link as there is no link just word of mouth from a person very close to nomar that LA and Cleveland are his final 2 teams and he will decide in the next day or 2.

RhodeyYankee2638
12-16-05, 10:06 AM
He probably is.

But Nomar is not playing for money in 2006. He's playing for big money in 2007 and beyond. What he needs is an open IF position other than 1B, and we don't have one to give him.

Well it would have to be 3rd base, because most scouts agree that he has lost too many steps to play SS or 2nd

BJG
12-16-05, 10:17 AM
He probably is.

But Nomar is not playing for money in 2006. He's playing for big money in 2007 and beyond. What he needs is an open IF position other than 1B, and we don't have one to give him.

If you believe his agent, he isn't even negotiationg off the non-formal bids he has until he picks a situation that he likes, so the money is probably a)not as important and b)all basically the same.

However, the Dodgers want him to play LF. The Indians want him to play RF. The Astros want him to play LF. I think he would be more than happy to try and reinvent himself as a corner outfielder given the above.

RhodeyYankee2638
12-16-05, 10:18 AM
If you believe his agent, he isn't even negotiationg off the non-formal bids he has until he picks a situation that he likes, so the money is probably a)not as important and b)all basically the same.

However, the Dodgers want him to play LF. The Indians want him to play RF. The Astros want him to play LF. I think he would be more than happy to try and reinvent himself as a corner outfielder given the above.

Not to mention thats a helluva a lot of pressure to learn out to play the OF, compared to 1st

wileedog
12-16-05, 10:34 AM
If you believe his agent, he isn't even negotiationg off the non-formal bids he has until he picks a situation that he likes, so the money is probably a)not as important and b)all basically the same.

However, the Dodgers want him to play LF. The Indians want him to play RF. The Astros want him to play LF. I think he would be more than happy to try and reinvent himself as a corner outfielder given the above.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't his agent rule out the OF early in the process? I thought that's why he nixed Houston.

Also, I think the Indians want to give him Boone's job at 3B. Or should anyway.

jpao89
12-16-05, 10:38 AM
Hey dipsh*t, you live in one! Don't tell me your new place is not nicer than the old place. And don't tell me you're Rick James either....

Glad YOU think so. Greenwich was nicer, sorry buddy. And I am Rick James. . Bitch!!! But, back on topic, it doesn't look like Nomar wants to come and listen to us shout NOOOOMAAAAAAAHHH from our seats.

noneckwilliams
12-16-05, 10:48 AM
I know i don't have a link as there is no link just word of mouth from a person very close to nomar that LA and Cleveland are his final 2 teams and he will decide in the next day or 2.


I think he ends up in Cleveland. A team on the rise who many will pick to win the Central next season. You'd think the AL would be a better fit for him because of the DH.

Nomar would have really made sense for the Yankees. Depth and versatility are nice things to have.

Dr. Gonzo
12-16-05, 11:14 AM
I think he ends up in Cleveland. A team on the rise who many will pick to win the Central next season. You'd think the AL would be a better fit for him because of the DH.

Nomar would have really made sense for the Yankees. Depth and versatility are nice things to have.
I say LA or the yanks, I would think he doesn't want to go to the outfield, as it is a greater injury risk.

YankeeStripes
12-16-05, 11:17 AM
the fact is that NOONE not even Nomar knows where he is going. The Yanks are still in it, as are 3 other teams. There isnt much we can speculate on...we just have to wait.

DJ27
12-16-05, 11:19 AM
INomar would have really made sense for the Yankees. Depth and versatility are nice things to have.

This is fine. Cairo brings in the same qualities and did a great job two years ago. Welcome back Miggy!

noneckwilliams
12-16-05, 11:21 AM
This is fine. Cairo brings in the same qualities and did a great job two years ago. Welcome back Miggy!

Miggy is a fearsome offensive weapon who will help prop up the weak bottom of the order. :P

Cash needs to change the cards in his Rolodex.

RobbiMan
12-16-05, 11:25 AM
the fact is that NOONE not even Nomar knows where he is going. The Yanks are still in it, as are 3 other teams. There isnt much we can speculate on...we just have to wait.


He'll be a Yankee, don't worry.

This guy, and that other poster, Jeff Van Gully, beg to differ.

hobokenfish
12-16-05, 11:26 AM
Glad YOU think so. Greenwich was nicer, sorry buddy. And I am Rick James. . Bitch!!! But, back on topic, it doesn't look like Nomar wants to come and listen to us shout NOOOOMAAAAAAAHHH from our seats.

Your house now is much nicer than your house in Greenwich. And I kind of was looking forward to the Nomar signing just so we could sit there and be obnoxious with his name.

