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RhodyYanksFan
03-31-05, 11:00 AM
I can't find anything on Google, so part of me thinks it's a april fools thing, but there have been unofficial confirmations from many people that he overdosed and passed away yesterday.

From Jim Norton, posted on another message board:
"I have heard from very reliable sources that he did indeed die in nj. i spoke to a comic who called stanhope who verbally confirmed what he'd heard. just because nothing is posted on websites or the improv site doesnt mean anything, as you know. i will know for sure tomorrow, as i'm sure all of you will. if he did overdose its a f***ing waste because he was a great and original comic. he never changed what he did for audiences and i loved the fact that the public eventually found him. it was nice to see a non-hack, non-sellout succeeding the way he was. i didn't know him well, we were casual friends from the comedy cellar, but he was a funny bastard and an artist in the truest sense of the word. jim"

Also was posted on Doug Stanhope's site a note from Doug.

Big_E
03-31-05, 11:03 AM
Ummmm....WHO? :dunno:

BronxByTheBay
03-31-05, 11:05 AM
Ummmm....WHO? :dunno:

The guy made a few appearances on TV (comedy central, mostly), but was a huge name in the clubs and college campuses.

A really brilliant comic. This sucks.

wexy
03-31-05, 11:05 AM
Ummmm....WHO? :dunno:
Never heard of him.

Big_E
03-31-05, 11:06 AM
The guy made a few appearances on TV (comedy central, mostly), but was a huge name in the clubs and college campuses.

A really brilliant comic. This sucks.


Ohh...OK.

JDPNYY
03-31-05, 11:08 AM
I heard a small mention on the radio this morning, but saw nothing else.

I hope somehow it isn't true. That guy is (was?) so damn funny.

TyWebb
03-31-05, 11:12 AM
I hope its not true. If it is, RIP. :(


"An escalator can never break: it can only become stairs. You would never see an Escalator Temporarily Out Of Order sign, just Escalator Temporarily Stairs. Sorry for the convenience."

JDPNYY
03-31-05, 11:16 AM
Some jokes:

http://www.thedotdotdot.com/humor/hedberg.html

I got an ant farm. Them fellas didn't grow sh**

I haven't slept for ten days, because that would be too long.

Last week I helped my friend stay put. It's a lot easier than helping someone move. I just went over to his house and made sure that he did not start to load sh** into a truck.

I got my hair highlighted, because I felt some strands were more important than others.

I had a stick of Carefree gum, but it didn't work. I felt pretty good while I was blowing that bubble, but as soon as the gum lost its flavor, I was back to pondering my mortality.

I want to be a race car passenger: just a guy who bugs the driver. "Say man, can I turn on the radio? You should slow down. Why do we gotta keep going in circles? Can I put my feet out the window? Boy, you really like Tide."

I got in an argument with a girlfriend inside of a tent. That's a bad place for an argument, because I tried to walk out, and had to slam the flap.

I type a 101 words a minute. But it's in my own language.

I think Bigfoot is blurry, that's the problem. It's not the photographer's fault. Bigfoot is blurry. And that's extra scary to me, because there's a large, out-of-focus monster roaming the countryside. Run. He's fuzzy. Get outta here.

I don't have a girlfriend. But I do know a woman who'd be mad at me for saying that.

My sister wanted to be an actress, but she never made it. She does live in a trailer. She made it half way. She's an actress, she just never gets called to the set.

BronxByTheBay
03-31-05, 11:20 AM
Some jokes:

http://www.thedotdotdot.com/humor/hedberg.html

I got an ant farm. Them fellas didn't grow sh**

I haven't slept for ten days, because that would be too long.

Last week I helped my friend stay put. It's a lot easier than helping someone move. I just went over to his house and made sure that he did not start to load sh** into a truck.

I got my hair highlighted, because I felt some strands were more important than others.

I had a stick of Carefree gum, but it didn't work. I felt pretty good while I was blowing that bubble, but as soon as the gum lost its flavor, I was back to pondering my mortality.

I want to be a race car passenger: just a guy who bugs the driver. "Say man, can I turn on the radio? You should slow down. Why do we gotta keep going in circles? Can I put my feet out the window? Boy, you really like Tide."

I got in an argument with a girlfriend inside of a tent. That's a bad place for an argument, because I tried to walk out, and had to slam the flap.

I type a 101 words a minute. But it's in my own language.

I think Bigfoot is blurry, that's the problem. It's not the photographer's fault. Bigfoot is blurry. And that's extra scary to me, because there's a large, out-of-focus monster roaming the countryside. Run. He's fuzzy. Get outta here.

I don't have a girlfriend. But I do know a woman who'd be mad at me for saying that.

My sister wanted to be an actress, but she never made it. She does live in a trailer. She made it half way. She's an actress, she just never gets called to the set.

What's even better is the guy has one of the best deliveries I've ever heard. His timing was perfect.

