The Official America's Team Analysis Thread

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

As the Dallas Cowboys fanbase within the NYYFans community continues to grow, this can be the place where we talk about them, since, well, I bring them up a lot, and people always reply, whether with coherent discussion or incoherent drunken mockery. :gulp:

Whether you love them or love to hate them, the reality is that YOU care about the Cowboys, even if it's only like Sox fans care about the Yankees.

So discuss away...

[Euclis]

I'll be honest, I really don't care about the Cowboys :D

Other than passively rooting against Parcells.

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

Rivera, Henry, and Ferguson are officially ours. http://www.dallascowboys.com/news_800.cfm?id=6B55EEDB-BAA3-3BE6-28FA96CAE002FF7B

$28 million in bonuses for 3 guys (10 for Henry, 9 each for Rivera and Ferguson)... that's a lot of money, especially considering that Rivera and Ferguson are on the wrong side of 30. These moves definitely patch up a lot of the glaring needs we had going into the offseason--I like the way they're going through and systematically making our team better. Despite what he said a few weeks back about looking toward the year after next and the long term as goals for getting back to the top, it's now clear that Jerry is making a push for THIS YEAR.

Next on the checklist, Woody's replacement and a defensive end.

Do you see either of these needs being met in free agency, or will they do it through the draft? Or maybe even through using guys already on the roster (such as letting Lynn Scott try his hand at starting at SS going into the season, like I keep bringing up)?

[RhodyYanksFan]

I'll be honest, I really don't care about the Cowboys :D

Other than passively rooting against Parcells.

Exactly. I loved seeing the Giants beat him last year.

[RIyankee]

Look Natalie, we don't need another analysis thread about the Patriots.

JMHO :P

[FoulkeLore]

I'll be honest, I really don't care about the Cowboys :D


Sorry my sentiments exactly. I'll be passively rooting for Bledsoe because he was a total class act the way that he handled his departure here. I'm not sure Buffalo fans feel the same way.

[RIyankee]

Write it down. Dallas is playoff bound.

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

Look Natalie, we don't need another analysis thread about the Patriots.

JMHO :P
That's not even funny.

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

Write it down. Dallas is playoff bound.
In the spirit of the "analysis" mentioned in the thread title, may I ask why you think that is (I happen to agree with you)? :)

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

I'll be honest, I really don't care about the Cowboys :D

Other than passively rooting against Parcells.
Passive rooting is still rooting. :gulp:

[NYYFAN]

America's team my ass...:D Wheres George when I need him...:lol:

[DaveK913]

Rivera, Henry, and Ferguson are officially ours. http://www.dallascowboys.com/news_800.cfm?id=6B55EEDB-BAA3-3BE6-28FA96CAE002FF7B

$28 million in bonuses for 3 guys (10 for Henry, 9 each for Rivera and Ferguson)... that's a lot of money, especially considering that Rivera and Ferguson are on the wrong side of 30. These moves definitely patch up a lot of the glaring needs we had going into the offseason--I like the way they're going through and systematically making our team better. Despite what he said a few weeks back about looking toward the year after next and the long term as goals for getting back to the top, it's now clear that Jerry is making a push for THIS YEAR.

Next on the checklist, Woody's replacement and a defensive end.

Do you see either of these needs being met in free agency, or will they do it through the draft? Or maybe even through using guys already on the roster (such as letting Lynn Scott try his hand at starting at SS going into the season, like I keep bringing up)?

The consensus is these contracts are front loaded so they won't have as big an impact on the cap in a few years. If Rivera and Ferguson give us 3 solid years each they'll be worth it. Henry's deal works out to around $5M a year, and that's honestly not that bad for an above average CB with his size. The franchise tender for a CB is around $8.9 million. Winfield got a contract that paid him around $5M last year, but with the rise in the salary cap, that would
work out to over $6M.

Jerry has said FS would be addressed in free agency. I don't know who he has in mind, but Dwight Smith and Dexter Jackson's names have come up, along with Kenoy Kennedy and Idrees Bashir. Arturo Freeman and Antuan Edwards are other possibilities.

DE will depend on whether they go to a 3-4 or stick with the 4-3, and that will be dictated by who's available in FA and the draft. Marques Douglas would fit and be available, and Marcus Spears, possibly Merriman in the draft would fit well also. If they go 3-4, they also have to bolster the LB corp. An experienced guy like Edgerton Hartwell is possible at ILB, and OLB could be addressed in the draft. We've got players that would fit for depth on the team.

If they stay with the 4-3, they'll either draft a DE or go with a tweener DE/OLB hybrid player like Tuck, maybe Cody.

One thing that would aid in the transition to a 3-4 is, the DL is already an occupy and engage/play the run type. That's one reason why we don't get as much pressure on the QB, coupled with the fact that we don't have a true pass rushing OLB to attack from the outside.

As far as the how appropriate this thread is, if there can be a thread about a NE team and a west coast team on a NY board, there can be one for the 'Boys in the interest of fairness.:D

As far as being the Patriots, we've only got a couple of ex-Patriots. We've actually been closer to becoming the Jets. If you get confused, just call us the Cowjetriots. ;)

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

America's team my ass...:D Wheres George when I need him...:lol:
Part of why I started this was to bait him into coming back, wherever he's been. :(

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

The consensus is these contracts are front loaded so they won't have as big an impact on the cap in a few years. If Rivera and Ferguson give us 3 solid years each they'll be worth it. Henry's deal works out to around $5M a year, and that's honestly not that bad for an above average CB with his size. The franchise tender for a CB is around $8.9 million. Winfield got a contract that paid him around $5M last year, but with the rise in the salary cap, that would
work out to over $6M.

Jerry has said FS would be addressed in free agency. I don't know who he has in mind, but Dwight Smith and Dexter Jackson's names have come up, along with Kenoy Kennedy and Idrees Bashir. Arturo Freeman and Antuan Edwards are other possibilities.

You're right, that it does seem like, though we're throwing a lot of money at these guys, it's being done fairly intelligently. I never want to experience the horrors of salary cap hell again, and I'm sure Jerry doesn't either.

Like I said in the FA thread, of all those names, should we indeed go the FA route, I'd like Kennoy Kennedy. I follow the Broncos pretty closely, and I always liked what I saw from him. He also compares well statistically to what Woody gave us.

[YankeePride1967]

This is misleading, certainly this should be about the Pittsburgh Steelers!

[Clive]

Hey Nat, I just want to say that I hope Drew has a good year for your team.

I'm not saying which one. :D

[NYYFAN]

Part of why I started this was to bait him into coming back, wherever he's been. :(

I believe he was a bad boy and if on vacation for the time being...

[TyWebb]

I can't decide if I like what the 'boys have done, or if I don't. (keep in mind I hate them, and would "like" to see it blow up in thier face) ;)

And why are there so many "official" threads, but no "Official Giants thread?" We've got an official Pats, Jets, Cowboys, Raiders, I think I even saw an official Quad Cities Steamwheelers thread kicking around. Why no official Big Blue thread? (this should open the door for a slew of jokes)

And if you're gonna ask why I don't start one...I don't start threads, I just ruin other people's. :D

[cubswin]

sorry, Nat, but the boys have been irrelevant for years

good luck to Bledsoe, though

[RIyankee]

In the spirit of the "analysis" mentioned in the thread title, may I ask why you think that is (I happen to agree with you)? :)

Why I think Dallas will play in January...
- easier schedule
- moving to a 3-4 alignment (getting Jets Ferguson for NT is a big step)
- improvements in DB
- great FA pickups (Henry, Fergie, Rivera)
- depsite what you think of Bledsoe, he's a big improvement over what they had last year
- TE Mark Whitten is the best TE Bledsoe will throw to since Ben Coates in New England
- NFC is still a weaker conference
- most of the malcontents are gone
- two 1st round picks

What remains to be done...
- I dislike their WRs though Keyshawn is a good possesion WR
- They need DE help in their 3-4 (3-4 DEs aren't that hard to find)
- depth at RB (can Julius Jones endure a full season?)

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

Why I think Dallas will play in January...
- easier schedule
- moving to a 3-4 alignment (getting Jets Ferguson for NT is a big step)
- improvements in DB
- great FA pickups (Henry, Fergie, Rivera)
- depsite what you think of Bledsoe, he's a big improvement over what they had last year
- TE Mark Whitten is the best TE Bledsoe will throw to since Ben Coates in New England
- NFC is still a weaker conference
- most of the malcontents are gone
- two 1st round picks

What remains to be done...
- I dislike their WRs though Keyshawn is a good possesion WR
- They need DE help in their 3-4 (3-4 DEs aren't that hard to find)
- depth at RB (can Julius Jones endure a full season?)
Thanks, Mark2. Only thing I don't fully agree with is your assessment of the WRs, mainly because I think Glenn, still a speedy guy with terrific hands, should be in the mix of positives IF he can stay healthy. We saw, for all the faults the Woody-less defense had, that the offense was functioning fairly-to-incredibly well UNTIL Terry was injured in Green Bay, despite having dubious production out of the RB position. Other than that, yeah, they need some more help there, but I think that MAYBE (definitely only a maybe, but a possibility nonetheless) can come from some of the young guys they have hanging around.

Also, with respect to schedule, they have to play the AFC West next season, which has quite a few sweet offensive teams. But on the other hand, the NFC West, which they also have to play, remains thoroughly crappy until I see otherwise. It's always difficult to judge a schedule as "easy" or "hard" other than in retrospect, going by final records.

By the way, that's Jason Witten, not Mark Whitten--you're gonna be hearing/seeing/reading his name A LOT for years to come, so may as well get it right. :)

Anyway, I'm excited that a respected "outsider" such as yourself finally believes in my team. Based on your predictions toward the end of last season though, that may or may not be a good thing. :D :gulp:

[RIyankee]

Anyway, I'm excited that a respected "outsider" such as yourself finally believes in my team. Based on your predictions toward the end of last season though, that may or may not be a good thing. :D :gulp:

In 2004, I was telling you that Dallas will struggle and they did. :)

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

In 2004, I was telling you that Dallas will struggle and they did. :)
Yes, but for reasons fairly different than what actually transpired. I can't say for certain, but I'm telling you, minus all those injuries (ESPECIALLY Woody's... the effects of a loss of a priceless guy like that can't be overstated) and Quincy's drug problem, things might have been a lot different. "JMHO :) " :gulp:

[DaveK913]

Yes, but for reasons fairly different than what actually transpired. I can't say for certain, but I'm telling you, minus all those injuries (ESPECIALLY Woody's... the effects of a loss of a priceless guy like that can't be overstated) and Quincy's drug problem, things might have been a lot different. "JMHO :) " :gulp:

Woody lost for camp, then the season. Position filled by 2nd round bust and role player. We lost an experienced player and veteran leadership.

Carter released early in camp. Casts a shadow over camp, projected backup thrust into starting role. The performance at QB might not have differed much, but it did a number on the team psyche.

Mitchell released in camp. Penciled in as the nickle corner, he lost his game and was cut, leaving late round picks and UFAs as CB depth.

DTs Blade and Stewart released in camp after showing up out of shape and regressing, leading to a minor carousel at the tackle position next to Glover. Ugh. The run defense suffered without a true hole plugger.

Peterman goes down in preseason. He was expected to push for a job at guard, at the very least provide solid depth.

Jones goes down early, Eddie George is the main RB. Subtract running game. Jones would have had it rough early, but there was still more potential there.

Hunter goes down early. Started a rotation of 4 players at RCB before settling on an UFA off the Ravens PS.

Glenn goes down. Our primary big play/deep threat receiver. Remove the deep threat, you start seeing the line stacked more.

Campbell goes down. Primary and best blocking tight end gone. Affected our running game and pass protection.

Bryant traded. He had talent but was a malcontent who couldn't control himself. Addition by subtraction, but it hurt to bring a WR into the system midseason. Further damaged the passing game. Late round picks pushed into service.

Despite all that, we managed to play better the second half until we hit NO. That was an ugly game. That was worse to me than the blowout against GB, because we had won two straight, including a tough win at Seattle, then we were completely flat against the Saints.

Even before the season I didn't figure us as legitimate contenders, but if even half of those things hadn't gone down we would have been a markedly different team last year. Between the shuffling in the secondary and the blows to our offense we were probably lucky to get out of the year with 6 wins.

[#1PaFan]

America's team my ass...:D Wheres George when I need him...:lol:

Right here, Brother!

Man, I think that some of Troy's Concussions & Brain Damage somehow transferred to Natasha.

Let's get it right, DodgerGirl: It's SOUTH America's Team. The Tainted Star lost any perceived Glory a long, long, long time ago!

As always, I absolutely salute your Loyalty. Your lack of Taste, however leaves much to be desired.

ONE of these days, you will hopefully outgrow your youthful stupidity and classlessness. I will be awaiting that day, at Lambeau, to greet you and welcome you.
America's Team??? The Cowboys??? Good Lord!!! You just CAN'T be THAT Stupid!!!! Hell, the next thing you know, you'll be tap dancing in Princeton, New Jersey!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :gulp:

Brett is Great. Brett is Good. You should thank Brett for your Food!

TWELVE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!!

[#1PaFan]

BTW, YESTERDAY I got Brett's book via FedEx. It is signed my Brett and Brett's Mom. Included was the NFL DVD of Brett "In Their Own Words" or whatever it's called.

In the beginning of the DVD, Brett makes me ill by stating that, as a child, he was a fan of the Saints and the Cowboys. He says that he used to imagine himself being Archie Manning or Roger Staubach......
Natasha, I will get this DVD burned and I'll send it to you. I challenge you to watch this DVD and continue to have your insane, Princeton Tap Dancing 850 SAT scoring Favre-Hating Ass, uh, continuing to hate Favre.
BTW, the Book even came with actual pictures of Brett & Mrs. Favre signing MY book.

Brett is Awesome. He's just a genuinely Good Guy. And, you'll be happy when he leaves 'cause we're probably gonna go into the Dark Ages just like where South America's Most Wanted Team has been for the past decade or so.

ONE thing I'll always Cherish is standing in the very next urinal, urinating at the same time as Irv Favre while he told me just how much of an Asshole Warren Sapp is! AND, then sitting next to him at the bar and having him pass me a HUGE mason jar filled with Moonshine. (I already talked about that night here.)

Go Pack Go!!!!

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

I challenge you to watch this DVD and continue to have your insane, Princeton Tap Dancing 850 SAT scoring Favre-Hating Ass, uh, continuing to hate Favre.