JDPNYY
12-16-05, 11:27 AM
This guy, and that other poster, Jeff Van Gully, beg to differ.

They can beg all they want. Nomar will sign with the Yankees.

DJ27
12-16-05, 11:33 AM
Miggy is a fearsome offensive weapon who will help prop up the weak bottom of the order. :P

Cash needs to change the cards in his Rolodex.

Miggy will do all the little things that this team needs to be successful. All great teams need guys like Miggy. He may not be fearsome but he is also not fearful and will compete every day regardless of his role.

sprintnet
12-16-05, 11:38 AM
They can beg all they want. Nomar will sign with the Yankees.


Look i wish there was a link to post but im telling you he is going to either sign with LA or Cleveland..

He was in LA yesterday and a close friend of mine who is close to nomar said he has it down to 2 teams.

LA

CLE

LA is the frontrunner,Expect him to sign with the Dodgers either this weekend or early next week.

Also its not about the money.Nomar is picking where he wants to play and then after he picks where he wants then he will talk contract.

If you don't believe me about that part he ya go.

Nomar Garciaparra met with Dodgers GM Ned Colletti at Dodger Stadium on Thursday.
Garciaparra is expected to decide between the Dodgers, Yankees, Astros and Indians soon. The Dodgers could be the favorites at the moment. Garciaparra is seeking a one-year contract worth $6 million-$8 million, but teams don't have to put their offers on the table right now. According to agent Arn Tellem, he'll pick where he wants to play and then work out a contract. Dec. 16 - 4:01 am et
Source: Los Angeles Daily News (http://www.dailynews.com/sports/ci_3313672)

Look believe what you might but its down to 2 teams LA and Clev and the other 2 are out of it.

NewEraYanks2527
12-16-05, 11:41 AM
Look i wish there was a link to post but im telling you he is going to either sign with LA or Cleveland..

He was in LA yesterday and a close friend of mine who is close to nomar said he has it down to 2 teams.

No offense but it sounds alot like that Adam Sandler song "My brother knows a girl whose roomate's uncle knows a guy who knows Mel Gibson."

noneckwilliams
12-16-05, 11:45 AM
Miggy will do all the little things that this team needs to be successful. All great teams need guys like Miggy. He may not be fearsome but he is also not fearful and will compete every day regardless of his role.

Nomar can play as many positions as Cairo and can actually hit the baseball. He'd be a real asset who could fill the void if ARod or Jeter went down for an extended period. Cairo would be a black hole in the batting order if he had to play for 2 weeks.

yanksphan
12-16-05, 11:59 AM
Look i wish there was a link to post but im telling you he is going to either sign with LA or Cleveland..

He was in LA yesterday and a close friend of mine who is close to nomar said he has it down to 2 teams.

LA

CLE

LA is the frontrunner,Expect him to sign with the Dodgers either this weekend or early next week.

Also its not about the money.Nomar is picking where he wants to play and then after he picks where he wants then he will talk contract.

If you don't believe me about that part he ya go.

Nomar Garciaparra met with Dodgers GM Ned Colletti at Dodger Stadium on Thursday.
Garciaparra is expected to decide between the Dodgers, Yankees, Astros and Indians soon. The Dodgers could be the favorites at the moment. Garciaparra is seeking a one-year contract worth $6 million-$8 million, but teams don't have to put their offers on the table right now. According to agent Arn Tellem, he'll pick where he wants to play and then work out a contract. Dec. 16 - 4:01 am et
Source: Los Angeles Daily News (http://www.dailynews.com/sports/ci_3313672)

Look believe what you might but its down to 2 teams LA and Clev and the other 2 are out of it.

I was in LA yesterday, and didn't see Nomar or your close friend. Seriously.

sprintnet
12-16-05, 11:59 AM
No offense but it sounds alot like that Adam Sandler song "My brother knows a girl whose roomate's uncle knows a guy who knows Mel Gibson."


How is that? you are talking about 1 guy who talked to him.And also a link to the story while he was there yesterday.

But you can think as you wish but Nomar is going to LA or Clev and most likely LA.

the other 2 are out.

JDPNYY
12-16-05, 12:01 PM
I was in LA yesterday, and didn't see Nomar or your close friend. Seriously.

Nomar might have been wearing a disguise.

sprintnet
12-16-05, 12:04 PM
Nomar might have been wearing a disguise.


Nomar Garciaparra met with Dodgers GM Ned Colletti at Dodger Stadium on Thursday.
Garciaparra is expected to decide between the Dodgers, Yankees, Astros and Indians soon. The Dodgers could be the favorites at the moment. Garciaparra is seeking a one-year contract worth $6 million-$8 million, but teams don't have to put their offers on the table right now. According to agent Arn Tellem, he'll pick where he wants to play and then work out a contract. Dec. 16 - 4:01 am et
Source: Los Angeles Daily News (http://www.dailynews.com/sports/ci_3313672)


Ahh Nomar was there along with a bunch of his friends one of which i know.