RhodeyYankee2638
03-31-05, 11:23 AM
They tried to give me a reciept for a donut. A donut. Lets not bring ink and paper into this

His delivery is hilarious. I cant find anything about his od anywhere online

JDPNYY
03-31-05, 11:23 AM
What's even better is the guy has one of the best deliveries I've ever heard. His timing was perfect.

Exactly.... & that little smirk, behind the long hair in his face. I hated when his set was over, I wanted more.

BronxByTheBay
03-31-05, 11:25 AM
Exactly.... & that little smirk, behind the long hair in his face. I hated when his set was over, I wanted more.

Why is it the best comics always live like idiots (if he died of an OD)? Stanhope's another guy I expect to hear OD'd someday.

Spaceboy88
03-31-05, 11:27 AM
IT's sad if it's true, but I alwasy found Mitch Hedberg about as funny as brain cancer.

RhodyYanksFan
03-31-05, 11:29 AM
He does all one-line jokes. Like a hyper Steven Wright. Some of it was brilliant, some of it was so-so. Very big on college campuses.

Some of my favorites:

"The depressing thing about tennis is that no matter how much I play, I'll never be as good a a wall. I played a wall once. They're relentless."

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it."

"Alocholism, is a disease, but it's the only disease that you can get yelled at for having. Dammit Otto, your an alcoholic. Dammit Otto, you have Lupis. One of those two doesn't sound right."

"I love blackjack. But I'm not addicted to gambling. I'm addicted to sitting in a semi circle."

" I have a cheese-shredder at home, which is its positive name. They don't call it by its negative name, which is sponge-ruiner. Because I wanted to clean it, and now I have little bits of sponge that would melt easily over tortilla chips."

" I don't have a girlfriend. But I do know a woman who'd be mad at me for saying that. "

RhodeyYankee2638
03-31-05, 11:38 AM
Very big on college campuses.
"

my friend from Bryant told me last Saturday that Hedberg was going up in May and he was all excited.

NewEraYanks2527
03-31-05, 11:40 AM
"I drove for about 3 miles with the emergency brake on, now that doesnt say much for me but it really doesnt say much for the emergency brake."

PinstripePride
03-31-05, 11:40 AM
I really hope this isn't true. He was awesome...:(

NewEraYanks2527
03-31-05, 11:42 AM
Anybody find anything? I checked his website it didnt say anything.

Spaceboy88
03-31-05, 12:02 PM
I think it's BS. Google News has nothing on it.

NewEraYanks2527
03-31-05, 12:07 PM
Yea I think you are right, it would have been on some type of new site by now or even Comedycentral.com would have had it.

yankeesnum1
03-31-05, 12:33 PM
Yea I think you are right, it would have been on some type of new site by now or even Comedycentral.com would have had it.
Even his own web site say's nothing about it: http://www.mitchhedberg.net/

ojo
03-31-05, 12:41 PM
well he missed his interview at 9:30 this morning here in baltimore (98 rock). he was to do 4 shows here in baltimore tonight thru sunday.

ojo
03-31-05, 12:50 PM
http://www.comedycentral.com/standup/central/detail.jhtml?p=/comedians/h/mitch_hedberg.xml

he's dead. i guess the delay would have involved figuring out time of death - as even this c-central lists him as passing 'this week'.

BronxByTheBay
03-31-05, 12:53 PM
http://www.comedycentral.com/standup/central/detail.jhtml?p=/comedians/h/mitch_hedberg.xml

he's dead. i guess the delay would have involved figuring out time of death - as even this c-central lists him as passing 'this week'.

Sigh..."passed away". I wonder what that means (besides the obvious).

TripleG23
03-31-05, 12:58 PM
RIP :(

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mitch_Hedberg

Some great quotes on the link above

"The depressing thing about tennis is that no matter how much I play, I'll never be as good as a wall. I played a wall once. They're fu**ing relentless. "

-Triple G

TripleG23
03-31-05, 01:01 PM
One more of my favorites from his Comedy Central Special:

"I wrote a script for a guy, and he said he liked it but he thought that I needed to rewrite it. I said, "F**k that, I'll just make a copy."

-Triple G

NYYBombshell
03-31-05, 01:04 PM
It's sad how these things always happen in 3's.

Johnnie Cochran, Terri Schiavo, Mitch Hedberg.

PinstripePride
03-31-05, 01:05 PM
That really sucks...:(

RIP Mitch, thanks for the laughs...

JDPNYY
03-31-05, 01:08 PM
Damn.


Freaking drugs.


RIP funnyman.

ACPS
03-31-05, 01:10 PM
It's sad how these things always happen in 3's.

Johnnie Cochran, Terri Schiavo, Mitch Hedberg.

God's doing spring cleaning.

BronxByTheBay
03-31-05, 01:20 PM
Damn.


Freaking drugs.




Not that I believe anything else is responsible, but do you have any confirmation of that from anywhere?

JDPNYY
03-31-05, 01:23 PM
Not that I believe anything else is responsible, but do you have any confirmation of that from anywhere?

No confirmation whatsoever.... but that was the original word.

