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27IsNext
06-07-05, 04:56 PM
What exactly is it about college players that you guys don't like?

Fenrir
06-07-05, 04:57 PM
Man we are tough, there's still like 40 rounds to go!!!
The first ten are the most important in my mind, we've got a few more chances to make this a success (to me).

Shadowblade225
06-07-05, 04:57 PM
yeah there are 40 rounds to go but i feel we didnt get enough out of our first few picks

but then again pujols was drafted like in the 14th round or something and piazza was drafted late

its a game of luck

ZYanksRule
06-07-05, 04:58 PM
The first ten are the most important in my mind, we've got a few more chances to make this a success (to me).

I understand that, but how many guys in the bigs are 37th round selections, or something like that?

Alot. I just think we need to give this thing time.

sugmasterflex
06-07-05, 04:58 PM
LIKE WHO ?

Cody Satterwhite, Austin Jackson, David Duncan (has he been drafted yet?), Justin Smoak, etc...

sir_captain
06-07-05, 04:59 PM
Venable to San Diego in the 6th Round--nice pick

Fenrir
06-07-05, 04:59 PM
I understand that, but how many guys in the bigs are 37th round selections, or something like that?

Alot. I just think we need to give this thing time.
Good point, I'd still like to see them mix it up and vary the types of players they take early.

JeffWeaverFan
06-07-05, 05:01 PM
What exactly is it about college players that you guys don't like?
Less upside.

Fenrir
06-07-05, 05:01 PM
Cody Satterwhite, Austin Jackson, David Duncan (has he been drafted yet?), Justin Smoak, etc...
Can't believe Satt is still on the board, and as for Smoak, it's amazing what signabliity can do to your stock.

EDIT: and yes, Duncan and Jackson are still on the board too

jerez23
06-07-05, 05:02 PM
Maybe the reason for all the college guys is that they want to make the Staten Island Yankees as competitve as possible. They really have been bad the last couple of years due to the high frequency of HS players chosen the last few years. If that is the case, it's terrible thinking.

Shadowblade225
06-07-05, 05:02 PM
i have nothing against college guys i just want to see some highschool high risk/jigh upside guys drafted

ZYanksRule
06-07-05, 05:03 PM
Good point, I'd still like to see them mix it up and vary the types of players they take early.

See honestly, I dont mind the college kids, only because I would rather kids that can help us in 2-3 years, rather than the 17 year olds that may take 5 years to develop. This way, they are already getting good, there's less work we have to do with them.

Huston Street was taken last year, I believe, and BAM, he is the closer for the A's. I rather that than Eric Duncan, while I like his promise, he is still 3-4 years from helping us.

27IsNext
06-07-05, 05:03 PM
Less upside.

But what if the college guys turn into stud prospects? Will it still hurt our farm rating because they have "less upside"?

I don't know much about drafting, so I honestly want to know.

siddiqi
06-07-05, 05:04 PM
there are plenty of high ceiling players available later in the draft. we got garabedian in the 10th round last year, even though we didn't sign him.

maldon
06-07-05, 05:05 PM
But what if the college guys turn into stud prospects? Will it still hurt our farm rating because they have "less upside"?

I don't know much about drafting, so I honestly want to know.

Less upside means that they are less likely to turn into stud prospects and in the ML level, superstars.

ZYanksRule
06-07-05, 05:06 PM
Wow, Yanks taking alot of pitchers....

27IsNext
06-07-05, 05:06 PM
Less upside means that they are less likely to turn into stud prospects and in the ML level, superstars.

I see. Greater risk, greater reward. Now all the talk on this board is making senes.

Pardon my ignorance. Continue. :mickey:

JeffWeaverFan
06-07-05, 05:06 PM
But what if the college guys turn into stud prospects? Will it still hurt our farm rating because they have "less upside"?

I don't know much about drafting, so I honestly want to know.
It's not that it will hurt our farm, it just gives us less of a chance of finding a superstar in the draft. Right now, the Yankees don't have many guys in the upper levels, so that is probably the reason they are going with these college guys.

I should admit that I also don't know much about drafting.

Yanks21
06-07-05, 05:06 PM
Fister is a tall dude. Another 2-way player. He's still considered projectable...

The more I've read about Kroenke, the more I'm impressed. Ace of a team that is one of the favorites to with the CWS. Just struck out 13 against Creighton to clinch a spot in the Super Regionals...

Yankees just picked another College lefty...

sir_captain
06-07-05, 05:07 PM
Garrett Patterson:

LHP Garrett Patterson (14) is finally healthy after battling elbow problems at Kansas State, Grayson County Community College and Oklahoma. He has come back from two surgeries to touch 95 mph this spring. Patterson, who usually pitches at 89-92 mph, also has added depth to his curveball and uses a cutter. He has held opponents to a .192 average and zero homers this spring. A club willing to overlook Patterson's medical history and age (23) could take him around the 10th round. A rare fifth-year junior, he can be a draft-and-follow.

27IsNext
06-07-05, 05:07 PM
Another college guy. So much for upside. ;)

Fenrir
06-07-05, 05:08 PM
Garrett Patterson 6'2" 220 Oklahoma
MLB Profile:
COMMENT: Large frame. Broad shoulders. Thick body, legs. Similar to Denny Neagle. Power southpaw. Loose arm. FB velocity consistently above avg., occasional better w/ riding life. CB rotation tight at times, 3/4 downer break. Physically mature.

Some Video (plug into media player): mms://a1503.v108692.c10869.g.vm.akamaistream.net/7/1503/10869/v0001/mlb.download.akamai.com/10869/2005/open/draft/prospects/patterson_garrett_r_350.wmv?ct1=mlb

Shadowblade225
06-07-05, 05:10 PM
wtf we could have got him in the 10th round?

hes 23 too...

JeffWeaverFan
06-07-05, 05:10 PM
Allright, lets draft just a couple highschool players here.

maldon
06-07-05, 05:11 PM
With all the college players it looks like we're trying to imitate the A's.