Just because you don't see it on espn or yahoo does not mean it is not so.

everything talked about does not always go to the press but watch and you will see.

Jasbro
12-16-05, 12:06 PM
Nomar Garciaparra met with Dodgers GM Ned Colletti at Dodger Stadium on Thursday.
Garciaparra is expected to decide between the Dodgers, Yankees, Astros and Indians soon. The Dodgers could be the favorites at the moment. Garciaparra is seeking a one-year contract worth $6 million-$8 million, but teams don't have to put their offers on the table right now. According to agent Arn Tellem, he'll pick where he wants to play and then work out a contract. Dec. 16 - 4:01 am et
Source: Los Angeles Daily News (http://www.dailynews.com/sports/ci_3313672)


Ahh Nomar was there along with a bunch of his friends one of which i know.

Just because you don't see it on espn or yahoo does not mean it is not so.

everything talked about does not always go to the press but watch and you will see.

Nomar brings his posse with him to contract negotiations?

What is this, Entourage?

goin for 27
12-16-05, 12:06 PM
They can beg all they want. Nomar will sign with the Yankees.

I really hope so. However, too close to call. I think Nomar would likely want to start everyday at one position, to really drive his value for a future contract.

By being half time 1B, half-time DH, that is not as welcoming, I would think. Hopefully it comes to fruition.

JDPNYY
12-16-05, 12:07 PM
Nomar Garciaparra met with Dodgers GM Ned Colletti at Dodger Stadium on Thursday.
Garciaparra is expected to decide between the Dodgers, Yankees, Astros and Indians soon. The Dodgers could be the favorites at the moment. Garciaparra is seeking a one-year contract worth $6 million-$8 million, but teams don't have to put their offers on the table right now. According to agent Arn Tellem, he'll pick where he wants to play and then work out a contract. Dec. 16 - 4:01 am et
Source: Los Angeles Daily News (http://www.dailynews.com/sports/ci_3313672)


Ahh Nomar was there along with a bunch of his friends one of which i know.

Just because you don't see it on espn or yahoo does not mean it is not so.

everything talked about does not always go to the press but watch and you will see.

You watch and you will see. Nomar will be a Yankee.

sprintnet
12-16-05, 12:08 PM
Nomar brings his posse with him to contract negotiations?

What is this, Entourage?

What contract talks? did you not read he is not seeking the money right now but just first deciding where he wants to go and not talking just $'s right now.When he picks where he wants to go then he will talk the money.

Ok im done with this i see its not going anywhere till he does sign with one of the 2 then you will know.

Ghost of Dan Pasqua
12-16-05, 12:09 PM
You watch and you will see. Nomar will be a Yankee.

That's it, we have an official throwdown. The veteran vs. the new comer, with 4 posts to his name.

Jasbro
12-16-05, 12:09 PM
What contract talks? did you not read he is not seeking the money right now but just first deciding where he wants to go and not talking just $'s right now.When he picks where he wants to go then he will talk the money.

Ok im done with this i see its not going anywhere till he does sign with one of the 2 then you will know.

You said in your post that he met with the Dodgers GM in LA and that he brought a bunch of his friends with him. Those contract talks.

Ivoted4Kodos
12-16-05, 12:11 PM
Ok im done with this i see its not going anywhere till he does sign with one of the 2 then you will know.

Generally claiming to have a source close to a player without proof doesn't go anywhere. It's been lied about so many times, no one is going to really believe you.

ReggieBar
12-16-05, 12:11 PM
He'd be a real asset who could fill the void if ARod or Jeter went down for an extended period.


So if Arod or Jeter went down for awhile, Nomar would be ideal. :)

It's pretty much over, folks.

I know IF Nomar was healthy, he would be productive. But, is it worth the uncertainty and the media circus that would come with it?

Jasbro
12-16-05, 12:12 PM
I am not sure Turtle can be trusted reporting on the status of Nomar's FA talks....he has been wrong about things before...

JDPNYY
12-16-05, 12:13 PM
That's it, we have an official throwdown. The veteran vs. the new comer, with 4 posts to his name.

That's really not fair. I don't think anyone who reads rotoworld could ever be considered a newcomer.

ieddyi
12-16-05, 12:13 PM
Nomar might have been wearing a disguise.