YankeeClemens22
03-31-05, 01:59 PM
It's sad how these things always happen in 3's.

Johnnie Cochran, Terri Schiavo, Mitch Hedberg.

Well, I think that it's more than 3 this time.... I don't think the Pope is going to make it much longer.

mitch300
03-31-05, 02:14 PM
On the comedy central websoite his bio says he passed away in march
http://www.comedycentral.com/standup/central/detail.jhtml?p=/comedians/h/mitch_hedberg.xml

YankeeClemens22
03-31-05, 02:18 PM
It's March now.

FormerlyKnownAsMHHL
03-31-05, 02:19 PM
It's sad how these things always happen in 3's.

Johnnie Cochran, Terri Schiavo, Mitch Hedberg.


I don't see these people tied close enough to make a "3". They are 3 random people in the world, there have been thousands of deaths inbetween them.

FreeYayo
03-31-05, 02:53 PM
I had a bag of Fritos, they were Texas grilled Fritos. These Fritos had grill marks on them. Hell yeah, reminds me of summer time, when we used to fire up the barbeque and throw down some Fritos. I can still see my dad with the apron on, better flip that Frito, dad, you know how I like mine.

Archer1979
03-31-05, 02:54 PM
I don't see these people tied close enough to make a "3". They are 3 random people in the world, there have been thousands of deaths inbetween them.


And yet, there are three days left until Opening Day. Hmmm.

The game is afoot, Watson.

Barb51850
03-31-05, 02:59 PM
I just spoke to my brother, who is a standup comic on the side. He knew Mitch personnally and was shocked to hear the news. He told me this recent joke he heard from Mitch:

"I don't know why some performers are afraid of stage diving. They say the human body is 90% water, so an audience is 10% away from being a swimming pool."

NYYBombshell
03-31-05, 03:36 PM
I don't see these people tied close enough to make a "3". They are 3 random people in the world, there have been thousands of deaths inbetween them.


I know they have nothing in common.

The point is, usually when a celebrity or famous/notable person dies....it happens in 3's.

BronxByTheBay
03-31-05, 03:50 PM
I know they have nothing in common.

The point is, usually when a celebrity or famous/notable person dies....it happens in 3's.

Which leads to a funny Richard Lewis line (one of his few):

"You know how celebrities die in three's? My luck I'll fall off the roof of a building and land on Siskel and Ebert as they're leaving."

FreeYayo
03-31-05, 03:59 PM
Which leads to a funny Richard Lewis line (one of his few):

"You know how celebrities die in three's? My luck I'll fall off the roof of a building and land on Siskel and Ebert as they're leaving."

Richard Lewis the dude on Curb your Enthusiasm?

BronxByTheBay
03-31-05, 04:04 PM
Richard Lewis the dude on Curb your Enthusiasm?

Yes...the only blight on an otherwise fantastic show.

pergo36
03-31-05, 04:05 PM
http://blogs.phillyburbs.com/blog.php?p=1126

pergo36
03-31-05, 04:06 PM
http://news.google.com/news?q=mitch+hedberg+died&hl=en&lr=&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2005-08,GGLD:en&sa=N&tab=nn&oi=newsr

Barb51850
03-31-05, 04:08 PM
Yes...the only blight on an otherwise fantastic show.

I agree. The show is hysterical, but Lewis is not even remotely funny.

BronxByTheBay
03-31-05, 04:11 PM
I agree. The show is hysterical, but Lewis is not even remotely funny.

Never has been. He's been doing a warmed over Billy Crystal doing Woody Allen for about 20 years.

mentalgidget
03-31-05, 04:13 PM
"My dad used to collect coins so I really got into arcade games...
Then, he started collecting stamps, so I started writing letters."

One of my favorite jokes form Mitch

RhodyYanksFan
03-31-05, 04:25 PM
This one was one of my top 5. His delivery made it.


"Alocholism, is a disease, but it's the only disease that you can get yelled at for having. Dammit Otto, your an alcoholic. Dammit Otto, you have Lupis. One of those two doesn't sound right."

Evil Empire
03-31-05, 05:21 PM
I've seen him before on Comedy Central. If his death is true RIP. He was a funny guy.

marqueematchup
03-31-05, 05:36 PM
I have one of his CDs. Too bad I didn't get to see him live.

Looie #19
03-31-05, 06:57 PM
Weird. I had three baked potatoes for dinner last night.

Luvtino
03-31-05, 07:00 PM
My thoughts and prayers are with his family and friends at this tragic time. Very sad news. May he rest in peace. :(

chelloveck
03-31-05, 07:03 PM
That really sucks. He was one of my favorite comedians. His brand of comedy is totally an adquired taste. :(

NewEraYanks2527
03-31-05, 07:48 PM
Even his own web site say's nothing about it: http://www.mitchhedberg.net/

It didnt say anything this morning when this post started, back off.

Casey37
03-31-05, 07:51 PM
Sorry, but I have no clue who this fellow is.

