Least Favorite NFL Players

[SoCal Pinstriper]

Perhaps it is the nature of the game, but, unlike baseball where I harbour very few negative feelings for individual players, I really enjoy watching certain NFLers get theirs as they play the violent game.

My Top Three
Jeremy Shockey- Sorry Giants fans. Never has so much been made of someone who spoke so much and scored so little.

Terrell Owens- Self explanitory.

Kellen Winslow Jr.- Claims that Shockey is his role model. As if that isn't enough, he has done even less in the NFL.

Again, I wish no ill will on these players beyond the league standard shot when they go over the middle.

I look forward to your picks in this area.:)

[Euclis]

Randy Moss-not only did he push a female cop down the street with his car, but the guy openly takes plays off that aren't called for him. I probably wouldn't care if he was on my team, but since he isn't, he's a jerk.

Mike Vanderjagt-big phony. First, he mouths off about his team not playing hard enough, a big no no for a kicker. Second, when the pats played the colts in the middle of last season, he intentionally got faked out on Bethel Johnson's kickoff return for a TD, so he wouldn't get hurt.

Keyshawn Johnson- O-V-E-R-R-A-T-E-D, and just won't stfu.

I can probably think of more later.

[ConnYanksFan]

Warren Sapp, Kellen Winslow and Chris Hovan.

[Serge]

Sapp.

[TyWebb]

Ray Lewis. That sickening "dance" he did while being introduced at the Super Bowl still makes me cringe.

I never liked Sapp's attitude, and I don't think I will anytime soon.

Third place is a tie between every member of the Cowboys, Redskins, and Eagles. ;)

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

*LaVar Arrington (a rep for my hatred of the entire Jetskins team)
*Mike Vick (overrated. plus i hate "running" QBs. he'll NEVER live up to his hype.)
*Goat Man, aka Kurt Warner
*Terrell Owens (used to love him, now he's a jacka** and an Eagle... oops, sorry for being redundant.)
*Tommy Maddox--not only a Steeler, but a one-year-wondered "feel good story" Steeler
*CHARLES WOODSON--WHAT A FREAKING CRYBABY. He's probably STILL whining about the tuck rule game. He might be my single most hated NFLer if not for the fact that Arrington ended Aikman's career. Man do I hate him.
*Donovan McNabb--overrated. I believe it was pace who called him "Donovan McLimbaughWasRight", and I agree. Only an overrated Redskin is worse than an overrated Eagle. There I go being redundant again.
*Brett Favre. No real reason, but I always have and always will despise him. Especially lately that people seem to ignore his penchant for recklessness and blindly hurling up bad passes that every once in awhile his wideouts will come down with, but when they don't he ends up with 5 INT performances against the Rams in the playoffs that reveal his true colors. Man, I could go on...
*Randy Moss because he's Mr. Viking and I hate the Vikings. He shoulda been a Cowboy, but I'm not positive I'd have wanted him anyway.
*Jay Fiedler. Habitual mediocrity personified.
*Jake Plummer. Man did I hate him when he was a Cardinal for some of the same reasons I hate Favre. Cardiac Kid--maybe he wouldn't have to lead all those 4th quarter comebacks if he didn't personally put his team in a hole every game in the first place. And then he comes over to the will-always-have-a-special-place-in-my-heart Broncos so I have to like him, and it sucks!
*Joey Galloway. We screwed ourselves giving up 2 first-rounders for a crappy, lazy as heck receiver who got injured in his first season with us. The only Cowboy I've ever disliked. It took Parcells to finally get him to almost play to his potential, but he still quit on routes, and I'm glad he's gone. I wish we could have our 2 first-rounders back, because he was WORTHLESS.

Too many more, so I'll quit there.

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

Originally posted by ConnYanksFan
Chris Hovan.

GOOD ONE. Add him to my list. Can't believe I forgot him. He's so full of his crappy self, it's unbelievable.