That's not much of a challenge. Watching athlete bios are already my weakness--if I hate a guy going in, I won't hate him nearly as much coming out of having seen it. This is why I had to switch off the Daunte Culpepper Beyond the Glory halfway through.

Glad to see you back, George. :gulp:

[DaveK913]

America's Team??? The Cowboys??? Good Lord!!!

Eh. We didn't ask for it, it was basically dropped on us in the '70s. I think it's overblown, just as so many other little monikers or slogans in football are. They just seem to stick around and be affiliated with some teams, no matter how successful they are or aren't. Personally, I'm just not a big nickname or slogan guy. Even when we were winning titles in the early 90's, I wasn't going around saying, "Yes! We ARE America's Team!" I'm a diehard fan, I'm just not a zealot that feels the need to glorify the old days to make myself feel better when we're down.

The Dallas Cowboys: America's Team
Overdone, but invariably associated with them for decades, win or lose. 9 years since their last title.

The Oakland Raiders: Commitment To Excellence.
Even though it's been over 20 years since they won a title and they now fluctuate between good and bad, it sticks.

The Bears:The Monsters of the Midway.
Under .500 in the playoffs since their last title 20 years ago.

Green Bay: Titletown.
Maybe once, but with 1 title in last 35 years and extended mediocrity throughout the 70's and 80's, it's not necessarily up to date. Last title 8 years ago.

The Browns: The Dawg Pound.
They're Dawgs, all right. No titles in the last 40 years, and the original Dawg Pound was cute but never saw a championship. Great for the local dog mask industry, though.

The Redskins: The Hogs(Hawgs).
With Danny Snyder in charge, the only things that make the players hogs is how much they make when he signs them in free agency. Last title 14 years ago when Hogs really meant something, but you still see people wearing dresses with fake pig noses.(Tradition or cult?:scared: )

The Giants: The Big Blue Wrecking Crew. The only recent wrecking going on was the Ravens demolishing them in the SB 5 years ago. Last title 15 years ago. Some of them are big and blue, though. (Mostly from going through training camp with Coughlin.:) )

New Orleans: The Aints.
Okay, that one works. With 1 playoff victory and 0 titles in almost 40 years, it's completely appropriate.

The Eagles. No catchy nicknames, but I can't stand them so I had to bring them up. Actually, I can't listen to the song "Ain't No Stopping Us Now" because they played it as the Eagles theme song the other time they went to the SB and choked.

We now return you to your original programming. :)

[OxDiesel]

Good thoughts here, guys. The FA signings have been good short-term solutions, as JJ & Tuna are going for the quick kill. In the "anything goes" NFC, this may work out in the end. What makes it even better is the $$$ spent on Rivera, Ferguson, Hardy, and Bledsoe is not long-term impact. making it easy to get replacements for them in a few years. And, yes, I LOVE the Bledsoe signing. It wasn't his fault that Buffalo didn't make the playoffs, and he STILL led them back from 0-4. He'll be another great mentor for Henson after getting Vinny last year.

As for the draft, I was originally hoping that Antrel Rolle or Pac-Man Jones would fall to 11, with either Pollack, Spears, or one of the Codys at 20. But, since that's looking less and less likely every day, I'd like to see the OLB/DE Merriman at 11. The last time Tuna had a player like him on the board, his name was John Abraham. At 20, maybe WR??? Oklahoma's Mark Clayton will be available, but since we have enough possession guys, I wouldn't mind Troy Williamson from South Carolina. I also wouldn't mind taking another D-lineman like the guys I mentioned above (IF they're still on the board).

If you smell what The Ox is cookin'..... :P

[RIyankee]

G Marco Rivera underwent back surgery Thursday in Dallas after experiencing pain while running on a treadmill. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2009594)

Uh-oh!!! :eek:

:lol:

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

G Marco Rivera underwent back surgery Thursday in Dallas after experiencing pain while running on a treadmill. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2009594)

Uh-oh!!! :eek:

:lol:
3-6 weeks, 3-6 weeks, 3-6 weeks... :drool:

[DaveK913]

G Marco Rivera underwent back surgery Thursday in Dallas after experiencing pain while running on a treadmill. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2009594)

Uh-oh!!! :eek:

:lol:

Ever since we let Newon go, we've had issues at the guard position. Larry Allen comes and goes, Garmon was a bust, Gurode hasn't been as good as expected, Peterman tears a ligament playing special teams in training camp. Same story, different day.

After the revolving door on the OL in 2002, nothing fazes me any more. That year, you needed a program to tell who was who one week from the next. We even had a guy come in and play pretty well, only to retire because of a heart condition.

I guess we won't find out how bad it really is until camp. The worst thing about that is, if it doesn't get well enough for him to play, our depth at the position will be affected unless Peterman has recovered well. It's eerily similiar to Woodson's problem from last year, except he developed a problem with his sciatic nerve that affected his leg after the surgery on his back.

[#1PaFan]

The once-Great Marco Rivera playing for the Gutter Mud Franchise Crackboys??? Michael Kay-rist Almighty!!!!

I wish him health, but DAMN!!!! How can a once great player like him sell his soul to play to play for one of the most classless, piece-of-crap franchises in the history of the NFL???

SHAME on him and his children!!! Going from the Green Bay Packers, the Richest Tradition in the NFL to the very city that murdered John Fitzgerald Kennedy??? Shameful!!!!

HOW can Marco even consider going from Titletown to joining a team with a history rife with Drug Running, Sexual Assault, Rape, and Child Molesting??????

Damnit, Marco!!! I just can't believe it!!!!

[#1PaFan]

The once-Great Marco Rivera playing for the Gutter Mud Franchise Crackboys??? Michael Kay-rist Almighty!!!!

I wish him health, but DAMN!!!! How can a once great player like him sell his soul to play to play for one of the most classless, piece-of-crap franchises in the history of the NFL???

SHAME on him and his children!!! Going from the Green Bay Packers, the Richest Tradition in the NFL to the very city that murdered John Fitzgerald Kennedy??? Shameful!!!!

HOW can Marco even consider going from Titletown to joining a team with a history rife with Drug Running, Sexual Assault, Rape, and Child Molesting??????

Damnit, Marco!!! I just can't believe it!!!!

Man, this really disturbs me! I can certainly see some pin-headed CrackBoy fan tap dancing over the truth. It just hurts to see a once-great, a once-classy player even consider urinating all over his once great legacy to pimp some money out of an organization. Even if that place is a Franchise completely devoid of any Class whatsoever.

Man, I just cannot believe that Marco is even THINKING about putting on that blue & silver French-like horsecrap. That faded, tarnished star hasn't shone in a decade. AND, even when it did shine, they owed it to the effin' Vikings!!! What a SCAM!!!!

Seriously, fellow Forumers: Do you really know ANY "Classy" Cowboy Fans?
EVERY single one I've ever met----EVER!!!.... needed their Ass kicked!!! Most of them are really effin' stupid (obviously) but a few of them are Big. Big & effin' stupid.

As much as I can't stand the Eagles, at least I take some solace in the fact that they're going to kick some Rapin', Child Molestin', Drug Runnin', Gun Totin' ASS next year. Not just once either. TWICE!!!

[DaveK913]

Not that the most recent posts are deserving of a response, but it seems someone enjoys reveling in other teams' past trials, and their own team's past glory.

Hello, and welcome to the present.

Laying the blame for the assassination of JFK belies your ignorance, and has no place in a thread talking about football, which is nothing if not trivial when compared to such topics. I've never lived in Dallas but I've known people who were there when it happened, and the pain they felt during that tragic time was no less if not greater than what was felt throughout the country. Do you also blame the city of Washington DC for Lincoln's assassination? Buffalo, NY for McKinley's assassination?

Ramble on incessantly about the Cowboys if you will, but please refrain from making such inane analogies.

[sanfranciscojetergirl]

I'll be honest, I really don't care about the Cowboys :D

Other than passively rooting against Parcells.

The Cowboy's was my second favorite team until Jerry Jones got rid my Tom L and Tony D and ever since then, I don't like them.

FIY, that is going on 20 years strong :D

[#1PaFan]

Not that the most recent posts are deserving of a response, but it seems someone enjoys reveling in other teams' past trials, and their own team's past glory.

Hello, and welcome to the present.

Laying the blame for the assassination of JFK belies your ignorance, and has no place in a thread talking about football, which is nothing if not trivial when compared to such topics. I've never lived in Dallas but I've known people who were there when it happened, and the pain they felt during that tragic time was no less if not greater than what was felt throughout the country. Do you also blame the city of Washington DC for Lincoln's assassination? Buffalo, NY for McKinley's assassination?

Ramble on incessantly about the Cowboys if you will, but please refrain from making such inane analogies.

Wow. Somebody doesn't know me! :) :gulp:

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

...
That faded, tarnished star hasn't shone in a decade...
If the star hasn't shone in a decade, then the cheesepack hasn't either in a decade minus 1. ;)

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

After the revolving door on the OL in 2002, nothing fazes me any more. That year, you needed a program to tell who was who one week from the next. We even had a guy come in and play pretty well, only to retire because of a heart condition.

You know it was bad when we had a guy from Princeton starting on our line. :scared:

Ross Tucker did end up getting a 3 year deal from Buffalo though... doesn't say much, I guess.

[#1PaFan]

If the star hasn't shone in a decade, then the cheesepack hasn't either in a decade minus 1. ;)

True. We haven't brought home the Lombardi Trophy in a while, but at least we won our Division a few times and made the playoffs.

But, you ARE right. It's been a while for My Pack. :)

[DaveK913]

You know it was bad when we had a guy from Princeton starting on our line. :scared:

Ross Tucker did end up getting a 3 year deal from Buffalo though... doesn't say much, I guess.

I think we ended up using around 10 OL combinations that year. It was bad enough to be using 2nd or 3rd stringers, or players brought in from nowhere, but there was never a chance to develop any sort of chemistry on the line.

Tucker turned out to be serviceable and may have stuck around if not for a regime change. I think he started the majority of the Bills' games. It's true you don't see many Ivy Leaguers hang around in the NFL. I lived fairly close to Princeton when we had a couple of Tigers on the team. Jason and Judd Garrett were both on the team in '93, although Judd's brief tenure was one year spent on the practice squad. There used to be some good write ups on them in the local papers at the time.

I wouldn't mind having Jason back as a QB coach, but he ended up in Miami, I believe. I think Judd is on the same staff.

It looks as though the attention is more on the defense for now, with all this Howard trade news flying around. I would be okay with a deal as long as he isn't breaking the bank, but he's looking for a deal similiar to the one Grant Wistrom received from Seattle last year. 5 or 6 years, $33M with a $16M signing bonus. That's a bit much for a guy who's 28, averaged around 8 sacks a year, and has missed 11 games the last 2 years. Of course, I don't sign hte checks.

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

It looks as though the attention is more on the defense for now, with all this Howard trade news flying around. I would be okay with a deal as long as he isn't breaking the bank, but he's looking for a deal similiar to the one Grant Wistrom received from Seattle last year. 5 or 6 years, $33M with a $16M signing bonus. That's a bit much for a guy who's 28, averaged around 8 sacks a year, and has missed 11 games the last 2 years. Of course, I don't sign hte checks.
Like Mick Spagnola said, right now, they're pretty much hovering smack in the middle of wanting to turn things around this year and not wanting to be screwed financially and competitively in the future--whether or not this particular move gets done will be at least an indicator of which way that balance is going to tip. We've got a nifty little core of fairly young franchise-quality and potential franchise-quality players on both sides of the ball going, and it would be a shame for them not to be in a position to be competitive for quite a few years to come.

I wouldn't want to spend a draft choice THIS year on him, OR pay him that much $. But D*MN, the D-line would look awesome on paper should this get done, and leave safety as the only glaring defensive hole (once again, I personally am a Lynn Scott supporter), one which could fairly easily be addressed in the draft, provided we don't give any of our 1st or 2nd round draft picks away as part of the Howard deal.

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

By all accounts, Dallas had a brilliant draft. I wish they'd taken a safety sooner, but at the times we picked, there didn't seem to be anyone worth each successive pick, plus I read Beriault in the 6th could be a steal anyway.

Ware instead of Merriman is like 1 and 1A to me--pleased with that, too. I wanted Spears badly, but was resigned to the fact that he'd be gone somewhere between 11 and 20. He wasn't. Overall, this draft shores up pretty much every remaining hole on defense while providing the flexibility to play 4-3 or 3-4. I, personally, think time will be split in some fashion among both alignments due to the fact that our incumbent best front 7 players (Ellis, Glover, Nguyen) are best suited to the current system and the fact that the new "3-4 guys" are just that: new.

Only thing missing now is that receiver, but, provided everyone the Cowboys have now at that position stays healthy, they'll be more than fine.

On another note, I got a kick of how loose things seemed to be in the War Room every time we saw it on TV (Sadly, too much work prevented me from going yet again. Alas.), especially that shot of Stephen Jones dancing it up and of Jerry in his ginormous glasses. I was pleased to see that it seemed like Jerry let Tuna call all the shots.

Things will be better this season. :)

[OxDiesel]

Things may be better this season, Natalie, but this draft really wasn't a good start. Maybe what JJ & Tuna thought was so funny is the way everyone is fawning all over their work this weekend. I was NOT laughing. I'm sick of hearing about the great job they did when I can show you THREE different times they screwed up:
1. Taking Ware instead of Merriman. I know Ware has the speed, but I'm not sold on the strength. He's to skinny to take on guys like Pace, Ogden or even Alex Barron. I wanted somebody that was quick AND could shed blocks. Merriman was a proven talent against better competition.
2. Taking Burnett in the 2nd Round. I know a good pass rush makes your coverage better, but nothing could have helped that secondary last year; they were absolutely atrocious. Taking Corey Webster or Justin Miller, who also could have been a nice addition on returns, would have been the smarter choice to pair with Newman. Both CBs were taken within the following 15 picks.
3. Taking Barber in the 4th. Worst. Pick. Of Our Draft. Well, at least with Jerome Mathis and Craphonso Thorpe still on the board. Speed WR is a much bigger hole than change-of-pace RB. If they feel Julius Jones can't handle being an every-down back, they never should have passed on Steven Jackson and taken him. Meanwhile, both WRs were gone within 7 picks after MB3.

Taking Chris Canty (DE) and Justin Beriault (S) in the 4th and 6th Rounds were the only smart picks they made. I'm not counting Marcus Spears, because that was a no-brainer -- my unborn daughter could have made that pick. Those three guys are the only things that saved this draft.