LOL

He wanted to wear one of those Groucho Marx glasses/nose masks, but his nose was too big for him to wear it

#9
12-16-05, 12:17 PM
I cannot see Nomar as a Yankee. It's just not necessary - I also believe that all of this hype is a smokescreen for a huge move elsewhere (eg upgrading CF).

ieddyi
12-16-05, 12:18 PM
Nomar Garciaparra met with Dodgers GM Ned Colletti at Dodger Stadium on Thursday.
Garciaparra is expected to decide between the Dodgers, Yankees, Astros and Indians soon. The Dodgers could be the favorites at the moment. Garciaparra is seeking a one-year contract worth $6 million-$8 million, but teams don't have to put their offers on the table right now. According to agent Arn Tellem, he'll pick where he wants to play and then work out a contract. Dec. 16 - 4:01 am et
Source: Los Angeles Daily News (http://www.dailynews.com/sports/ci_3313672)


Ahh Nomar was there along with a bunch of his friends one of which i know.

Just because you don't see it on espn or yahoo does not mean it is not so.

everything talked about does not always go to the press but watch and you will see.

Tellem's statement doesn't make sense if he wants to get the best deal for his client. If he tells the team he has decided on them, he loses any leverage to get the best deal

Doesn't make sense

Bernie Inferno
12-16-05, 12:18 PM
I am not sure Turtle can be trusted reporting on the status of Nomar's FA talks....he has been wrong about things before...

:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

Johnny Drama was also there in the form of Enrique Wilson trying to get his own job. Of course, Ari Tellem is too good of an agent to represent Enrique.

Dooley Womack
12-16-05, 12:19 PM
I think Nomas Duran stands a better chance of coming here.

ieddyi
12-16-05, 12:21 PM
Nomar decision may affect BoSox

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By Rob Bradford
Staff Writer

Nomar Garciaparra is evidently continuing to have a say in the fate of the Boston Red Sox.

According to two major league baseball front-office sources, the Red Sox went into last night primed to pull off a deal with Cleveland which would send newly-acquired third baseman Andy Marte and relief pitcher Guillermo Mota to the Indians for outfielder Coco Crisp.

The trade is reportedly partly contingent on the Indians' ability to sign Garciaparra, a free agent, with the purpose of putting the former Red Sox shortstop in right field. The move would make the 26-year-old Crisp expendable, helping Boston fill a need in either left or center field, depending on the return of Manny Ramirez or Johnny Damon.



http://www.ecnnews.com/cgi-bin/05/snstory.pl?-sec-Sports+1k589g0+fn-nredsox.1216-20051216-


So in essence, the sawx will have given up Renteria, Marte a lot of cash and Mota for Crisp

Sounds like an overpay to me. What ever happened to the untouchable HOF prospect Marte???

DJ27
12-16-05, 12:22 PM
Nomar decision may affect BoSox

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By Rob Bradford
Staff Writer

Nomar Garciaparra is evidently continuing to have a say in the fate of the Boston Red Sox.

According to two major league baseball front-office sources, the Red Sox went into last night primed to pull off a deal with Cleveland which would send newly-acquired third baseman Andy Marte and relief pitcher Guillermo Mota to the Indians for outfielder Coco Crisp.

The trade is reportedly partly contingent on the Indians' ability to sign Garciaparra, a free agent, with the purpose of putting the former Red Sox shortstop in right field. The move would make the 26-year-old Crisp expendable, helping Boston fill a need in either left or center field, depending on the return of Manny Ramirez or Johnny Damon.



http://www.ecnnews.com/cgi-bin/05/snstory.pl?-sec-Sports+1k589g0+fn-nredsox.1216-20051216-

Wow.... take your time Nomar!

Ghost of Dan Pasqua
12-16-05, 12:22 PM
Tellem's statement doesn't make sense if he wants to get the best deal for his client. If he tells the team he has decided on them, he loses any leverage to get the best deal

Doesn't make sense

I'm sure that he's discussed the parameters of a deal with each team and once they chose on it, then they get down to the details (performance bonuses, etc.) I'm sure Nomar knows the monitary range of each offer, and what position they see him playing. The leverage is now and since Tellem is a well established agent, it's doubtful that it would be an issue that a team would suddenly pull the rug out from under him after they've chosen a team.

Bernie Inferno
12-16-05, 12:25 PM
Nomar decision may affect BoSox

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By Rob Bradford
Staff Writer

Nomar Garciaparra is evidently continuing to have a say in the fate of the Boston Red Sox.

According to two major league baseball front-office sources, the Red Sox went into last night primed to pull off a deal with Cleveland which would send newly-acquired third baseman Andy Marte and relief pitcher Guillermo Mota to the Indians for outfielder Coco Crisp.