[SoCal Pinstriper]

Originally posted by DaBoys4LifeNYY35
*LaVar Arrington (a rep for my hatred of the entire Jetskins team)
*Mike Vick (overrated. plus i hate "running" QBs. he'll NEVER live up to his hype.)
*Goat Man, aka Kurt Warner
*Terrell Owens (used to love him, now he's a jacka** and an Eagle... oops, sorry for being redundant.)
*Tommy Maddox--not only a Steeler, but a one-year-wondered "feel good story" Steeler
*CHARLES WOODSON--WHAT A FREAKING CRYBABY. He's probably STILL whining about the tuck rule game. He might be my single most hated NFLer if not for the fact that Arrington ended Aikman's career. Man do I hate him.
*Donovan McNabb--overrated. I believe it was pace who called him "Donovan McLimbaughWasRight", and I agree. Only an overrated Redskin is worse than an overrated Eagle. There I go being redundant again.
*Brett Favre. No real reason, but I always have and always will despise him. Especially lately that people seem to ignore his penchant for recklessness and blindly hurling up bad passes that every once in awhile his wideouts will come down with, but when they don't he ends up with 5 INT performances against the Rams in the playoffs that reveal his true colors. Man, I could go on...
*Randy Moss because he's Mr. Viking and I hate the Vikings. He shoulda been a Cowboy, but I'm not positive I'd have wanted him anyway.
*Jay Fiedler. Habitual mediocrity personified.
*Jake Plummer. Man did I hate him when he was a Cardinal for some of the same reasons I hate Favre. Cardiac Kid--maybe he wouldn't have to lead all those 4th quarter comebacks if he didn't personally put his team in a hole every game in the first place. And then he comes over to the will-always-have-a-special-place-in-my-heart Broncos so I have to like him, and it sucks!
*Joey Galloway. We screwed ourselves giving up 2 first-rounders for a crappy, lazy as heck receiver who got injured in his first season with us. The only Cowboy I've ever disliked. It took Parcells to finally get him to almost play to his potential, but he still quit on routes, and I'm glad he's gone. I wish we could have our 2 first-rounders back, because he was WORTHLESS.

Too many more, so I'll quit there.

Oh My! I'm not sure that I meant to open that 55 gallon drum of worms.

[ConnYanksFan]

Originally posted by DaBoys4LifeNYY35
*LaVar Arrington (a rep for my hatred of the entire Jetskins team)
*Mike Vick (overrated. plus i hate "running" QBs. he'll NEVER live up to his hype.)
*Goat Man, aka Kurt Warner
*Terrell Owens (used to love him, now he's a jacka** and an Eagle... oops, sorry for being redundant.)
*Tommy Maddox--not only a Steeler, but a one-year-wondered "feel good story" Steeler
*CHARLES WOODSON--WHAT A FREAKING CRYBABY. He's probably STILL whining about the tuck rule game. He might be my single most hated NFLer if not for the fact that Arrington ended Aikman's career. Man do I hate him.
*Donovan McNabb--overrated. I believe it was pace who called him "Donovan McLimbaughWasRight", and I agree. Only an overrated Redskin is worse than an overrated Eagle. There I go being redundant again.
*Brett Favre. No real reason, but I always have and always will despise him. Especially lately that people seem to ignore his penchant for recklessness and blindly hurling up bad passes that every once in awhile his wideouts will come down with, but when they don't he ends up with 5 INT performances against the Rams in the playoffs that reveal his true colors. Man, I could go on...
*Randy Moss because he's Mr. Viking and I hate the Vikings. He shoulda been a Cowboy, but I'm not positive I'd have wanted him anyway.
*Jay Fiedler. Habitual mediocrity personified.
*Jake Plummer. Man did I hate him when he was a Cardinal for some of the same reasons I hate Favre. Cardiac Kid--maybe he wouldn't have to lead all those 4th quarter comebacks if he didn't personally put his team in a hole every game in the first place. And then he comes over to the will-always-have-a-special-place-in-my-heart Broncos so I have to like him, and it sucks!
*Joey Galloway. We screwed ourselves giving up 2 first-rounders for a crappy, lazy as heck receiver who got injured in his first season with us. The only Cowboy I've ever disliked. It took Parcells to finally get him to almost play to his potential, but he still quit on routes, and I'm glad he's gone. I wish we could have our 2 first-rounders back, because he was WORTHLESS.

Too many more, so I'll quit there.
Maybe it would be easier to ask what players you like the most?;)

[bxny]

Most of my least favorite players have already retired... or should be.