OVERALL GRADE: B/B- (and only because they did fill some needs and holes, just not as well as they could have)

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

Things may be better this season, Natalie, but this draft really wasn't a good start. Maybe what JJ & Tuna thought was so funny is the way everyone is fawning all over their work this weekend. I was NOT laughing. I'm sick of hearing about the great job they did when I can show you THREE different times they screwed up:
1. Taking Ware instead of Merriman. I know Ware has the speed, but I'm not sold on the strength. He's to skinny to take on guys like Pace, Ogden or even Alex Barron. I wanted somebody that was quick AND could shed blocks. Merriman was a proven talent against better competition.
2. Taking Burnett in the 2nd Round. I know a good pass rush makes your coverage better, but nothing could have helped that secondary last year; they were absolutely atrocious. Taking Corey Webster or Justin Miller, who also could have been a nice addition on returns, would have been the smarter choice to pair with Newman. Both CBs were taken within the following 15 picks.
3. Taking Barber in the 4th. Worst. Pick. Of Our Draft. Well, at least with Jerome Mathis and Craphonso Thorpe still on the board. Speed WR is a much bigger hole than change-of-pace RB. If they feel Julius Jones can't handle being an every-down back, they never should have passed on Steven Jackson and taken him. Meanwhile, both WRs were gone within 7 picks after MB3.

Taking Chris Canty (DE) and Justin Beriault (S) in the 4th and 6th Rounds were the only smart picks they made. I'm not counting Marcus Spears, because that was a no-brainer -- my unborn daughter could have made that pick. Those three guys are the only things that saved this draft.

OVERALL GRADE: B/B- (and only because they did fill some needs and holes, just not as well as they could have)
With respect to 2., the presence of Newman and the big $$$ they gave to Henry pretty much precluded taking another corner that high. We've got two starters and a disgruntled potential third starting-quality CB in Hunter, who was just re-signed but wants out.

As for 3., I get the impression that people in the know with the team really like Patrick Crayton. He's got the speed but needs more experience. I, personally, thought he showed a lot of potential. I would have liked a receiver at some point, too, but, assuming health, Johnson's size and toughness, Glenn's speed and great hands, Morgan's whatever it is he brings to the table, and Crayton's speed and, hopefully with more experience, increasing skill, put us pretty good at WR at least for this year. Getting 30-35 carries per game, EVERY game is, in my mind, a large contributing factor in what drove Ricky Williams out of the league. A change of pace back is a necessity. In 1995, when he had the most carries of his career, Emmitt Smith himself averaged only 23.6 over 16 games. I could not be happier with the outcome of waiting for the 2nd to take Julius Jones and getting an extra 1st round pick this year to boot. Had he been healthy all year, he might have been a Pro Bowler, but I digress.

Regardless of my own personal happy opinion about this draft, Mick Spagnola over at cowboys.com seems to be likewise happy--overjoyed even, especially about the newfound DEPTH we have on defense that we haven't had since the glory years. He's a guy that isn't afraid to tell it like it is and whose opinion I trust more than anyone else's out there who writes about the team.

Our defense will be sweet, and the offense will run like a well-oiled machine. Mark my words. :P

[Rich]

FWIW, Accorsi said the guy he really liked in the draft was Ware.

[RIyankee]

Dallas had the best draft of any team over the weekend. In a draft lacking in blue chippers on the "D" side, they snatched up 3 defensive studs on Day One.

Tuna is now ready to transition his team to the 3-4.

[#1PaFan]

Dallas had the best draft of any team over the weekend. In a draft lacking in blue chippers on the "D" side, they snatched up 3 defensive studs on Day One.

Tuna is now ready to transition his team to the 3-4.

Yes, it's painful for me to say but I believe Dallas did a helluva job this past weekend. I think Nat will be quite pleased with the results. :( ;) :gulp:

[Rich]

Dallas had the best draft of any team over the weekend. In a draft lacking in blue chippers on the "D" side, they snatched up 3 defensive studs on Day One.

Tuna is now ready to transition his team to the 3-4.

I think the Cardinals did.

[RIyankee]

I think the Cardinals did.

They had a great draft too. They even got an impressive group of undrafted FAs.

[Rich]

The Cowboys signed Aaron Glenn, who was cut by the Texans.

[#1PaFan]

Here's what the Warroom has to say about their picks:

Demarcus Ware:
With no defensive linemen or linebackers going in the top 10, coach Bill Parcells had all options on the board. Ware's stock shot up in recent weeks. It's questionable to take him ahead of Maryland OLB Shawne Merriman, who played against better competition in college and could be a more complete prospect. Dallas is converting to a 3-4 defense, and Ware is an explosive stand-up pass rusher. He will be Dallas' version of Willie McGinest. Apparently, Ware being suspected in a series of armed robberies pushed Jerry Jones towards selecting him.

Marcus Spears:
Things are falling perfectly for Dallas, which wanted a linebacker and defensive end in the first round. Since the rape charges were dropped, Spears fits great as a 3-4 end because he can hold up against the run and occupy blockers but also still get a push in the pass rush.

Kevin Burnett:
He is a terrific pick for the Cowboys, who have enjoyed an impressive defensive-minded start to the draft (including first-rounders Demarcus Ware and Marcus Spears). Once his girlfriend came out of the coma from the vicious beating and dropped charges, Burnett was a shoo-in. Burnett, a great run-and-chase 3-4 linebacker, also will fit right into their new scheme. In addition to showing outstanding athleticism, intelligence and quickness, he, like Ware and Spears, brings great intangibles.

Marion Barber:
Barber gives coach Bill Parcells a backup runner capable of being able to takeover not only as an accomplished methamphetamine lab operater, but also as a featured back if Julius Jones gets injured.

Chris Canty:
Canty is a terrific athlete who would've been a high first-round pick if not for knee and eye injuries he inflicted upon his two-year-old daughter last year. He is another player who fits well into the 4-3 or 3-4.

That's the guys they got in the first 4 rounds. Obviously, their Defense will be MUCH better than it was this past season. :mad:

:)

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

The Cowboys signed Aaron Glenn, who was cut by the Texans.
I don't know what OD was thinking with being so mad that we didn't draft another CB in the 2nd. Newman, Henry's making a ton of $$$, Hunter... Adding depth at that particular position via the draft, much less a draft pick that high, wasn't really a necessity. :confused: With picks that high, you want a guy who's going to compete for a starting job, not provide added depth and play nickel CB, which is what Glenn would give them.

[OxDiesel]

I don't know what OD was thinking with being so mad that we didn't draft another CB in the 2nd. Newman, Henry's making a ton of $$$, Hunter... Adding depth at that particular position via the draft, much less a draft pick that high, wasn't really a necessity. :confused: With picks that high, you want a guy who's going to compete for a starting job, not provide added depth and play nickel CB, which is what Glenn would give them.

FWIW, I like the Glenn signing. ALOT. There were too many problems in the 2ndary last year between injury and bad play, so I just felt that and WR were the bigger needs, especially after the two 1st rounders. As upset as I was at the time of the Burnett pick, I was even more bothered by passing on Thorpe/Mathis in the early 4th.

[OxDiesel]

So, I hear the A-Train has hitched up to the Cowboys bandwagon. Anthony Thomas as the backup is very good. It's also EXACTLY the reason why I didn't want to waste a 4th Round pick on an RB! (especially a crappy one like MB3)

Regardless, adding a veteran behind Julius that doesn't have Eddie George's mileage is a nice addition.

[RIyankee]

I'm suprised the Eagles didn't go after Thomas. IMO Philly didn't have a good offseason. They're counting on Bukhalter(sp) to return from knee sugery, have holdouts and other distractions. The Eagles achilles heel last year was their running game. They could become vunerable to the competition for the top spot in the NFC East.

[OxDiesel]

What does everyone else think of taking a shot on Peter Boulware??
As long as it's not too expensive, of course...

[hugelongtermdeal]

As the Dallas Cowboys fanbase within the NYYFans community continues to grow, this can be the place where we talk about them, since, well, I bring them up a lot, and people always reply, whether with coherent discussion or incoherent drunken mockery. :gulp:

Whether you love them or love to hate them, the reality is that YOU care about the Cowboys, even if it's only like Sox fans care about the Yankees.

So discuss away...

Based on the thread title, i thought this would be a Patriot's discussion. ;)

[OxDiesel]

Based on the thread title, i thought this would be a Patriot's discussion. ;)

Ummm, no. This thread is for the FIRST team to win 3 Lombardis in 4 years.

[#1PaFan]

Nate Newton was in the news today:

http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/sports/11647303.htm

TODAY'S TALK

Former Cowboy Nate Newton, left, says his competitive nature led him into the drug business. "I've always been competitive ..." said Newton, who retired after the 2000 season. "I couldn't see myself not being the biggest dope man." Newton, 43, was released from prison last year after serving about 2 1/2 years on a drug conviction.

WTG, Nate! Aim HIGH!!!! :lol: :gulp:

[cubswin]

Ummm, no. This thread is for the FIRST team to win 3 Lombardis in 4 years.

Who knows, they may even win one again one day...

[cubswin]

Nate Newton was in the news today:

http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/sports/11647303.htm

TODAY'S TALK

Former Cowboy Nate Newton, left, says his competitive nature led him into the drug business. "I've always been competitive ..." said Newton, who retired after the 2000 season. "I couldn't see myself not being the biggest dope man." Newton, 43, was released from prison last year after serving about 2 1/2 years on a drug conviction.

WTG, Nate! Aim HIGH!!!! :lol: :gulp:

:lol: wow, what a competitor -- gotta admire that guy

[OxDiesel]

"I couldn't see myself not being the biggest dope man."

The real question is, does he mean in stature or on the scale???

[#1PaFan]

Ummm, no. This thread is for the FIRST team to win 3 Lombardis in 4 years.

It's Called a "Lombardi."

:) :gulp:

[OxDiesel]

It's Called a "Lombardi."

:) :gulp:

Correct. As in, "We won a Lombardi in 1997." Or, "We won a Lombardi in 1967 & 1968."

How-EV-ah, "We won 3 Lombardis in four years from 1993 through 1996."

Dip that in your cheese and eat it... ;)

[#1PaFan]

Correct. As in, "We won a Lombardi in 1997." Or, "We won a Lombardi in 1967 & 1968."

How-EV-ah, "We won 3 Lombardis in four years from 1993 through 1996."

Dip that in your cheese and eat it... ;)

TWELVE. Gas THAT up, Diesel!!

Community OWNED.

ONE team in the NFL will NEVER move. :P

[#1PaFan]

Perhaps we shouldn't talk about the Tarnish. I don't want to embarass Our Cowboy Fans.

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

Nate Newton was in the news today:

http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/sports/11647303.htm

TODAY'S TALK

Former Cowboy Nate Newton, left, says his competitive nature led him into the drug business. "I've always been competitive ..." said Newton, who retired after the 2000 season. "I couldn't see myself not being the biggest dope man." Newton, 43, was released from prison last year after serving about 2 1/2 years on a drug conviction.

WTG, Nate! Aim HIGH!!!! :lol: :gulp:
This news is SO 3 days ago. You can do better than that, George! :gulp:

[RIyankee]

I wouldn't be surprised if Dallas wins the NFC East.

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

Ever since we let Newon go, we've had issues at the guard position. Larry Allen comes and goes, Garmon was a bust, Gurode hasn't been as good as expected, Peterman tears a ligament playing special teams in training camp. Same story, different day...

I guess we won't find out how bad it really is until camp. The worst thing about that is, if it doesn't get well enough for him to play, our depth at the position will be affected unless Peterman has recovered well. It's eerily similiar to Woodson's problem from last year, except he developed a problem with his sciatic nerve that affected his leg after the surgery on his back.
Good news so far on the progress of the issues addressed in the quoted post.

Parcells has finally moved Gurode back to center, and he's looking good so far. The competition between him and Johnson is a good thing.

Rivera has worked his way back and has been playing with the first team since the start of camp.

At right tackle, there has been talk of moving Larry over, but Parcells stated this would happen if and only if he had someone who could fill in at left guard better than anyone else other than Larry could play right tackle. Jacob Rogers seems to have made tremendous strides at right tackle coming off a season in which he was never quite ready enough to even see time on the field during a game. The entire Larry Allen Failed His Conditioning Test Nonsense was completely overblown (though it was pretty hilarious watching him plod through conditioning drills that he obviously didn't enjoy). I really think the keys here are Larry not being lazy and Flozell putting in a full, consistent effort, including cutting down on the penalties. Barring injury, the offensive line should be, at the bare minimum, solid to good.

Everywhere you look, with the notable exceptions of free safety because it's still up in the air who's going to start there and quarterback because you don't know how well Bledsoe is going to hold up, there is a pleasing amount of depth.

[OxDiesel]

I'm starting to feel better and better about this season every passing day.
The fact that Spears should be back by September adds to the promise.

[RIyankee]

Bledsoe, Testaverde comparison (http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Article.php?Page=359&Category=1)

[Tal Hawkins]

Bledsoe, Testaverde comparison (http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Article.php?Page=359&Category=1)
Given the option of Bledsoe or Testaverde, I'll take Bledsoe any day...I hope he has a resurgence and returns to the form he had a few years ago. I would have rather seen Collins or Warner in a Cowboys uniform, but Bledsoe will do for now. It would be nice to see Henson or Romo get some significant playing time, the Cowboys have done a terrible job in recent years developing QBs.

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

Given the option of Bledsoe or Testaverde, I'll take Bledsoe any day...I hope he has a resurgence and returns to the form he had a few years ago. I would have rather seen Collins or Warner in a Cowboys uniform, but Bledsoe will do for now. It would be nice to see Henson or Romo get some significant playing time, the Cowboys have done a terrible job in recent years developing QBs.
I would rather stick hot needles in my eyes than ever have to watch Kurt Warner in a Cowboys uniform. On the other hand, at least then Roy Williams wouldn't be able to break Warner's thumb again, at least not during a game. :D

Ideally, Henson would soon show himself to be the next "guy", but he's been struggling a bit in camp. Of all the less-than-desirable QB options out there, I guess Bledsoe is probably the best for this team right now because we don't have a lot of time, meaning that his familiarity with how Parcells likes things done is a plus. I think he'll have a far better chance to succeed than Testaverde did because the play of the offensive line should be much improved. Additionally, Parcells has expressed regret at trying to get too fancy and trying to press the depleted offense to do more than it was capable of doing last year and will opt to call a much more steady diet of run plays. The depth at RB will make this more than feasible. However, yeah, I knew when we acquired him that he'd be pretty much another Testaverde, only younger.

I really thought Quincy Carter was headed in the right direction, despite his start as just another one of Jerry Jones' "intriguing prospects". It's too bad some other stuff got in the way.