Yankyfan
06-07-05, 05:11 PM
You mean to tell me Doherty doesn't have a better up side then this guy?How about Duncan.Whats UP?? :(

Kulish29
06-07-05, 05:12 PM
It makes no sense to me. If anything wouldn't you take the polished player in the 1st and then go high cieling later. They got my hopes up, I was thinking we were going high schoolers for most of the draft.

I dont mind taking college players, but mix it up. They've taken all college players with the exception of Henry. They said their strategy with the draft was BPA. I guess to them that means college players. Bummer.

Fenrir
06-07-05, 05:12 PM
I think Billy Beane has taken control of your front office by force.

maldon
06-07-05, 05:12 PM
Doherty is unimpressive for someone his size.

ReggieBar
06-07-05, 05:12 PM
With all the college players it looks like we're trying to imitate the A's.

6 of 8 A's picks have been High School

siddiqi
06-07-05, 05:12 PM
i think these next few rounds we should try to take some guys with high upside.

maldon
06-07-05, 05:13 PM
6 of 8 A's picks have been High School

From previous years I meant. :)

maldon
06-07-05, 05:15 PM
Round 8 and we still have no HS guys other than Henry. Come on guys. This draft is deep. Go get some high upside guys.

ReggieBar
06-07-05, 05:15 PM
From previous years I meant. :)

I know. Did Beane go to the toilet and not come out after the first 2 picks?

Nick Papagorgio
06-07-05, 05:16 PM
With all the college players it looks like we're trying to imitate the A's.

I've said for the past couple years that it's a good philosophy for the Yanks, too. Every year the Yanks are trying to make a deadline deal to fill a need and the teams they're dealing with want guys who are major-league ready. So why not draft college prospects who are going to reach AAA and the bigs faster?

Yankyfan
06-07-05, 05:17 PM
Maladon so was RJ when he was drafted!!

maldon
06-07-05, 05:18 PM
I've said for the past couple years that it's a good philosophy for the Yanks, too. Every year the Yanks are trying to make a deadline deal to fill a need and the teams they're dealing with want guys who are major-league ready. So why not draft college prospects who are going to reach AAA and the bigs faster?

Because if you want to get anywhere near close to shedding down a 200 million salary with great players then your have to go with upside guys. Your philosophy is an example of what has plagued the Yankee Farm system the last couple years and eventually brought what used to be a great star stocked system to a shadow of its former self.

maldon
06-07-05, 05:18 PM
Maladon so was RJ when he was drafted!!

RJ threw harder and had flashed that dominant slider plus he was a starter. The only valid comparison between RJ and Doherty is that they are both very very tall.

Yankyfan
06-07-05, 05:19 PM
Koby Cleemmens drafted by Houston??

Yankyfan
06-07-05, 05:19 PM
You have to look at the up side !!

maldon
06-07-05, 05:20 PM
You have to look at the up side !!

The sad part is for a 7 foot 2 guy I don't see much.

Kulish29
06-07-05, 05:21 PM
So why not draft college prospects who are going to reach AAA and the bigs faster?

I dont mind college players, but take a risk or two on some players that are projected to be better than some of the college players that are being picked. Every single pick has been a college pick sans Henry. It looks like to me, and a lot of others, that they just want to get college guys in the system so they can bolster the AA and AAA rosters. But what good are drafting those players if they turn out to be busts?

The Yankees came into this draft saying, "We have no set strategy with this draft." After the last 7 rounds (I'm not counting the 1st) it seems that they are doing the exact opposite of the above statement.

maldon
06-07-05, 05:21 PM
Koby Clemens with the Astros. Solid pick for the 8th round.

JeffWeaverFan
06-07-05, 05:21 PM
Austin Jackson - CF - Bily Ryan, HS

harkode2002
06-07-05, 05:21 PM
You got your wish for a high schooler - Austin Jackson another Center Fielder

Fenrir
06-07-05, 05:21 PM
Yesssss

Great Pick

JeffWeaverFan
06-07-05, 05:22 PM
Yesssss

Great Pick

Talk to me. What's the word?

Kulish29
06-07-05, 05:22 PM
Austin Jackson - CF - Bily Ryan, HS

Is that the Austin Jackson I'm thinking of? Did he fall that far? He has signability issues I believe, he plays basketball as well.

Shadowblade225
06-07-05, 05:22 PM
whats this austin jackson guy like?

maldon
06-07-05, 05:23 PM
You got your wish for a high schooler - Austin Jackson another Center Fielder

If I remember correctly Jackson has extreme upside.

Tall frame. Well proportioned, lean body. Athletic ability in CF like Tori Hunter. Long, arcing power swing w/ full extension. Adequate arm strength. Makes accurate throws. Loose, flexible actions. Quickness. Athletic ability.

Fenrir
06-07-05, 05:23 PM
Austin Jackson 6'1" 185
MLB.com Profile:
COMMENT: Tall frame. Well proportioned, lean body. Athletic ability in CF like Tori Hunter. Long, arcing power swing w/ full extension. Adequate arm strength. Makes accurate throws. Loose, flexible actions. Quickness. Athletic ability.

Some Video(plug into media player): mms://a1503.v108692.c10869.g.vm.akamaistream.net/7/1503/10869/v0001/mlb.download.akamai.com/10869/2005/open/draft/prospects/jackson_austin_j_350.wmv?ct1=mlb

maldon
06-07-05, 05:24 PM
Is that the Austin Jackson I'm thinking of? Did he fall that far? He has signability issues I believe, he plays basket ball as well.

YES! Another 2-way guy. Man I'm beginning to love this draft.

TheScooter
06-07-05, 05:25 PM
Remember in the movie Rounders,what John Malkovich's character the Russian said to his fellow gangster concerning Matt Damon's character

PAY THE MAN HIS MONEY

Austin Jackson

PAY THE MAN HIS MONEY

Yankyfan
06-07-05, 05:25 PM
Jackson is a good pick but will be hard sign.

JeffWeaverFan
06-07-05, 05:25 PM
Is that the Austin Jackson I'm thinking of? Did he fall that far? He has signability issues I believe, he plays basketball as well.
I don't know but if it is, they better sign him.