Emmitt Smith, Moss, Ray Lewis, and Strahan with his *22.5 farce. Throw in Brett Farve too. I thought his acting couldn't possibly get any worse than it was in Something About Mary, until he did his flop for Strahan.

[JeffWeaverFan]

I HATE Tom Brady. Hate him so much. I think he's overated and I hate how he is compared to Joe Montana. I think if you put him in another offense he would show his true colors and stink up the place. &po'd& &po'd&

[SoCal Pinstriper]

Originally posted by JeffWeaverFan
I HATE Tom Brady. Hate him so much. I think he's overated and I hate how he is compared to Joe Montana. I think if you put him in another offense he would show his true colors and stink up the place. &po'd& &po'd&

Noone would have any idea who Joe Montana was without Bill Walsh. Remember, that was the original West Coast Offense. Defensive coordinators had no idea what was comming at them. Montana had barely better than average physical skills, but he was running the most revolutionary offense developed since they started using the forward pass.

Note- Rice, who had superior skills would have been a HOFer anywhere.

[WebsterMulligan]

Originally posted by JeffWeaverFan
I HATE Tom Brady. Hate him so much. I think he's overated and I hate how he is compared to Joe Montana. I think if you put him in another offense he would show his true colors and stink up the place. &po'd& &po'd&

That's the beauty of it. Belichick knows how to maximize Brady's talents in the Patriot's offensive scheme. Brilliant that a coach gets so much from his players, don't you think? He get's one more Superbowl win (which is extremely possible) and the comparisons to Montana might have some validity.

[Euclis]

I HATE Tom Brady. Hate him so much. I think he's overated and I hate how he is compared to Joe Montana.

The annoying thing for me (as a Pats fan and as a Red Sox fan) is that whenever I think about the compliments and criticisms applied to Brady, I think of Derek Jeter.

[JeffWeaverFan]

Originally posted by Euclis


The annoying thing for me (as a Pats fan and as a Red Sox fan) is that whenever I think about the compliments and criticisms applied to Brady, I think of Derek Jeter. Interesting. I guess the difference though is that Jeter has a lot more talent than Brady... By the way, did you know that Brady grew up a Yankee fan?

[Euclis]

Heh, I'd say the difference is that Jeter has been around longer and the Yankees have won more:P

[JeffWeaverFan]

Originally posted by Euclis
Heh, I'd say the difference is that Jeter has been around longer and the Yankees have won more:P
I would agree with that in addition to my own thoughts;)

[AZYanksfan]

Michael Pittman

http://www.cracksmoker.com/NFL/NFL%20PittmanM.htm

[cubswin]

Originally posted by JeffWeaverFan
Interesting. I guess the difference though is that Jeter has a lot more talent than Brady...



in your opinion. otoh, some might say you don't quarterback a team to 2 SBs w/o quite a bit of talent...

[#1PaFan]

Originally posted by bxny
Most of my least favorite players have already retired... or should be.

Emmitt Smith, Moss, Ray Lewis, and Strahan with his *22.5 farce. Throw in Brett Farve too. I thought his acting couldn't possibly get any worse than it was in Something About Mary, until he did his flop for Strahan.

"They don't boo Nobodys" Reggie

I can understand Moss & Lewis. They are both probably the best right now at their positions. Plus, they're jerkoffs as far as personalities go.

But, hating Brett & Emmitt? (I don't even mind putting an ex-Cowboy in the same sentence as one of My Packers, as long as it's a man like Emmitt)

[ConnYanksFan]

Originally posted by #1PaFan
But, hating Brett & Emmitt? (I don't even mind putting an ex-Cowboy in the same sentence as one of My Packers, as long as it's a man like Emmitt)
And I thought I was the only Packers fan that originated from PA. I'm curious to know how you became a Packers fan.

[RIyankee]

Originally posted by JeffWeaverFan
Interesting. I guess the difference though is that Jeter has a lot more talent than Brady... By the way, did you know that Brady grew up a Yankee fan?

Jeter and Brady are both talented players/winners. ;)

JWF, that fact the Brady grew up a Yankees fan is further proof of his intelligence and sophistication - and his winning ways. :D

Based on what I've seen of Brady and the Pats this summer, it looks like I'm going to see a lot more of those &po'd&s in your future posts. :lol:

To stay on topic...