[RIyankee]

Here's a site you Dallas fans will enjoy...

http://www.theboys.com/home.asp

[Tal Hawkins]

I think he'll have a far better chance to succeed than Testaverde did because the play of the offensive line should be much improved. Additionally, Parcells has expressed regret at trying to get too fancy and trying to press the depleted offense to do more than it was capable of doing last year and will opt to call a much more steady diet of run plays. The depth at RB will make this more than feasible.

Agreed. Fewer passes, a better O-line, Jones/Thomas/Barber in the backfield, plus a run-first offense equals a more consistent team...which should get Dallas in the playoffs.

I really thought Quincy Carter was headed in the right direction, despite his start as just another one of Jerry Jones' "intriguing prospects". It's too bad some other stuff got in the way.
If by 'other stuff' you mean his lack of ability to throw a decent pass, then okay. Quincy never should have never made it to a starting role for any NFL team...he's a serviceable backup, nothing more.

[#1PaFan]

Agreed. Fewer passes, a better O-line, Jones/Thomas/Barber in the backfield, plus a run-first offense equals a more consistent team...which should get Dallas in the playoffs.


If by 'other stuff' you mean his lack of ability to throw a decent pass, then okay. Quincy never should have never made it to a starting role for any NFL team...he's a serviceable backup, nothing more.

Cool. Tal, this is Nat. Nat, Tal. He's from Dallas. AND, from his profile, he's a Longhorn Fan.

Hey Tal, don't say I never did anything for you! Nat is a BIGTIME Cowboys fan. AND, a Longhorn Fan. I'm sure the PMs will be flying between you two this fall & winter. :)
She's a fine young lady and a rabid fan; so much so that I allowed her to attend a game at the Hallowed Frozen Tundra this past Season. (How did she repay me? By NOT calling me. :mad: )

:gulp:

[Tal Hawkins]

Cool. Tal, this is Nat. Nat, Tal. He's from Dallas. AND, from his profile, he's a Longhorn Fan.

Hey Tal, don't say I never did anything for you! Nat is a BIGTIME Cowboys fan. AND, a Longhorn Fan. I'm sure the PMs will be flying between you two this fall & winter. :)
She's a fine young lady and a rabid fan; so much so that I allowed her to attend a game at the Hallowed Frozen Tundra this past Season. (How did she repay me? By NOT calling me. :mad: )

:gulp:
Thanks for the introduction to Nat, #1PaFan. I'll be sure to keep in touch with her...should be a great season for both the Cowboys and Longhorns.

Nat, any plans to attend a Cowboys game this year? Looks like the Boys will be in California 3 times...all within the first 4 weeks. I'm going to the Dallas/Philly game here at Texas Stadium on 10/9. I've only been to one game, the seats sucked and we lost to NYG...this time around we're splurging a little and will sit in the lower section.

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

(How did she repay me? By NOT calling me. :mad: )

:gulp:
You probably did too much :gulp: to remember, but YOU did not call ME. :mad: :gulp:

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

Thanks for the introduction to Nat, #1PaFan. I'll be sure to keep in touch with her...should be a great season for both the Cowboys and Longhorns.

Nat, any plans to attend a Cowboys game this year? Looks like the Boys will be in California 3 times...all within the first 4 weeks. I'm going to the Dallas/Philly game here at Texas Stadium on 10/9. I've only been to one game, the seats sucked and we lost to NYG...this time around we're splurging a little and will sit in the lower section.
The plan was to go to the Sunday night St. Louis game in Dallas on 1/1, but we're trying to change those plans to either the @ Giants game or the Monday night @ Eagles game. (I'm not in California during the school year. I was SO hoping that the San Diego game would fall over Christmas break. :( )

My first game was also a loss to the Giants. Second time around, they beat the Giants to clinch the playoffs. I'm sure you'll have better luck, too. :D :gulp:

[#1PaFan]

You probably did too much :gulp: to remember, but YOU did not call ME. :mad: :gulp:

Well, I gave you my number too! AND who had the brilliant idea to stay in Appleton? Why didn't you just get a room in St. Paul?
You & your brother missed out on a great steak dinner at Brett's!!! Not only would you have had a great & paid-for dinner, some of that Green Bay class might have permeated that slimy Crackboy soul of yours.
Well, for whatever it matters, I still say a prayer to St. Vincent for you every night.

:D :gulp:

GO PACK GO!!!

[dabomb2045]

The plan was to go to the Sunday night St. Louis game in Dallas on 1/1, but we're trying to change those plans to either the @ Giants game or the Monday night @ Eagles game. (I'm not in California during the school year. I was SO hoping that the San Diego game would fall over Christmas break. :( )

My first game was also a loss to the Giants. Second time around, they beat the Giants to clinch the playoffs. I'm sure you'll have better luck, too. :D :gulp:

I may have extra ticket(s) to the @ Giants game if your interested...im not sure exactly how many..it could be 1 or 2...you would have to sit by myself and my friend....he is a die-hard Giants fan, Im a Jets fan who would def be rooting for the Giants (I wish death upon Parcells ;) )

it would definetly provide for some entertaining banter to say the least :) ;)

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

Demarcus Ware :drool:

I hope you're watching, Ox. ;)

[#1PaFan]

Demarcus Ware :drool:



He had a monster first half. And he should; he's a Drunkard! :gulp:

[FreeYayo]

He had a monster first half. And he should; he's a Drunkard! :gulp:
:lol:

[OxDiesel]

Demarcus Ware :drool:

I hope you're watching, Ox. ;)


Uhhhh, yeah, I was watching. And, believe me, all I was thinking about the entire first half was how I was going to get crucified for what I said after the draft. Let's just say I've never been happier about being wrong and leave it at that. :uhh: :-surrende
So now that I've taken back EVERYTHING I said about him, I hope he doesn't make me regret it. And, yes, I noticed that the "next" Charles Haley is also wearing #94. And I can't believe I'm gonna have to watch him pile up stats for the Drumbling Funkards... :barf:

[Tal Hawkins]

DeMarcus Ware is the #1 topic of discussion on the radio here in Dallas...surprise, surprise, right? Patrick Crayton is another player getting a lot of pub today...I didn't watch all of last night's game, but from what I saw Ware is going to be a monster this year and Crayton could easily be the #1 or #2 wideout depending on how Glenn holds up.

[#1PaFan]

Was Derek Ross discussed at all? :D :badass:

:gulp:

[#1PaFan]

The Crackboys picked up Peerless Price. I kind of figured they would take a shot on him just to team him back up with Bledsoe.

[Tal Hawkins]

The Crackboys picked up Peerless Price. I kind of figured they would take a shot on him just to team him back up with Bledsoe.I like this signing...should be of some help to Bledsoe's confidence, having played with Price before. I wonder if Keyshawn will be moved to 3rd on the depth chart, behind Glenn & Price...moving Crayton to 4th, and leaving Quincy Morgan out of a job. And, most importantly, they now have some depth at that position.

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

I like this signing...should be of some help to Bledsoe's confidence, having played with Price before. I wonder if Keyshawn will be moved to 3rd on the depth chart, behind Glenn & Price...moving Crayton to 4th, and leaving Quincy Morgan out of a job. And, most importantly, they now have some depth at that position.
I'm sure you know Quincy Morgan is, indeed, now out of a job. I like this move, too. What I don't like is the bitterness I feel about releasing the dude we got for Antonio Bryant. That trade just became that much worse.

Here's a list of their recent and cut-day transactions:
Signed S Willie Pile
Acquired LB Scott Fujita from Kansas City for a 2006 sixth-round draft pick and a conditional 2007 pick
Placed S Justin Beriault and LB Kalen Thornton on injured reserve

Released:
RB Erik Bickerstaff
DT Leonardo Carson
S Rich Coady
WR Tom Crowder
TE Tony Curtis
S Woody Dantzler
RB Keylon Kincade
K Nick Novak
DE Eric Ogbogu
LB Keith O'Neil
TE Jeff Robinson
TE Sean Ryan
S Lynn Scott
OL Matthew Tarullo
OL Tyson Walter
Waived-injured OT Kurt Vollers

A few of those guys have already been signed to the practice squad. A few of these moves make me uneasy. First, cutting Pro Bowl snapper Jeff Robinson and passing the long-snapping duties to rookie Jon Condo. I hope this works a lot better than when Hellestrae departed. If people didn't know how important a good long snapper was before then, they certainly learned. I assume Condo was given the nod because of his ability to contribute elsewhere on special teams. We'll see.

Secondly, cutting both Walter and Vollers. Both were singled out all summer for their abilities to play all along the line. I assumed there wouldn't be spots for both on the final roster, but cutting both when there are still doubts about the right tackle position?

[Tal Hawkins]

I'm sure you know Quincy Morgan is, indeed, now out of a job. I like this move, too. What I don't like is the bitterness I feel about releasing the dude we got for Antonio Bryant. That trade just became that much worse.Yeah, I saw today that Quincy Morgan was released by the Cowboys...nothing that wasn't expected. Regarding the trade that brought Morgan here, at the time it happened I was on-board with it, but now I'm starting to think it was a bad move...I'm going to be pissed if Bryant has a good year in Cleveland.

Isn't Eric Ogbogu the guy in the Under Armour commercials? And please tell me they signed Woody Dantzler to the practice squad. Didn't Jeff Robinson have some health issues after he signed with Dallas? I know he was supposed to be one of the best deep snappers in the league, but if he's injury prone I'd rather see Condo get the start.

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

Yeah, I saw today that Quincy Morgan was released by the Cowboys...nothing that wasn't expected. Regarding the trade that brought Morgan here, at the time it happened I was on-board with it, but now I'm starting to think it was a bad move...I'm going to be pissed if Bryant has a good year in Cleveland.I was pissed at the time it happened. He had every reason to be pissed about the two "Parcells Guys" jumping ahead of him on the depth chart before he even got a chance. He definitely went through a "sophomore slump", but he showed during his rookie season and then after his trade to Cleveland that he's got the talent. I had no qualms drafting him for my fantasy team.


Isn't Eric Ogbogu the guy in the Under Armour commercials? And please tell me they signed Woody Dantzler to the practice squad. Didn't Jeff Robinson have some health issues after he signed with Dallas? I know he was supposed to be one of the best deep snappers in the league, but if he's injury prone I'd rather see Condo get the start.
Eric "We Must Protect This House" Ogbogu... People are always asking him to say it. The entire team even egged him onto it after practice one day in camp. In fact, he signs his autograph "Eric Ogbogu PTH #90", PTH for "Protect This House." :)

As far as I have seen, Woody was not signed to the practice squad.

I know Jeff Robinson was out for the whole year his first year with the Cowboys, 2002, but he played in all 16 games every year before and after that. Plus, in his bit role as a goal line tight end, literally all he did was catch TD passes: 4 passes for 4 TDs in his 2 active years with the Cowboys. My
brother and I always referred to him as "Jeff Robinson: All he does is catch touchdowns." Apparently, Parcells really likes Condo's special teams capabilities apart from his snapping. You know how Parcells likes guys who can contribute on special teams.

[RIyankee]

Burnett's Injury Causes Cowboys to Re-Sign Ogbogu (http://www.dallascowboys.com/news.cfm?id=381998CB-F648-34CA-4F5E055BC7B86C81)

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

Burnett's Injury Causes Cowboys to Re-Sign Ogbogu (http://www.dallascowboys.com/news.cfm?id=381998CB-F648-34CA-4F5E055BC7B86C81)
I'm very comfortable with Ogbogu out there. Worst thing about all this is having to cut Bruce Thornton to make room for him.

[Archer1979]

Good luck Drew Bledsoe. Now that you're out of the AFC East, I can start rooting for you again.

Right up until the Super Bowl. ;)

[SuperMario66]

Okay, it would be really nice if I could actually watch this game.

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

Okay, it would be really nice if I could actually watch this game.
Yeah fer realz. Stupid Giants. Stupid regional coverage. I kinda like watching the helmets move across the screen on GameCenter, though. :mad:

Anyway, we just scored from inside the red zone. 1st down from the SD 17, a rush for 2 yards. 2nd down, incomplete. 3rd down, penalty, and I thought, "well, crap, I guess it's gonna be the same old thing. Can't score from inside the red zone..." BUT I WAS WRONG!!! This is a new year, indeed. :gulp: :gulp: :gulp:

[dabomb2045]

Bledsoe has looked real good thus far

[dabomb2045]

blown coverage by DeMarcus Ware...easy TD for McCardell

[JDPNYY]

Who listens to Joe Buck and says they want him as the lead play-by-play guy for Baseball AND Football?


The guy is awful.

[dabomb2045]

Who listens to Joe Buck and says they want him as the lead play-by-play guy for Baseball AND Football?


The guy is awful.


as bad as he is in baseball, I think he is even worse in football (if thats possible)

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

Who listens to Joe Buck and says they want him as the lead play-by-play guy for Baseball AND Football?


The guy is awful.
I liked him with Collinsworth and Aikman. I don't now how he is with only 1 guy around now to limit his talking time though, since I'm not able to watch this game because of REGIONAL COVERAGE. :mad:

[dabomb2045]

I liked him with Collinsworth and Aikman. I don't now how he is with only 1 guy around now to limit his talking time though, since I'm not able to watch this game because of REGIONAL COVERAGE. :mad:


NFL Sunday Ticket=Greatest Invention EVER :)

[JDPNYY]

I liked him with Collinsworth and Aikman. I don't now how he is with only 1 guy around now to limit his talking time though, since I'm not able to watch this game because of REGIONAL COVERAGE. :mad:

Bledsoe looks good.
Jones looks good.
Ware is going to be a superstar - soon.

[dabomb2045]

Bledsoe looks good.
Jones looks good.
Ware is going to be a superstar - soon.


Ware was having a good game...up until his blown coverage on McCardell

he's gotta do a better job of jamming him inside 5 yards on that particular play

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

NFL Sunday Ticket=Greatest Invention EVER :)
As soon as dorm life is over, that is the first thing I'm getting. Even if I'm living in a box--it'll be me, my box, and NFL Sunday Ticket.

Or, I could just move back to the LA area, where we have the best selection of games due to not having stupid regional coverage clogging up both CBS and FOX at the same time, what with not having any team there and all. I just want to see my Cowboys.

[dabomb2045]

As soon as dorm life is over, that is the first thing I'm getting. Even if I'm living in a box--it'll be me, my box, and NFL Sunday Ticket.

