The official Jets analysis thread

[CJM]

I truly can appreciate how frustrating it is being a Jets fan, because for many years rooting for the Pats was even worse. I used to hate the Jets, mostly because of the whole Parcells thing, but reading you guys over the last year, if the Pats can't win it, I hope the Jets do. I never thought I'd say that, but you guys have won me over.
I wanted to respond to your comment about catching lucky breaks.
I don't think the Pats catch all these lucky breaks, I think the guys running the show are the best at what they do in the entire league. They always seem to find the right player, out of nowhere to the average fan, but these guys seem to know who is under every rock.
Don't be too upset about not getting Law if you don't, his best days really are behind him.
The Jets look like they are going to have a great season, and it should be fun watching them and the Pats fight it out this year.

HUGE Jet fan here. I feel the same way about the Pats. Used to hate the Pats, jealous of all the success, but I respect them for what they've done and the way they've carried themselves. I look forward to fighting it out with you guys. If only the HC of the NYJ hadn't resigned...ah what could have been.

[dabomb2045]

I truly can appreciate how frustrating it is being a Jets fan, because for many years rooting for the Pats was even worse. I used to hate the Jets, mostly because of the whole Parcells thing, but reading you guys over the last year, if the Pats can't win it, I hope the Jets do. I never thought I'd say that, but you guys have won me over.
I wanted to respond to your comment about catching lucky breaks.
I don't think the Pats catch all these lucky breaks, I think the guys running the show are the best at what they do in the entire league. They always seem to find the right player, out of nowhere to the average fan, but these guys seem to know who is under every rock.
Don't be too upset about not getting Law if you don't, his best days really are behind him.
The Jets look like they are going to have a great season, and it should be fun watching them and the Pats fight it out this year.


Im not sure if the Pats expected Samuel and Gay to be THAT GOOD, but if they did then Pioli and Belichick are "football gods" and we can just leave it at that

my point was is that the Jets just never get the guys they need to be a Super Bowl contending team....and it seems every time they have a shot at getting a guy they really need, they blow it....perhaps Law may not be the player he was a few years back, but even if he comes back at 75% of what he used to be...that will still be ALOT better then anything the Jets have at the CB position

Im sorry, but there is no way we can beat a team like the Pats or contend for a SB with starting CBs like Barrett and Hunter

[Pepper03]

HUGE Jet fan here. I feel the same way about the Pats. Used to hate the Pats, jealous of all the success, but I respect them for what they've done and the way they've carried themselves. I look forward to fighting it out with you guys. If only the HC of the NYJ hadn't resigned...ah what could have been.

I think about that sometimes-what if BB had stayed with the Jets? Would they be enjoying the same success that has graced the Patriots, or was it a perfect series of events that brought him and Pioli.

What do you Jets fans think?

[dabomb2045]

I think about that sometimes-what if BB had stayed with the Jets? Would they be enjoying the same success that has graced the Patriots, or was it a perfect series of events that brought him and Pioli.

What do you Jets fans think?


im sure it wouldnt have worked out for Belichick with the Jets...nothing EVER works out well for the Jets ;)

[PlsDontTearDownY.S.]

my point was is that the Jets just never get the guys they need to be a Super Bowl contending team....and it seems every time they have a shot at getting a guy they really need, they blow it....perhaps Law may not be the player he was a few years back, but even if he comes back at 75% of what he used to be...that will still be ALOT better then anything the Jets have at the CB position

Im sorry, but there is no way we can beat a team like the Pats or contend for a SB with starting CBs like Barrett and Hunter


Derrick Strait can play.

[dabomb2045]

Derrick Strait can play.


I dont think he is ready to be a starter yet...he only played about 6 games last year

[PlsDontTearDownY.S.]

I dont think he is ready to be a starter yet...he only played about 6 games last year


He did a good job in those games, and played well in the playoffs. He definitely deserves a chance to prove he can start in training camp.

[RIyankee]

Bad news concerning Pennington (http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm)

[JeffWeaverFan]

Bad news concerning Pennington (http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm)
Well, that definitely isn't good news, but we shall see. All other reports have been optimistic about Pennington. That article was not only very negative on Pennington, but also the Jets. It seems like we never get any respect. The fact is the Jets are better this year and will improve. Also, Jay Fielder is a pretty good backup QB.