ZYanksRule
06-07-05, 05:26 PM
Seattle just got a great pick in Bryan Sabatella out of Quinnipiac, he hit for the NEC triple crown this year, and led the conference in almost every offensive category.

TheScooter
06-07-05, 05:26 PM
whats this austin jackson guy like?

Basketball scholarship to Georgia Tech

sugmasterflex
06-07-05, 05:26 PM
Ok, Ok, AJ is good. Now, how about another one (Satterwhite?)?

JeffWeaverFan
06-07-05, 05:27 PM
Jackson is a good pick but will be hard sign.
Why? Asking for a lot?

Shadowblade225
06-07-05, 05:28 PM
im liking this guy sign him!

sugmasterflex
06-07-05, 05:28 PM
About $1.5M should be able to get him signed. Do it.

JeffWeaverFan
06-07-05, 05:28 PM
Basketball scholarship to Georgia Tech
I see. Give the kid money and get him here.

Yankyfan
06-07-05, 05:29 PM
You can bet on it.I believe he has ,as do alot of guy a div I college commitment.He was projected as a top 200 pick.

maldon
06-07-05, 05:29 PM
Let's get Anthony Varvaro!

Yankyfan
06-07-05, 05:30 PM
I'd like to chance Vavarro.

Fenrir
06-07-05, 05:30 PM
Let's get Anthony Varvaro!
I'm with you, but is this the right round?

maldon
06-07-05, 05:32 PM
It would be a solid pick in the 10-15 range.

Yankyfan
06-07-05, 05:32 PM
Another OF??

siddiqi
06-07-05, 05:32 PM
i'd like varvaro later on in the draft.....

Kulish29
06-07-05, 05:32 PM
I see. Give the kid money and get him here.

They had better. I hope this pick doesnt end up like the Alex G. pick last year.

DiMaggio5CF
06-07-05, 05:33 PM
James Cooper OF

sugmasterflex
06-07-05, 05:33 PM
Day 2 for Vavaro.


On Jackson: he is a first round talent who slipped b/c of signability. Upside comparable to our first pick, C.J. Henry.

JeffWeaverFan
06-07-05, 05:33 PM
James Cooper - LF - Loyola Marymount U.

Fenrir
06-07-05, 05:33 PM
Are they trying to draft OF that will make great players coming off the bench in AA? I'm so confused right now.

Fenrir
06-07-05, 05:34 PM
I thought after Henry, Gardner and Jackson we'd be done with OF for a while.

Yankyfan
06-07-05, 05:35 PM
Has Weber been selected??

JeffWeaverFan
06-07-05, 05:35 PM
Any news on this kid?

siddiqi
06-07-05, 05:35 PM
we should have taken satterwhite with that last pick....

maldon
06-07-05, 05:35 PM
Are they trying to draft OF that will make great players coming off the bench in AA? I'm so confused right now.

i'm with you bro. the jackson pick was inspiring. here's to more like it.

Michaels07
06-07-05, 05:36 PM
Another OF??

No Ryan Doherty, keep looking :D

maldon
06-07-05, 05:37 PM
come on guys. DeSean Jackson.

siddiqi
06-07-05, 05:37 PM
any info at all on james cooper?

ICEBERG18
06-07-05, 05:37 PM
Tuesday, 5:31 PM: They'd Have A Chance Against The Knicks
by Aaron Fitt

The Yankees just can't get enough of basketball players. After taking CJ Henry in the first round, they went after Austin Jackson, who has accepted a basketball scholarship at Georgia Tech, in the eighth. While he might be just as athletically gifted as Henry, Jackson is deemed a tougher sign. He did not appear too enthusiastic about baseball this season as scouts felt was going through the motions and had already decided he wanted to play basketball. There are no questions about his talent. On a whim, he went to the plate lefthanded in the midst of a blowout and hit a home run in the only lefthanded at-bat of his high school career. In a game played at the Rangers' Ameriquest Field, he hit one in the second deck in left field from his natural right side. Jackson has been on the BA radar for years, as he was named the player for the ages as a 12-year-old in 1999. You are more likely to see him playing point guard for the Yellow Jackets in the Sweet Sixteen next March then at the Yankees spring training complex.

maldon
06-07-05, 05:38 PM
hopefully all the odd college picks were so that we could save up for overspending on high ceiling signability picks.

Yankyfan
06-07-05, 05:38 PM
Still hope M07

Fenrir
06-07-05, 05:39 PM
Tuesday, 5:31 PM: They'd Have A Chance Against The Knicks
by Aaron Fitt

The Yankees just can't get enough of basketball players. After taking CJ Henry in the first round, they went after Austin Jackson, who has accepted a basketball scholarship at Georgia Tech, in the eighth. While he might be just as athletically gifted as Henry, Jackson is deemed a tougher sign. He did not appear too enthusiastic about baseball this season as scouts felt was going through the motions and had already decided he wanted to play basketball. There are no questions about his talent. On a whim, he went to the plate lefthanded in the midst of a blowout and hit a home run in the only lefthanded at-bat of his high school career. In a game played at the Rangers' Ameriquest Field, he hit one in the second deck in left field from his natural right side. Jackson has been on the BA radar for years, as he was named the player for the ages as a 12-year-old in 1999. You are more likely to see him playing point guard for the Yellow Jackets in the Sweet Sixteen next March then at the Yankees spring training complex.
WOW

I hope they throw some cash at that kid.

sugmasterflex
06-07-05, 05:43 PM
No prep pitcher yet. Duncan and Satterwhite are still on the board.


Btw, Jackson has been compared to Ken Griffey, Jr.

Yankyfan
06-07-05, 05:43 PM
Doesn't sound good but maybe they know something we don't.Sounds like he may have a bad TUDE.

Yankyfan
06-07-05, 05:46 PM
Anson Kyle 3rd basemen??