Or, I could just move back to the LA area, where we have the best selection of games due to not having stupid regional coverage clogging up both CBS and FOX at the same time, what with not having any team there and all. I just want to see my Cowboys.


its definetly a great investment...luckily Im still at home and my dad pays for it...but when I move out next year, I dont care what it takes, I WILL get the Sunday Ticket....if it means eating bread for 2 months so be it :lol:

[Casey37]

I was very pissed today.

I thought I'd be watching my Cowboys vs the Chargers and instead I wound up watching the fricken Giants vs the Cards.

What a sucky way to end the weekend. :-po'd-:

[dabomb2045]

good 1st half...I think both teams have played at a high level

[SuperMario66]

Fairly impressed by the first quarter. Other than that first drive from SD, we have played pretty well.

[dabomb2045]

McCardell is having a field day against the Dallas secondary....picking on Newman this drive, then another blown coverage for the TD

[SuperMario66]

As soon as dorm life is over, that is the first thing I'm getting. Even if I'm living in a box--it'll be me, my box, and NFL Sunday Ticket.



Cause I got the Sunday Ticket... It's NFL Sunday Ticket from Direct TEEE VEEE!

[dabomb2045]

Cowboys get bailed out on a questionable roughing the passer penalty...then respond with a 90 yard TD drive

[dabomb2045]

Crayton is having one hell of a game

[#1PaFan]

Congratulations, Natasha! :)

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

Congratulations, Natasha! :)
Thanks, George. :gulp:

[dabomb2045]

Crayton and Anthony Henry were all over the place today

excellent goal line stand to win the game....huge road win to start the year for Dallas

Im very impressed

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

Can someone who saw the game on TV give me their final impressions?

Seemed like the offense was having its way, but so was SD's, to an extent. There were an awful lot of long yardage plays by San Diego that ended with a tackle by a member of the secondary, which would seem to indicate softness underneath and a lack of pressure on the QB, but that's just what I could gather from GameCenter on sportsline. I would especially like someone's impressions of the defense. Thanks. :)

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

Also, how did the offensive line play? I know Bledsoe was sacked, what, 4 times, but that could be an indication of his statue-like nature, or poor line play, or good defense from SD, or all of those, I don't know.

[dabomb2045]

Can someone who saw the game on TV give me their final impressions?

Seemed like the offense was having its way, but so was SD's, to an extent. There were an awful lot of long yardage plays by San Diego that ended with a tackle by a member of the secondary, which would seem to indicate softness underneath and a lack of pressure on the QB, but that's just what I could gather from GameCenter on sportsline. I would especially like someone's impressions of the defense. Thanks. :)

Dallas was blitzing alot all game long...and they did get burned a few times on some big plays....that last possession they were pretty much sending a safety and a linebacker on every play....Brees was under duress for most of the 2nd half, he just lucked into a few long passes

Newman had a rough game, they picked on him alot and McCardell had him confused all game....but Anthony Henry just dominated....12 tackles, and INT, and I think he had about 3 or 4 pass deflections including one down the sideline on Caldwell that probably saved the game

Crayton had an amazing game....every time it seemed they needed a big play, he delivered....Julius ran hard especially on the last TD drive

[RIyankee]

With Peerless Price being activated, which WR will be inactive for Sunday? (http://www.dallascowboys.com/news.cfm?id=4C92FE23-FE1F-5EEA-01E6F91A5F2B7E92)

Keyshawn Johnson
Patrick Crayton
Terry Glenn
Peerless Price
Terrance Copper

I know who I'd choose.

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

With Peerless Price being activated, which WR will be inactive for Sunday? (http://www.dallascowboys.com/news.cfm?id=4C92FE23-FE1F-5EEA-01E6F91A5F2B7E92)

Keyshawn Johnson
Patrick Crayton
Terry Glenn
Peerless Price
Terrance Copper

I know who I'd choose.
The "easy" choice would be Copper, but it's not really that easy. With the way special teams played last game, it's not going to be a light decision to sit"a valuable special teams player" like him, especially knowing how monumentally big Parcells is on special teams. I think he'll find someone at another position to inactivate.

[RIyankee]

The "easy" choice would be Copper, but it's not really that easy. With the way special teams played last game, it's not going to be a light decision to sit"a valuable special teams player" like him, especially knowing how monumentally big Parcells is on special teams. I think he'll find someone at another position to inactivate.

Terry Glenn is the only logical choice and knowing him, he'll pout if that happens. Crayton has more upside and might already be a better player. Keyshawn is a big and physical WR who is needed in the red zone. Copper plays on Teams and a #4 wideout that doesn't is a drag on the active roster. Price won't be happy sitting down and you can't blame him since he was just signed by the Cowboys. Plus, he's younger than Glenn and has more to offer.

If I were Tuna, I'd cut Glenn. He doesn't play on Teams, hasn't come close to playing at the level of his rookie season (1996), and, as always, he's a potential headache.

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

Terry Glenn is the only logical choice and knowing him, he'll pout if that happens. Crayton has more upside and might already be a better player. Keyshawn is a big and physical WR who is needed in the red zone. Copper plays on Teams and a #4 wideout that doesn't is a drag on the active roster. Price won't be happy sitting down and you can't blame him since he was just signed by the Cowboys. Plus, he's younger than Glenn and has more to offer.

If I were Tuna, I'd cut Glenn. He doesn't play on Teams, hasn't come close to playing at the level of his rookie season (1996), and, as always, he's a potential headache.
I had a feeling your choice would be Glenn! The reason why it's not for me is because I still believe, based on his 2003, he's better than you think he is at this point. Still quick, still has the best hands. Plus, based on last season with all the injuries to the top 3 receivers, I would not cut a single one of these guys and feel confident, though you are right about problems arising if one of them doesn't go.

[dabomb2045]

I had a feeling your choice would be Glenn! The reason why it's not for me is because I still believe, based on his 2003, he's better than you think he is at this point. Still quick, still has the best hands. Plus, based on last season with all the injuries to the top 3 receivers, I would not cut a single one of these guys and feel confident, though you are right about problems arising if one of them doesn't go.


I would sit Price...Glenn has his issues, but he is still the better WR by a wide margin

Price just aint that good

[RIyankee]

I would sit Price...Glenn has his issues, but he is still the better WR by a wide margin

Price just aint that good


Vick hasn't made any WRs look good.

[dabomb2045]

Vick hasn't made any WRs look good.

true...I just dont like Price much....he had the benefit of playing along side in Moulds in Buffalo, who would constantly draw double teams....Price was able to go 1 on 1 alot

[OxDiesel]

I would sit Price...Glenn has his issues, but he is still the better WR by a wide margin

Price just aint that good

I'm agreeing here. Not so much for the fact that he isn't good and has had only one really outstanding season, because so has Glenn. The more important reason for me is Price is only 2 weeks in the system; at least Sherry has been here for over a year. I think Peerlees may work out over time, and I love the idea of all 5 of them being active later on this season.

[2JAY]

Hopefully Crayton continues his impressive play Monday night.
Nothing better than seeing the foreskins going to Dallas and getting a Big L put on them.

[SuperMario66]

Can't wait for tonight. I am getting off work early so I can make it home a few mintues before kick off. I have been looking forward to this game for quite a while.

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

Can't wait for tonight. I am getting off work early so I can make it home a few mintues before kick off. I have been looking forward to this game for quite a while.
I haven't been this excited for a regular season game in a LONG time, which is saying a lot considering how excited I get every week even when they're not so good.

I have been wearing my favorite Aikman shirt today in commemoration of him and the other Triplets. I CAN'T WAIT!!!!! :gulp:

I say, quite conservatively, that we beat them 27-13. I REALLY want to say 67-3, but the main point is that the Cowboys will win convincingly.

[RIyankee]

I haven't been this excited for a regular season game in a LONG time, which is saying a lot considering how excited I get every week even when they're not so good.

I have been wearing my favorite Aikman shirt today in commemoration of him and the other Triplets. I CAN'T WAIT!!!!! :gulp:

I say, quite conservatively, that we beat them 27-13. I REALLY want to say 67-3, but the main point is that the Cowboys will win convincingly.

Nat, I'm excited too, but I think it's because I'm expecting a close game. The Skins have a playoff caliber "D".

[SuperMario66]

I haven't been this excited for a regular season game in a LONG time, which is saying a lot considering how excited I get every week even when they're not so good.

I have been wearing my favorite Aikman shirt today in commemoration of him and the other Triplets. I CAN'T WAIT!!!!! :gulp:

I say, quite conservatively, that we beat them 27-13. I REALLY want to say 67-3, but the main point is that the Cowboys will win convincingly.

From what I am told the induction isn't going to be on tv. I am livid at the moment and most likely will continue to be for a few days.

[Soriambi]

From what Kevin tells me the induction isn't going to be on tv. I am livid at the moment and most likely will continue to be for a few days.

That's what I heard on Dan Patrick and Michael Kay today. Evidentally they're pushing the telethon during halftime. I heard a few angry Cowboy fans calling into Patrick. Maybe their sources were bad and they'll show at least part of it. I know that if I was a big Cowboy fan, I'd be very annoyed if they don't show any of it. Maybe they've changed their mind between today's afternoon radio shows and the games, too-who knows?

[SuperMario66]

That's what I heard on Dan Patrick and Michael Kay today. Evidentally they're pushing the telethon during halftime. I heard a few angry Cowboy fans calling into Patrick. Maybe their sources were bad and they'll show at least part of it. I know that if I was a big Cowboy fan, I'd be very annoyed if they don't show any of it. Maybe they've changed their mind between today's afternoon radio shows and the games, too-who knows?

:mad:

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

Pissed about halftime, happy about the defense.

[SuperMario66]

Pissed about halftime, happy about the defense.

Pissed does not describe how I feel about half time and happy does not describe how I feel about the defense. Multiply both of those by like 1000. :mad: :D

[SuperMario66]

Oh hell freaking YES! What a play! I am so incredibly happy right now.

[SuperMario66]

.................

[dabomb2045]

how the hell do you get beat deep at this point in the game.....WOW...just WOW

ex-Jet pride...Santana Moss...way to go

[SuperMario66]

how the hell do you get beat deep at this point in the game.....WOW...just WOW

ex-Jet pride...Santana Moss...way to go

What is the deal lately?

[dabomb2045]

nice return...Dallas should get a FG out of this easily only need another 20 yards or so

[SuperMario66]

Please Please Please Please Please

[dabomb2045]

What is the deal lately?

I wont fault the first TD much...but the last one was just completely inexcusable

[SuperMario66]

Oh my freaking lord. I hate this.

[SuperMario66]

I think I am going to throw-up.

[SuperMario66]

Natalie - don't go near anything sharp.

[yankeesAZ]

HAIL TO THE REDSKINS! HAIL TO VICTORY!

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

I do believe this is an analysis thread.

41 yards is an inexcusable distance from which to miss. We need a new kicker.

[dabomb2045]

I do believe this is an analysis thread.

41 yards is an inexcusable distance from which to miss. We need a new kicker.

the bigger question....is was Dallas aware that Santana Moss is f*ckin fast?? apparently not

how can you let yourself get beat deep like that, considering the game situation??

[Soriambi]

I do believe this is an analysis thread.

41 yards is an inexcusable distance from which to miss. We need a new kicker.

Isn't Cortez the guy who had a tough time hitting anything for San Francisco and was cut by them mid-season a few years back, or am I thinking of someone else? I've gotta agree with Dabomb on this one-the second long pass to Moss was really a bad play by the Cowboys. You can't let any receiver get behind you in that situation. I think that Cowboys fans should be encouraged by the defense's performance (before the last four minutes, anyway.) I still believe that the Cowboys are going to be at least a Wild Card.

[SuperMario66]

I do believe this is an analysis thread.

41 yards is an inexcusable distance from which to miss. We need a new kicker.

Best analysis I have heard so far. I'm sure there is a Ferguson available. ::runs to call Jeff::

[yankeesAZ]

Isn't Cortez the guy who had a tough time hitting anything for San Francisco and was cut by them mid-season a few years back, or am I thinking of someone else? I've gotta agree with Dabomb on this one-the second long pass to Moss was really a bad play by the Cowboys. You can't let any receiver get behind you in that situation. I think that Cowboys fans should be encouraged by the defense's performance (before the last four minutes, anyway.) I still believe that the Cowboys are going to be at least a Wild Card.

He played briefly for the Skins after he was cut by the Niners. Really though, the game should have never come down to a FG.

[dabomb2045]

Isn't Cortez the guy who had a tough time hitting anything for San Francisco and was cut by them mid-season a few years back, or am I thinking of someone else? I've gotta agree with Dabomb on this one-the second long pass to Moss was really a bad play by the Cowboys. You can't let any receiver get behind you in that situation. I think that Cowboys fans should be encouraged by the defense's performance (before the last four minutes, anyway.) I still believe that the Cowboys are going to be at least a Wild Card.


Dallas better win next week (at SF)...cuz after that they have Oakland, Philly, Giants the next 3

[OxDiesel]

Aaron Glenn should be cut IMMEDIATELY. I don't even want them to wait until tomorrow morning; just do it now. In fact, Tuna should go Coach Nickerson from All The Right Moves on Glenn and not even let him on the bus.

HOW IN THE BLUE HELL do you get beaten by a guy you used to lineup against everyday in practice on the EXACT SAME PLAY TWICE IN A ROW???
Absolutely inexcusable and utterly ridiculous. To borrow something from the Sports Bar, I present Aaron Glenn: Team Bitch.

[OxDiesel]

I do believe this is an analysis thread.

41 yards is an inexcusable distance from which to miss. We need a new kicker.

Especially when you hit from the same distance two hours later.
Congratulations, Jose -- you just earned Dishonorable Mention.

[OxDiesel]

Dallas better win next week (at SF)...cuz after that they have Oakland, Philly, Giants the next 3

As disappointing and upsetting as this game was, I'm good with a 3-3 start.

[SuperMario66]

The Cowboys better be damn happy the Yankees won today or I might be in my car on the way to Irving to kick some ass.

[SuperMario66]

As disappointing and upsetting as this game was, I'm good with a 3-3 start.

You're counting on bearing the Giants?

[OxDiesel]

You're counting on bearing the Giants?

No -- San Fran & Oakland.

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

What was with the two phantom "holding" calls on Flozell that nixed first downs both times, the second one being even more key.

We're not even getting into the fact that Bledsoe must have been thinking he was on a basketball court with all those bounce passes because it shouldn't have come to that.

