Which player do you dislike the most?

[rock]

There seems to be a lot of player bashing these days, so I thought we'd have a little fun. :)

[jojos_2]

So many to choose from...hmmm. I'm going to go w/ Carlsaurus. I just can't stand him. :mad: Also, he did break up :moose:'s bid for a perfecto...:o

[penguin4]

There are certainly many guys worse than him to choose from on that list, but my vote has goes to Cal Ripken... for Major League Baseball and its fans' incessant willingness to turn a blind eye to any of this guy's faults; to continue to treat him as the sole "saviour" of our National Pasttime, as though he were baseball's personal Jesus. That will keep him at the top of my list for quite some time, I think.

But Armando Benitez comes pretty damn close (though that's my own personal bias....). As does Everjerk. And Ichiro SUZUKI (yes, people he *does* have a last name -- we civilized folk do!!) would've been way high up at this time last year, because I find him incredibly overrated; however, as I predicted, he hasn't received nearly as much attention this season as last, and this downward shift from the spotlight (that'll probably continue) has caused him to move downward on my list.

Can we add the Rally Monkey to the poll? PLEASE???

[WindRavenX]

Man, I hate so many of those guys.
But if I HAD to pick the one that grates my nerves the most, I'd say Barry Bonds. Seeing him just nonchalantly walking around the bases after his HRs in the WS pissed me off- especially when he stood still and admired his HRs with his team down by a large margin.
Yes, he's an ass......
After that, I'd say Carl Everett...

[Slippery Elm]

I assume Bonds and Carlosaurus will be neck and neck, with Ripken a distant third.

[Yankchic22]

UUU got my vote, for his annoying dances on the mound.

[Rocketman]

Oh boy, so many good choices!!!!!!

I was salivating as I read the list.

I thought Everett immediately, because I hate his guts to such an extent, but then I saw Ichiro! and I wanted to break his little skinny neck. Then I saw Cal Ripken, the egotistical moron who contributed IN REALITY about THIS much to the baseball world while garnering more recognition than many more important baseball achievements. Then I saw Rocker and felt like teaching him a lesson in the positive qualities of ethnic diversity with my fist, but then... but THEN, I saw Ugueth U. Urbina's name.

And that's where I stopped.

I am not joking when I say he literally fumes me up when I watch his little theatrical antics. I get all hot inside and my adrenaline kicks in... my body temperature feels like it's skyrocketing as I clench my fists and gnash my teeth in both disgust and anxious anticipation at the sight of his blood.

OK, maybe I don't hate his THAT badly, but it's close.

Anyway, he disgusts me - Urbina is nothing more than a showoff loudmouth who needs to be taught a lesson in humility by the Yankee sluggers next year again and again and again and again.

[Jersey Yankee]

Jeff Nelson. Taking your ex-manager to task over an ASG selection, especially when Mo is one of the relievers selected, is so far from Kosher, it's practically unconscionable!!!

All the others are at least top-rated, but Nellie's star has fallen somewhat recently. His fake-to-3B, fake-to-1B move needs to be nuked somewhere!!!

Of all the players, he'd be the only one who people debated as to whether or not he should be kept or brought back. When someone's such a 1st class a-hole, he shouldn't be so close to home!!!

[silverdsl]

For me it's a tie between Carl Everett and John Rocker. They've done too many icky things on and off the field for me to like them. And both haven't played too well lately either. Otherwise, I don't have too much of a problem with most of the other players on the list.

-Deborah

[Hitman23]

I hate alot of those players but I'm confused as to why Ripken, A-Rod, Piazza, and Ichiro are on there.

Anyway, my pick is other. Armando Benitez. Can't stand the guy for what he did to Tino.

[Sascha]

Don't know. Can't like Suzuki (and the Ichiro-mania) and the big diva from San Fran, Barry Bonds.


But I really don't know, why A-Rod is and should be on the list. Because he is the best hitter in the AL and took the money he was given by Texas? :o
Uncomparable to Rocker, Everett or some others.

[deranged2005]

UUU, Pedro, Ichiro, and Barry Bonds.

[staticm]

had to go with everett, but the only guy on that list i can't find fault is ichiro.

no, he shouldnt have been the mvp in 2001, but he has shown nothing but reverence and respect for the game of baseball, the media, fans, etc.

he didn't create the hype, the media did. From everything i've read about him, he's a really nice guy.

[smr15]

I also don't understand the Ichiro bashing.
He's a very good ballplayer, and he's not an asshole.

Now, Carl Everett is an asshole and gets my vote.

[yeahimweird]

Hmmmm.

Carl EveRAT-He's an asswipe and broke up Moose's perfecto. More because he's an asswipe then anything else.

Peedro-He's a whiny bitch.

Armando Benitez-Still not forgiven from what he did to Tino.

UUU-His antics are so annoying and childish. I took great pleasure seeing him blow a save in person. :D

Barry Bonds- Three words: 'ME ME ME'.


~Tracy~

[sanfranciscojetergirl]

I voted for other and that other is the Rally Monkey!!!

[Coney36]

For reasons I'm not quite sure of myself, Manny Ramirez irritates the daylights out of me. Benitez comes in second, just because of you-know-who...:D

[caroline331]

pedro (just cause he's a whiner)
bonds (cause he's conceited)
everett (for what he did to :moose:)

[PinstripePride]

Carl the dinosaur. He's a racist, a jerk and he thinks he's good. Rocker is next on the list, he's another racist bastid. :finger1

ENJOY TEXASS! :P

BTW: Rockers ERA at the end of this year was 6.66....that dudes career went down the tubes fast! Woohoo! :evil:

[Yankees Empire]

Originally posted by sanfranciscojetergirl
I voted for other and that other is the Rally Monkey!!!

:lol: :lol:

I voted for Barry Bonds, probably the single most arrogant person in American sports today. He can take is personal recliner and his personal big screen TV and stick them where the sun don't shine.

I laughed my butt off when he botched those plays in the outfield during Game 6 of the World Series. Geez, Barry. God forbid you think about DIVING for the ball! I know you'd never think about showing some HUSTLE out there! It would be a terrible thing if you got your uniform dirty!!

What a jackass! I know a number of people who could probably hit 73 HRs if they crowded the plate wearing a piece of calvary barding on there arm!

Oh, and never mind Game 7 of the 1991 NLCS vs. Atlanta when he couldn't throw out Sid (Mr. Molasses) Bream at home with a throw from deep shortstop.