Panthers WR Steve Smith. He acted like a jerk thoughout the SB. I enjoyed seeing Willie McGinest jam him in his face at the line almost as much as seeing Vinetieri's kicked ball split the uprights.

[NoVa YankeeFan]

all the Redskins
all the Cowboys
all the Iggles

[WebsterMulligan]

Originally posted by RIyankee

Based on what I've seen of Brady and the Pats this summer, it looks like I'm going to see a lot more of those &po'd&s in your future posts. :lol:


Yep! He's going to look even better with the Patriot's improved running game, aside from the fact that he is a professional, who works hard to continually improve his game.

Panthers WR Steve Smith. He acted like a jerk thoughout the SB. I enjoyed seeing Willie McGinest jam him in his face at the line almost as much as seeing Vinetieri's kicked ball split the uprights.

:D :D :D

[JeffWeaverFan]

Originally posted by cubswin




in your opinion. otoh, some might say you don't quarterback a team to 2 SBs w/o quite a bit of talent...
Trent Dilfer QB'd a team to the SB adn I wouldn't call him all that talented. The Ravens that year, like the Patriots in their 2 SB years, won because of their defense, not because of their QB. (And I know Brady had the two big drives but I don't want to think/talk about those).

[JeffWeaverFan]

Originally posted by RIyankee

Based on what I've seen of Brady and the Pats this summer, it looks like I'm going to see a lot more of those &po'd&s in your future posts. :lol:
God I hope not...:(

[Euclis]

Similarites between Jeter and Brady:

-Perform well under pressure
-Raise performance during postseason
-Unquestioned leader of the team
-Not the best statistically, but hide their weaknesses well
-Pretty boy
-Team's most popular player

[Euclis]

Trent Dilfer QB'd a team to the SB adn I wouldn't call him all that talented. The Ravens that year, like the Patriots in their 2 SB years, won because of their defense, not because of their QB. (And I know Brady had the two big drives but I don't want to think/talk about those).

The pats defense during their 2 SB years was very strong, but it wasn't as good as the Ravens. People were talking about that Ravens D being among the best of all time. Dilfer has a proven track record of being a mediocre at best QB. Brady has had nothing but success as a Pat and an NFL QB....his numbers don't put him at the head of the class with Manning or Vick or McNabb, but he's certainly better than Dilfer, whose best attribute was that he didn't mess up too much. Plus, Brady is entering just his FOURTH SEASON....improvement is not hoped for, it is expected.

[WebsterMulligan]

Originally posted by JeffWeaverFan

Trent Dilfer QB'd a team to the SB adn I wouldn't call him all that talented. The Ravens that year, like the Patriots in their 2 SB years, won because of their defense, not because of their QB. (And I know Brady had the two big drives but I don't want to think/talk about those).

I do not understand your failure to acknowledge Brady's skills at QB. He is a 2-time Superbowl MVP.

[RIyankee]

Originally posted by WebsterMulligan


I do not understand your failure to acknowledge Brady's skills at QB. He is a 2-time Superbowl MVP.

I do. He's a Jets fan. J-E-T-S JETS! JETS!! JETS!!! :lol:

The 2000 Giants were a weak SB team. The Pats beat the Rams in unfavorable conditions (dome/astroturf). The Panthers were better than those 2001 Rams IMO.

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

Originally posted by WebsterMulligan


I do not understand your failure to acknowledge Brady's skills at QB. He is a 2-time Superbowl MVP.

Yeah, fer realz. I've had him on my fantasy team before. Going by the results of that alone, even if I'd never seen him play, he is NOT overrated, JWF. For goodness' sakes, he took my FANTASY team to the Super Bowl, too!

[#1PaFan]

Originally posted by DaBoys4LifeNYY35


Yeah, fer realz. I've had him on my fantasy team before. Going by the results of that alone, even if I'd never seen him play, he is NOT overrated, JWF. For goodness' sakes, he took my FANTASY team to the Super Bowl, too!

Nat, I kind of doubt that Brady took ya there! I *bet* you had at least one stud RB that was a LOT more responsible. ;)

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

Originally posted by #1PaFan


Nat, I kind of doubt that Brady took ya there! I *bet* you had at least one stud RB that was a LOT more responsible. ;)

Haha, I WISH! My RBs that year were Antowain Smith and someone even less worth mentioning (the tortures of autodraft when you opt to take a QB instead of a RB in the first round). But I did have Marvin Harrison, Jeremy Shockey, and some other notables. Seriously though, two seasons ago, despite not making the playoffs, Brady's personal stats were among the best in the league--I, personally, thought he was snubbed for the Pro Bowl that season. He's more than just the Dilfer-style "Game Manager" that many would like to think he is. Dilfer's job was not to detract from his team's performance, whereas Brady often is actually capable of ADDING something to his team's performance.

[#1PaFan]

Hey I agree about Brady. He's a pretty darn good QB but I never really think of him as a Fantasy stud.

You must have a had a really solid all around team if Antwoine Smith was your feature back!!! :lol: Sounds like it was a big league.

[RIyankee]

RBs are always better than QBs in FF. They run, catch and score TDs more than any other position.

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

Originally posted by RIyankee
RBs are always better than QBs in FF. They run, catch and score TDs more than any other position.

Yes, after experiencing much evidence in support of that due to my refusal to obey it, I know that fact very, very well. It also helps if you're not dumb enough to auto-draft. :)

[PinstripePride]

You got Brady in the FIRST round of an autodraft? Did you pre-rank? That's terrible.

[#1PaFan]

Originally posted by PinstripePride
You got Brady in the FIRST round of an autodraft? Did you pre-rank? That's terrible.

:lol: Agreed!

Man, Nat, what type of League was this? Who were the other owners? Nine year olds? The Mentally Disabled? Illiterate folks? A bunch of Soccer fans that messed up? Escapees from a Mental Hospital? Fellow Cowboy fans? :D :P :gulp:

[Mandro Ramtinez]

Least favorite:

Warren Sapp. I'm a huge Pats fan (living in Boston you have to be) and he talked so much sh*t before the Super Bowl. Meanwhile, his team didn't even make the playoffs? Loser.

Terrell Owens. True story. A buddy of mine had his nine year nephew with him at a restaurant in SF. They see none other than the kid's favorite football player, T.O. Kid walks over and calls him Mr. Owens, then asks for his autograph. Terrell asks him how to say his full name. The kid calls him terrell. Owens snaps back, "It's Terr-ell," and walks away without signing anything. Scum bag.

Peyton Manning. I'm a Pats fan, we hate him.

[cubswin]

Originally posted by JeffWeaverFan

Trent Dilfer QB'd a team to the SB adn I wouldn't call him all that talented. ...


yes -- thus the point about 2 - not 1

[JeffWeaverFan]

Originally posted by cubswin



yes -- thus the point about 2 - not 1
Without the biggest BS call I have ever seen (tuck rule) it would have only been 1.:mad:

[JeffWeaverFan]

Originally posted by WebsterMulligan


I do not understand your failure to acknowledge Brady's skills at QB. He is a 2-time Superbowl MVP.
I think that he is a QB that would fail under any other offensive system. I think he throws good short passes that are supposedly very easy to handle, but I don't think he throws a good long ball. I remember in the Super Bowl whenever he threw a ball over 20 yards, it would never be complete. I will be the first to admit that I partially (only partially, not fully) think he's overated because I'm a Jets fan and absolutely hate the Patriots...

[Euclis]

The Pats haven't had a single above average player at their skill positions in Brady's tenure, and their O line has been pretty bad too. Brady makes the system work, and the fact that he won 2 superbowls in 3 years (tuck rule or not) proves that no one could have done it any better. Bledsoe certainly could throw the long pass, but his inability to cover up the weaknesses of the offensive line are what kept him from winning in recent years.

Brady is overrated...if you are comparing him to Joe Montana. But if you think Brady is a QB who would fail under any other offensive system, you are most definitely underrating him.

[JeffWeaverFan]

Originally posted by Euclis
The Pats haven't had a single above average player at their skill positions in Brady's tenure, and their O line has been pretty bad too. Brady makes the system work, and the fact that he won 2 superbowls in 3 years (tuck rule or not) proves that no one could have done it any better. Bledsoe certainly could throw the long pass, but his inability to cover up the weaknesses of the offensive line are what kept him from winning in recent years.

Brady is overrated...if you are comparing him to Joe Montana. But if you think Brady is a QB who would fail under any other offensive system, you are most definitely underrating him.
It's true that they don't have any real great skill players, but I think they have a lot of WR's that are very good at YAC and I think that helps Brady out. I feel that most of his passes are little dumps and short passes where his WR's help him with running after the catch.

Maybe I am underating Brady, but I do feel that he would not be nearly as good under a different offensive system. Maybe after this season I'll change my opinion.

[WebsterMulligan]

Originally posted by JeffWeaverFan

Without the biggest BS call I have ever seen (tuck rule) it would have only been 1.:mad:

It is within the letter of the rules. If that play had favored the Jets, you would gladly take it and you know it.

Originally posted by JeffWeaverFan
I think that he is a QB that would fail under any other offensive system. I think he throws good short passes that are supposedly very easy to handle, but I don't think he throws a good long ball. I remember in the Super Bowl whenever he threw a ball over 20 yards, it would never be complete. I will be the first to admit that I partially (only partially, not fully) think he's overated because I'm a Jets fan and absolutely hate the Patriots...

I appreciate your honesty, but I think that you are incorrect regarding Brady's ability, to throw the long pass. He's deadly accurate throwing 20-30 yard passes. With the Pat's offensive scheme, why should he be asked to throw long, if they don't need to? It's like asking the Yankees to bunt (sort of). I'm not comparing him to Marino, in terms of a pure passer, but he is damn good.

[JeffWeaverFan]

Originally posted by WebsterMulligan


It is within the letter of the rules. If that play had favored the Jets, you would gladly take it and you know it.



I appreciate your honesty, but I think that you are incorrect regarding Brady's ability, to throw the long pass. He's deadly accurate throwing 20-30 yard passes. With the Pat's offensive scheme, why should he be asked to throw long, if they don't need to? It's like asking the Yankees to bunt (sort of). I'm not comparing him to Marino, in terms of a pure passer, but he is damn good.
It's a stupid rule and shouldn't be in the rules... If it favored the Jets, I would gladly take it, but I would be very thankful that there was that BS rule.

Maybe I just haven't watched enough Pat games and I'll try to catch some more this season so I can (hopefully) add to my argument.

[yanksrule69]

Originally posted by Mandro Ramtinez
Least favorite:
Peyton Manning. I'm a Pats fan, we hate him.

I thought I was going to be the only person that said Peyton. I cannot stand that man. I hate listening to him talk and everything about him. Yes he is good but I just don't like him for some reason.

I am not a Pats fan either (can't stand them either:P). That is not the reason. I just do not like him. The only name that came to mind when I saw the thread title was Peyton Manning.

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

Originally posted by PinstripePride
You got Brady in the FIRST round of an autodraft? Did you pre-rank? That's terrible.

Nah, I ended up getting Kurt Warner in the first round despite my best efforts to pre-rank him out of all possibilities of ending up on my team. That was the year when Roy Williams knocked him out with a broken thumb and I thankfully had Tom Brady to turn to. My brother and I both spend hours upon hours pre-ranking, by the way. However, like I said, I've learned many lessons over the years and would never opt for QB over RB in the first round ever again if I were ever dumb enough to auto-draft again, which I won't be--both of my teams this year are getting done live draft style. ;)

Another thing you gotta understand about me with regards to fantasy football is, despite how good some guys are, to get back to the topic of this thread, personal hatred drives me to want to keep them off my team at all costs. For example, I would likely eat my right arm rather than pick Mike Vick to be on my team. (Same reason why I only have one Sox player and zero Giants on my wicked fantasy baseball team). If I'm going to win, I'm going to win with guys who I wouldn't mind rooting for on any given Sunday because I enjoy the experience ten times more that way. This means that Favre, Vick, and the entire Jetskins and Eagles crews will likely be free for everyone else's taking under almost every circumstance.

[Yankee Bulldawg]

1. Terrel Owens
2. Ray Lewis
3. Kellen Winslow II

[hugelongtermdeal]

Originally posted by JeffWeaverFan
Maybe I am underating Brady. Maybe after this season I'll change my opinion.


now you're on to something....

[JeffWeaverFan]

Originally posted by hugelongtermdeal



now you're on to something....
I hope not...;)

[IncredibleByNature]

Originally posted by Mandro Ramtinez


Peyton Manning. I'm a Pats fan, we hate him.

Why? Has he ever even beaten the Pats? :uhh: :o

Anyways, I LOVE Peyton. I don't see how it's possible to hate the man. :D :) (I am biased ;))

[cubswin]

Originally posted by IncredibleByNature


Why? Has he ever even beaten the Pats? :uhh: :o

Anyways, I LOVE Peyton. I don't see how it's possible to hate the man. :D :) (I am biased ;))


"Hate" is a strong word, imo. But I do dislike him. I think it's b/c the Pats have played him a lot and I think he's overrated.

[dabomb2045]

Ray Lewis....Terrell Owens....and Tom Brady

Lewis just talks way too much smack.....plus he should be jail for at least accessory to murder

Owens.....same thing.....he acts like he is the greatest WR ever.....yet he really hasnt done anything except have 2 real good years

Brady....cuz everyone kisses his ass....and he just isnt that good...he is on the perfect team in the perfect offense....

similar to Montana back in the 80's.....Marino and Elway were far superior....yet were surronded by alot less talent.....if Marino had a decent RB with him....who knows how many Bowls he would have won.....Elway didnt have a RB till Davis showed up....and look what happened....he won 2 Bowls

[Euclis]

Brady didn't have a RB, or any good WRs until Dillon showed up;)

[dabomb2045]

Originally posted by Euclis
Brady didn't have a RB, or any good WRs until Dillon showed up;)


I think there are alot of QB's that could have won with the team Brady is on....just like if you put Marino or Elway back on the 49ers in the 80's...if you switched Brady and Pennington....the Pats would have still won the Bowl...and I think the Jets would be even worse then they are

[flutie22]

Originally posted by dabomb2045



if you switched Brady and Pennington....the Pats would have still won the Bowl...and I think the Jets would be even worse then they are

now i've heard it all.

[cubswin]

Originally posted by dabomb2045



I think there are alot of QB's that could have won with the team Brady is on....just like if you put Marino or Elway back on the 49ers in the 80's...if you switched Brady and Pennington....the Pats would have still won the Bowl...and I think the Jets would be even worse then they are


Elway, perhaps. I doubt Marino -- too many mistakes, not as good in the clutch. Same re. Pennington -- let's see him do something before you start comparing him to a 2-time super bowl MVP.

[RhodyYanksFan]

I didn't read all 3 pages of responses, but I'll be surprised if I'm the frst to mention Deion Sanders. This guy was done 3 years ago, and now just because he got fired from CBS and nobody wants him to coach, he just thinks he can come back better then before. All he cares about is being on TV. Not to mention he's going to one of my least favorite teams.

Some HM:
Owens, Keyshawn and Steve McNair. I can't wait for the day when not practicing all week catches up with him. Everyone thinks he's great for going through all those injuries, but he will never be MVP again.

[DaBoys4LifeNYY35]

Originally posted by RhodyYanksFan
I didn't read all 3 pages of responses, but I'll be surprised if I'm the frst to mention Deion Sanders.

Prime Time's the only player I've ever forgiven for jumping ship. I pretend 2000 never happened for him, which is basically true anyway. He was out with that stupid toe injury for most of it, and his team was such an enjoyably tremendous flop. Add in the first of 3 straight 5-11s for Dallas, Aikman going down forever, a Ravens/Giants Super Bowl, and it's pretty easy to pretend none of it ever happened... I liked Deion that much.

[RIyankee]

Originally posted by dabomb2045



I think there are alot of QB's that could have won with the team Brady is on....just like if you put Marino or Elway back on the 49ers in the 80's...if you switched Brady and Pennington....the Pats would have still won the Bowl...and I think the Jets would be even worse then they are

Both QBs came into the league at the same time. Weis' system is as complex or more than Hackett's. Yet Pennington took longer than Brady to adjust to the NFL and win the starting job. Pennington failed to lead his team deep into the playoffs while having a Pro Bowl RB and WR Coles. Besides Troy Brown, who got to go to Hawaii in 2002 more for his return skills than as a WR, which Pats WR went to the Pro Bowl last February? How much better is Curtis Martin than Antwain Smith?