Looie #19
03-31-05, 08:09 PM
Just a guy with an insatiable appetite for cake.

http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:pRG9EU44rYsJ:en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mitch_Hedberg+cake+%22mitch+hedberg%22&hl=en

NewEraYanks2527
03-31-05, 08:10 PM
Sorry, but I have no clue who this fellow is.

Check out comedycentral.com he is a riot. Great comedian with a great delivery. Kind of oddball observational humor, check it out.

AMYanks
03-31-05, 09:12 PM
I'm so upset hearing this news. Mitch was a great comedian, one of the best out there. He'll be missed. RIP.

Yanks21
03-31-05, 09:17 PM
Dude was brilliant... :(

costanza35
04-03-05, 12:14 AM
i know there have been some pretty significant deaths recently (terry schiavo, cochran, THE POPE :eek: ) but comedian mitch hedburg died from a heart attack on march 30. Anybody heard of him/seen him? the guy was hilarious, i think he was 35 years old. damn everbody's dropping dead, what the hell??

JDPNYY
04-03-05, 12:26 AM
We have discussed it. Terrible.

http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread.php?t=80751

costanza35
04-03-05, 12:47 AM
just started a thread on this without checking past threads, but i am glad to see that this many other people on this site appreciated his sense of humor and enjoyed his stand up.

"i used to do drugs... i still do, but i used to, too" was one of my favorite lines by him, but now it just doesn't sound right :( RIP mitch thanks for the good laughs.

FreeYayo
04-03-05, 12:58 AM
My friend asked me if I wanted a frozen banana, so I said noÖ But I want a regular banana laterÖ So yeah.

JDPNYY
04-03-05, 01:03 AM
You know that Pepperidge Farm bread, that stuff is fancy.

That stuff is wrapped twice.

You open it, and then still ain't open.


That's why I don't buy it, I don't need another step between me and toast.

JDPNYY
04-03-05, 01:10 AM
I don't own a cell phone or a pager. I just hang around everyone I know, all the time. If someone needs to get ahold of me they just say, "Mitch," and I say, "what" and turn my head slightly...

BronxByTheBay
04-03-05, 01:23 AM
I walked into Subway sandwhich shop and asked for some bread...to feed some ducks. They said no - they were not allowed to sell me just the bread, I had to buy a sandwhich with meat. Why? Does Subway have a rule against the upper half of bread touching the lower half?

JDPNYY
04-03-05, 01:23 AM
I think foosball is a combination of soccer and shishkabobs.

JDPNYY
04-03-05, 01:26 AM
I have a cheese-shredder at home, which is its positive name. They don't call it by its negative name, which is sponge-ruiner. Because I wanted to clean it, and now I have little bits of sponge that would melt easily over tortilla chips...

RhodyYanksFan
04-03-05, 01:39 AM
I walked into Subway sandwhich shop and asked for some bread...to feed some ducks. They said no - they were not allowed to sell me just the bread, I had to buy a sandwhich with meat. Why? Does Subway have a rule against the upper half of bread touching the lower half?

Along those lines...

"I think a duck's perception of me is dependent on whether or not I have bread." :lol:

BronxByTheBay
04-03-05, 01:41 AM
Along those lines...

"I think a duck's perception of me is dependent on whether or not I have bread." :lol:

Yeah, part of the same bit. Good sh*t.

Dooley Womack
04-10-05, 01:33 AM
"Rice is great when you're hungry and want 2,000 of something"


"I would imagine if you understood Morse code, a tap dancer would drive you crazy"


"When someone hands you a flier, it's like they're saying, 'Here, you throw this away.' "

Hitman23
07-19-05, 01:46 PM
I must have missed this a while back. I happened to be in Best Buy a couple of days ago, was reading one of those entertainment mags while waiting on line and I saw this.

This guy was effing hysterical. One of the funniest comedians I ever watched. I never got to see him live and I always meant to. This really sucks big time.

RIP man. :gulp:

Hitman23
07-19-05, 02:36 PM
I was scrolling through his one liners and it's really making my day....

"I had a velcro wallet in a casino. That sound annoyed the hell out of me. Whenever I lost money, and I opened the wallet, it was like the sound of my addiction."

When you read them you have to picture his stoner attitude though. He always looks lit out of his mind on stage. It makes them all funnier.

Hitman23
07-19-05, 02:49 PM
The depressing thing about tennis is that no matter how good I get, I'll never be as good as a wall.

:roflmao:

FreeYayo
07-19-05, 02:55 PM
It's very dangerous to wave to people you don't know because what if they don't have hands? They'll think you're cocky.

Archer1979
12-28-05, 11:54 AM
Cause of death... drugs.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/TV/12/28/people.mitch.hedberg.ap/index.html

Rest in Peace.

JDPNYY
12-28-05, 11:58 AM
Don't do drugs kids.

Rest in Peace Mitch. Thanks again for the laughs.