The trade is reportedly partly contingent on the Indians' ability to sign Garciaparra, a free agent, with the purpose of putting the former Red Sox shortstop in right field. The move would make the 26-year-old Crisp expendable, helping Boston fill a need in either left or center field, depending on the return of Manny Ramirez or Johnny Damon.



http://www.ecnnews.com/cgi-bin/05/snstory.pl?-sec-Sports+1k589g0+fn-nredsox.1216-20051216-


So in essence, the sawx will have given up Renteria, Marte a lot of cash and Mota for Crisp

Sounds like an overpay to me. What ever happened to the untouchable HOF prospect Marte??? Hoyer and Cherington don't appear to be a doubled-headed Theo...

ieddyi
12-16-05, 12:25 PM
I'm sure that he's discussed the parameters of a deal with each team and once they chose on it, then they get down to the details (performance bonuses, etc.) I'm sure Nomar knows the monitary range of each offer, and what position they see him playing. The leverage is now and since Tellem is a well established agent, it's doubtful that it would be an issue that a team would suddenly pull the rug out from under him after they've chosen a team.

Not saying that clubs would reneg, just that if Boras were to handle it, he would keep terams guessing to try and get them to bid against themselves

Ghost of Dan Pasqua
12-16-05, 12:27 PM
Hoyer and Cherington don't appear to be a doubled-headed Theo...

I agree, that would be a bit of a head scratcher. But I'm sure that Old Broad Gammons would come on and tell us that Coco Crisp will be the next Willie Mays and will own Boston like none other.

Jasbro
12-16-05, 12:31 PM
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

Johnny Drama was also there in the form of Enrique Wilson trying to get his own job. Of course, Ari Tellem is too good of an agent to represent Enrique.

Yeah, Johnny Drama kept interrupting Nomar's chat with the LA GM by saying, "You got a role for me? Bullpen catcher? Ball boy? Something?".

Meanwhile Eric and Ari Tellum were rolling their eyes while Turtle rolled a joint and played with his PSP on the sofa on the other side of the room....

When they were done, Turtle called up Sprintnet and told him that Nomar had narrowed things down to LA and Cleveland -- or was it San Andreas and Liberty City...his memory was a little hazy.... ;)

DJ27
12-16-05, 12:35 PM
I agree, that would be a bit of a head scratcher. But I'm sure that Old Broad Gammons would come on and tell us that Coco Crisp will be the next Willie Mays and will own Boston like none other.

I can see it too .... Something like: Though it looks like Boston gave up too much for Coco, I really think they have a steal here. Coco Crisp is one the best OF's in the league and is a budding superstar who very possibly may be the next Willie Mays. :) :) Good old Peter!

NDBoston
12-16-05, 12:35 PM
I agree, that would be a bit of a head scratcher. But I'm sure that Old Broad Gammons would come on and tell us that Coco Crisp will be the next Willie Mays and will own Boston like none other.

The Red Sox won't trade Marte and Mota for Crisp. Jed has to be smarter than that.

Jasbro
12-16-05, 12:37 PM
If the Boston/Cleveland connection is true, the question then arises:

Is it in the Yankees' best interest for Nomar to come here, or to let him go to Cleveland? I think we win either way....

CTyankeefan
12-16-05, 12:37 PM
Yeah, Johnny Drama kept interrupting Nomar's chat with the LA GM by saying, "You got a role for me? Bullpen catcher? Ball boy? Something?".

Meanwhile Eric and Ari Tellum were rolling their eyes while Turtle rolled a joint and played with his PSP on the sofa on the other side of the room....

When they were done, Turtle called up Sprintnet and told him that Nomar had narrowed things down to LA and Cleveland -- or was it San Andreas and Liberty City...his memory was a little hazy.... ;)


I love Entourage.

VICTOREEEEEE!

Kulish29
12-16-05, 12:40 PM
Nomar decision may affect BoSox

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By Rob Bradford
Staff Writer

Nomar Garciaparra is evidently continuing to have a say in the fate of the Boston Red Sox.

According to two major league baseball front-office sources, the Red Sox went into last night primed to pull off a deal with Cleveland which would send newly-acquired third baseman Andy Marte and relief pitcher Guillermo Mota to the Indians for outfielder Coco Crisp.

The trade is reportedly partly contingent on the Indians' ability to sign Garciaparra, a free agent, with the purpose of putting the former Red Sox shortstop in right field. The move would make the 26-year-old Crisp expendable, helping Boston fill a need in either left or center field, depending on the return of Manny Ramirez or Johnny Damon.



http://www.ecnnews.com/cgi-bin/05/snstory.pl?-sec-Sports+1k589g0+fn-nredsox.1216-20051216-


So in essence, the sawx will have given up Renteria, Marte a lot of cash and Mota for Crisp

Sounds like an overpay to me. What ever happened to the untouchable HOF prospect Marte???