And what was with the pass-happy offense in the 2nd half? Can we give Tuna back the play-calling duties? It's not even 2nd-guessing... Madden was 1st guessing it as it was happening. Julius had 22 rushes for 81 yards--over a 3 yards per carry average, nearly 4. So he gains 6 on 1st down, it's 2nd and 4 and you go for 3 straight pass plays? All we needed to do was get within FG range, Tyson Thompson gift-wraps great field position with a monster return, we gain 6 on 1st down, and YOU CALL THREE STRAIGHT PASS PLAYS?! It's not like it's Antowain Smith The Great or a washed up Eddie George back there--it's Julius freaking Jones with Larry Allen and Flozell Adams to run behind... and you call three straight pass plays? It's not like we even needed a TD there, PLUS there was still about 2 and a half left on the clock. I don't care how little confidence you have in your kicker--you still have enough time to play for FG range FIRST, and once you're there THEN you play for a TD. With Julius Jones and time left on the clock though, EVEN playing for a TD should NOT include 3 straight pass plays beginning on 2nd and 4. For the above reasons, I wasn't even worried after the Skins pulled ahead, even less so after Thompson's big return--seriously, I wasn't even worried, just mildly annoyed. It shouldn't have come down to the feeble last second attempts as time expired.

Again, Julius only had 22 rushes, and it's not like he wasn't having success. THIS is the type of game where you run Julius 30 times--NOT virtually meaningless games against the Seahawks toward the end of a losing season--especially with San Fran coming next week.

This game was lost through missed opportunities and untimely bad play-calling. Period. The Cowboys LOST this game. Period.

The positive note, an EXTREMELY positive one at that, was the contributions from the draft picks, and, for the most part, the defense as a whole. Offensive line, too.

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

You're counting on bearing the Giants?
In all seriousness, I am. 4-2 at worst is what this team is capable of.

[dabomb2045]

What was with the two phantom "holding" calls on Flozell that nixed first downs both times, the second one being even more key.

We're not even getting into the fact that Bledsoe must have been thinking he was on a basketball court with all those bounce passes because it shouldn't have come to that.

And what was with the pass-happy offense in the 2nd half? Can we give Tuna back the play-calling duties? It's not even 2nd-guessing... Madden was 1st guessing it as it was happening. Julius had 22 rushes for 81 yards--over a 3 yards per carry average, nearly 4. So he gains 6 on 1st down, it's 2nd and 4 and you go for 3 straight pass plays? All we needed to do was get within FG range, Tyson Thompson gift-wraps great field position with a monster return, we gain 6 on 1st down, and YOU CALL THREE STRAIGHT PASS PLAYS?! It's not like it's Antowain Smith The Great or a washed up Eddie George back there--it's Julius freaking Jones with Larry Allen and Flozell Adams to run behind... and you call three straight pass plays? It's not like we even needed a TD there, PLUS there was still about 2 and a half left on the clock. I don't care how little confidence you have in your kicker--you still have enough time to play for FG range FIRST, and once you're there THEN you play for a TD. With Julius Jones and time left on the clock though, EVEN playing for a TD should NOT include 3 straight pass plays beginning on 2nd and 4. For the above reasons, I wasn't even worried after the Skins pulled ahead, even less so after Thompson's big return--seriously, I wasn't even worried, just mildly annoyed. It shouldn't have come down to the feeble last second attempts as time expired.

This game was lost through missed opportunities and untimely bad play-calling. Period. The Cowboys LOST this game. Period.

The positive note, an EXTREMELY positive one at that, was the contributions from the draft picks, and, for the most part, the defense as a whole. Offensive line, too.


Nat...while I agree with all of this...you also allowed a 35+ yard TD pass on 4th and 15....and you allowed a 70 yard TD pass, up 6 with under 3 mins left

forget about the NFL...that shouldnt be acceptable in the Pee Wee Leagues....you cant let a guy get behind you on 4th and 15, and you sure as hell cant let yourself get beat on a 70 yard bomb with 3 mins left in a game...gotta keep the receivers in front of you, and make them chip away down the field...if they are gonna get into the red zone, at least make them complete 7 or 8 passes in a row to do it, which also makes them use up the clock

even with all the bad play-calling...if you played simple and smart defense, you win the game

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

Nat...while I agree with all of this...you also allowed a 35+ yard TD pass on 4th and 15....and you allowed a 70 yard TD pass, up 6 with under 3 mins left

forget about the NFL...that shouldnt be acceptable in the Pee Wee Leagues....you cant let a guy get behind you on 4th and 15, and you sure as hell cant let yourself get beat on a 70 yard bomb with 3 mins left in a game...gotta keep the receivers in front of you, and make them chip away down the field...if they are gonna get into the red zone, at least make them complete 7 or 8 passes in a row to do it, which also makes them use up the clock

even with all the bad play-calling...if you played simple and smart defense, you win the game
Yes that's all true. However, the point of that was, that there was ABSOLUTELY no need to freak out at that point even after what the defense just allowed because, all other prior mistakes on both sides of the ball aside, the game was still 100% and extremely REALISTICALLY winnable, ESPECIALLY with a return that set them in Skins territory.

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

And, what makes all of the above the most upsetting is that Tuna talked during Training Camp about his regret at being too pass-happy and overcomplicating things last season and that he would go back to living by the run as he usually likes to do. So what is the final straw (notice that I said final straw and not "#1 ONLY REASON) in losing this game? Freaking out and getting pass-happy. If Payton's not going to stick to the type of game-calling Tuna talked about, then I don't want him calling plays, no matter how many flea-flickers we get to work.

In fact, what maybe stings most of all is losing a game in which a flea-flicker works so riotously succesfully. Heh. I would put in a winkie if I weren't so upset.

[dabomb2045]

And, what makes all of the above the most upsetting is that Tuna talked during Training Camp about his regret at being too pass-happy and overcomplicating things last season and that he would go back to living by the run as he usually likes to do. So what is the final straw (notice that I said final straw and not "#1 ONLY REASON) in losing this game? Freaking out and getting pass-happy. If Payton's not going to stick to the type of game-calling Tuna talked about, then I don't want him calling plays, no matter how many flea-flickers we get to work.

In fact, what maybe stings most of all is losing a game in which a flea-flicker works so riotously succesfully. Heh. I would put in a winkie if I weren't so upset.

I do agree that the play-calling got real weird on the last few drives (I cant comment as to most of the game...since I missed the first half due to watching the Yanks and some of the 3rd quarter)

they got jipped on the Adams holding call for sure, and that was huge....I would have also kept running the ball after the big kick return....Jones had a nice run on 1st down and I think the ball was at like 43 at that point, so realistically you only need about 15 yards to get a good chance for a FG (then again Cortez sucks...so maybe you want more)

instead you run a 10 yard sideline, which had no chance of getting completed....a 5-yard out in which Taylor flattened Crayton....then a pet peeve of mine, running a 3-yard pattern when you need FOUR yards for the first

personally I think its a BAD idea for Payton to be calling plays...he just isnt very good, he got killed here in NY when he called plays for the Giants....he's conservative at the wrong times, and he's too risky at the wrong times as well

[RIyankee]

I thought Brunell had his best game in years. The Redskins kept Julius in check, holding him to under 4.0 ypc.

BTW Jets fans, Moss or Coles? :D

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

The Redskins kept Julius in check, holding him to under 4.0 ypc.

Just barely. 3.7 per is nothing to scoff at.

[SuperMario66]

I thought Brunell had his best game in years. The Redskins kept Julius in check, holding him to under 4.0 ypc.

BTW Jets fans, Moss or Coles? :D

I thought Julius played well. It is just crazy to me because we didn't play a bad game. I was absolutely thrilled with the performance up until the last few minutes.

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

Again, Julius only had 22 rushes, and it's not like he wasn't having success. THIS is the type of game where you run Julius 30 times--NOT virtually meaningless games against the Seahawks toward the end of a losing season--especially with San Fran coming next week.

This also came up on the first drive in the 4th quarter, the drive where we settled for a field goal after driving to a first down at the Washington 17. After Larry Allen got that holding penalty to make it 1st and 20 from the 27...HELLO?! It's still first down! Complacently settling for a field goal here is not smart. WHY was that moment seen as a good time to rest Julius and rush Tyson Thompson 3 straight times for a total of 4 yards? The other Cowboys RBs might not have been having too much success, but Julius was. Seems like both an awkward time to turn to the run (as opposed to 2nd and 4 and just trying to get in FG range after the huge return) and a horrible time to replace Julius with Tyson Thompson. I can sort of understand (though don't totally agree with) why they didn't attempt any pass plays there, because I read that Parcells was confident in the defense and didn't want to risk a turnover, but if you're going to go with that reasoning and rush it 3 straight times, don't do it with Tyson Thompson. Don't know that the result of that particular drive would have been any different, but at least give yourself a chance by using your #1 RB instead of just conceding like that. If you go back, this also happened on the earlier drive when they settled for a field goal, except that time, it was Anthony Thomas who came in.

Julius showed last season he can handle 25-30 carries a game. Sure, you don't want to do that every single week, but next week they're playing SF, and one would hope having a good week against the Niners wouldn't be as taxing for him and he could rest a little then.

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

On an encouraging note, the last time the Cowboys lost to the Redskins at home, the Cowboys won the Super Bowl. Just a reminder that all is not lost! (Not that I for 1 second even CONSIDERED wavering from my 11 win prediction based on a Week 2 game that could have easily turned out differently--it's just some encouragement in case some of you are starting to doubt. :P )

GO COWBOYS.

[yankeesAZ]

they got jipped on the Adams holding call for sure, and that was huge....I would have also kept running the ball after the big kick return....Jones had a nice run on 1st down and I think the ball was at like 43 at that point, so realistically you only need about 15 yards to get a good chance for a FG (then again Cortez sucks...so maybe you want more)



I'd say the call on when Taylor nailed Crayton after he caught the ball, took two steps and fumbled, but ruled dead was potentially huge if the Skins lost. The Skins were scooping up the fumble and going in for another TD that would have made it 21-13. There was a similair play earlier in the game too. There were definitely some questionable calls on both sides.

[RIyankee]

Nat, I'm excited too, but I think it's because I'm expecting a close game. The Skins have a playoff caliber "D".

Hey Nat, I said this game was going to be close. :lol:

[YankyDave]

To any of you who were upset that ABC showed the telethon instead of the ring around the collar inductions, I say get a grip.

[Sillycon]

I'd say this game was lost because of the coaches. For instance, why must there be a set CB lineup on the prevent? Washington's most dangerous receiver is Moss. Lineup your speed CB (Newman) against him! But no, Newman is stuck in the slot against a noname TE. Just because generally teams line up their best receiver in the slot doesn't mean it'll happen all of the time. Especially after Glenn got burned on the 1st TD, they should've had rotated the positions to have Newman guard Moss no matter where he was and adjust accordingly. It was also on Roy Williams since he's supposed to be the deep safety (and bit inside for no reason) but he's never been known as a cover safety! Blitz Roy! They should've blitzed more towards the end since Brunell had a ton of time. And what's with the stupid offensive playcalling in the 2nd half? There were times when they were too conservative and then there were also times when they went too much with the pass. Reminds me of Torre's occasionally bad ingame management. Such an aggravating game. I was so happy when Bubba hit the walkoff but that high came crashing down on those two Brunell passes...

[dabomb2045]

This also came up on the first drive in the 4th quarter, the drive where we settled for a field goal after driving to a first down at the Washington 17. After Larry Allen got that holding penalty to make it 1st and 20 from the 27...HELLO?! It's still first down! Complacently settling for a field goal here is not smart. WHY was that moment seen as a good time to rest Julius and rush Tyson Thompson 3 straight times for a total of 4 yards? The other Cowboys RBs might not have been having too much success, but Julius was. Seems like both an awkward time to turn to the run (as opposed to 2nd and 4 and just trying to get in FG range after the huge return) and a horrible time to replace Julius with Tyson Thompson. I can sort of understand (though don't totally agree with) why they didn't attempt any pass plays there, because I read that Parcells was confident in the defense and didn't want to risk a turnover, but if you're going to go with that reasoning and rush it 3 straight times, don't do it with Tyson Thompson. Don't know that the result of that particular drive would have been any different, but at least give yourself a chance by using your #1 RB instead of just conceding like that. If you go back, this also happened on the earlier drive when they settled for a field goal, except that time, it was Anthony Thomas who came in.

Julius showed last season he can handle 25-30 carries a game. Sure, you don't want to do that every single week, but next week they're playing SF, and one would hope having a good week against the Niners wouldn't be as taxing for him and he could rest a little then.

as long as Sean Payton is calling the plays, this is the crap your gonna have to deal with

he just isnt good....I couldnt believe Fassel let him call the plays for as long as he did with the Giants, and when Fassel finally stripped him of the duty...the Giants offense was much better for it

[dabomb2045]

I'd say this game was lost because of the coaches. For instance, why must there be a set CB lineup on the prevent? Washington's most dangerous receiver is Moss. Lineup your speed CB (Newman) against him! But no, Newman is stuck in the slot against a noname TE. Just because generally teams line up their best receiver in the slot doesn't mean it'll happen all of the time. Especially after Glenn got burned on the 1st TD, they should've had rotated the positions to have Newman guard Moss no matter where he was and adjust accordingly. It was also on Roy Williams since he's supposed to be the deep safety (and bit inside for no reason) but he's never been known as a cover safety! Blitz Roy! They should've blitzed more towards the end since Brunell had a ton of time. And what's with the stupid offensive playcalling in the 2nd half? There were times when they were too conservative and then there were also times when they went too much with the pass. Reminds me of Torre's occasionally bad ingame management. Such an aggravating game. I was so happy when Bubba hit the walkoff but that high came crashing down on those two Brunell passes...

I completely agree that Glenn had no business being on Moss at all....and even more so after the first TD

this isnt Aaron Glenn circa 1998 here

[#1PaFan]

Bulletin Board Material: Hey Nat, did you see what Julian Peterson actually said? He "guaranteed" a Niner win this Sunday.

It pains me a great deal to say this, but I think the Tarnished Star is going to slap the Ninuhs around. It won't be as bad as the whupping the Beagles put on them last week, but the Felons will be hitting hard.

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

Bulletin Board Material: Hey Nat, did you see what Julian Peterson actually said? He "guaranteed" a Niner win this Sunday.

Yeah, I heard it. And I thought nothing of it, which is why I didn't post about it here. All it elicited from me was a huge roll of the eyes.

[#1PaFan]

Yeah, I heard it. And I thought nothing of it, which is why I didn't post about it hear. All it elicited from me was a huge roll of the eyes.

I UNDERSTAND what you're saying, Natasha.