Hitman23
12-28-05, 12:03 PM
Cause of death... drugs.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/TV/12/28/people.mitch.hedberg.ap/index.html

Rest in Peace.speed ball. same thing that killed Layne Staley.

idiots. :(

RhodyYanksFan
12-28-05, 12:03 PM
Cause of death... drugs.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/TV/12/28/people.mitch.hedberg.ap/index.html

Rest in Peace.

Was there ever any doubt as to the cause of death?

RIP Mitch :(

BronxByTheBay
12-28-05, 12:10 PM
Cause of death... drugs.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/TV/12/28/people.mitch.hedberg.ap/index.html

Rest in Peace.

So tired of seeing this over and over again. Then there's our next contestant in the Most Talented Fat Guy Likely To Kill Himself Show:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/Movies/12/27/people.jackblack.ap/index.html

If these guys knew what a f*cking cliche doing this stuff has become they'd be the first to knock it off.

Hitman23
12-28-05, 12:16 PM
If these guys knew what a f*cking cliche doing this stuff has become they'd be the first to knock it off.I've seen first hand what heroin can do to someone. The way it takes hold. It's not fun, or easy to just stop at will. This is why, as interested in it I have been all my life, would never, ever, touch it. Not worth the risk.

I'm getting tired of seeing my favorite entertainers kill themselves like this. But it's a double edged sword. These types of drugs induce mad creativity. So without it, would these guys be as good as they are?

RhodyYanksFan
12-28-05, 12:26 PM
I've seen first hand what heroin can do to someone. The way it takes hold. It's not fun, or easy to just stop at will. This is why, as interested in it I have been all my life, would never, ever, touch it. Not worth the risk.


Patrice O'Neal summed up heroin pretty good. Basically you can do any other drug and still do stuff. You can be a pothead & a student, a coke head & an executive, an E freak & a car salesman, but there's no & after heroin. You're just a herion addict.

Hitman23
12-28-05, 12:27 PM
Patrice O'Neal summed up heroin pretty good. Basically you can do any other drug and still do stuff. You can be a pothead & a student, a coke head & an executive, an E freak & a car salesman, but there's no & after heroin. You're just a herion addict.It's a very good statement. Although, E has Heroin in it. Which is why E is just as addicting.

BronxByTheBay
12-28-05, 12:39 PM
But it's a double edged sword. These types of drugs induce mad creativity. So without it, would these guys be as good as they are?

That's a myth, quite frankly. Those drugs do not induce creativity. The people taking them are already creative, it just so happens that creative types are more open to taking these drugs.

Unfortunately, this notion has taken root and a lot of young comics want to be Belushi or Hicks so they start boozing/drugs as much as they can. Amazingly enough, it doesn't seem to have any effect on their careers or lack thereof.

Hitman23
12-28-05, 12:45 PM
That's a myth, quite frankly. Those drugs do not induce creativity. The people taking them are already creative, it just so happens that creative types are more open to taking these drugs.I don't think it's a myth. If you take a look at a musician's early career, assuming they weren't on the hardcore sh*t just yet, and then take a look at that same musician after drugs, it's something quite different. Yes they are creative before the drug, but I believe it helps create a way of expressing your creativity in a better way.

These types open up your mind to new or abstract ideas. They can give you inspiration. Obviously no way to prove this.

BronxByTheBay
12-28-05, 12:49 PM
I don't think it's a myth. If you take a look at a musician's early career, assuming they weren't on the hardcore sh*t just yet, and then take a look at that same musician after drugs, it's something quite different. Yes they are creative before the drug, but I believe it helps create a way of expressing your creativity in a better way.

These types open up your mind to new or abstract ideas. They can give you inspiration. Obviously no way to prove this.

It's simply not true. Drugs do not increase creativity.

Hitman23
12-28-05, 12:51 PM
It's simply not true. Drugs do not increase creativity.Ever see someone high as a kite pull off something musically that they would never be able to pull off sober? I have.

BronxByTheBay
12-28-05, 01:00 PM
Ever see someone high as a kite pull off something musically that they would never be able to pull off sober? I have.

How do you know? Did you see that person attempt previously what you finally saw? Were you there each time they practiced it and failed?

Being high did not increase that person's ability, it may have depressed his/her inhibitions but that's about it which may allow that person to take a risk they wouldn't normally. Drugs cannot transfer onto you a talent you didn't previously have.

Propagating the myth that drugs in some way makes you a better performer or more creative is unfortunately one of the reasons so many of these folks continue to do it. As I stated previously, it's the Belushi Syndrome. George Carlin's stuff got better after his heart attack in '82. Eddie Murphy wasn't a known drug user. Robin Williams expanded on his talents after he gave up drugs. Chris Rock isn't a known drug user.

The only thing talented drug users have in common is that they're talented.

Hitman23
12-28-05, 01:02 PM
okay, I see the disagreement here. I didn't mean for it to sound like there was no talent in the musician prior to the use of drugs, then all of a sudden there was.