That'd be a mistake for Boston because Crisp isnt a CF'er. He's better suited for LF. Unless this means they're planning on re-signing Damon and then moving Manny.

Ghost of Dan Pasqua
12-16-05, 12:40 PM
The Red Sox won't trade Marte and Mota for Crisp. Jed has to be smarter than that.

One would think so. If not, I'd say you got a problem brewing with the brass in the Hub.

Kulish29
12-16-05, 12:43 PM
You watch and you will see. Nomar will be a Yankee.

Dude, that rhymed. You're a poet and you didnt know it. Or did you?

JeffWeaverFan
12-16-05, 12:54 PM
http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread.php?t=91625&page=1

Grudz wasn't offered arb
My mistake. Thanks.

Evil Empire
12-16-05, 12:56 PM
Nomar decision may affect BoSox

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By Rob Bradford
Staff Writer

Nomar Garciaparra is evidently continuing to have a say in the fate of the Boston Red Sox.

According to two major league baseball front-office sources, the Red Sox went into last night primed to pull off a deal with Cleveland which would send newly-acquired third baseman Andy Marte and relief pitcher Guillermo Mota to the Indians for outfielder Coco Crisp.

The trade is reportedly partly contingent on the Indians' ability to sign Garciaparra, a free agent, with the purpose of putting the former Red Sox shortstop in right field. The move would make the 26-year-old Crisp expendable, helping Boston fill a need in either left or center field, depending on the return of Manny Ramirez or Johnny Damon.



http://www.ecnnews.com/cgi-bin/05/snstory.pl?-sec-Sports+1k589g0+fn-nredsox.1216-20051216-


So in essence, the sawx will have given up Renteria, Marte a lot of cash and Mota for Crisp

Sounds like an overpay to me. What ever happened to the untouchable HOF prospect Marte???

That's a ripoff.

JeffWeaverFan
12-16-05, 12:56 PM
4-5 million, if true (and everyone is reporting that), won't do it. The Yanks are offering him close to Cairo money and Cairo is no Nomar. I'll be disappointed...actually pissed.. if it came down to money and the Yanks sign Cairo for a million or so less, even 2-3 million. I guess we will never know as players and agents usually take the high road and don't burn bridges.

Let me just say that Cairo won't get more than $1 million from us. And yes, I agree. We should be offering $6-$7 million plus incentives. It's only a 1 year deal and we have a bunch of money to spend so you can overspend a bit.

JeffWeaverFan
12-16-05, 01:00 PM
Nomar decision may affect BoSox

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By Rob Bradford
Staff Writer

Nomar Garciaparra is evidently continuing to have a say in the fate of the Boston Red Sox.

According to two major league baseball front-office sources, the Red Sox went into last night primed to pull off a deal with Cleveland which would send newly-acquired third baseman Andy Marte and relief pitcher Guillermo Mota to the Indians for outfielder Coco Crisp.

The trade is reportedly partly contingent on the Indians' ability to sign Garciaparra, a free agent, with the purpose of putting the former Red Sox shortstop in right field. The move would make the 26-year-old Crisp expendable, helping Boston fill a need in either left or center field, depending on the return of Manny Ramirez or Johnny Damon.



http://www.ecnnews.com/cgi-bin/05/snstory.pl?-sec-Sports+1k589g0+fn-nredsox.1216-20051216-


So in essence, the sawx will have given up Renteria, Marte a lot of cash and Mota for Crisp

Sounds like an overpay to me. What ever happened to the untouchable HOF prospect Marte???
As a Yankee fan, I would be pleased. I doubt it's true though. I'd hold onto Marte if I were Boston.

BJG
12-16-05, 01:00 PM
That's a ripoff.

If the Braves were set to deal Marte for Crisp and then had to about face and get a shortstop when Furcal bolted, it seems to make sense to me that the Indians would still want Marte.

Mota? Heck, I'd be happy to get rid of him.

Oh, and the Red Sox aren't giving up Renteria, Cash, Marte and Mota...they never had Renteria, Cash, and Marte all at the same time to give up. That's like saying if I give you 10 singles and you give me 2 fives and then I give the 2 fives to someone else for a ten dollar bill, the ten dollar bill cost me 20 bucks.

NDBoston
12-16-05, 01:02 PM
One would think so. If not, I'd say you got a problem brewing with the brass in the Hub.

Rob Bradford is ok but he's hardly an insider. I think Reed is a more viable option and Nomar's going to LA anyways IMO.

Evil Empire
12-16-05, 01:06 PM
If the Braves were set to deal Marte for Crisp and then had to about face and get a shortstop when Furcal bolted, it seems to make sense to me that the Indians would still want Marte.