However, consider this: Julian Peterson has never been accused of Rape! Mr. Peterson has never been accused of forcing a young woman with having sexual intercourse with a teammate while another teammate tapes the escapades! Or Vice Versa!!! Hell, sex be sex, in Cowboy Lingo!!!
Julian, even though he may very well have a very big mouth, did NOT try to traffik huge amounts of pure Columbian Cocaine or even Marijuana. THAT would be Nate's Job!!!!

[OxDiesel]

I UNDERSTAND what you're saying, Natasha.

However, consider this: Julian Peterson has never been accused of Rape! Mr. Peterson has never been accused of forcing a young woman with having sexual intercourse with a teammate while another teammate tapes the escapades! Or Vice Versa!!! Hell, sex be sex, in Cowboy Lingo!!!
Julian, even though he may very well have a very big mouth, did NOT try to traffik huge amounts of pure Columbian Cocaine or even Marijuana. THAT would be Nate's Job!!!!

I think I speak for Natalie when I say :another huge roll of the eyes:...

[#1PaFan]

I think I speak for Natalie when I say :another huge roll of the eyes:...

:lol: :gulp:

[dabomb2045]

nothing like a guy on a horrible team guaranteeing a win

Heh...loser

[OxDiesel]

nothing like a guy on a horrible team guaranteeing a win

Heh...loser

Or better yet, one that says, after losing by 5 touchdowns to de Iggles, "We'll see them again in the playoffs."
When, Julian??? 2008??? Assclown...

[#1PaFan]

Or better yet, one that says, after losing by 5 touchdowns to de Iggles, "We'll see them again in the playoffs."
When, Julian??? 2008??? Assclown...

I think that Julian is going to be in for a long, miserable day. ;)

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

:scared: What a relief.

Things that need to improve:
1. Kicking--as in, find a new, better person to do it, if possible.
2. Tackling--too many extra yards gained by unfinished tackles.
3. Penalties.

I'd list turnovers based on this game alone, but sometimes they can be helped, sometimes (as with the Glenn tipped ball on the sideline) they're incidental.

The fake punt while still very much in your own territory and with over 4 minutes left... in the THIRD quarter, was stupid, and Parcells knew that, so I doubt we see that happen in a situation like that again, so I'll refrain from making play-calling a problem for the 2nd week straight. ;)

For a positive, I like the defense forcing turnovers all over the place thus far in the season.

Anyway, good win. :)

[dabomb2045]

:scared: What a relief.

Things that need to improve:
1. Kicking--as in, find a new, better person to do it, if possible.
2. Tackling--too many extra yards gained by unfinished tackles.
3. Penalties.

I'd list turnovers based on this game alone, but sometimes they can be helped, sometimes (as with the Glenn tipped ball on the sideline) they're incidental.

The fake punt while still very much in your own territory and with over 4 minutes left... in the THIRD quarter, was stupid, and Parcells knew that, so I doubt we see that happen in a situation like that again, so I'll refrain from making play-calling a problem for the 2nd week straight. ;)

For a positive, I like the defense forcing turnovers all over the place thus far in the season.

Anyway, good win. :)


I was surprised they had as much trouble with the run as they did....I mean they handled LT and Portis....but Frank Gore?? run defense was lackluster today

all in all I thought Dallas played well...they got bit by a few big plays (much like the Skins game)

the last drive was impressive....Glenn and Keyshawn really stepped up

[2JAY]

I UNDERSTAND what you're saying, Natasha.

However, consider this: Julian Peterson has never been accused of Rape! Mr. Peterson has never been accused of forcing a young woman with having sexual intercourse with a teammate while another teammate tapes the escapades! Or Vice Versa!!! Hell, sex be sex, in Cowboy Lingo!!!
Julian, even though he may very well have a very big mouth, did NOT try to traffik huge amounts of pure Columbian Cocaine or even Marijuana. THAT would be Nate's Job!!!!
Nor has he been in a hot-tub with an underage girl who was his babysitter. Nor has he crept into his ex-girlfriends apartment and assaulted her. Nor was he addicted to prescription pain pills. Committing crimes is an NFL wide problem, not just a Cowboy one.

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

It's painful having the game end on two straight incompletes at the Oakland 5 after 2nd and 2 from the darn 3.

In others' opinions, what are the things that hurt the Cowboys today?

From what I could gather on the radio, snapping is one thing. The two bad McBriar punts that sounded like they resulted from bad snaps resulted in scores both times. I said earlier I was afraid of this when they let Robinson go for Condo. And now, Condo has been replaced, too. That stings.

What did the rest of y'all think about the play-calling? During the game from the Cowboys' announcers and now during the post-game show, I heard/am hearing a lot about not utilizing Witten. Others' impressions?

[OxDiesel]

Let's forget about how badly underthrown the ball was. Unless Sherry Glenn runs past the white line in front of the end zone, it doesn't matter much, right? I'd LOVE to hear someone explain to me why he is cutting his route off at the 1-yard line.

Also -- Drew Bledsoe, meet Jason Witten. He wears #82, and he is your Pro Bowl tight end. You remember how useful those are, right? Kinda like that Ben Coates guy you used to throw to all the time in New England? See if you can keep that in mind while da Iggles are blitzing the crap out of you next week.


Countdown to 1000 --- 997

[dabomb2045]

It's painful having the game end on two straight incompletes at the Oakland 5 after 2nd and 2 from the darn 3.

In others' opinions, what are the things that hurt the Cowboys today?

From what I could gather on the radio, snapping is one thing. The two bad McBriar punts that sounded like they resulted from bad snaps resulted in scores both times. I said earlier I was afraid of this when they let Robinson go for Condo. And now, Condo has been replaced, too. That stings.

What did the rest of y'all think about the play-calling? During the game from the Cowboys' announcers and now during the post-game show, I heard/am hearing a lot about not utilizing Witten. Others' impressions?

the play-calling stunk the entire game, and did so on the last drive after they were setup at 1st and goal

I cant say it enough....Sean Payton is a HORRIFIC play-caller

[2JAY]

I cant say it enough....Sean Payton is a HORRIFIC play-caller
I couldn't agree more. Why he went to that fade pattern on 3rd down I'll never know. That being said, the Dallas defense really needs to stop giving up the big pass play. It seems like it is going to be at least a 2-3 play deal now as all a team has to do is go long against the secondary and Dallas can't do a thing to stop it.

[Casey37]

Dallas leading 27-3 late in the 3rd quarter.

Time for me to start celebratin'. :gulp:

[Kulish29]

Good game Cowboys. Way to kick the hell out of the Egals.

Better get ready for the Giants next week. ;)

[Sillycon]

Some comments on the game...

Wow, who woulda thought that the Cowboys' offense would smoke Philly's D like that? The offensive line played its best game of the year. They protected Bledsoe so well, I don't remember any point where Drew was hit. They also opened some running lanes for Jones/Thompson. The secondary also played extremely well which led to some pressure on McNabb and gave a chance for the D-line to go after Donovan. Even the blitzes worked well as it made McNabb rush his throws...

Julius Jones still looks gimpy at times. In fact, he looks relatively slow from last year. I think he's bulked up too much and robbed him of his shiftiness. He did have a nice run but he had very good blocking that sprung him. Thompson actually ran well today... I initially looked at Tyson Thompson as a Troy Hambrick clone. IE, one who has decent speed but if a defender laid a finger on him, he'd drop like a rock. However, he looked very good today as he actually tried to fight through tackles.

Drew Bledsoe looked impressive. He was given tons of protection so he'd better look fantastic. Terry Glenn was fantastic throughout the game although he did have one drop that would've meant a 3rd td for him...

Even the maligned Jose Cortez was solid on his made field goals.

This game reminded me of the 90's Cowboys. Superb offensive line play with solid defense.

(Not a bad early birthday gift for me with wins by the Yankees and the Cowboys! :) )

[#1PaFan]

WOW! Nice whupping, Dallas. :gulp:

[SuperMario66]

Good game Cowboys. Way to kick the hell out of the Egals.

Better get ready for the Giants next week. ;)

If we lose that game I will sh*t a frisbee.

[JDPNYY]

What time does the Eagles plane land in Dallas for yesterdays game?

[Sillycon]

If we lose that game I will sh*t a frisbee.

The way they played against the Redskins and the Raiders, I wouldn't be surprised if you're bowlegged after the game. This year's version of the Cowboys can look great at times but has also shown they can be very bad too... Who knows what we'll get next week...

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

The way they played against the Redskins and the Raiders, I wouldn't be surprised if you're bowlegged after the game. This year's version of the Cowboys can look great at times but has also shown they can be very bad too... Who knows what we'll get next week...
Fundamentally, they're a darn good team. When it comes down to it, really they are. Sometimes, various players make mistakes, other times, the playcalling is atrocious. For as close as they were to having a few extra losses, you have to realize they were equally as close to being 5-0 right now. Yeah, a lot of teams have lost close games, but not all of those teams are as talented on both sides of the ball as this team is. I LOVE seeing the draft picks already being solid contributors every week.

Have faith, yo. :)

[Casey37]

Cowboys win. Whew. I must have lost about 8 pounds watching that game.

Outstanding game, guys. :)

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

Cowboys win. Whew. I must have lost about 8 pounds watching that game.

Outstanding game, guys. :)
Outstanding game, I don't know about that. But outstanding win? Definitely!!! :gulp: :gulp: :gulp:

[Casey37]

Outstanding game, I don't know about that. But outstanding win? Definitely!!! :gulp: :gulp: :gulp:

Agreed, it wasn't pretty. Still, they played their hearts out, and managed to come out on top.

Here's to Da Pokes. :gulp:

[texasyankee]

It was a great victory - not at all a great game.
The Boyz racked up a lot of yardage, yet only scored 16 points. Turnovers cost us.

Got to hand it to our defense for limiting the giants to only 2 field goals until the very last minute.

Boyz in first place!

[Soriambi]

I figured that Drew Bledsoe still had some gas left in the tank, but I didn't know he had this much left. He's looking like an All-Pro. (At least based on his numbers.)

[texasyankee]

We need to get a better running attack going......when might Jones come back?

[texasyankee]

I dont know how we match up against the Seahawks - whom we play next Sunday - but just the fact that it's a road game makes it that much tougher......

[texasyankee]

Did anyone notice during the 2nd half that Bledsoe threw a pass out-of-bounds & hit our cheerleader in her tush?

I couldnt believe my eyes & Fox Sports didnt even replay it......

[dabomb2045]

extremely ugly game...but a win for Dallas is all that matters

Bledsoe hasnt played at this high of a level in YEARS.....great game for Ware also

[OxDiesel]

Did anyone notice during the 2nd half that Bledsoe threw a pass out-of-bounds & hit our cheerleader in her tush?

I couldnt believe my eyes & Fox Sports didnt even replay it......


YES -- all my boys were together today, and we all noticed it.
And we kept waiting for Stock & Aik to say something or show it again.
The coverage of Fux Sports gets worse and worse every week.

[texasyankee]

YES -- all my boys were together today, and we all noticed it.
And we kept waiting for Stock & Aik to say something or show it again.


Thanks for replying.....I'm glad someone verified what I thought I saw.

If Madden was doing the game, you can bet he woulda said something - and probably replayed the incident.....the cheerleader turned around & had a big grin....maybe Drew was trying to send a message? lol.....
Aikman is so dry & matter of fact - he really needs to let it all hang out sometime.

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

Thanks for replying.....I'm glad someone verified what I thought I saw.

If Madden was doing the game, you can bet he woulda said something - and probably replayed the incident.....the cheerleader turned around & had a big grin....maybe Drew was trying to send a message? lol.....
Aikman is so dry & matter of fact - he really needs to let it all hang out sometime.
Every once in awhile he lets loose. I really enjoy those times. I think overall, he does a really good job.

I also saw the cheerleader get hit and wasn't sure if she was hit where I thought she was.

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

I dont know how we match up against the Seahawks - whom we play next Sunday - but just the fact that it's a road game makes it that much tougher......
I think the main thing we need to worry about is Shaun Alexander. With the exception of the illustrious Frank Gore, we've managed to contain some pretty good RBs so far this season.

[dabomb2045]

I think the main thing we need to worry about is Shaun Alexander. With the exception of the illustrious Frank Gore, we've managed to contain some pretty good RBs so far this season.


Seattle is overrated...always has been, always will be....Dallas should win

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

I kinda got the feeling just from watching today that we could have really put them away were it not for all the mistakes, but looking at the game stats pretty much confirms it. Have you seen the total offense and time of possession split? :scared:

http://sports-att.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=251016006

This is a d*mn good offense when they don't make mistakes, and fortunately, the defense is good enough to make up for it when they do.

[Sillycon]

man, the injuries are going to hurt... Flozell Adams is out for the year with a torn ACL... We're really thin in that line and losing him would make Drew's blindside more vulnerable. Bledsoe has been effective because of the protection he's been receiving. The loss of Adams could change that...

Losing Crayton is also a blow as well since he's a reliable receiver with great hands. Peerless Price finally gets to play but he's a different sort of receiver than Crayton. We already have Glenn stretching out the field. We need someone (other than Witten) who can traverse the middle and make the tough catches...

[texasyankee]

Again, I dont know anything about Seattle except their won/lost record.

However, tomorrow's game against them is gonna be extra tough now with our injuries. I hate to repeat that old mantra, but we are gonna have to execute a near-perfect game to win....no mistakes.

[Tal Hawkins]

Again, I dont know anything about Seattle except their won/lost record.

However, tomorrow's game against them is gonna be extra tough now with our injuries. I hate to repeat that old mantra, but we are gonna have to execute a near-perfect game to win....no mistakes.
You're right...no mistakes. As long as the D shows up and if Bledsoe can continue to play well I think the Cowboys win. I'm curious to see how Peerless Price steps in and fills Crayton's spot. I read somewhere that he prefers to play out of the slot...if that's what he was doing in Buffalo then I think Parcells shoud throw in a few more plays for Price.

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

Well, the D showed up... until the end there. This was like the 'Skins game Part II except worse because of the role played by the turnovers.

Just like last week, controlled time of possession, but did nothing with it. Too many penalties, turnovers, and the missed FG was one too many. I didn't feel comfortable with coming away with only a FG after Roy's pick. Alas.

Darn it.

[dabomb2045]

Well, the D showed up... until the end there. This was like the 'Skins game Part II except worse because of the role played by the turnovers.

Just like last week, controlled time of possession, but did nothing with it. Too many penalties, turnovers, and the missed FG was one too many. I didn't feel comfortable with coming away with only a FG after Roy's pick. Alas.

Darn it.