Have you ever listened to certain music high as opposed to sober? You get things would wouldn't normally get. You feel the music differently. It has a very different effect on you. I'm not an artist, but it has to work the other way. You see things in a very different aspect when you're high. You can think of things a different way. Which actually could spark creativity. So actually, yes, I still stand behind my arguement that it can create creativity. Even if it comes from seeing something a different way. You wouldn't have seen that before.

Sorry I cannot be exact here, I'm using the word "different" because there's no real way to explain this. You have to experience it to know.

BronxByTheBay
12-28-05, 01:20 PM
okay, I see the disagreement here. I didn't mean for it to sound like there was no talent in the musician prior to the use of drugs, then all of a sudden there was.

Have you ever listened to certain music high as opposed to sober? You get things would wouldn't normally get. You feel the music differently. It has a very different effect on you. I'm not an artist, but it has to work the other way. You see things in a very different aspect when you're high. You can think of things a different way. Which actually could spark creativity. So actually, yes, I still stand behind my arguement that it can create creativity. Even if it comes from seeing something a different way. You wouldn't have seen that before.

Sorry I cannot be exact here, I'm using the word "different" because there's no real way to explain this. You have to experience it to know.

Sorry, Steve. I have been a performer and have absorbed/created/performed/listened to/etc both high and sober and can tell you drugs do not produce anything unique. Personalities do.

Hitman23
12-28-05, 01:27 PM
Sorry, Steve. I have been a performer and have absorbed/created/performed/listened to/etc both high and sober and can tell you drugs do not produce anything unique. Personalities do.Well maybe it didn't help you persoanlly then.

All I know is, seeing a very abstract band trippin on mushrooms is a much different experience then seeing them sober.

NYyanksfan
12-28-05, 01:36 PM
Well maybe it didn't help you persoanlly then.

All I know is, seeing a very abstract band trippin on mushrooms is a much different experience then seeing them sober.

That said, watching "Regis and Kelly" on mushrooms is also a very different experience...

Archer1979
12-28-05, 01:37 PM
You two are arguing two different arguments.

Steve is saying that drugs enhance the audience. There may be a point in this, I wouldn't know firsthand, but I do know that sometimes I have to be in a certain mood to watch some things, Monthy Python immediately springs to mind.

Bronxy is saying the drugs don't enhance the creation process. Again, I can't speak firsthand, but I do know that there are times when I'm more creative based upon my mood and state of mind.

JDPNYY
12-28-05, 01:39 PM
Sorry, Steve. I have been a performer and have absorbed/created/performed/listened to/etc both high and sober and can tell you drugs do not produce anything unique. Personalities do.

What did you perform?

Hitman23
12-28-05, 01:45 PM
You two are arguing two different arguments.

Steve is saying that drugs enhance the audience. There may be a point in this, I wouldn't know firsthand, but I do know that sometimes I have to be in a certain mood to watch some things, Monthy Python immediately springs to mind.

Bronxy is saying the drugs don't enhance the creation process. Again, I can't speak firsthand, but I do know that there are times when I'm more creative based upon my mood and state of mind.I'm using my personal experience as an audience member to help understand how an artist may come up with his/her ideas. It's my only point of reference since I'm about as creative as Green Day.

But I've been told by people who are creative that drugs do expand their mind helping them become more creative. i suppose I don't have much of an arguement, but I can be certain that if there were no drugs, the creativity level in pretty much anything would be dropped. I mean, just look at the Beatles. How creative did they get once they explored and sang about drugs?

BronxByTheBay
12-28-05, 01:52 PM
You two are arguing two different arguments.

Steve is saying that drugs enhance the audience. There may be a point in this, I wouldn't know firsthand, but I do know that sometimes I have to be in a certain mood to watch some things, Monthy Python immediately springs to mind.

Bronxy is saying the drugs don't enhance the creation process. Again, I can't speak firsthand, but I do know that there are times when I'm more creative based upon my mood and state of mind.

Mood and state of mind are about the same thing.

Creative people are more open to drug use because they're more open in general, that's why you have so many artists that either have done or do drugs.

BronxByTheBay
12-28-05, 01:52 PM
What did you perform?

I was a stand up comic for a few years.

JDPNYY
12-28-05, 01:54 PM
I was a stand up comic for a few years.

oh ...

penguin4
12-28-05, 02:00 PM
He died again?

Hitman23
12-28-05, 02:08 PM
I was a stand up comic for a few years.You should start a thread with some of your material. I could use the laughs. :D

BronxByTheBay
12-28-05, 02:12 PM
You should start a thread with some of your material. I could use the laughs. :D

Just read any of the Iraq war threads in PS. They're hysterical.

Hitman23
12-28-05, 02:23 PM
Just read any of the Iraq war threads in PS. They're hysterical.I avoid that forum unless there's something I hear about and get interested in. it's a topic I stay away from. You and me butt heads on dumb stuff. Imagine the things that matter.

Archer1979
12-28-05, 02:55 PM
Mood and state of mind are about the same thing.

Creative people are more open to drug use because they're more open in general, that's why you have so many artists that either have done or do drugs.