Barry Bonds= putz

[nybabygurl2]

Originally posted by jojos_2
So many to choose from...hmmm. I'm going to go w/ Carlsaurus. I just can't stand him. :mad: Also, he did break up :moose:'s bid for a perfecto...:o

Ditto, JoJo. :o

[Jersey Yankee]

Originally posted by smr15
I also don't understand the Ichiro bashing.
He's a very good ballplayer, and he's not an asshole.Let him put his last name on his uni like everyone else. Not everyone in Japan in named "Suzuki", but I'm sure that Teddy Ballgame put the name "Williams" on the back of his jersey, desipte that being a common name in Japan.

I mean respect f/the Japanese is one thing, but let's not change the rules f/one player. It should read "Suzuki", just as his teammates' jerseys read "Cameron", "Boone", "Garcia", etc. Many Hispanics are named "Martinez", "Domingues" or "Rodriguez", but those players still wear that on their jerseys.

[staticm]

"ichiro" on the back of the jersey is seattle mariner's marketing. They sell a lot of ICHIRO jerseys in japan I'm sure, and over there, it WOULD be confusing if it just said SUZUKI (or at least not as saleable).

[NYYFAN]

Pedro...THANKS BARRY!!! :D :lol:

[Soriambi]

I voted for....actually to tell you the absolute truth, I've forgotten between the poll and the message. :o :lol::lol: I think it was Urbina, but It might have been Pedro or Everett. I hate all three of them about equally, which is confusing me. A few questions about the players on the list. Why Cal Ripken? He's nothing but a class act and a pretty damn good ballpalayer as well. Why Ichiro? He doesn't bring the hype upon himself. I don't even know why he's on the list. So those are the two, Ichiro and Cal that I wouldn't see why everyone would hate. Now that I think of it, I'm pretty sure it was Ugi....or was it Everett? :lol: If I had three votes it would be for those three. :lol:

[jojos_2]

Originally posted by sanfranciscojetergirl
I voted for other and that other is the Rally Monkey!!!

Hey, Felicia...

http://users.telenet.be/eforum/emoticons4u/animal/1128.gif

:evil: :bad: :D :lol:

[Slippery Elm]

I am surprised so far Pedro and Carlosaurus are tied and lead Barroids.


Of course some people, if given a choice between Osama, Saddam, O. J. Simpson, Satan himself, and Jeff Nelson, would choose Nelson. :rolleyes:


Just had a thought. . . almost all those guys are better than half the hoods in the the NBA. You read the latest that the Knicks got Nailon so cheap because he repeatedly cursed at and abused et coach Paul Silas and their VP for complaining aboiut his lousy attitude and work ethic.

[Stealthspy]

Originally posted by jojos_2


Hey, Felicia...

http://users.telenet.be/eforum/emoticons4u/animal/1128.gif

:evil: :bad: :D :lol: That's a little more severe than decapitation....:lol: :P

[jojos_2]

Originally posted by Stealthspy
That's a little more severe than decapitation....:lol: :P

I know Mitchell. :D

:lol:

[bagger015]

:barf: Everat with Benitez a very close second :barf:

[DJeter1287]

Barry "arogant-egotistical" Bonds. I was happy to see him lose that WS..you know he never would have shut his big steriod taking mouth if he won.

[cb2u]

Originally posted by yeahimweird


Carl EveRAT-He's an asswipe and broke up Moose's perfecto.
Ditto!

[Slippery Elm]

I think Moo Vaughn should be on the list. With the Mets and Angels he was a malcontent and malingerer; a clubhouse cancer who mouthed off insulting the Angels and Percival this Spring. With the Mets he came into camp in ST out of shape and put on weight all year showing no pride in himself or respect for others. He embarrassed himself in the field repeatedly and ended up a bloated 300 pound roadblock at first.

[penguin4]

I'm sorry, but you can taunt and bitch and moan about bastardly players all you want (though I beg to differ in the case of Schilling but that's beside the point), but I'd never wish a rare disease on any of them -- and ESPECIALLY not their families. That's just going a step too far for me.

It's like all those people who, right after Lord Cal did that Pepsi (or was it Coke?) commercial last fall, called his daughter, who made an appearance, a "spoiled, rich little brat." Even if it's in jest, I just find that incredibly uncalled for, unless it had basis.

Take a page from the mafia, why don't you? They kill as many of their enemies as they want, but even they observe the "etiquette" not to lay a finger on the wife and kids.

[Bern Baby Be]

Why is Alex Rodriguez on the list? Because he makes the most money? Come on. Anyone else would have taken the money if someone was crazy enought to offer it.

[Soriambi]

Originally posted by penguin4
I'm sorry, but you can taunt and bitch and moan about bastardly players all you want (though I beg to differ in the case of Schilling but that's beside the point), but I'd never wish a rare disease on any of them -- and ESPECIALLY not their families. That's just going a step too far for me.

It's like all those people who, right after Lord Cal did that Pepsi (or was it Coke?) commercial last fall, called his daughter, who made an appearance, a "spoiled, rich little brat." Even if it's in jest, I just find that incredibly uncalled for, unless it had basis.

Take a page from the mafia, why don't you? They kill as many of their enemies as they want, but even they observe the "etiquette" not to lay a finger on the wife and kids.

Well said and I agree. What's your problem with Schilling anyway?

[DJeter1287]

Originally posted by jojos_2


Hey, Felicia...

http://users.telenet.be/eforum/emoticons4u/animal/1128.gif

:evil: :bad: :D :lol:

ahh..the memories..the WS that YOUR GIANTS lost :P

:lol:

[CF#5]

POST CENSORED (Am I allowed to use that word here?)

[BobbyMurcerFan]

Originally posted by CF#5
...Specifically, it stems from him not respecting the Yankees' history, tradition, mystique, and aura. And he had the gaul to name his kid Gehrig. I wonder if that's what they actually call him. I hope that kid gets his head POST EDITED IN A RARE DISPLAY OF SELF-CENSORSHIP. For this and all the other stuff you said about Curt's family: :finger2: :finger2: :finger2: :barf: :mad:

[BobbyMurcerFan]

I picked Rocker because not only does he seem like an a$$hole who I would not like to ever be around, but he can't pitch well anymore. Say whatever you want about Barry, Pedro and most of the other guys on that list, they can play.

[jojos_2]

Originally posted by DJeter1287


ahh..the memories..the WS that YOUR GIANTS lost :P

:lol:

Why does everyone keep calling them MY Giants! :o :lol: I was just cheering for them b/c I don't like the Angels, I was and never will be a Giants fan though. :P

[rock]

I'm surprised that no one has voted for Piazza with the handling of the 2 Clemens incidents, the press conferences, the gay thing, etc.