I'd like to know where the hell Bledsoe was trying to throw that ball

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

I'd like to know where the hell Bledsoe was trying to throw that ball
True, but they're a missed 29-yard FG away from us not even having this discussion, all other negative things about this game aside. WHO (among the people who get paid to do this, anyway) misses from 29 yards?!?!?!?!?!?!

[dabomb2045]

True, but they're a missed 29-yard FG away from us not even having this discussion, all other negative things about this game aside. WHO (among the people who get paid to do this, anyway) misses from 29 yards?!?!?!?!?!?!


Cortez is horrible....Parcells needs to cut his ass and find a real kicker

sucks that they lose a game in which they pretty much contain Alexander

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

Cortez is horrible....Parcells needs to cut his ass and find a real kicker

sucks that they lose a game in which they pretty much contain Alexander
I don't think they're past the time limit after which they can sign Cundiff again, but heck, go get Tim Seder! He can't make anything over 40, but he won't miss from 29! :mad:

(Plus, he runs that fake FG for a touchdown like no one else. :D :( )

[dabomb2045]

I don't think they're past the time limit after which they can sign Cundiff again, but heck, go get Tim Seder! He can't make anything over 40, but he won't miss from 29! :mad:

(Plus, he runs that fake FG for a touchdown like no one else. :D :( )


I'd rather pick a fan out of the crowd at random then see Cortez on this team anymore....even they wont miss from 29

just a bad loss...I'm still upset at Bledsoe too, just a horrific decision to try to force that ball in there

[FreeYayo]

It's about time the real Bledsoe showed up.

Actually just kidding (kinda)

[Sillycon]

Predictably, the passing game will only go as far as the OL will allow it to with their pass protection. Surprisingly, the problem wasn't with Flozell Adams's LT replacement, Tucker. It was on Rivera (again...big free agent bust?) and the rookie RT, Rob Petiti. Torrin Tucker actually did an okay job.

I was willing to give Cortez a pass since I thought people were too hard on him and he had been fairly solid recently. However, his miss on the 29 yarder AND his subsequent blaming of the holder, Romo (when replays showed that Romo got the ball down and laces away) warrants a big F-YOU... I hope they cut your ass and you're back to painting houses again...

Another big play was Bledsoe throwing that INT.. WTF is he thinking?! There were defenders all over the place there! Just throw it away or chuck it downfield or even kneel (though that would be a Parcells decision)!

While I thought Adams would be a bigger loss than Crayton, it just seemed to be the reverse in today's game. Since Bledsoe wasn't getting the protection, he could've had some help with Crayton's sure hands with the intermediate middle of the field passes... Their 3rd down efficiency really sucked against the Seahawks.

..and then there was the playcalling again. Enough with the playcalling which allows them to not lose as opposed to the type of playcalling that PLAYS TO WIN. Be aggressive! Stop trying to rely on the defense. Yes, the defense has been good... BUT IT ISN'T GREAT! You're just setting up the defense to lose! For whatever reason, the defensive line just can't get a push in late game situations. As a result, the opposing QB has a ton of time to wait for the Dallas secondary to eventually break down and allow a receiver to get loose. Even when they try to counteract that by blitzing, that only leaves a bunch of holes which a quick slant can quickly exploit.

Disappointing game to say the least. The Cowboys have talent but at this point, they're just an okay team not a great team....

[OxDiesel]

I don't think they're past the time limit after which they can sign Cundiff again, but heck, go get Tim Seder! He can't make anything over 40, but he won't miss from 29! :mad:

(Plus, he runs that fake FG for a touchdown like no one else. :D :( )

I would even take Lin Elliott over this piece of crap. What makes the whole thing even more beautiful is this jerk actually has the balls to pull a Ray Finkel and blame Romo's hold.

If there is a god in heaven, Cortez will be on the curb with today's garbage, and there will be a single-bar helmet waiting in a locker for Gary Anderson. Or Morten Andersen. Or Anderson Cooper for all I care. Just as long as Jose Cortez never wears The Star again for as long as he lives.

[dabomb2045]

I would even take Lin Elliott over this piece of crap. What makes the whole thing even more beautiful is this jerk actually has the balls to pull a Ray Finkel and blame Romo's hold.

If there is a god in heaven, Cortez will be on the curb with today's garbage, and there will be a single-bar helmet waiting in a locker for Gary Anderson. Or Morten Andersen. Or Anderson Cooper for all I care. Just as long as Jose Cortez never wears The Star again for as long as he lives.

it really surprises me that Parcells has put up with Cortez this long

[Tal Hawkins]

I was willing to give Cortez a pass since I thought people were too hard on him and he had been fairly solid recently. However, his miss on the 29 yarder AND his subsequent blaming of the holder, Romo (when replays showed that Romo got the ball down and laces away) warrants a big F-YOU... I hope they cut your ass and you're back to painting houses again...
That glare Cortez shot at Romo after the miss was a joke...Romo was able to grab the bad snap and get the ball in position perfectly. Aside from the Philly game, Cortez has been terrible...he redefines the term 'suck'.

The defense played more than adequate to get the W...If I was on the D I'd be pissed as hell...2 turnovers recovered inside the Seattle 15 and the offense walks away with 3 points.

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

Nice game so far by Marion "Worst. Pick. Ever." Barber, III, no? :P

[SuperMario66]

Marion Barber played a helluva game today. I gotta agree that this RB by committee seems to be coming to an end. I just have to keep reminding myself that 5-3 is good even thought we should be 7-1. Damn fourth quarter.

[dabomb2045]

the best part of this game....was knowing Cortez wasnt around anymore

[Clive]

the best part of this game....was knowing Cortez wasnt around anymore:lol:

Maybe some of his XFL buddies can find him a job when David Akers comes back. :D

[Tal Hawkins]

Nice game so far by Marion "Worst. Pick. Ever." Barber, III, no? :P
Marion Barber played a helluva game today. I gotta agree that this RB by committee seems to be coming to an end. I just have to keep reminding myself that 5-3 is good even thought we should be 7-1. Damn fourth quarter.
I was lucky enough to score free tickets to the game yesterday, so we got to watch Barber up close...he is GOOD. A buddy of mine asked me during the game 'think Julius is getting scared about losing his job?" To be fair, one game doesn't make Barber the next great Cowboys running back...but from what I saw, he's a better option than Jones.

7-1 would be so nice right now.

the best part of this game....was knowing Cortez wasnt around anymore
Amen to that.

[OxDiesel]

Things may be better this season, Natalie, but this draft really wasn't a good start. Maybe what JJ & Tuna thought was so funny is the way everyone is fawning all over their work this weekend. I was NOT laughing. I'm sick of hearing about the great job they did when I can show you THREE different times they screwed up:
1. Taking Ware instead of Merriman. I know Ware has the speed, but I'm not sold on the strength. He's to skinny to take on guys like Pace, Ogden or even Alex Barron. I wanted somebody that was quick AND could shed blocks. Merriman was a proven talent against better competition.
2. Taking Burnett in the 2nd Round. I know a good pass rush makes your coverage better, but nothing could have helped that secondary last year; they were absolutely atrocious. Taking Corey Webster or Justin Miller, who also could have been a nice addition on returns, would have been the smarter choice to pair with Newman. Both CBs were taken within the following 15 picks.
3. Taking Barber in the 4th. Worst. Pick. Of Our Draft. Well, at least with Jerome Mathis and Craphonso Thorpe still on the board. Speed WR is a much bigger hole than change-of-pace RB. If they feel Julius Jones can't handle being an every-down back, they never should have passed on Steven Jackson and taken him. Meanwhile, both WRs were gone within 7 picks after MB3.

Taking Chris Canty (DE) and Justin Beriault (S) in the 4th and 6th Rounds were the only smart picks they made. I'm not counting Marcus Spears, because that was a no-brainer -- my unborn daughter could have made that pick. Those three guys are the only things that saved this draft.

OVERALL GRADE: B/B- (and only because they did fill some needs and holes, just not as well as they could have)

Nice game so far by Marion "Worst. Pick. Ever." Barber, III, no? :P


:EATING CROW & PULLING FOOT OUT OF MY MOUTH: :o

How did I know this was going to come back to haunt me??? :lol:
And I didn't say "Ever", Nat -- I said "Of Our Draft". Big difference. If you're going to quote me, do it right. ;)

And as far as my astute analysis goes, Everything I said still makes me slightly better than Joe Theesman or Tim McCornball. I said it about D-Ware during the preseason, and I'll say it again now about MB3 -- I'm VERY happy about being very wrong.

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

How did I know this was going to come back to haunt me??? :lol:
And I didn't say "Ever", Nat -- I said "Of Our Draft". Big difference. If you're going to quote me, do it right. ;)

:lol: Sorry, but I did it literally off the top of my head. :P

[dabomb2045]

lets not get too carried away with Barber...its one game....Jones is the better RB

[Tal Hawkins]

lets not get too carried away with Barber...its one game....Jones is the better RB
Only if he can stay healthy is Jones the better running back...and he hasn't been able to do that this year or last. At the least, when Jones returns, Dallas will have 2 very good running backs.

I'm not saying Jones needs to lose the starting spot...but Barber needs to get more carries.

[OxDiesel]

lets not get too carried away with Barber...its one game....Jones is the better RB

I don't think we're getting cariied away about anything. The only thing MB3 has done so far is prove my comment about him being a wasted draft pick wrong, that's all. He's got a LONG way to go before he's in Emmitt's, Dorsett's, or even Herschel Walker's class.

[texasyankee]

My Boyz sweeep dem iggles.....way to go Roy Williams.......BOYZ IN FIRST!

[Sillycon]

TERRIBLE game by the Cowboys tonight. They were lucky the Iggles handed the game to them...

Offense was terrible. Specifically the offensive line who couldn't open up any running lanes or give Drew some pass protection which gave way to that AWFUL AWFUL BONEHEADED INT by Drew. The playcalling by the coaches also sucked. While the running game wasn't there, the pass protection WAS decent up til the midway point of the 2nd quarter. They could've stretched out the field during that period and use the pass to hopefully open up the running game. However, they just tried to establish the running game instead and when the pass protection finally faltered from midway through the 2nd quarter and onward, it reduced the numbers of options they could've pursued on that side of the ball and frankly, I didn't see any chance of them putting together good drives.

As for the defensive side, the Iggles o-line gave McNabb a TON of time. There was NO pressure from the Cowboys. McNabb also looked very mobile which served to make it even more tougher for the 'boys defense. The Dallas LB'ers look real slow this game. Surprisingly, the Iggles mountain errrr.. center who replaced Hank Fraley played VERY well and they kept getting a huge push up the middle. Fraley better watch out or this could turn into a Wally Pip/Lou Gehrig scenario. A 380lb center makes the middle very safe for the Iggles. Despite the Iggles o-line dominating, the Dallas defense, while they bent, didn't break. Only that Bledsoe MEATHEAD of a throw caused the 14-7 deficit at the time.

So what happened?

Dallas finally opens up the offense and at the same time, the Iggles played the prevent (as in prevents wins) which leads to the 2nd td. Then Jerry Jones pays off the Iggles offensive coordinator who proceeds to call a pass play instead of using their effective running game which worked all game. Roy Williams scores the 3rd td on that awful McNabb throw. (McNabb fakes being hurt as he lies there trying to draw attention away from that terrible throw. While I don't doubt that he has an injury, I *DO* doubt how much the injury is affecting him though.)

Dallas has the lead... YET, the Iggles still have a chance. #35 Reeves of the Cowboys plays like a blind man as he doesn't know where the ball is but he is DAMN lucky Reggie Brown drops the ball. #35 strikes again when he could've picked off a pass but doesn't catch it. After ALL that, it ends up as a 61 yard fg attempt for the Iggles to win the game as us Cowboys fans down our heart medication by the bottle. After all, opposing fg kickers just DON'T miss against the Cowboys. BEFORE this season, opposing kickers have only missed FOUR field goals in the past TWO seasons (JUST TWO PER SEASON!!!) AND so far, have been PERFECT this season.

phew, Akers misses it and we all sit there in stunned happiness...

TERRIBLE TERRIBLE showing by the Cowboys.... and they still win? I guess that's sorta payback for the games they gave away to the Redskins and the Seahawks...

Excuse me while I take a valium and get some sleep...

[OxDiesel]

DEFINITELY makes up for that ridiculous finish against the Redskins.....
I just wish I had actually seen it. I can't believe I actually fell asleep at 20-7. :-po'd-:

Sure it was ugly, but a win is a win -- except when it's a win that puts you in FIRST PLACE.

[#1PaFan]

Hi! This is Troy. I was going to join the Playmaker up in the Owners's Suite, but, on the way there, I separated both shoulders, tore the MCL in my right knee, sprained the ACL in my left knee, ruptured a disc in my back, and hell, my Period just started....

[SuperMario66]

Hi! This is Troy. I was going to join the Playmaker up in the Owners's Suite, but, on the way there, I separated both shoulders, tore the MCL in my right knee, sprained the ACL in my left knee, ruptured a disc in my back, and hell, my Period just started....

He was my first crush.

[texasyankee]

Way to go, Boyz! Boyz beat dem Lions, 20-7 to remain in first place.

No touchdown passes, but Dallas was able to combine ball control by running the ball and letting those Lions implode thru a multitude of defensive penalties. Julius Jones & Marion Barber ran the ball well......our defense played good.

Now, for the turkey game with those Broncos......

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

Now we know they can hang with the best. An EASY FG away from an outright win, and the vaunted Denver running game was stuffed until the end. Like Parcells said, I'm disappointed with the outcome, but I'm not disappointed with the effort.

[#1PaFan]

Now we know they can hang with the best. An EASY FG away from an outright win, and the vaunted Denver running game was stuffed until the end. Like Parcells said, I'm disappointed with the outcome, but I'm not disappointed with the effort.

Yep! In a Home Game. On Thanksgiving. With, uh, some rather favorable calls. :D :gulp:

[RIyankee]

Now we know they can hang with the best. An EASY FG away from an outright win, and the vaunted Denver running game was stuffed until the end. Like Parcells said, I'm disappointed with the outcome, but I'm not disappointed with the effort.
I said this game would be on Bledsoe's shoulders and his 2 INTs killed his team.

Denver also made two turnovers, but Dallas couldn't run on Denver's 2nd ranked rushing defense. Denver is now an impressive 5-1 against quailty teams. Dallas is 2-2.

To put it most simply, the AFC is better than the NFC.

[dabomb2045]

only if stupid Cundiff didnt miss that FG....that miss was even worse then any of Feely's misses tonight