It's one thing to get into a mood, or a riff, etc. But regardless of the stimulus (drugs, diet, lack of sleep, etc.), the natural talent is already there. Drugs don't enhance the creative process, they might stimulate it, but they don't create it.

BronxByTheBay
12-28-05, 03:05 PM
It's one thing to get into a mood, or a riff, etc. But regardless of the stimulus (drugs, diet, lack of sleep, etc.), the natural talent is already there. Drugs don't enhance the creative process, they might stimulate it, but they don't create it.

Stop saying stuff that I'll agree with. I hate agreeing with you.

Hitman23
12-28-05, 03:09 PM
It's one thing to get into a mood, or a riff, etc. But regardless of the stimulus (drugs, diet, lack of sleep, etc.), the natural talent is already there. Drugs don't enhance the creative process, they might stimulate it, but they don't create it.Would you (or BBTB) agree that it's possible a channel may be opened by seeing something a different way being under the influence? Is it possible that seeing this POV may make you come up with something absolutely brilliant? Something you may not have seen before had you been looking at it from a sober POV? This is the main point of my arguement. Whether you consider this stimulating or creating, I think we're saying the same thing.

BronxByTheBay
12-28-05, 03:16 PM
Would you (or BBTB) agree that it's possible a channel may be opened by seeing something a different way being under the influence? Is it possible that seeing this POV may make you come up with something absolutely brilliant? Something you may not have seen before had you been looking at it from a sober POV? This is the main point of my arguement. Whether you consider this stimulating or creating, I think we're saying the same thing.

The answer to your question is no, I don't agree. Drugs do not open any new channels that didn't previously exist. POV is dictated by personality.

Hitman23
12-28-05, 03:26 PM
The answer to your question is no, I don't agree. Drugs do not open any new channels that didn't previously exist. POV is dictated by personality.Well, since you're reference is comedy, then I'll take your word on it. I'm referring to music, and I believe that it is possible. I have heard lines that have to be completely induced by drugs, and not by anything a sober person would have to say.

Buckeye Yank
12-28-05, 03:27 PM
I was a stand up comic for a few years.
Whoulda thunk it? ;) Learn something new every day.

By the way, I think I get what Steve's saying here. But BBTB makes a good argument as well. I'll need to think more before posting about it though.

Hitman23
12-28-05, 03:40 PM
Dreaming of that face again.
Itís bright and blue and shimmering.
Grinning wide
And comforting me with itís three warm and wild eyes.

On my back and tumbling
Down that hole and back again
Rising up
And wiping the webs and the dew from my withered eye.

In... out... in... out... in... out...

A childís rhyme stuck in my head.
It said that life is but a dream.
Iíve spent so many years in question
To find Iíve known this all along.

íso good to see you.
Iíve missed you so much.
So glad itís over.
Iíve missed you so much
Came out to watch you play.
Why are you running? í

Shroud-ing all the ground around me
Is this holy crow above me.
Black as holes within a memory
And blue as our new second sun.
I stick my hand into his shadow
To pull the pieces from the sand.
Which I attempt to reassemble
To see just who I might have been.
I do not recognize the vessel,
But the eyes seem so familiar.
Like phosphorescent desert buttons
Singing one familiar song...

íso good to see you.
Iíve missed you so much.
So glad itís over.
Iíve missed you so much.
Came out to watch you play.
Why are you running away? í

Prying open my third eye.
So good to see you once again.
I thought that you were hiding.
And you thought that I had run away.
Chasing the tail of dogma.
I opened my eye and there we were.

So good to see you once again
I thought that you were hiding from me.
And you thought that I had run away.
Chasing a trail of smoke and reason.

Prying open my third eye

---------------

If you were to listen to not only the words, but the music that goes along with this song while under the influence, I think you'd see what I'm saying. You feel the effects of your cocktail intensifying and relaxing along with the peeks and valleys of the song as you question whether your faith lies with a higher being or the power of expanding your own mind.

You tell me this is something you can create without being under the influence. You need to have the experience of expanding your own mind in order to create this. Otherwise you'd have no idea what you're talking about.

All that inspires someone to create needs something to give it a push. In order to write about pain, you need to have been hurt. In order to write about love you need to have been in love. In order to write about the strange views and thoughts you have when you're high, you need to be high. That opens up new channels for creativity. Channels you DID NOT HAVE until you experienced it.

Yes, a creative person is creative with or without drugs. But drugs can inspire an entire new world of creativity. It is the cause of it. And some of the best music that any of us listens to comes from it. And that's my arguement. It's been apparent in music for as long as anyone here can remember.

Barb51850
12-28-05, 04:08 PM
I was a stand up comic for a few years.

Not easy. I know all too well. My brother is a standup comic. He's been at it for almost 9 years and is just now having moderate success.

BronxByTheBay
12-28-05, 04:29 PM
Not easy. I know all too well. My brother is a standup comic. He's been at it for almost 9 years and is just now having moderate success.