Mota? Heck, I'd be happy to get rid of him.

Oh, and the Red Sox aren't giving up Renteria, Cash, Marte and Mota...they never had Renteria, Cash, and Marte all at the same time to give up. That's like saying if I give you 10 singles and you give me 2 fives and then I give the 2 fives to someone else for a ten dollar bill, the ten dollar bill cost me 20 bucks.

But why deal two players, one a top prospect, one a mediocre to good reliever(where they need help) for a mediocre LF whose going to play CF?

Tifoso
12-16-05, 01:08 PM
That's like saying if I give you 10 singles and you give me 2 fives and then I give the 2 fives to someone else for a ten dollar bill, the ten dollar bill cost me 20 bucks.

The trains meet in Alamo in 1.34 hours?

BJG
12-16-05, 01:16 PM
But why deal two players, one a top prospect, one a mediocre to good reliever(where they need help) for a mediocre LF whose going to play CF?

Crisp is a an excellent defensive left fielder and a better than average defensive centerfielder. He is a better defender than Damon

Crisp's .280 EQA was the same as Damon's last year.

Crisp is 25 and likely to get better with the bat (and a bit worse on defense, but he's got some slack there to still be at least average in CF). Damon is likely to get worse.

Damon costs substantially more money, meaning you could spend some of that on a better reliever than Mota is anyway. Plus, the Red Sox do have a ton of young pitching.

Basically, I don't think Crisp is a mediocre left fielder. I think he is actually quite good as an overall LF package and I think he is very good CF.

It's still a tough calll to trade Marte for him, but it's not one that you at least don't sit down and consider.

BJG
12-16-05, 01:18 PM
The trains meet in Alamo in 1.34 hours?

Train A is going 37 MPH and Train B is going 51 MPH.

gold23
12-16-05, 01:24 PM
Crisp is a an excellent defensive left fielder and a better than average defensive centerfielder. He is a better defender than Damon

Crisp's .280 EQA was the same as Damon's last year.

Crisp is 25 and likely to get better with the bat (and a bit worse on defense, but he's got some slack there to still be at least average in CF). Damon is likely to get worse.

Damon costs substantially more money, meaning you could spend some of that on a better reliever than Mota is anyway. Plus, the Red Sox do have a ton of young pitching.

Basically, I don't think Crisp is a mediocre left fielder. I think he is actually quite good as an overall LF package and I think he is very good CF.

It's still a tough calll to trade Marte for him, but it's not one that you at least don't sit down and consider.

I'd deal Marte for him in a second. Crisp is already a pretty good ballplayer, and has a ton of talent. Could improve anywhere from a shade to a measurable amount- making him a good to potentially very good all around player. Marte has a ton of talent. He was overmatched in the majors last year. Doesn't mean he isn't going to succeed, but it does mean he had a little ways to go to be a productive player at the top level.

My point is that there is a chance that Marte is never even a passable player in the majors, and a better than good chance that he is never a star. How many top shelf prospects actually become stars? I'd say that if he became a borderline all-star caliber 3B down the road, it would still not be a terrible trade to address a current hole with a rising talent like Crisp.

27IsNext
12-16-05, 02:17 PM
4-5 million, if true (and everyone is reporting that), won't do it. The Yanks are offering him close to Cairo money and Cairo is no Nomar. I'll be disappointed...actually pissed.. if it came down to money and the Yanks sign Cairo for a million or so less, even 2-3 million. I guess we will never know as players and agents usually take the high road and don't burn bridges.

Again, if true, to offer Nomar 4 million and basically a utility role, albeit where he should get enough at bats, is probably an insult to him. I wouldn't be surprised if he's already turned off by the Yanks offer and just names them as a contender for his services to bring his price up. I truly believe that if the right offer were already made he'd probably be a Yank, or they'd at least stand a better chance. Just my gut.

Signing Cairo won't have any effect on signing Nomar. Cairo would be brought back to be a backup, Nomar a starter (1B/DH).

23and2
12-16-05, 03:42 PM
All indications point to Nomar going to LA:

- reports that Nomar met for serveral hours with LA front office reps including Little and Lasorda

- rumored preference for west coast team.

- reports that Nomar offered 1B and utility role (possibly LF at some point) by LA

- fact he has a home(s?) in LA.

- chance to reunite with Mueller and Little, and possibly be joined by Damon.

So he should be a Yankee by the end of the day!

destro
12-16-05, 03:44 PM
i wish he would just make up his god damn mind

Mark19
12-16-05, 03:45 PM
i wish he would just make up his god damn mind

his hesitation and indecision cost him 4 years/60 million from the BoSox.