ICEBERG18
06-07-05, 05:46 PM
Tuesday, 5:31 PM: They'd Have A Chance Against The Knicks
by Aaron Fitt

The Yankees just can't get enough of basketball players. After taking CJ Henry in the first round, they went after Austin Jackson, who has accepted a basketball scholarship at Georgia Tech, in the eighth. While he might be just as athletically gifted as Henry, Jackson is deemed a tougher sign. He did not appear too enthusiastic about baseball this season as scouts felt was going through the motions and had already decided he wanted to play basketball. There are no questions about his talent. On a whim, he went to the plate lefthanded in the midst of a blowout and hit a home run in the only lefthanded at-bat of his high school career. In a game played at the Rangers' Ameriquest Field, he hit one in the second deck in left field from his natural right side. Jackson has been on the BA radar for years, as he was named the player for the ages as a 12-year-old in 1999. You are more likely to see him playing point guard for the Yellow Jackets in the Sweet Sixteen next March then at the Yankees spring training complex.


I hope they didn't draft him just to draft him & are actually going to make an effort to sign him.

Yankyfan
06-07-05, 05:47 PM
Could be another Garebedian

maldon
06-07-05, 05:47 PM
Kyle Anson. Another college player.

ICEBERG18
06-07-05, 05:48 PM
Anyo info on Douglas Fister?

Yankyfan
06-07-05, 05:48 PM
Other then Austin this has been a dull one .

Fabien Brandy
06-07-05, 05:49 PM
From Brewerfan.net pre-draft: 'For now [Austin Jackson] intends to honor his commitment to GT while hoping to play pro baseball during the spring & summer months.' Do the Yankees risk a Drew Henson situation? Would letting Jackson do both give Henry ideas if he gets off to a slow start?

Big decisions.

Yankyfan
06-07-05, 05:50 PM
Fister is 6-8 and has room to improve.I like that pick!

JeffWeaverFan
06-07-05, 05:50 PM
Any news on Kyle Anson?

ICEBERG18
06-07-05, 05:51 PM
Justin Bristow anyone?

Fenrir
06-07-05, 05:53 PM
Any news on Kyle Anson?
Apparently he hit .292 last year.

Sam2448
06-07-05, 05:53 PM
No prep pitcher yet. Duncan and Satterwhite are still on the board.


Btw, Jackson has been compared to Ken Griffey, Jr.

Why don't they draft Duncan, he seems to have higher ceiling than almost anyone else in the draft. I'd rather have him than that Rice ceiling guy.

ieddyi
06-07-05, 05:54 PM
With all the college players it looks like we're trying to imitate the A's.

Would that be a terrible thing considering all the good talent they have brought up to the majors???

ICEBERG18
06-07-05, 05:54 PM
Kyle Anson-Scrappy infielder who would be proud to be called a dirtball, in the baseball sense.

JeffWeaverFan
06-07-05, 05:54 PM
Apparently he hit .292 last year.
Any power or good OBP?

Where in mlb.com do I get the scouting reports?

Fenrir
06-07-05, 05:56 PM
Any power or good OBP?

Where in mlb.com do I get the scouting reports?
He slugged .421 last year, don't know what his OBP was.

Here is the mlb.com reports.
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/components/events/draft/y2005/tracker/tracker_lastName_A_1.html

Anson isn't on there.

Macklew
06-07-05, 05:57 PM
Oh boy.

I don't like the direction this draft is taking...

We really need to draft some great prospects so we can trade them for a few oldtimers that are "looking for a ring." The only ring they are getting this year is a call from the Social Security Agency.

Yanks21
06-07-05, 05:57 PM
Here's some poop on Kyle Anson...

http://www.borderlandnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050607/SPORTS/506070346/1002

BTW, not to rain on the parade, but there's little to no chance Austin Jackson signs. I think it will wind-up being a wasted pick...

Yankyfan
06-07-05, 05:58 PM
Doherty,Vavarro,Duncan still out there.Anyone know if Weber was selected.

Fenrir
06-07-05, 05:59 PM
Here's some poop on Kyle Anson...

http://www.borderlandnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050607/SPORTS/506070346/1002

BTW, not to rain on the parade, but there's little to no chance Austin Jackson signs. I think it will wind-up being a wasted pick...
Good stuff, apparently he was much better this year.


"Kyle played for us in 2002 and 2003, and he should go high also," PiŮeda said. "I know he's ranked high on Baseball America's list for the top players in Texas.

"He played third base at Texas State and for us, but I hear they (scouts) are looking at him at third, second and catcher, depending on who drafts him."

Anson hit .353 in 58 games, with seven home runs and 55 RBIs.

Forbes also thinks Anson (6-0, 204) has what it takes to be a pro player.

"It won't surprise me one bit if he moves on (and plays professionally)," Forbes said. "He just loves the game. The only thing I'm worried about is that he's a senior, and sometimes they draft seniors lower.

maldon
06-07-05, 05:59 PM
Would that be a terrible thing considering all the good talent they have brought up to the majors???

While its too early to say from the initial outlook it seems that only a few guys we have drafted have significant upside.

mik3
06-07-05, 05:59 PM
I hate using this term, but Jackson might sign, for Yankee money.

JeffWeaverFan
06-07-05, 06:00 PM
He slugged .421 last year, don't know what his OBP was.

Here is the mlb.com reports.
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/components/events/draft/y2005/tracker/tracker_lastName_A_1.html

Anson isn't on there.
Thanks.

Fabien Brandy
06-07-05, 06:00 PM
After leading Texas State to 32 wins in the regular season, Kyle Anson and Nolan Mast were named to the First Team All-Southland Conference baseball squad.

Anson, a senior third baseman from Horizon City, ranks fourth with a .354 batting average in 56 games, producing a .522 slugging percentage and .467 on-base mark. He scored 39 runs and drove in 55 for the Bobcats.

Fenrir
06-07-05, 06:01 PM
After leading Texas State to 32 wins in the regular season, Kyle Anson and Nolan Mast were named to the First Team All-Southland Conference baseball squad.

Anson, a senior third baseman from Horizon City, ranks fourth with a .354 batting average in 56 games, producing a .522 slugging percentage and .467 on-base mark. He scored 39 runs and drove in 55 for the Bobcats.
Damn, huge jump from last year to this year. That's very positive. Does that mean he figured out the college level or he figured out the game in general?

siddiqi
06-07-05, 06:01 PM
if we sign jackson for big money at least it will be worth it instead of investing in the wrights and kevin browns of the world......