[JeffWeaverFan]

Thinking about our team, I think we can win with our CB's, even if we don't get Law (who might not even be very good anymore). They key will be if our DL puts pressure on the QB so that our CB's are not exposed. As long as we've got Ellis and Abraham on the ends, we are going to be putting a tremendous amount of pressure on these QB's. Lets also not forget that we got a pretty good CB in the 2nd round this year in Justin Miller. As long as someone from the Hunter, Miller, and Straight group emerge to be a legit #2 CB, I think we'll be fine. Our defense as a whole is still damn good.

The offense should also be better now that we have Heimendinger as our OC. The running game will be hurt with the losses of McKenzie and Becht, but the passing game should greatly improve with Dinger, Coles, Jolley, and hopefully Pennington for the whole season. I mean, this can truly be a really good offense.

Either way, I think all in all, this is a very good football team and we will compete. PLUS, we have a kicker that will actually make big field goals! I'm still very excited about having Mike Nugent on this team.

[dabomb2045]

Thinking about our team, I think we can win with our CB's, even if we don't get Law (who might not even be very good anymore). They key will be if our DL puts pressure on the QB so that our CB's are not exposed. As long as we've got Ellis and Abraham on the ends, we are going to be putting a tremendous amount of pressure on these QB's. Lets also not forget that we got a pretty good CB in the 2nd round this year in Justin Miller. As long as someone from the Hunter, Miller, and Straight group emerge to be a legit #2 CB, I think we'll be fine. Our defense as a whole is still damn good.

The offense should also be better now that we have Heimendinger as our OC. The running game will be hurt with the losses of McKenzie and Becht, but the passing game should greatly improve with Dinger, Coles, Jolley, and hopefully Pennington for the whole season. I mean, this can truly be a really good offense.

Either way, I think all in all, this is a very good football team and we will compete. PLUS, we have a kicker that will actually make big field goals! I'm still very excited about having Mike Nugent on this team.


I dont think Im nearly as optimistic as you:

1) Pennington's status worries me...the Jets have been known in the past to not give the most truthful information regarding a players injury status. If Pennington is indeed limited in camp, I think this will negatively affect the offense. From what I hear, Heimerdinger's offensive system is very complex and very hard to learn...the playbook is alot thicker then Hackett's and the offense itself is just complex. Will Chad be ready by opening day?? Even if he is, how much of the offense will he have down-pat?? we cant afford to have Chad "learn" the offense in the first 3 or 4 games of the season....we need to ready to go on Week 1

2) John Abraham's status...the truth is with him, our defense is MILES AND MILES better then it is without him....as far as I know, he doesnt plan on reporting to camp and it doesnt sound like the Jets are willing to talk an extension....at the very least I see Abraham sitting out all camp, and perhaps the beginning of the season...even when he does play eventually how "motivated" will he really be?? we need this guy to be in the lineup in at least 13-14 games (taking away a couple for his inevitable injury) and getting 16-17 sacks and pressuring the QB....without him there, Ellis gets double-teamed which takes away his effectiveness, and leaves us with no other pass-rushers

3) Im just sick and tired of never having a CB who we can just put on the best opposing WR, and we can feel confident that for the most part that WR will be quiet....I still want Law, because even a Law at 75% is still much better then any CB we have now....Im tired of watching our CB's play 10 yards off WR's, yet get beat in front AND behind them on longer passes...the good teams (Patriots) have exposed our CB's for the last few years now...Barrett is good in run support, average at best in coverage....while I loved the Miller pick, I think he will more of a ST and punt returner for us and not a big factor on defense until next year probably....I dont know enough about Pete Hunter to say what he is and isnt, but I do know that Parcells was planning to move him to safety this season before the Cowboys released him....Strait is also a nice player, but has played about 6 games in the NFL so far, and is prob more of a nickel back (like Mickens) at this point in his career

4) You have to figure Martin will not have the type of year he had last year...Im sure he will still have a very good year, but at his age I cant imagine him replicating last season....this team will miss Jordan's bruising running style...not so sure about Blaylock, he is much more of a finesse runner

I think ALOT of things have to fall into place for this team to win 10 games again

[dabomb2045]

good news concerning Ty Law...

