Arizona D-Backs..weak or strong?

[AhhhGuinness]

The next three days will determine what type of ownership/front office Arizona has...do they cave into RJ or do they do what's right for the organization and the fans.
From everything that's been talked about, there are several teams in contention for the playoffs who have a much-better talent pool than the Yankees do with which to work a trade that would best impact Arizona in the next 2-3 years.

So basically it's up to Garagiola Jr/Coleangelo..Do they say to Randy "Look, I know you want to go to NY, but we're not just giving you away, losing one of our few attractions without getting some bigtime young studs. So either you accept the trade to Anaheim, LA, etc or you stay here and deal with it and we try to build around you next year while hopefully getting healthy."

Obviously the press can be wrong, but from everything I've read in regards to the Yankees youth compared to other teams' youth, there is absolutely no reason to move RJ to the Yankees unless they absolutely 100% MUST trim his salary from the payroll.

I can't believe that the D-Backs would settle for quantity (NY) over quality (other clubs) when it comes to prospects for the most dangerous guy on the block. My guess is he doesn't go to the Yankees.

Anyone else?

[RhodeyYankee2638]

Well what is good for the team??????

Keeping RJ has its ups
-Dominant Pitcher
- Its arguable that he is there only draw, and there only reason to watch DBACKS games
- He could retire a DBACK as was the plan

But it also has its negatives
- $24 million on one player for the next 2 years, and Finley is also up there 2. That $30 million can go to buying A LOT of pitching and hitting.
- If they trade Johnson, they not only free up this money to spend on free agents, but also get some decent prospects in return
- Keeping RJ as a DBACK hinders his W/L record, and he has stated he wants a shot at 300
- They can't get a win for him, why let him suffer?

It seems as though the negatives of keeping RJ outweigh the possibilities of keeping him. RJ knows himself the team can be more competitive without him than with him

[AhhhGuinness]

Originally posted by RhodeyYankee2638
[B]Well what is good for the team??????

Getting great talent in return. They can't let RJ run the show. Tell him if he wants to go to a winner fine, but it has to be a team that has the prospects Arizona needs..compromise.

[Serge]

Originally posted by RhodeyYankee2638
Well what is good for the team??????

Keeping RJ has its ups
-Dominant Pitcher
- Its arguable that he is there only draw, and there only reason to watch DBACKS games
- He could retire a DBACK as was the plan

But it also has its negatives
- $24 million on one player for the next 2 years, and Finley is also up there 2. That $30 million can go to buying A LOT of pitching and hitting.
- If they trade Johnson, they not only free up this money to spend on free agents, but also get some decent prospects in return
- Keeping RJ as a DBACK hinders his W/L record, and he has stated he wants a shot at 300
- They can't get a win for him, why let him suffer?

It seems as though the negatives of keeping RJ outweigh the possibilities of keeping him. RJ knows himself the team can be more competitive without him than with him The negatives far outweigh the positives.

[hellonewman]

Originally posted by RhodeyYankee2638
- If they trade Johnson, they not only free up this money to spend on free agents, but also get some decent prospects in return

Bingo. The Yankees' ability to take on money is a factor in "what's good" for Arizona. It's all well and good to stress the better prospects Anaheim can offer than what the Yankees can, but if Anaheim is considerably stingier than the Yankees in how much money they'll assume, Arizona has to weigh that too. The more payroll relief Arizona gets, the more they can invest in players who can help them.

[parkerstrong]

Arizona lost 30 million dollars last year. That is a lot of money. MLB has loaned them money. They should get rid of him. They should respect his wishes. Randy has done alot for that organization. The Yankees will make a fair trade for him. They should respect him and trade him to the Yankees. It isnt the Yankees fault the Schilling and Sexton deals were horrible. Schilling didnt force the trade to Boston, they wanted to make that deal. I feel the D'Backs dont want to deal with the Yankees due to David Wells. That is why Schiling went to Boston.

RJ signed with Arizona when they just started up. He helped build that team. Schilling never would have went there if they didnt have RJ.

The Yankees can make a better trade than what Boston gave up for Schilling.....

Imagine if Edgar Martinez wanted to be traded...shouldnt the Mariners respect his wishes and send him to the team he wants? Edgar has done alot for Seattle in his time there.

Basically to me it comes down to RESPECT. Is the hatred of the Yankees from ownership bigger than their RESPECT for RJ? I hope not.

[Arod for President]

Originally posted by Serge
The negatives far outweigh the positives.


hes right... weak

[AhhhGuinness]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by parkerstrong
Arizona lost 30 million dollars last year. That is a lot of money. MLB has loaned them money. They should get rid of him. They should respect his wishes. Randy has done alot for that organization. The Yankees will make a fair trade for him. They should respect him and trade him to the Yankees. It isnt the Yankees fault the Schilling and Sexton deals were horrible. Schilling didnt force the trade to Boston, they wanted to make that deal. I feel the D'Backs dont want to deal with the Yankees due to David Wells. That is why Schiling went to Boston.

RJ signed with Arizona when they just started up. He helped build that team. Schilling never would have went there if they didnt have RJ.

The Yankees can make a better trade than what Boston gave up for Schilling.....

Imagine if Edgar Martinez wanted to be traded...shouldnt the Mariners respect his wishes and send him to the team he wants? Edgar has done alot for Seattle in his time there.

Basically to me it comes down to RESPECT. Is the hatred of the Yankees from ownership bigger than their RESPECT for RJ? I hope not. [QUOTE]

I think paying a man 10's of millions of $$ is enough of a showing of respect. Besides, a pitcher knows what happens when he signs a contract, he's committed to the organization until the length of the contract is up...if he was afraid of playing for a bad team, he should just have signed a series of 1-year deals so he could be free to play for a winner as soon as Arizona was bad.

The organization has a chance to get great prospects for RJ, but he's turning down offers to go to other competitors. If I'm Arizona and I can afford him (and it sounds like they were already planning to afford him for next year and build around him before this all started) then I don't trade him unless it's win win for both RJ and Arizona, and by that I mean winning by adding great young depth.

I know Yankees fans think it's their right to have RJ, just like they think its their god-given right to win the world series every year. But guess what...sometimes life doesn't work the way you want it.

To me RJ is gutless because he wants to go to they Yankees just because he feels they have the best chance..he just wants a trophy/ring to fall in his lap, just like Giambi wanted and just like Mussina wanted and we see how it's worked out for them.

Well I'll tell ya something..if he went to the Sox, they'd have the best chance, not the Yankees. And if he went to LA, they'd have the best chance of at least making the world series, and maybe even winning..But he's too short sighted to see this apparently. I don't recall ever hearing him talk glowingly about NYC before.........

[Irony Of It All]

I know Yankees fans think it's their right to have RJ, just like they think its their god-given right to win the world series every year. But guess what...sometimes life doesn't work the way you want it.

To me RJ is gutless because he wants to go to they Yankees just because he feels they have the best chance..he just wants a trophy/ring to fall in his lap, just like Giambi wanted and just like Mussina wanted and we see how it's worked out for them.

Well I'll tell ya something..if he went to the Sox, they'd have the best chance, not the Yankees. And if he went to LA, they'd have the best chance of at least making the world series, and maybe even winning..But he's too short sighted to see this apparently. I don't recall ever hearing him talk glowingly about NYC before...

So basically you're making a broad generalization about Yankee fans and you're pissed that Johnson prefers to go to the Yankees. Did I get that right?

I'm curious if you were also pissed when the Red Sox got Schilling for a song and a dance or is that OK?

[WakefieldsCrewSox]

Originally posted by Irony Of It All

I'm curious if you were also pissed when the Red Sox got Schilling for a song and a dance or is that OK?

That song and dance was also the key in bringing in Richie Sexson who, although he injured himself this year, is no slouch. I can't answer whether the DBacks GM refused to deal with the Yanks strictly out of bitterness, and neither can you, but the bottom line is that Sexson did come as a result of the Boston prospects AZ got for Schilling.

[Irony Of It All]

Originally posted by WakefieldsCrewSox


That song and dance was also the key in bringing in Richie Sexson who, although he injured himself this year, is no slouch. I can't answer whether the DBacks GM refused to deal with the Yanks strictly out of bitterness, and neither can you, but the bottom line is that Sexson did come as a result of the Boston prospects AZ got for Schilling.

Who's to say the Yankee prospects won't be key in getting someone else for the D-Backs?

FWIW, I don't believe any of the Red Sox prospects the D-Backs received were ranked as high as Navarro - likely to be involved if there is a trade - so this would be no worse than the Schilling trade. I just find the hypocricy a bit humorous.

[flutie22]

Originally posted by Irony Of It All


Who's to say the Yankee prospects won't be key in getting someone else for the D-Backs?

FWIW, I don't believe any of the Red Sox prospects the D-Backs received were ranked as high as Navarro - likely to be involved if there is a trade - so this would be no worse than the Schilling trade. I just find the hypocricy a bit humorous.
Jorge De La Rosa- i believe he was ranked higher than navarro...he was a key piece of the deal that got them sexson

[Irony Of It All]

Originally posted by flutie22

Jorge De La Rosa- i believe he was ranked higher than navarro...he was a key piece of the deal that got them sexson

Going by Baseball America - if I recall correctly - Hanley Ramirez was the only Sox prospect ranked higher than Navarro. I could be wrong though...

[WakefieldsCrewSox]

Originally posted by flutie22

Jorge De La Rosa- i believe he was ranked higher than navarro...he was a key piece of the deal that got them sexson

Thank you flutie, that was my only point. I am not commenting at all on the current DBacks/Yanks deal potentially in process, just the label of "song and dance"- it got them Sexson, thats all im saying.

[Irony Of It All]

Originally posted by WakefieldsCrewSox


Thank you flutie, that was my only point. I am not commenting at all on the current DBacks/Yanks deal potentially in process, just the label of "song and dance"- it got them Sexson, thats all im saying.

Sorry about that but I have a problem with the original posters claims about the RJ trade and I was wondering if he felt the same way about the Schilling trade since it's arguable they gave up less than the Yankees will.

[AhhhGuinness]

Originally posted by Irony Of It All


So basically you're making a broad generalization about Yankee fans and you're pissed that Johnson prefers to go to the Yankees. Did I get that right?

I'm curious if you were also pissed when the Red Sox got Schilling for a song and a dance or is that OK?

I base my generalization on all of the Yankees fans I know in the central CT area. Maybe in NY, Yankees fans are a little different???

As for RJ, I guess I just don't get why he only wants to go to the Yankees, to me that's not really "earning" a championship trophy since they are the still the favorites despite their rocky starting pitching situation.
I respect the athletes who want to topple the best to be the best. Athletes who want the easy way out don't do much for me.

Not sure how the Schilling trade has anything to do with this. Nobody forced the D-Backs to trade Schilling, it was a deal they willingly sought out as long as Curt was OK with moving. It's not as if other teams were offering Dodger-like packages and the Diamondbacks said no, thanks. I'll take this awful package from Boston.