[Soriambi]

Originally posted by CF#5
I think fascists like Bill O'Reilly would frown upon using the mafia as a model for proper etiquette and behavior.I'm a sore loser. Specifically, it stems from him not respecting the Yankees' history, tradition, mystique, and aura. And he had the gaul to name his kid Gehrig. I wonder if that's what they actually call him. I hope that kid gets his head POST EDITED IN A RARE DISPLAY OF SELF-CENSORSHIP.

I'm offended by this, to be honest. What's wrong with naming his kid Gehrig? Geez. Just cause we lost to the guy (we didn't really in Game 7, we beat him if it ended when he left) doesn't mean he or his family should die no matter how sore a loser you are. I don't wish death, even upon guys like John Rocker, Carl Everett, or Pedro Martinez. Why you would even post something this disgusting is beyond me.

[CF#5]

Just finishing the job that you started.

[Soriambi]

Originally posted by CF#5
Because it's how I really feel. Sorry you disagree. I will not bite my lip for the sake of political correctness and being "nice" to everyone.

You honestly want a baseball player and his FAMILY to DIE because the Diamondbacks beat us in a Baseball GAME? You would wish DEATH upon a guy, who by all accounts seems to be a decent guy, because he got a NO DECISION in a game that his team won. I'm sorry, but this is taking sports and the Yankees a bit too far. I love the Yankees as much as the next guy, but that is Schilling's JOB. He is PAID to beat US. I don't understand why you would want a man dead over a game. :( :confused:

Also, if you'd like to repond to this, I ask that you do it in PM form. I would rather this thread not turn into a war between us and that it could get back on topic.

[patrick.o]

Originally posted by Soriambi
Also, if you'd like to repond to this, I ask that you do it in PM form. I would rather this thread not turn into a war between us and that it could get back on topic.
That is a spectacular idea.

And since we're back on topic, I can't really say I "hate" any player, but out of the players listed I do have a dislike for Pedro. He's unbelievably good at what he does, but his attitude really puts me off. He's kind of snotty and arrogant and those are two qualities I hate in people.

[Soriambi]

Originally posted by patrick.o

That is a spectacular idea.

And since we're back on topic, I can't really say I "hate" any player, but out of the players listed I do have a dislike for Pedro. He's unbelievably good at what he does, but his attitude really puts me off. He's kind of snotty and arrogant and those are two qualities I hate in people.

Exactly. It's kind of like Bonds, but I think he's even worse. Bonds doesn't bother me quite as much as he seems to most people, but Pedro really does. Maybe just because he's a Red Sock. :P :lol:

[WindRavenX]

Originally posted by Bern Baby Be
Why is Alex Rodriguez on the list? Because he makes the most money? Come on. Anyone else would have taken the money if someone was crazy enought to offer it.
I don't think a lot of people dislike ARod because of the money thing. It has to do with dissing on his bud DJ for several comments that he made along the lines of "I'm better than he is so I don't expect DJ to get as much money as me". While it's clear ARod IS better than DJ, you don't diss your pal like that, IMHO.

[Slippery Elm]

Originally posted by Soriambi


You honestly want a baseball player and his FAMILY to DIE because the Diamondbacks beat us in a Baseball GAME? You would wish DEATH upon a guy, who by all accounts seems to be a decent guy, because he got a NO DECISION in a game that his team won. . .

That from the guy who called Bill O'Reilly "a fascist". :O

[djhitman01]

Just voted for Crazy Carl, his crotch grabbing against Jamie Moyer in 2001 was the most classless act ive seen on the field.

[backstop20]

Roberto Alomar

http://www.pubdim.net/baseballlibrary/ballplayers/A/Alomar_Roberto.stm

» September 27, 1996: After being ejected for arguing a strike call in the 1st inning of Baltimore's game against the Blue Jays, Orioles' 2B Roberto Alomar spits in the face of umpire John Hirschbeck. Alomar claims he was provoked by Hirschbeck, but the incident will set off a national debate. After the game, Alomar remarks, I used to respect him a lot. He had problems with his family when his son died—I know that's something real tough in life—but after that he just changed, personality-wise. He just got real bitter." When the ump hears about the remarks tomorrow he will charge into the Orioles locker room and have to be restrained by fellow ump Joyce.

And MLB for handing down a lenient five-game suspension, which wasn't served until the beginning of the following season.

[DJeter1287]

Originally posted by jojos_2


Why does everyone keep calling them MY Giants! :o :lol: I was just cheering for them b/c I don't like the Angels, I was and never will be a Giants fan though. :P

That's what they all say JoJo..before we know it you'll be clapping your San Fran Giants Thunderstix!! :P ;)

[patrick.o]

Originally posted by backstop20
Roberto Alomar
Not only did Alomar and Hirschbeck make up, they have become friends and each do a lot of work for the others charity. At the time I thought Alomar should have been suspended immediately (the suspension didn't start until the next season began, instead of during the playoffs) and for at least a month, but if Hirschbeck can forgive him and move on, so can I.

[jojos_2]

Originally posted by DJeter1287


That's what they all say JoJo..before we know it you'll be clapping your San Fran Giants Thunderstix!! :P ;)

Nooooooo, never! :lol: I. am. not. a. San. Francisco. Giants. fan. and. never. will. be. :P Also, thundersticks are evil.

[backstop20]

Originally posted by patrick.o

Not only did Alomar and Hirschbeck make up, they have become friends and each do a lot of work for the others charity. At the time I thought Alomar should have been suspended immediately (the suspension didn't start until the next season began, instead of during the playoffs) and for at least a month, but if Hirschbeck can forgive him and move on, so can I.

I know they've made up, but whenever I see or hear his name that incident pops into my head.

[DJeter1287]

Originally posted by jojos_2


Nooooooo, never! :lol: I. am. not. a. San. Francisco. Giants. fan. and. never. will. be. :P Also, thundersticks are evil.

JoJo..you are in DENIAL!

[Hitman23]

I'm glad to see nobody voted for Piazza or A-Rod. :)

[Soriambi]

Originally posted by DJeter1287


JoJo..you are in DENIAL!

JoJo's not a Giant fan. She jusy hates the Angels, like the rest of us "normal" people, so lay off Jess. J/K ;) :p

[Shel]

Which player do I dislike the most? Among the players listed, Pedro Martinez. Carl Everett and Cal Ripken follow closely behind.