ICEBERG18
06-07-05, 06:02 PM
BTW, not to rain on the parade, but there's little to no chance Austin Jackson signs. I think it will wind-up being a wasted pick...

I get that feeling also.

mik3
06-07-05, 06:02 PM
if we sign jackson for big money at least it will be worth it instead of investing in the wrights and kevin browns of the world......
Yeah, at least use the money on a high schooler with upside instead of another player who's old enough to be his dad.

Fenrir
06-07-05, 06:02 PM
if we sign jackson for big money at least it will be worth it instead of investing in the wrights and kevin browns of the world......
With Jaret Wright's money, we could sign like about 15 players with "signability issues" :(

Yankyfan
06-07-05, 06:03 PM
Fen your right on the money with that statement!!

Macklew
06-07-05, 06:06 PM
Yanks up in about 10 picks, hoping for the best

Is Drew Henson still available? :D

Yankyfan
06-07-05, 06:08 PM
How do you draft a guy whos name is Goswish??Glad we passed on him

Yanks21
06-07-05, 06:09 PM
9th round pick James Cooper...

http://lmulions.collegesports.com/sports/m-basebl/mtt/cooper_james00.html

mik3
06-07-05, 06:11 PM
I'm sure it's probably been said already, but thanks to the guys looking up the info on these picks and potential picks.

maldon
06-07-05, 06:12 PM
Let's get DeSean Jackson.

Yanks21
06-07-05, 06:12 PM
Alan Horne...Former first round pick of the Indians...Had major arm injury...Rebounded this season in a huge way. Quite possibly the best pick of the day...

JeffWeaverFan
06-07-05, 06:13 PM
William Horne -RHP - U. Florida

Fenrir
06-07-05, 06:13 PM
William Horne U Florida RHP R/R 6'4" 195 1983-01-05

COMMENT: Tall, lean, wiry build, like Kris Benson. FB mostly 88-89 mph w/ slight sink down in zone. Loose out front, w/ whip-like arm action. Uses cut FB as a slider, quick, late, sharp break, best pitch. Around the strike zone, keeps ball down.

And DAMNIT, there goes our chance for Varvaro.

JeffWeaverFan
06-07-05, 06:14 PM
Alan Horne...Former first round pick of the Indians...Had major arm injury...Rebounded this season in a huge way. Quite possibly the best pick of the day...
I like, I like! :D

maldon
06-07-05, 06:14 PM
Mariners took Varvaro. Damnit!

Yankyfan
06-07-05, 06:14 PM
Vavarro to Seattle DAMN!!

Fenrir
06-07-05, 06:15 PM
Alan Horne...Former first round pick of the Indians...Had major arm injury...Rebounded this season in a huge way. Quite possibly the best pick of the day...
I guess his name is Alan William Horne or something. Here is is UF profile:

http://www.gatorzone.com/baseball/bios.php?year=2005&bio=horne.html

This season:
Player............... ERA W-L APP GS CG SHO/CBO SV IP H R ER BB SO
32 Alan Horne..... 3.71 6-1 10 10 1 0/0 0 63.0 68 27 26 29 59

Kulish29
06-07-05, 06:15 PM
I dont think the Yankees have drafted enough outfielders yet. They should draft like 20 more.

mik3
06-07-05, 06:15 PM
From gatorsports.com
"He's always been a bulldog," Jeroloman said. "Alan Horne is one of those guys you can look into his eyes and there's no fear."gatorsports.com (http://www.gatorsports.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050515/GATORS04/205150325/-1/GATORS2503)

Yankyfan
06-07-05, 06:16 PM
Love the Horn selection alot.RISKY but good

Kulish29
06-07-05, 06:16 PM
Doesn't sound good but maybe they know something we don't.Sounds like he may have a bad TUDE.

I dont care. If they can get him signed it's like getting two first round players.Throw him money! Why pick him if you're not going to sign him? I'll be pissed if they lowball this kid.

Yanks21
06-07-05, 06:18 PM
Seattle took Anthony Varvaro in round 12. Nice gamble...

mik3
06-07-05, 06:18 PM
From the looks of things so far, is any team having an amazing draft? I know the sox have a billion picks early.

ICEBERG18
06-07-05, 06:19 PM
5/15/05

by John Manuel

Florida righthander Alan Horne was already a first-round pick, having gone 27th overall to the Indians in the 2001 draft. However, Horne didnít sign, beginning a college odyssey that started at Mississippi, wound last year through Chipola (Fla.) JC, included Tommy John surgery and finally a transfer at mid-semester to Florida, where he has settled in as the Saturday starter.

This past Saturday, Horne had one of his best starts in college, a 130-pitch, complete-game victory against Mississippi State in a 2-1 Gators decision. Two scouts at the game report Horne didnít touch the 96 mph he was rumored to hit, but they were still impressed with Horneís stuff, which should be good enough to move him into the third- to fifth-round range. Horneís fastball sat in the 88-93 mph range and touched 94 several times. He also showed better command of the fastball and slider heís refined this season with the Gators, a pitch he picked up at Chipola.

ďHeís improved,Ē one scout with an American League club said, ďand he competes; I donít think thatís a problem. Heís still slow to the plate, one thing that makes you wonder if he can be a reliever, and I donít know if he throws enough strikes to be a starter. But someone will bite.Ē

Macklew
06-07-05, 06:21 PM
Not exactly sure what "pie-throwing arm-action" looks like...

That means he hits the batter in the face. :D

maldon
06-07-05, 06:23 PM
Joseph Muisch. College catcher.

JeffWeaverFan
06-07-05, 06:23 PM
Joseph Muich - C - Witchita State U.

Yanks21
06-07-05, 06:23 PM
Horne was drafted last year by the Angels in the 30th round. They offered him a 6 figure bonus...

mik3
06-07-05, 06:23 PM
23 year old college catcher. sure, why not

maldon
06-07-05, 06:24 PM
It seems the Yankees are on a quest to get players with no upside. :(

FelipePArantes
06-07-05, 06:25 PM
i can see a little urgency sense in these picks, just 2 high scoolers, yankee's FO should be drafting for a short time need.