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/story/331673p-283430c.html

It's believed the Jets, without a clear-cut starter at left cornerback, will invite Law to Hofstra for a look-see before engaging in serious negotiations.

While tossing the obligatory compliments to the Lions, Law also told the Detroit media, "I'll work out for New York and I'm actually very interested in New York as well."

When asked if there was a possibility he'd be playing for the Jets, Law said, "Very much so."

[PlsDontTearDownY.S.]

John Abraham will report to camp as long as the Jets don't trade him during the season and don't put the franchise tag on him at the end of the year.

I don't have time to find a link but this is what I heard on a 1050espn update...will the Jets meet those demands? I wish we would have got rid of him in the offseason but on the other hand, it could be good to have John Abraham playing for a long term deal since he knows he wont get franchised after the year.

Who am I kidding, he probably wont make it past week 6. Then it will be 8 weeks of rehab and cheerleading.

[dabomb2045]

John Abraham will report to camp as long as the Jets don't trade him during the season and don't put the franchise tag on him at the end of the year.

I don't have time to find a link but this is what I heard on a 1050espn update...will the Jets meet those demands? I wish we would have got rid of him in the offseason but on the other hand, it could be good to have John Abraham playing for a long term deal since he knows he wont get franchised after the year.

Who am I kidding, he probably wont make it past week 6. Then it will be 8 weeks of rehab and cheerleading.


the way I see it....if we are to have the kind of year we all want to have (Super Bowl)....we need Abraham here, we need him healthy for at least 14 games, and we need him to have a Pro Bowl type year with 15 sacks or so

when Abraham is playing at the level he is capable of, this defense has the potential to be VERY GOOD...without him, this defense is average

[JeffWeaverFan]

http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/jets/ny-spjets-0731,0,3302258.story?coll=ny-sports-headlines

More good news on Law.


The Jets have begun negotiations with the agents for cornerback Ty Law, who has relayed to the team that he prefers to play in New York for coach Herman Edwards, two people familiar with the talks said yesterday...

Though Law hasn't spoken personally with Edwards since early in free agency, the four-time Pro Bowl cornerback has continued to relay his preference to sign with the Jets through various channels. Jets running back Curtis Martin spoke with Law recently but declined to disclose the nature of those conversations...

"I'm not afraid to say we'd like to be No. 1," defensive coordinator Donnie Henderson said. "That's what we're striving for."

I think we are going to get him. We aren't f*cking around this year - we are going for the gold. Ty Law will be in the green and white next year. There is no doubt about that in my mind.

[dabomb2045]

http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/jets/ny-spjets-0731,0,3302258.story?coll=ny-sports-headlines

More good news on Law.


The Jets have begun negotiations with the agents for cornerback Ty Law, who has relayed to the team that he prefers to play in New York for coach Herman Edwards, two people familiar with the talks said yesterday...

Though Law hasn't spoken personally with Edwards since early in free agency, the four-time Pro Bowl cornerback has continued to relay his preference to sign with the Jets through various channels. Jets running back Curtis Martin spoke with Law recently but declined to disclose the nature of those conversations...

"I'm not afraid to say we'd like to be No. 1," defensive coordinator Donnie Henderson said. "That's what we're striving for."

I think we are going to get him. We aren't f*cking around this year - we are going for the gold. Ty Law will be in the green and white next year. There is no doubt about that in my mind.


if we get Law and he is at least 75% of what he was with the Pats...this is a GREAT move

all we need is for Abraham to sign and have a Pro Bowl year...and for Chad's shoulder to be good

if this happens....we can have a great year

[Boogiedown Bomber]

if we get Law and he is at least 75% of what he was with the Pats...this is a GREAT move

all we need is for Abraham to sign and have a Pro Bowl year...and for Chad's shoulder to be good

if this happens....we can have a great year

Yes...if both Coles and Chrebet have good years, I think the Gang Green could go farther in the playoffs than 2 missed FGs.