It's very easy, actually. It's the success part that's tough. ;)

Good luck to your bro. :)

BronxByTheBay
12-28-05, 04:32 PM
But drugs can inspire an entire new world of creativity. It is the cause of it.

No they aren't. But you obviously really, really like drugs so I can't see the point in arguing this anymore. :)

Hitman23
12-28-05, 04:38 PM
No they aren't. But you obviously really, really like drugs so I can't see the point in arguing this anymore. :)Well, I like the one I like. Yes. But I also appreciate and acknowledge the product of some of my favorite musicians being high. As much as it sucks that they keep killing themselves.

Barb51850
12-28-05, 04:45 PM
It's very easy, actually. It's the success part that's tough. ;)

Good luck to your bro. :)

Thanks Barry :)

Here's his web site (although he's not good at keeping it up-to-date):

www.tommycomic.com

BronxByTheBay
12-28-05, 04:54 PM
Look, here's the deal. Drugs are popular with artists because creative people are open to new experiences. I have no doubt that a lot of successful artists who use drugs continue using them because they've been granted success in their field and see no reason to stop using them (not much different from any other walk of life, save that the money is usually better).

Drugs, however, do not lend themselves to creativity. The most successful people in any creative field usually have two attributes in common:

Talent and most importantly (yes, even more important than talent) perseverance.

That's it. The most creative folks in their fields achieved their success because they were already bringing a unique and engaging POV to it and were good at their chosen craft. Take comedians. All comics strive for the same thing, even more than laughs, and that's a unique POV. The most successful comics are more than funny - they have a very personal take on the world and THAT is what we respond to. Lots of folks can make us laugh, but very few can make us laugh out of recognition that what they've just said strikes us as truth (yes, "it's funny 'cause it's true").

Music works the same way - we're responding to something on a personal level. Steve's preference for listening "under the influence" doesn't open up new channels necessarily - it's just how he prefers to receive the music. Lots of folks swore by the film 2001 provided you dropped acid before a screening. Well, as we've all come to learn that movie sucked once the haze was over. So there's an instance where drugs actually disguised something's awfulness. But I digress.

I am not telling anyone they are wrong for enjoying something more with drugs. That's a personal thing. But the creative process is what it is and the reason it's so frustrating is that it's an unforgiving beast. There are no easy roads in. No formula. Drugs DO NOT enhance creativity. Some folks just prefer taking them while writing, but it's their own voice that produces the final product. The drugs may act as an environment, if you will, that they prefer functioning in. Yes, some products are produced under the influence. However look at "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas". Hunter Thompson loved drugs. He loved boozing. He loved every excess imaginable. However, at the end of the day, his work was the product of the personality not the excesses the personality engaged in. There's a reason Rolling Stone used to say "there's only one Hunter Thompson".

Hitman23
12-29-05, 11:18 AM
I still disagree. And I don't see either of us convincing the other. So I'm gonna let it go.

ritaylnil
12-29-05, 12:22 PM
Look, here's the deal. Drugs are popular with artists because creative people are open to new experiences. I have no doubt that a lot of successful artists who use drugs continue using them because they've been granted success in their field and see no reason to stop using them (not much different from any other walk of life, save that the money is usually better).

Drugs, however, do not lend themselves to creativity. The most successful people in any creative field usually have two attributes in common:

Talent and most importantly (yes, even more important than talent) perseverance.

That's it. The most creative folks in their fields achieved their success because they were already bringing a unique and engaging POV to it and were good at their chosen craft. Take comedians. All comics strive for the same thing, even more than laughs, and that's a unique POV. The most successful comics are more than funny - they have a very personal take on the world and THAT is what we respond to. Lots of folks can make us laugh, but very few can make us laugh out of recognition that what they've just said strikes us as truth (yes, "it's funny 'cause it's true").

Music works the same way - we're responding to something on a personal level. Steve's preference for listening "under the influence" doesn't open up new channels necessarily - it's just how he prefers to receive the music. Lots of folks swore by the film 2001 provided you dropped acid before a screening. Well, as we've all come to learn that movie sucked once the haze was over. So there's an instance where drugs actually disguised something's awfulness. But I digress.

I am not telling anyone they are wrong for enjoying something more with drugs. That's a personal thing. But the creative process is what it is and the reason it's so frustrating is that it's an unforgiving beast. There are no easy roads in. No formula. Drugs DO NOT enhance creativity. Some folks just prefer taking them while writing, but it's their own voice that produces the final product. The drugs may act as an environment, if you will, that they prefer functioning in. Yes, some products are produced under the influence. However look at "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas". Hunter Thompson loved drugs. He loved boozing. He loved every excess imaginable. However, at the end of the day, his work was the product of the personality not the excesses the personality engaged in. There's a reason Rolling Stone used to say "there's only one Hunter Thompson".

:clap: Excellent post. I agree 100%.

RhodyYanksFan
03-30-06, 01:48 PM
1 year already. RIP Mitch :(

Bozidar
03-30-06, 01:55 PM
damn, that guy WAS funny. So young, it couldn't have been natural causes..