BJG
12-16-05, 03:54 PM
I'd deal Marte for him in a second. Crisp is already a pretty good ballplayer, and has a ton of talent. Could improve anywhere from a shade to a measurable amount- making him a good to potentially very good all around player. Marte has a ton of talent. He was overmatched in the majors last year. Doesn't mean he isn't going to succeed, but it does mean he had a little ways to go to be a productive player at the top level.

My point is that there is a chance that Marte is never even a passable player in the majors, and a better than good chance that he is never a star. How many top shelf prospects actually become stars? I'd say that if he became a borderline all-star caliber 3B down the road, it would still not be a terrible trade to address a current hole with a rising talent like Crisp.

In a vacuum, sure, I'd make the deal. However, what would make me hesitate is the fact that I can apparently get Reed for Arroyo. Moving forward, I have to ask if I'd rather have 6 years of Marte and 5 years of Reed or 4 years of Crisp and 1 year of Arroyo, even if Reed isn't Coco Crisp right now.

ryanthe13th
12-16-05, 03:57 PM
Signing Cairo won't have any effect on signing Nomar. Cairo would be brought back to be a backup, Nomar a starter (1B/DH).

I think he is trying to say that we're being cautious with the amount of money we give Nomar, but we're opening the wallet to Cairo. Hopefully this isn't true.

Mark19
12-16-05, 04:11 PM
ESPN News says that Nomar may not make his decision until sometime next week. I guess it is a good thing that LA isn't a no-brainer for him. I think this guy can really help us out and we should open up the wallet to secure him.

Kulish29
12-16-05, 04:42 PM
ESPN News says that Nomar may not make his decision until sometime next week. I guess it is a good thing that LA isn't a no-brainer for him. I think this guy can really help us out and we should open up the wallet to secure him.

But that's not possible. A poster's brother's, friend's, sister's, boss', former landord's, proctologist said he's going sign with LA. How can Nomar be so unsure now?

ieddyi
12-16-05, 05:02 PM
I think he is trying to say that we're being cautious with the amount of money we give Nomar, but we're opening the wallet to Cairo. Hopefully this isn't true.

Has anybody heard about us "opening the wallet " for Cano

He made what 900k last year and his production was down from his career year here. How much more can he really expect?

jpao89
12-16-05, 05:02 PM
But that's not possible. A poster's brother's, friend's, sister's, boss', former landord's, proctologist said he's going sign with LA. How can Nomar be so unsure now?

Yes, but I have a friend who is a realtor who said that Nomar sold both houses on the West Coast and bought a Winnebago. You know what this means don't ya?

NewEraYanks2527
12-16-05, 05:12 PM
How is that? you are talking about 1 guy who talked to him.And also a link to the story while he was there yesterday.

But you can think as you wish but Nomar is going to LA or Clev and most likely LA.

the other 2 are out. Because you have no direct contact with the person we care about. You have supposedly a friend that says he is supposedly a friend of Nomar's. So really what you have is nothing. Take that story to any newspaper or even ESPN and they will laugh at you. Do you not see that what your friend knows means absolutley nothing? Don't you realize that when you make an allegation like this without harldy any credibility to your name you asking for this kind of response? Seriously how do you think this looks. Would you buy for one minute if I told you that I had a friend that is good friends with Nomar and he said that he wants to come to New York. Seriously, you have no proof and even if Nomar does sign with LA I still will not hold any stock in anything you have posted on the matter about your supposed friend.

IncredibleByNature
12-16-05, 05:13 PM
i wish he would just make up his god damn mind

Ditto.

I mean, I understand why he is taking his time, but...argh, just choose a team already.

Don Mack
12-16-05, 05:26 PM
ESPN News says that Nomar may not make his decision until sometime next week. I guess it is a good thing that LA isn't a no-brainer for him. I think this guy can really help us out and we should open up the wallet to secure him.
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I agree. I sort of think he is waiting for the Yankees to offer him a bit more money and then he'll sign. He has the best chance to win a REAL WS ring with the Yankees if he signs. (He got a ring from Boston but wasn't on the team when they won.) And he has to know the Dodgers don't have much in the way of pitching so why go there to lose???

Mark19
12-16-05, 05:28 PM
Jayson Stark on MK Show is saying that the Dodgers are the best bet because of Nomar's houses in SoCal.

Ghost of Dan Pasqua
12-16-05, 05:42 PM
Jayson Stark on MK Show is saying that the Dodgers are the best bet because of Nomar's houses in SoCal.

Did Nomar not have those houses when he signed with Chicago last year? Call me crazy, but I think that house stuff is BS, why is he suddenly wanting to play at home, he had the same chance last year too. For me, it's a Nomar negotiating tactic to get more money out of Cleveland or the Yankees.