[JeffWeaverFan]

Yes...if both Coles and Chrebet have good years, I think the Gang Green could go farther in the playoffs than 2 missed FGs.
Coles needs to have a big year much more than Chrebet. Coles is our #1, and with him and JMac, that should be quite a duo. Chrebet has said some things that make me very optimistic, but even if he doesn't return to form as a great #3, I have no problem with Jerricho Cotchery getting that spot. I like him. I think the two biggest if's on offense are Pennington's shoulder and how well Adrian Jones does as the RT. Replacing McKenzie will not be easy so hopefully Jones can get the job done. If those two things happen, then I like our offense a lot.

If the Jets have both Law and Abraham - which I believe we will, especially John Abraham, then our defense should be damn good. I also have a lot of confidence in the defensive coach - Donnie Henderson. I love that guy.

[RIyankee]

Pennington 85% healthy (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/story/332814p-284403c.html)

[dabomb2045]

Coles needs to have a big year much more than Chrebet. Coles is our #1, and with him and JMac, that should be quite a duo. Chrebet has said some things that make me very optimistic, but even if he doesn't return to form as a great #3, I have no problem with Jerricho Cotchery getting that spot. I like him. I think the two biggest if's on offense are Pennington's shoulder and how well Adrian Jones does as the RT. Replacing McKenzie will not be easy so hopefully Jones can get the job done. If those two things happen, then I like our offense a lot.

If the Jets have both Law and Abraham - which I believe we will, especially John Abraham, then our defense should be damn good. I also have a lot of confidence in the defensive coach - Donnie Henderson. I love that guy.

I would have liked to add a #3 receiver in the offseason as I dont think Cotchery is a good #3 and who knows about Chrebet....but lets hope Jolley ends up being a threat from the TE position, as that would make life much easier for the wideouts

Abraham is the biggest worry because without him this defense is good, but not good enough....without him Ellis isnt the same player because he draws constant double teams...when Abraham and Ellis are playing at their best, this defense has the potential to be a Top 5 defensive unit...we NEED Abraham signed, and we need him healthy for most of the year, and we need him getting 14-15 sacks and being the dominant pass rusher we know he can be

we have to hope Jones can be decent....unfortunately there isnt much we can do about losing McKenzie...the Giants severly overpaid for him, and the Jets would have been foolish to match the offer

[PlsDontTearDownY.S.]

I would have liked to add a #3 receiver in the offseason as I dont think Cotchery is a good #3


Whats wrong with Cotchery? He was a rookie and he definitely showed some talent. We don't need a world beater in the slot.

[dabomb2045]

Whats wrong with Cotchery? He was a rookie and he definitely showed some talent. We don't need a world beater in the slot.


I wanted a seasoned WR as our #3...Cotchery showed nothing last year, maybe he will be good this year but maybe he wont

[JeffWeaverFan]

I think this thing is almost done...

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/features/rumors

Jets set to land Law
<Jul. 30> According to the Newark Star-Ledger, if Law passes a physical and is impressive during an upcoming workout, he'll likely sign with the Jets.

Law's agent Carl Poston reportedly said Wednesday the Jets have made an offer "averaging more than $6 million", the Bergen Record reports.

The Jaguars, Lions and Chiefs are also interested, but the Jets seem to have the inside track because of Law's close relationship with coach Herman Edwards, running back Curtis Martin and defensive back coach Corwin Brown, who played with Law in college (Michigan) and the NFL (Patriots).

[dabomb2045]

I think this thing is almost done...

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/features/rumors

Jets set to land Law
<Jul. 30> According to the Newark Star-Ledger, if Law passes a physical and is impressive during an upcoming workout, he'll likely sign with the Jets.

Law's agent Carl Poston reportedly said Wednesday the Jets have made an offer "averaging more than $6 million", the Bergen Record reports.