Originally posted by backstop20
Roberto Alomar

And MLB for handing down a lenient five-game suspension, which wasn't served until the beginning of the following season. That "punishment" was ridiculously inadequate. But the two people involved in that incident 6 years ago have successfully put the incident behind them. So, too, should everyone else.

Hirschbeck, Alomar Have Become Friends
Spat-upon ump pays visit, calls him "good person"
Baltimore Sun 10/12/99 [EXCERPT]

Umpire John Hirschbeck attended Game 1 of the American League Division Series between the Cleveland Indians and Boston Red Sox at Jacobs Field. Believe it or not, he was there to watch one of his friends, Indians second baseman Roberto Alomar.

"It just goes to show you what two people can do when they put their minds to it," Hirschbeck told the Boston Globe.

..."I still perceive him as a good person." Hirschbeck said of Roberto. "He said he regrets what he did and that he's sorry. Hey, if you're not big enough to forgive somebody, you've got more problems than you realize."Score One for Friendship
Baltimore Sun 10/27/99 [EXCERPT]

The start of the Sept. 5 game between the Orioles and Cleveland Indians was delayed 89 minutes by rain. Denise Hirschbeck and her three children rode down an elevator to the sub-concourse level at Camden Yards, in search of her husband, John, and a new family friend, Indians second baseman Roberto Alomar.

John Hirschbeck was in the umpires' room, waiting out the delay. His wife and children were visiting from Poland, Ohio. He led them to a hallway outside the visitors' clubhouse, and asked an Indians player to summon Alomar.

..."Everyone is human. We all make errors," Denise Hirschbeck said of the spitting incident. "If that's the worst thing Robbie ever does in his life, I don't think he's all that bad."

..."I don't see why he should be booed," Hirschbeck said. "If he and I can forgive and forget, why not everyone else?"Now Friends: Hirschbeck and Alomar
Associated Press, 5/15/2000 [EXCERPT]

Thirteen-year-old Michael Hirschbeck quickly slipped on his Cleveland Indians' bat boy uniform and went looking for his friend, Roberto Alomar.

"He came up and gave me a hug," Alomar said.

Four years ago, when Alomar was with the Baltimore Orioles, he spat in the face of Michael's father, umpire John Hirschbeck, in a fit of rage at being called out on strikes.

Now, a hug symbolizes the bonds shared by two men who have not only put an ugly moment behind them but become friends, while fighting a deadly brain disease that afflicts young Michael....
"If he and I can forgive and forget, why not everyone else?" ~John Hirschbeck Why not indeed?

[Hitman23]

Originally posted by Shel
That "punishment" was ridiculously inadequate. But the two people involved in that incident 6 years ago have successfully put the incident behind them. So, too, should everyone else.

I agree. He should have been suspended for the playoffs.

thanks for posting those clips. I didn't know they made up.

[NJ Fan]

From what I can recall, not only did he spit in Hirschbeck's face, but he taunted him about a son he had just lost. So, after they made up, Alomar has been a contributor to the cause which took the life of Hirschbeck's son.

I still can't stand Robbie though....can't get past that.

[penguin4]

So far as I know and what I've heard, the Alomar fiasco was an isolated incident, that he hadn't done anything like that before, and he hasn't since.

And if I recall, what bothered me more about it was not what Robbie did but how MLB handled it. That was still the age where people got a slap on the wrist no matter what the offence. And Alomar's punishment, while he should've been suspended for a month and missed the entire playoffs, instead he got three measely games at the beginning of the next season. Which opened the door for him to be the hero in the ALDS against Cleveland that put the Orioles into the League Championship series. Had he not been playing, the yankees would've faced Cleveland in 1996. (Though I think it was much sweeter seeing them beat the crap out of Baltimore...)

[patrick.o]

Originally posted by penguin4
...what bothered me more about it was not what Robbie did but how MLB handled it......while he should've been suspended for a month and missed the entire playoffs, instead he got three measely games at the beginning of the next season....
Ugh, that drove me nuts. MLB actually said that they didn't suspend him for the playoffs because there was no precident for such a thing!! How ridiculous is that?!?!? How about SETTING a precident?? I've gotten over my disdain for Alomar, but MLB's lack of action still pisses me off.....

And besides that out of character incident, Alomar has always been a pretty solid citizen. I remember Sandy had him in tears shortly after the whole thing, shaming him for tarnishing whole family.

[jojos_2]

Originally posted by Soriambi


JoJo's not a Giant fan. She just hates the Angels, like the rest of us "normal" people, so lay off Jess. J/K ;) :p

Exactly. I am a Yankees fan and a Yankees fan only. Always have been, always will be. :D Thanks for sticking up for me Kev. ;)

[Shel]

Originally posted by penguin4
And if I recall, what bothered me more about it was not what Robbie did but how MLB handled it. That was still the age where people got a slap on the wrist no matter what the offence. And Alomar's punishment, while he should've been suspended for a month and missed the entire playoffs, instead he got three measely games at the beginning of the next season.Originally posted by patrick.o
Ugh, that drove me nuts. MLB actually said that they didn't suspend him for the playoffs because there was no precident for such a thing!! How ridiculous is that?!?!? How about SETTING a precident?? I've gotten over my disdain for Alomar, but MLB's lack of action still pisses me off.....Initially, MLB wanted to suspend Alomar for the rest of the regular season (which was only 3 or 4 games). But the Orioles front office convinced Alomar to appeal the suspension, which meant that the suspension had to be delayed until after some sort of appeal hearing. That enabled Alomar to finish the regular season. (And my Oriole fan friends wonder why I've never respected the Baltimore organization!) Since MLB would not suspend him for the playoffs -- which was totally ridiculous -- Alomar dropped his appeal and served his 5-game suspension at the beginning of the 1997 season.

Originally posted by NJ Fan
I still can't stand Robbie though....can't get past that. There are many reasons to dislike Roberto Alomar -- he's a somewhat selfish player, he's very high-maintenance, he's a Met -- but the incident involving him and John Hirschbeck really shouldn't be at the top of the list six years after the fact.

I was just thinking that perhaps Baltimore's Willis Roberts :barf: could have been included in this poll.

[NJ Fan]

Shel-

Yeah--Roberts----he's a jerk too. That pompous attitude.....that smirk---yuck!

In my last comment, I meant that I can't stand Robbie anyway----not for the incident which has since been resolved, but because of all the points you made. He is selfish and high-maintenance.

[b-ball-lunachick]

Originally posted by penguin4


But Armando Benitez comes pretty damn close...

Can we add the Rally Monkey to the poll? PLEASE???

aww, I have a soft spot for the Monkey penny! :D but thanks for reminding me about Benitez -- I voted before I thought of him but would have voted him if he was listed...ugh...

[b-ball-lunachick]

Originally posted by CF#5
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Originally posted by CF#5
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I realize I'm giving you the attention you are probably craving, but this is a disgusting post -- what kind of person posts garbage like this? Do you really feel that way? I can't even imagine what you posted that you would want to happen to his son's head that you censored..Guess you don't believe in karma...

I really don't have any clue what is acceptable on this board anymore and what isn't...how is this not against one of the community standards? and if it wasn't before, can we make it against them?

[Jim F.]

Lunachick,

You are not aware of the actions that were taken in regard to these comments, so it could very well seem as if they were being overlooked. I assure you they were not. However, it was an oversight on our part to not remove the inappropriate comments from the thread. That has been done now.

Thanks for bringing this to my (our) attention. We (I) can't possibly read every post, and constantly be aware of what is posted and/or removed, so we depend on input from the community like that to alert us to posts that may have fallen through the cracks. That's why there is a "Report This Post..." link beneath every post.

-jim

[DJeter1287]

Originally posted by Soriambi


JoJo's not a Giant fan. She jusy hates the Angels, like the rest of us "normal" people, so lay off Jess. J/K ;) :p

Hey everyone..it's the other Giants thunderstix owner! :);) :D

[Soriambi]

Originally posted by DJeter1287


Hey everyone..it's the other Giants thunderstix owner! :);) :D

:mad: :P :lol:

[DJeter1287]

Originally posted by Soriambi


:mad: :P :lol:

:lol: Sorry Kev..didn't mean to call you a Giants fan..oh wait..Just KIDDING! I DID! :) ;)

[patrick.o]

I see Benitez was mentioned. Now there's a dude I can't stand. If he was on the list he would have gotten my vote over Pedro. Even though that incident was years ago, I still can't get past it. Every time I see that dude I just think, "PUNK". That was one of the dirtiest and most cowardly beanings I've ever seen. I only wish Straw would have gotten a better hold of him....

[# 21 Forever]

My first inclination was to vote for Pizza Boy. However, I have to admit that as much as I dislike him, I dislike John Rocker even more. So my vote went to that bigot, John Rocker.

[CF#5]

my answer to this question is curt schilling

he is the player i "hate" the most

[DON'T KNOCK THE ROCK]

1. Barry Bonds - All-Time Most Hated!
2. Ken Griffey, Jr. - For his "Me, Me, Me" attitude like Bonds.
3. Michael Jordan - Too much exposure. Sick of him.
4. Kenny Lofton - Big Crybaby
5 . Dave Winfield - good old GDP was a big choke.
6. Randy Winn - not for any attitude problem but simply because he refuses to make out against the Yankees like he's supposed to.


Note: Can't understand why Ichiro and ARod are on this list even though Ichiro bordered on being overexposed his first season. He's good and not annoying like, say, Bonds is. ARod is the best player in baseball and is not obnoxious like Steroid Bonds is.

Carl Everett isn't good enough to really be hated. He strikes out a lot which is a good thing. Good Carl!

[Slippery Elm]

Originally posted by DON'T KNOCK THE ROCK

5 . Dave Winfield - good old GDP was a big choke.


I saw that jerk continuously try to pull outside curve balls and hit into constant 4-6-3 DP's. :barf:

[montyque]

Why in god's name was Manny Ramirez not on this list? I voted for Pedro, which was just as good of a vote. Wounds are still fresh.

I don't really hate any of those guys though, except for Pedro and Rocker. Actually, some of them I really like... some of them I could give a crap about.

[ROE]

Bonds
Rocker
Pedro.
In that order...

[Yankee Bulldawg]

Barry Bonds
Pedro Martinez
Manny Ramirez

[ring403]

Originally posted by montyque
Why in god's name was Manny Ramirez not on this list?

This thread is a year old.

[Rich]

Originally posted by ring403


This thread is a year old.

:lol:

[montyque]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Ah, I see! That would make more sense. I was wondering why people were bad-mouthing Jeff Nelson! Ha!

Wait, I'm looking back and I see that I was the first person this year to post in this thread... so why was the thread there on the first page of "around the majors?"

[derekjeter916]

PEDRO PEDRO PEDRO PEDRO PEDRO PEDRO.

I will hate him forever. He's completely classless and too stupid to know it.

[ACPS]

Cal Ripkin. :D

[destiny0o2]

Originally posted by Rich


:lol:


:lol:


Haha!!


Well.. obviously.. i HATE pedro with a freaking passion! :)

[RYANSIC04]

I voted for Bonds. I pray that he doesn't get more than 714 home runs after the crap he talked about Babe Ruth.. the reason baseball is what it is today. Talk about a lack of respect.

[RYANSIC04]

Originally posted by Soriambi


Bonds doesn't bother me quite as much as he seems to most people

Bonds bothers me perhaps more than any player bothers any human being in the entire world.

1. He was a lanky, free-swinging Alfonso Soriano-clone early in his career (stats and body size). If you look at any of his old baseball cards, he was 190 lbs.. that's smaller than me (5-11, 200) and I'm just an average-sized guy, more or less. Which leads me to...

1a. Over the years, and particularly after 1999, I feel that he began using steroids, human growth hormone, or SOME sort of performance-enhancing drug. In 99 he batted .262 and probably felt his career was tapering off.. the following season he obviously gets a lot bigger, belts a career high 49 homers, and tops that in 2001 with 73. To make matters worse, he bats .370 the season after that. Now, considering he was a .250 hitter for the first 4 years into his career, do you think it's possible he got THAT much better on his own to raise his average to .370? Considering he was about the same type of player as Soriano, do you think Soriano will ever weigh 240 lbs, and bat .370 with 73 homers? No, of course he won't. Unless he gets some "help". I know I have no proof of this, it's just a hunch.. but I bet it becomes more than a hunch in the coming weeks or months.

2. Like I said in an earlier post, he disrespected Babe Ruth.

3. Nearly disrespected Willie Mays. When Bonds signed with San Fran, his favorite number 24 was already retired by his godfather Willie Mays. Bonds asked Willie if he could wear it, then WISELY decided to wear his father's 25 instead. My guess is, it was his father's idea to not wear #24.

4. Most importantly, he is a showoff. I get so absolutely pissed off when he hits a moonshot off some 21 year old kid (or 30 year old veteran alike) and doesn't leave the batters box until it has landed. I really and truly think this is the worst kind of sportsmanship known to man. Remember when Mondesi homered off Tampa Bay, and watched it land, and Torre admonished him for it?? Remember when Paul O'Neill used to smash them into the upper deck, but as soon as he hit it, he would put his head down and run?? That's true sportsmanship. (Just for the record, I actually did see Bonds NOT pimp out a homer once last season, when he hit it off Curt Schilling. He probably knew that Schilling would earhole him next time he got up to bat.. Schilling's not some rookie Bonds can intimidate.

4a. Last season, Bonds was at-bat in a crucial part of the game, with the bases loaded, with a rookie pitcher on the mound, and the rookie got him out to end the inning. This rookie, I can't remember who it was, was naturally excited and kind of shook his fist in excitement as he ran off the mound. Bonds later said "I'm going to teach that boy some respect" or something along those lines. Are you kidding? You are the ultimate in disrespect, Barry Bonds.

I have more.. but I'm at work right now and I'm so worked up just thinking about Bonds that I want to put my head through the monitor!! Sorry to everyone for ranting and raving.. I just really despise this guy.

[35Knucklecurve]

Geez, I'm having a tough time choosing between Bonds and Pedro.
I have disliked both of them for a long time. Both of them have made
some of the most arrogant, ignorant statements I have ever heard
from a professional athlete

I'd like to "write in" one more - Carl Bleepin' Everett. He broke up
Mike's perfect game and then proceeded to act like an idiot (which
he apparently is) on first base. I got the chance to pay him back
in Cleveland....scared the living crap outta him. :evil:

[25Giambi25]

Hmmmm-----I wonder if people's opinions have changed between this year and last year. Probably not too much but Man Ram definitely needs to be on that list!

[sanfranciscojetergirl]

Originally posted by RYANSIC04


Bonds bothers me perhaps more than any player bothers any human being in the entire world.

1. He was a lanky, free-swinging Alfonso Soriano-clone early in his career (stats and body size). If you look at any of his old baseball cards, he was 190 lbs.. that's smaller than me (5-11, 200) and I'm just an average-sized guy, more or less. Which leads me to...

1a. Over the years, and particularly after 1999, I feel that he began using steroids, human growth hormone, or SOME sort of performance-enhancing drug. In 99 he batted .262 and probably felt his career was tapering off.. the following season he obviously gets a lot bigger, belts a career high 49 homers, and tops that in 2001 with 73. To make matters worse, he bats .370 the season after that. Now, considering he was a .250 hitter for the first 4 years into his career, do you think it's possible he got THAT much better on his own to raise his average to .370? Considering he was about the same type of player as Soriano, do you think Soriano will ever weigh 240 lbs, and bat .370 with 73 homers? No, of course he won't. Unless he gets some "help". I know I have no proof of this, it's just a hunch.. but I bet it becomes more than a hunch in the coming weeks or months.

2. Like I said in an earlier post, he disrespected Babe Ruth.

3. Nearly disrespected Willie Mays. When Bonds signed with San Fran, his favorite number 24 was already retired by his godfather Willie Mays. Bonds asked Willie if he could wear it, then WISELY decided to wear his father's 25 instead. My guess is, it was his father's idea to not wear #24.

4. Most importantly, he is a showoff. I get so absolutely pissed off when he hits a moonshot off some 21 year old kid (or 30 year old veteran alike) and doesn't leave the batters box until it has landed. I really and truly think this is the worst kind of sportsmanship known to man. Remember when Mondesi homered off Tampa Bay, and watched it land, and Torre admonished him for it?? Remember when Paul O'Neill used to smash them into the upper deck, but as soon as he hit it, he would put his head down and run?? That's true sportsmanship. (Just for the record, I actually did see Bonds NOT pimp out a homer once last season, when he hit it off Curt Schilling. He probably knew that Schilling would earhole him next time he got up to bat.. Schilling's not some rookie Bonds can intimidate.

4a. Last season, Bonds was at-bat in a crucial part of the game, with the bases loaded, with a rookie pitcher on the mound, and the rookie got him out to end the inning. This rookie, I can't remember who it was, was naturally excited and kind of shook his fist in excitement as he ran off the mound. Bonds later said "I'm going to teach that boy some respect" or something along those lines. Are you kidding? You are the ultimate in disrespect, Barry Bonds.

I have more.. but I'm at work right now and I'm so worked up just thinking about Bonds that I want to put my head through the monitor!! Sorry to everyone for ranting and raving.. I just really despise this guy.


I am sorry but I am going to disagree with you on # 3. Barry wanted to wear is Godfather's number as a respect to him.

Here is a man who lost his father and after about week came back to play stating that the team need him.

You may not like him but have to respect his game.

[Yanks4eva1]

Pedro Martinez is enemy number one. I really can't stand that cockroach.

Dee

[RYANSIC04]

Originally posted by sanfranciscojetergirl



I am sorry but I am going to disagree with you on # 3. Barry wanted to wear is Godfather's number as a respect to him.

Here is a man who lost his father and after about week came back to play stating that the team need him.

You may not like him but have to respect his game.

You don't have to agree, it's just my opinion. And I respect the fact that he came back a week after his father passed away, but don't forget Bernie Williams and most other ballplayers do the same.

[StaceyRosie]

I loathe Barry Bonds. People lose loved ones everyday and yes I felt bad when his father died but that doesn't take away from the fact that he's a jackass. And he's always been a jackass and I hate that someone like him holds the single season HR record.

[Don Mack]

The one guy I hate first and foremost is the arrogant Barry Bonds who by the way, has never won a World Series ring.

Almost tied with Bonds is Pedro Martinez for all the batters he's hit and then acts like he didn't do it on purpose. He has never won a World Series ring either.

Jeff Weaver is my third most hated player because he sucks and still thinks he's good. He also has an attitude like the two above.

[ACPS]

Wow, nobody voted for Mike Piazza.

[PettittesPrincess]

Anyone not in pinstripes... but I had to go with Pedro... immature tool. I can't believe Barry got that many votes.

[Jody]

Pedro Martinez, he shows no respect.

[GoBernie]

This is a hard one - so many good ones to choose from. For me it's a tie - Carl and Pedro. Yuck.

[bosoxfan]

Originally posted by PettittesPrincess
Anyone not in pinstripes... but I had to go with Pedro... immature tool. I can't believe Barry got that many votes.
do you like clemens? did you before he joined the yanks?

[PettittesPrincess]

Originally posted by bosoxfan

do you like clemens? did you before he joined the yanks?


Yeah I like Clemens, and before he joined the Yanks, I wanted him to join the Yanks. I just think people look for reasons to hate Bonds, it's gets old.

[bosoxfan]

Originally posted by PettittesPrincess
Yeah I like Clemens, and before he joined the Yanks, I wanted him to join the Yanks.

I think it's interesting that people who hate pedro like/liked clemens. what do you hate about pedro?

[pacewon]

Originally posted by bosoxfan
I think it's interesting that people who hate pedro like/liked clemens. what do you hate about pedro?

Pedro and Clemens are nothing alike. Pedro is a whiney baby. Clemens never threw a senior citizen to the ground. Clemens never left his team early before the All-Star break for an extra day's vacation. Clemens never ran his mouth exhibiting stupidity like when Pedro said "Let's wake up the Bambino..."

I like that they both pitch inside. When Pedro hit Jeter and Soriano this year I was worried that they'd be hurt but I said you know what those 2 guys crowd the plate and that's how Pedro has to pitch to them. That was the same thing I said about Clemens when he hit Millar a few days earlier. The difference between them is that Pedro threw at a guy's head in the postseason out of his own frustration because the Yankees were kicking his ass. If you're trying to brush a guy back and it gets away then it's unfortunate but it's part of the game. But when you throw the ball with intent to injure, such as Pedro did to Garcia, or Benitez did to Tino in 1997, you're crossing the line and there's no room for that in baseball.

In 1 single day (in fact in a span of about 10 minutes) Pedro threw at a guy's head trying to hurt him, told another player he was going to drill him in the head too, and threw a 72-year old man that does Preperation H commercials to the ground. Clemens wouldn't ever do anything like that. Plus Pedro went hiding behind people by the dugout during the entire melee. Clemens isn't a wuss like that.

You know what another glaring difference between the two is? I recall a few seasons ago when Pedro said "I don't want to pitch anymore" and shut himself down for the rest of the season even though it was against his manager's wishes. Whereas a few years ago in Toronto one of the Yankees starters was hurt putting Torre in a hole, but Clemens went into his office and told him he would start the game on 3 days' rest. He didn't do to well and didn't have his best stuff that day but he gave the Yankees innings when they needed it and he didn't by any means have to pitch that day.

Comparing the two is a slap in the face to Roger Clemens.

[bosoxfan]

Originally posted by pacewon
Pedro and Clemens are nothing alike. Pedro is a whiney baby. Clemens never threw a senior citizen to the ground. Clemens never left his team early before the All-Star break for an extra day's vacation. Clemens never ran his mouth exhibiting stupidity like when Pedro said "Let's wake up the Bambino..."

I like that they both pitch inside. When Pedro hit Jeter and Soriano this year I was worried that they'd be hurt but I said you know what those 2 guys crowd the plate and that's how Pedro has to pitch to them. That was the same thing I said about Clemens when he hit Millar a few days earlier. The difference between them is that Pedro threw at a guy's head in the postseason out of his own frustration because the Yankees were kicking his ass. If you're trying to brush a guy back and it gets away then it's unfortunate but it's part of the game. But when you throw the ball with intent to injure, such as Pedro did to Garcia, or Benitez did to Tino in 1997, you're crossing the line and there's no room for that in baseball.

In 1 single day (in fact in a span of about 10 minutes) Pedro threw at a guy's head trying to hurt him, told another player he was going to drill him in the head too, and threw a 72-year old man that does Preperation H commercials to the ground. Clemens wouldn't ever do anything like that. Plus Pedro went hiding behind people by the dugout during the entire melee. Clemens isn't a wuss like that.

You know what another glaring difference between the two is? I recall a few seasons ago when Pedro said "I don't want to pitch anymore" and shut himself down for the rest of the season even though it was against his manager's wishes. Whereas a few years ago in Toronto one of the Yankees starters was hurt putting Torre in a hole, but Clemens went into his office and told him he would start the game on 3 days' rest. He didn't do to well and didn't have his best stuff that day but he gave the Yankees innings when they needed it and he didn't by any means have to pitch that day.

Comparing the two is a slap in the face to Roger Clemens.

I asked the question b/c many people don;t make the distinction re. throwing inside, as w/hitting Soriano and Jeter - you clearly do, which I respect.

I think Pedro did throw at Garcia, but I don;t think he threw at his head. I guess we don;t know and probably won;t know. But again, the comparable situation was Clemens throwing the shattered bat at Piazza. Stupid? Yes. Intended to harm? Probably not. Something that should mar his career? No.

I think the other points from the playoffs are less clear. Re. Zimmer, really, what was he supposed to do? And re. Posada, Posada was out of the dugout jawing at Pedro after his teammate (understandably pissed) had taken out Walker in a cheap play. So even if he was threatening Posada, which isn;t clear, so what? In the context, I don;t see it as a big deal.

And re shutting down, it was the end of the year, the Sox were out of it, he shouldn;lt have been pitching anyway given his shoulder issues. He's never begged out of a real situation.

(And btw, re "hiding," tha;s not exactly right - Sox players instantly get in front of Pedro any time anything happens (not just involving him) - they know he's not that big and they know he's their mvp.)

Anyway, thanks for the insights. I don't agree, and don't expect you to change your mind, but I appreciate hearing the thoughts on the 2.

[pacewon]

Originally posted by bosoxfan
But again, the comparable situation was Clemens throwing the shattered bat at Piazza. Stupid? Yes. Intended to harm? Probably not. Something that should mar his career? No.

A good point. I don't believe Clemens was trying to hit Piazza with the bat (he didn't even look up and probably had no idea why Piazza was running down the line after he fouled a ball off). That incident was a result of Clemens getting so pumped for the game. Was it stupid? Absolutely - that was a shattered bat and even if he was just throwing it aside that thing could bounce into the stands and stabbed somebody. I absolutely love that kind of intensity that Clemens always brought to the mound but in that instance he made a mistake.

[penguin4]

Originally posted by bosoxfan


II think the other points from the playoffs are less clear. Re. Zimmer, really, what was he supposed to do?
Although I do see where you're coming from on most of your other points, if you mean to honestly say that an athlete in top form was afraid of what a 72-year-old half-cripple would do to him that his only recourse was to fight back, I think that's a bit absurd. It's very easy just to walk away.

What bugs me more about Pedro, though, is that he doesn't let things go. Back to the whole Clemens-Piazza thing (which I agree wasn't exactly the brightest thing to do), after the bat-throwing incident, Clemens answered questions, but tried to put the whole thing past, to let it go and get on with the game. Even at the All-Star game the following year, the reporters were promoing the whole Clemens-Piazza rematch, but the two faced each other and it was just a regular at-bat, and no one had anything to say for it. Pedro, on the other hand, seems to like to take reprehensible behaviour on the field, off the field. I'm sick and tired of his clubhouse comments, so many of which are intended to bait and rile up opponents. That's putting yourself ahead of the game; making your personal dramas bigger than the team objectives (and it makes for good copy -- reporters just eat **** comments like that up, and the next day they're the cover of the NY Post). Lots of other players try to bait other teams, but -- at least with the Yankees in the playoffs recently, Chavez, Agbayani, Piniella, etc -- it's generally from the standpoint of "We can beat these guys"; with Pedro it's always "I can beat these guys (oh, and by the way [Insert Player Name Here] is a crybaby, too.)" It's just immature and really poor sportsmanship; that's not what wins fans and pennants.

[bosoxfan]

Originally posted by penguin4

Although I do see where you're coming from on most of your other points, if you mean to honestly say that an athlete in top form was afraid of what a 72-year-old half-cripple would do to him that his only recourse was to fight back, I think that's a bit absurd. It's very easy just to walk away.

... I'm sick and tired of his clubhouse comments, so many of which are intended to bait and rile up opponents. That's putting yourself ahead of the game; making your personal dramas bigger than the team objectives (and it makes for good copy -- reporters just eat **** comments like that up, and the next day they're the cover of the NY Post). .....

re Zimmer, I wasn;t implying that he was afraid of him, I'm just not sure walking away is an option - maybe other Yanks were closeby and would have grabbed him immediately, and you're right, Pedro could have backed off and it would have ended quickly - I don;t know. but also, from seeing the reply MANY times (tivo), I'm not sure Pedro really expected Zim to keep coming towards him, but instead thought zimmer was going to be in his face and leave it at that - that's probably what I would assume fro a 72-yr old. Once zimmer keeps at him, I just think it's oversimplifying it to say that pedro did the wrong thing.

re. comments- what comments are you referring to? (to clarify, I'm not at all denying them, I'm just not sure what you're referring to - I may not read them as much or I may gloss over them at the time, given my Sox bias) and I'm not pressing for actuall quotes, just instances.

[penguin4]

Originally posted by bosoxfan

re. comments- what comments are you referring to? (to clarify, I'm not at all denying them, I'm just not sure what you're referring to - I may not read them as much or I may gloss over them at the time, given my Sox bias) and I'm not pressing for actuall quotes, just instances.
You're right, I should've been more specific. OK, a few examples:

-- "Whether I'm getting the breaks or not, there's no crying in baseball. Whoever wants to cry, let them cry. They almost got no hit. They had nine innings to adjust to some of those pitches; only Flaherty did it. So, hang with it. Tell them to swallow it." -- after a game in which he initiated a bean ball war with Tampa Aug 29, 2000

-- “Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I’ll drill him in the ass.” -- after beating the Yankees May 30, 2001 (after having not won against them in a year)

-- "What Ray Miller has to say he should say managing his team... That's a pretty good team to manage and they haven't done [anything]. If he wants to take out his frustrations, let him take it out on his managing, and not on me." -- 1999, after Miller complained about Pedro hitting Brady square in the back

-- "At the end of the seventh inning, I wasn't in good shape. (Little) told me they were going to have a pitcher behind me. When Matsui was coming to bat, he asked me, 'Do you think you can put him out?' and I said, 'Yes.' No pitcher is going to say no to that. That’s why they hire coaches. But it was Little’s decision.” -- 2003, initial reactions to Game 7 of the ALCS (he later would change the story when Grady got fired and blame himself)

-- "Maybe he felt like he had to show off his testosterone But this may be more embarrassing than the one before. Why do you go after skinny Guillermo Mota in spring training and do nothing to Roger Clemens in the World Series? I would not appreciate a guy picking up a bat and throwing it behind my butt. You have to do something then. Instead, [Piazza] goes after Mota. ... I'm not taking Mota's side for throwing at somebody in a spring training game. There's a time for everything." -- 2003 spring training on Piazza's fight with LA's Guillermo Mota (why bother getting involved when you weren't even in the game?)

And then of course there are all those arrogant self-promotions where he says, in effect, "don't **** with me; I'm coming after you" (unfortunately, I don't have my 2000 issue of Sports Illustrated on hand with him on the cover, but I believe there are examples in there -- I'll dig it up when I go home in a few weeks if you're curious).

[bosoxfan]

Originally posted by penguin4

a few examples:

-- "Whether I'm getting the breaks or not, there's no crying in baseball. Whoever wants to cry, let them cry. They almost got no hit. They had nine innings to adjust to some of those pitches; only Flaherty did it. So, hang with it. Tell them to swallow it." -- after a game in which he initiated a bean ball war with Tampa Aug 29, 2000
-- “Wake up the darn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I’ll drill him in the ass.” -- after beating the Yankees May 30, 2001 (after having not won against them in a year)
-- "What Ray Miller has to say he should say managing his team... That's a pretty good team to manage and they haven't done [anything]. If he wants to take out his frustrations, let him take it out on his managing, and not on me." -- 1999, after Miller complained about Pedro hitting Brady square in the back
-- "At the end of the seventh inning, I wasn't in good shape. (Little) told me they were going to have a pitcher behind me. When Matsui was coming to bat, he asked me, 'Do you think you can put him out?' and I said, 'Yes.' No pitcher is going to say no to that. That’s why they hire coaches. But it was Little’s decision.” -- 2003, initial reactions to Game 7 of the ALCS (he later would change the story when Grady got fired and blame himself)
-- "Maybe he felt like he had to show off his testosterone But this may be more embarrassing than the one before. Why do you go after skinny Guillermo Mota in spring training and do nothing to Roger Clemens in the World Series? I would not appreciate a guy picking up a bat and throwing it behind my butt. You have to do something then. Instead, [Piazza] goes after Mota. ... I'm not taking Mota's side for throwing at somebody in a spring training game. There's a time for everything." -- 2003 spring training on Piazza's fight with LA's Guillermo Mota (why bother getting involved when you weren't even in the game?)


wow - nicely done. like I expected, some of those I agree are stupid, others I wonder the context, others I like (drilling Bambino in the ass). and like I said before, I can see people disliking him, as w/Manny, I'm always curious about the reasons why - thanks for the insights