ICEBERG18
06-07-05, 06:25 PM
23 year old college catcher. sure, why not

LOL..

siddiqi
06-07-05, 06:26 PM
we really need to take more risks in the next couple of rounds.....

mik3
06-07-05, 06:26 PM
As long as we don't do something completely dumb, I like taking risks. And by dumb I mean, a few years ago when someone drafted Mike Vick even though he hadn't played baseball since freshman year of high school.

maldon
06-07-05, 06:27 PM
I'm a bit underwhelmed right now.

a yankeesfan
06-07-05, 06:28 PM
As long as we don't do something completely dumb, I like taking risks. And by dumb I mean, a few years ago when someone drafted Mike Vick even though he hadn't played baseball since freshman year of high school.
what round was he picked in?

Yanks21
06-07-05, 06:28 PM
Some dirt on Muich...

http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/sports/colleges/wichita_state_university/11673436.htm

mik3
06-07-05, 06:29 PM
what round was he picked in?
30th, and I was wrong, he hadn't played baseball since he was 13. I mean, 30th isn't that big a chance, but they knew he wouldn't play.

Kulish29
06-07-05, 06:30 PM
It seems the Yankees are on a quest to get players with no upside. :(

They're on a quest to fill up their higher level minor league clubs in an attempt that some will stick and their minor leauge system will no longer be classified as barren.

God how I wish Grady Fuson were with the Yankees.

sugmasterflex
06-07-05, 06:30 PM
George will be ecstatic when the SI Yanks win the championship.

Kulish29
06-07-05, 06:32 PM
George will be ecstatic when the SI Yanks win the championship.

Unbelievable how bland this draft is. After Henry, it was all just vanilla.

Kulish29
06-07-05, 06:33 PM
Has Pedro Alvarez been picked yet?

mik3
06-07-05, 06:34 PM
If Jackson somehow signs the draft won't be as bad with Henry/Cox/Jackson, but if not it's a pretty much poopfest 05

maldon
06-07-05, 06:34 PM
If the draft continues to go in this direction then we should all demand the Scouting Director's head on a platter. This is exactly the type of draft the Yankees should NOT be pursuing especially when the chinks in the major club are becoming wider and more exposed than before.

mik3
06-07-05, 06:35 PM
Maybe this is some weird "well, cano and wang weren't too high, so why should we try with these touted guys" mentality going on in the FO?

maldon
06-07-05, 06:37 PM
Maybe this is some weird "well, cano and wang weren't too high, so why should we try with these touted guys" mentality going on in the FO?


Cano and Wang were both highly touted prospects. Wang signed for a 1.5 million bonus out of college in Taiwan if I remember correctly. His ascent was delayed by injury.

Kulish29
06-07-05, 06:37 PM
Maybe this is some weird "well, cano and wang weren't too high, so why should we try with these touted guys" mentality going on in the FO?

They were international signings.

Shadowblade225
06-07-05, 06:37 PM
Maybe this is some weird "well, cano and wang weren't too high, so why should we try with these touted guys" mentality going on in the FO?


nope its ummm "people say our farm system sucks so lets stock it with college guys instead of high schoolers with upside"

Its not THAT bad though

maldon
06-07-05, 06:38 PM
Another ................ing college guy. Karl Almonte. 1b. ................!

mik3
06-07-05, 06:38 PM
Wow, can't say I knew that. I only really started paying attention to the farm part of the team once everyone started badmouthing it. Well, once even places like ESPN started openly badmouthing it.

maldon
06-07-05, 06:39 PM
Newman and Oppenheimer should be the first to go.. ...

mik3
06-07-05, 06:39 PM
6'5 235, any other info on this guy?

Yankyfan
06-07-05, 06:41 PM
Common lets go for DOHERTY NOW!! PLEASE.HE has just as big an up side as anyone on the board.Enough with the 4 year college guys!!

Buzah!
06-07-05, 06:42 PM
I don't think this is a bad draft at all. And I think there's plenty of upside there.

maldon
06-07-05, 06:42 PM
Common lets go for DOHERTY NOW!! PLEASE.HE has just as big an up side as anyone on the board.Enough with the 4 year college guys!!

I'm willing to get Doherty just to get you to shut up. :mickey:

maldon
06-07-05, 06:43 PM
I don't think this is a bad draft at all. And I think there's plenty of upside there.


In like a grand total of 4 guys. One of which we prolly wont get close to signing.

mik3
06-07-05, 06:43 PM
It's almost like we're drafting like a team such as Milwaukee would draft. Lets take four year college guys who don't have a choice but to sign with us for whatever we offer.

Yankyfan
06-07-05, 06:45 PM
MAldon sounds good to me !! :D

Fabien Brandy
06-07-05, 06:45 PM
Newman and Oppenheimer should be the first to go.. ...

I remember a few years ago being terrified when Newman was being courted by other teams and George wouldn't let him go. Now I think he was all hype. The constant shuffling in Tampa leaves nobody accountable and they just take turns running different things.

maldon
06-07-05, 06:45 PM
It's almost like we're drafting like a team such as Milwaukee would draft. Lets take four year college guys who don't have a choice but to sign with us for whatever we offer.

Huh? That doesn't make sense at all. In the past they have been one of the most ballsy of organizations when dealing with high ceiling talent. I think you are thinking of the Nationals.

ICEBERG18
06-07-05, 06:45 PM
Do the Yankees know most of every teams top 10 prospects list is made up with the majority of HS players?

Buzah!
06-07-05, 06:45 PM
In like a grand total of 4 guys. One of which we prolly wont get close to signing.
I think the Yanks will sign Jackson, in fact I think one of the reasons they were "late" for the draft was that they were talking to the kids with signability issues, and seeing who wanted to work something out with them.

mik3
06-07-05, 06:46 PM
Huh? That doesn't make sense at all. In the past they have been one of the most ballsy of organizations when dealing with high ceiling talent. I think you are thinking of the Nationals.
I just threw a name out there to represent short armed when it comes to going in the pockets. Bad choice with the good guys they have waiting. But it's like we don't want to have to lure people in with big bonuses, so we're just taking college guys.

siddiqi
06-07-05, 06:47 PM
to be honest, most of the college guys they drafted all have moneyballesque attributes in that they get on base and have good ops.

Yankyfan
06-07-05, 06:47 PM
What school is Almonte from??

maldon
06-07-05, 06:47 PM
I think the Yanks will sign Jackson, in fact I think one of the reasons they were "late" for the draft was that they were talking to the kids with signability issues, and seeing who wanted to work something out with them.

There's still hope. Day 2 is where a lot of the signability guys will be. I'm not giving up just yet.

mik3
06-07-05, 06:47 PM
What school is Almonte from??
Auburn

Yankyfan
06-07-05, 06:48 PM
Damn Duncan to Minny. :mad:

maldon
06-07-05, 06:48 PM
What school is Almonte from??

Auburn U.

Buzah!
06-07-05, 06:48 PM
There's still hope. Day 2 is where a lot of the signability guys will be. I'm not giving up just yet.
I have a little more than hope;)

mik3
06-07-05, 06:48 PM
What guys with signability problems are still around, who are decent, if any?

Hidekifan57
06-07-05, 06:48 PM
I was told prior to the draft by a Yankees scout that they wouldn't touch Jackson unless they knew they could sign him. We'll see.

Buzah!
06-07-05, 06:49 PM
I was told prior to the draft by a Yankees scout that they wouldn't touch Jackson unless they knew they could sign him. We'll see.
bingo.

JeffWeaverFan
06-07-05, 06:49 PM
I was told prior to the draft by a Yankees scout that they wouldn't touch Jackson unless they knew they could sign him. We'll see.
I sure hope you're right.

maldon
06-07-05, 06:50 PM
I just threw a name out there to represent short armed when it comes to going in the pockets. Bad choice with the good guys they have waiting. But it's like we don't want to have to lure people in with big bonuses, so we're just taking college guys.

I wholeheartedly agree mik. It's sad. It makes me sick to think that we pay Doug Glanville the same smount of money to be cut from spring training for us to get a signability guy.

Buzah!
06-07-05, 06:50 PM
by the way, it's only a matter of time before the we complete the collection by making Danny Almonte a Yankee. How old is he now, 30?

Yankyfan
06-07-05, 06:50 PM
Boston Just drafted SS Pedro Alverez from the BRONX!! :mad:

sugmasterflex
06-07-05, 06:51 PM
I have a little more than hope;)

What do you know? :D

Buzah!
06-07-05, 06:52 PM
What do you know? :D
what hideki said.

mik3
06-07-05, 06:52 PM
Joel Perez, no school?

sugmasterflex
06-07-05, 06:52 PM
I was told prior to the draft by a Yankees scout that they wouldn't touch Jackson unless they knew they could sign him. We'll see.

Has anyone told you why they haven't drafted a single prep pitcher yet?

Yankyfan
06-07-05, 06:53 PM
I think Almonte comes out next year!!

Fabien Brandy
06-07-05, 06:53 PM
Karl Amonite is this year's version of Ben Jones/Cody Ehlers I think. Way too old for their league but decent if they're not blocking a real prospect and worth a flyer as a future bench guy. Because guys like Andy Phillips and Mitch Jones are at the peak of their ceilings and still can't get a shot, it does seem like these guys would have less value to the Yankees, who should be shooting for potential stars with every pick.

mik3
06-07-05, 06:53 PM
Did we just take a chance on a kid out of juvy or something?

siddiqi
06-07-05, 06:55 PM
who is joel perez?

mik3
06-07-05, 06:56 PM
The metsies are lovin' outfielders and pitchers.

BomberBrian
06-07-05, 06:56 PM
how many GCL teams will we field in order to play all these outfielders?

38Special
06-07-05, 06:57 PM
Joel Perez is a cuban defector

Yankyfan
06-07-05, 06:57 PM
Joel Perez no school?He might be a Cuban who entered the draft?

mik3
06-07-05, 06:57 PM
Joel Perez is a cuban defector
Anything say if he's good or not? And is he really 25 or so? :)

JeffWeaverFan
06-07-05, 06:58 PM
I think this is him:

http://havanajournal.com/culture_comments/A2487_0_3_0_M/

siddiqi
06-07-05, 06:58 PM
any sort of scouting report on him?
thanks for the link.

Yankyfan
06-07-05, 06:58 PM
Sorry 38 didn't see that you posted it. :mickey:

JeffWeaverFan
06-07-05, 06:59 PM
The link doesn't tell us much. There are no stats I could find and I doubt there are any.

BomberBrian
06-07-05, 06:59 PM
for the love of god please select justin bristow and pay the kid!

why is he still out there?

JeffWeaverFan
06-07-05, 07:01 PM
Joshua Schmidt - RHP - U. Pacific

Any relation to Jason Schmidt?

mik3
06-07-05, 07:02 PM
Maybe we just want to draft everyone born in 1982?

Yankyfan
06-07-05, 07:02 PM
RHP SHMITT any bio's

maldon
06-07-05, 07:02 PM
Surprise surprise. Another college pitcher. We seem to be allergic to anyone younger than 21. Joshua Schmidt.

JeffWeaverFan
06-07-05, 07:03 PM
http://pacifictigers.collegesports.com/sports/m-basebl/mtt/schmidt_josh00.html

He's a reliever I believe.

Yanks21
06-07-05, 07:04 PM
1. Karl Amoninte...D-Y-N-O-M-I-T-E...

2. The Red Sox are killing me. They've taken two kids born to be Yankees in Alvaez and Hansen. They also grab Bowden, Ellsbury, and Lowrie for good measure...

3. The Yankees took some dude that doesn't go to school...

4. Danny Almonte will be a high first round pick when he becomes draft eligible...

5. Milwaukee is one of the top drafting teams in baseball...

mik3
06-07-05, 07:04 PM
He looks like a huge dork lol But he's 6'4 175, maybe he'll grow into that and pick up a few MPH.

38Special
06-07-05, 07:04 PM
Josh Schmidt


36 G
60.1 IP
49 H
25 BB
89 SO

mik3
06-07-05, 07:05 PM
60.1 Ip
49 H
25 Bb
89 So
not bad, like the strikeout/walk ratio for a reliever.

Yankyfan
06-07-05, 07:07 PM
Schmitt not listed on BA.Where did you find his bio?

maldon
06-07-05, 07:08 PM
I just got a call from Brian Cashman. He wants me to kidnap the Tampa faction and let me run the draft for now on. Who wants to be my assistant scouting director?

38Special
06-07-05, 07:08 PM
University of the Pacific's website

Fenrir
06-07-05, 07:08 PM
Karl Amonite Auburn U 1B L/R 6'5" 235 1982-04-14

COMMENT: Built like John Olerud w/ nice approach at plate. Chance to hit for some power. Ball jumps off bat. Fifth year senior looking for chance in pro ball.

Vid Clip: mms://a1503.v108692.c10869.g.vm.akamaistream.net/7/1503/10869/v0001/mlb.download.akamai.com/10869/2005/open/draft/prospects/amonite_karl_m_350.wmv?ct1=mlb

Karl Amonite Auburn Profile Page: http://www.auburntigers.com/baseball/page.cfm?doc_id=2103

His Auburn Line:
Player AVG GP-GS AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB SLG% BB HBP SO GDP OB%

45 Karl Amonite..... .365 58-58 208 46 76 25 1 11 59 136 .654 41 5 35 2 .469

mik3
06-07-05, 07:10 PM
I do like the fact most of the guys we're drafting get on base.

Fenrir
06-07-05, 07:10 PM
Ok i'm back from an unwanted break and i'm underwhelmed by the last 4 selections (I liked the Horne pick).

Yanks21
06-07-05, 07:13 PM
Escobar was considered the best of all of the defectors. I haven't heard much about the others including Perez...

Guys on MLB radio believe that the Yankees will make a serious run at signing Jackson. We'll see...

38Special
06-07-05, 07:14 PM
I'm going through all the picks and making a big summary that ill post when im done.

Fenrir
06-07-05, 07:15 PM
Escobar was considered the best of all of the defectors. I haven't heard much about the others including Perez...

Guys on MLB radio believe that the Yankees will make a serious run at signing Jackson. We'll see...
I can't find anything on Perez besides the fact he was one of the six defectors, I'll guess we'll see.

maldon
06-07-05, 07:17 PM
How many rounds are done in the first day?

Buzah!
06-07-05, 07:18 PM
Escobar was considered the best of all of the defectors. I haven't heard much about the others including Perez...

Guys on MLB radio believe that the Yankees will make a serious run at signing Jackson. We'll see...I think they may have been doing that up until they picked him. y'know?

Buzah!
06-07-05, 07:19 PM
I'm going through all the picks and making a big summary that ill post when im done.
That's really cool of you, thanks in advance.

Fenrir
06-07-05, 07:20 PM
How many rounds are done in the first day?
BA says "about" 20. I'm not sure if it's concrete or not.

Yankyfan
06-07-05, 07:20 PM
A's just drafted Smoak.

Fenrir
06-07-05, 07:21 PM
A's just took Smoak. I think Billyl Beane really has switched places with our front office.

Yankyfan
06-07-05, 07:21 PM
18 rds today

Buzah!
06-07-05, 07:22 PM
when do we pick again?

Yankyfan
06-07-05, 07:22 PM
Malic 2nd basemen??

maldon
06-07-05, 07:24 PM
This is pathetic. Another collegian to add to the hoardes of AA filler.

Fenrir
06-07-05, 07:24 PM
Christopher Malec UC Santa Barbara 2B S/R 5'11" 195 1982-08-28 4YR

COMMENT: Compact frame. Short batting stroke who hits to all fields. Potential to hit for power. Works both ends of the double play well. Hard-nosed player. Good, confident attitude.

Video link (plug into media player): mms://a1503.v108692.c10869.g.vm.akamaistream.net/7/1503/10869/v0001/mlb.download.akamai.com/10869/2005/open/draft/prospects/malec_christopher_t_350.wmv?ct1=mlb

College Profile: http://ucsbgauchos.collegesports.com/sports/m-basebl/mtt/malec_chris00.html

sugmasterflex
06-07-05, 07:26 PM
I'm so frustrated I just want to scream.

harkode2002
06-07-05, 07:28 PM
Wonderful!!! Christopher Malec is another redsux fan. Doesn't look too great either.

maldon
06-07-05, 07:28 PM
I'm so frustrated I just want to scream.
I'm convinced that our draft has been sabotaged by the Tampa Retards.

mik3
06-07-05, 07:29 PM
Wonderful!!! Christopher Malec is another redsux fan. Doesn't look too great either.
Sturtze was one! :D

Buzah!
06-07-05, 07:30 PM
I don't think we've picked a bad player. this kid, like the 3B we drafted could project to catcher. Remember, it's possible that we know how much Henry and Anderson are gonna cost and are spotting other spending.

maldon
06-07-05, 07:31 PM
The number of decent players drafted thus far can be counted on one hand.

Bah.

EDIT: I'm changing my mind. I have faith in the Yankees Scouts. Hopefully there are some hidden Posadas and Pujols among the bunch.

Buzah!
06-07-05, 07:33 PM
The number of decent players drafted thus far can be counted on one hand.
You sure?

maldon
06-07-05, 07:34 PM
You sure?
Nope. Look below.

Buzah!
06-07-05, 07:34 PM
Yanks took a couple of high upside guys in Henry and Anderson and then went Moneyball everywhere else. I don't know about the Cuban, but he's probably more of a possible upside guy.

mik3
06-07-05, 07:35 PM
I don't mind the moneyball guys, but they all seem to be 22-23. Is this team really going to sit around and wait for a Jeff Devanon-type situation to happen?

Buzah!
06-07-05, 07:35 PM
Nope. Look below.
ah. I outlined what seems to be the strategy above.

maldon
06-07-05, 07:36 PM
The Rays now have Niemann and Townsend. If only they could pull off a trade for Humber....

38Special
06-07-05, 07:37 PM
The guy they just drafted is 6'7 out of U washington