The Jaguars, Lions and Chiefs are also interested, but the Jets seem to have the inside track because of Law's close relationship with coach Herman Edwards, running back Curtis Martin and defensive back coach Corwin Brown, who played with Law in college (Michigan) and the NFL (Patriots).


just awesome...the Jets are going after it, and I love it

[MassNYYfan]

So Coles pulled up lame with that toe injury already, eh?

[JeffWeaverFan]

So Coles pulled up lame with that toe injury already, eh?
Coles is fine. I have heard rumors that Barton might need knee surgery though.

[JeffWeaverFan]

Latest on Law from the ESPN rumor section:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/features/rumors

Lions fading in Law chase
<Aug. 2> According to ESPN.com's John Clayton, the Lions don't figure to be a big player in the Law sweepstakes. Although they have worked him out twice and team president Matt Millen would love to sign him, the Lions won't outbid the Jets for Law's services.

According to the Newark Star-Ledger, if Law passes a physical and is impressive during an upcoming workout, he'll likely sign with the Jets.

Law's agent Carl Poston reportedly said Wednesday the Jets have made an offer "averaging more than $6 million", the Bergen Record reports.

The Jaguars, Lions and Chiefs are also interested, but the Jets seem to have the inside track because of Law's close relationship with coach Herman Edwards, running back Curtis Martin and defensive back coach Corwin Brown, who played with Law in college (Michigan) and the NFL (Patriots).

[PlsDontTearDownY.S.]

I wanted a seasoned WR as our #3...Cotchery showed nothing last year, maybe he will be good this year but maybe he wont


FWIW 4 of his 6 catches were for FDs.


I have heard rumors that Barton might need knee surgery though.

that would suck if it's more than rumors, Barton is a very good linebacker. The linebackers are the stregnth of the defense.

[JeffWeaverFan]

At this point it's only rumors. From jetsinsider.com a guy started a thread saying he needed surgery. Then Barton didn't practice one day. The latest is relatively good news:

Edwards also said that LB Eric Barton bruised his knee in the off-season. “He’s fine,” Edwards said of Barton. “We don’t want him to aggravate it.” Edwards said the plan is to have Hunter, Mickens, and Barton only participate in practice when it’s on the team’s grass training field, which has been the afternoon the past few days.

[dabomb2045]

more good news on Law....

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/story/333879p-285266c.html

Law's Houston-based agent, Carl Poston, is scheduled to arrive in New York today to meet with Jets assistant general manager Mike Tannenbaum, Poston told the Daily News yesterday.

The face-to-face negotiating session is an indication the Jets could be getting close to a deal with the former All-Pro cornerback, who would be the biggest free-agent acquisition of the Terry Bradway/Herm Edwards era.

"The Jets have always shown some interest," he continued. "I told them that if they were serious, I'd come on up. It's always positive that we're talking, and it's better to meet face to face."

Poston said he doesn't expect to finalize a deal today, but he quickly added, "You never know if you're on the 5-yard line or the 50." He's scheduled to have dinner with Tannenbaum, the Jets' contract negotiator.

[RIyankee]

...Cotchery showed nothing last year, maybe he will be good this year but maybe he wont

That's the case with most rookie WRs. That's why I'm opposed to drafting them in the first round (Cotchery was a 4th rounder). Cotchery was Phillip Rivers #1 target at N.C. State.

[JeffWeaverFan]

Herman Edwards on PTI:

Asked about the Patriots:

"We focus on the NY Jets, not the Patriots..."

About Ty Law:

"He's not a Jet as of now... We're interested in him."

About Chad Pennington:

"He's around 85-87%. He's getting better every day. It's a long process coming back but we have time still."

About John Abraham:

"Yeah, John will be in here... As soon as he decides when the right time is."

Tony Kornheiser has us down for 12 wins, how many will we win they ask Herman?

Doesn't answer.

[knickfan23]

Is there going to be a 2005 version of the Jets analysis thread, or will we stick with this until the end of time?

[JeffWeaverFan]

Is there going to be a 2005 version of the Jets analysis thread, or will we stick with this until the end of time?
Good question. Maybe when the season starts we will start another one? I don't care either way.

[PinstripePride]

About John Abraham:

"Yeah, John will be in here... As soon as he decides when the right time is."



Abraham is a POS. :mad: