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DW Fan
11-07-01, 07:56 PM
I wonder how Met fans will like having Rocker on their team. :D

http://www.bergen.com/

Mets have their eye on volatile reliever
Wednesday, November 7, 2001

By PETE CALDERA
Staff Writer


NEW YORK -- Can you ever forgive John Rocker?


While the first hot-stove baseball coals are burning, the Mets are considering pursuing Rocker as a flame-throwing setup man to closer Armando Benitez.


Rocker's name has been brought up in recent organizational talks, according to sources. Club officials have been weighing Rocker's considerable, controversial baggage, and whether his wayward command -- and his public image -- can be repaired.


On Monday, the Indians signed right-hander Bob Wickman to a three-year contract, all but ending Rocker's brief and brutal career in Cleveland.


The Mets' off-season priority is to add offense, but all areas of the disappointing 82-80 club are under consideration.


"I think we'll be more open to anything right now," Mets general manager Steve Phillips said Tuesday. "Anything's got to be on the table right now for consideration. You tend not to get [a player] after a great season. You tend to get them after an off season where they've struggled, and hope they bounce back."


Shortly after being dealt by the Atlanta Braves, Rocker lost his closer's job to Wickman after a series of terrible outings. Rocker had just four saves with the Indians and lost seven games in 38 appearances, with a 5.45 ERA.


Overall last year, Rocker had 23 saves with a 4.32 ERA. He had 79 strikeouts in 66 innings, but walked 41 batters and blew seven saves.


And he didn't do much to alter his reputation as a troublemaker.


Braves teammates were happy to see their biggest distraction depart, but Rocker failed to make a fresh start in Cleveland.


He further isolated himself from his new teammates, and made disparaging comments about Wickman. During the American League Division Series, Rocker tossed water on Seattle fans who were shouting vulgar remarks from near the bullpen.


A month after the Mets lost the 1999 National League Championship Series to Rocker's Braves, the left-hander became a cause celebe for his racially charged comments about New Yorkers, published in a Sports Illustrated article.


The remarks earned Rocker a brief suspension from commissioner Bud Selig in April of 2000.


The Mets always have been conscious of adding players who have a good clubhouse presence, and it might take some selling with the public to convince people of Rocker's rehabilitation.


Rocker's price is right. It shouldn't take more than an unheralded minor-leaguer or two to get him.


The Indians must decide whether to offer arbitration to Rocker, 27, who made $1.9 million in 2001. New Cleveland general manager Mark Shapiro suggested Monday that Rocker would be non-tendered or traded, telling reporters: "We are not going into the season with two closers."


The Mets have been adamant in their defense of Benitez. But they could use another power arm as a setup man to diversify a bullpen that features lefty John Franco (who features a changeup), and right-handers Rick White (fastball, slider) and Jerrod Riggan (splitter).


As for acquiring bigger ticket players, the Mets first want to see how baseball resolves its contraction issue. The breakup of the Expos and Twins could flood the market with attractive players.


"There's still a lot of what-ifs at this point," Phillips said. "We're all kind of waiting to see what the rules are."


EXTRA BASES: Meanwhile, the Mets announced outfielder Tsuyoshi Shinjo's $1.35 million option was triggered for 2002. Also on Tuesday, first baseman Todd Zeile underwent surgery in California to remove bone spurs from his right elbow.


Zeile is expected to be ready by spring training. However, the Mets are more than willing to deal Zeile, who will earn $6 million in 2002, the final year of his contract.


Fred Wilpon represented the Mets at Tuesday's owners meeting in Chicago. The Mets aren't likely to exceed their 2001 payroll of roughly $95 million. However, "Nothing's been finalized at this point," Phillips said … If owners vote to eliminate the Montreal Expos, the Pittsburgh Pirates could be moved to the NL East.


Former Teaneck resident George McClelland, who worked for the Mets organization in various capacities in Florida, died Sunday at age 73. McClelland's first job as a boy was delivering The Record.

#1YankeeLover
11-07-01, 08:17 PM
That would be funnyyyyyyyyyy . . . And in serious contention for the craziest trade in recent history!! :scared: Are you sure Mr. Rocker would be able to handle living in such a city full of "freaks"?!

-#1YankeeLover

Jersey Yankee
11-07-01, 08:39 PM
Originally posted by #1YankeeLover
That would be funnyyyyyyyyyy . . . And in serious contention for the craziest trade in recent history!! :scared: Are you sure Mr. Rocker would be able to handle living in such a city full of "freaks"?!

-#1YankeeLover Let him join the crowd, I've been there, done that and am still living.

Question #1: Can Rocker handle the #7 train?

#2: Can he handle dealing with all the people he insulted so far?

#3: What would all the Mut$ fans say about him after they'd complained about him so much? They can't say we hated Clemens before but love him now.

#1YankeeLover
11-07-01, 10:15 PM
Originally posted by Jersey Yankee
Let him join the crowd, I've been there, done that and am still living.

Question #1: Can Rocker handle the #7 train?

#2: Can he handle dealing with all the people he insulted so far?
Well, yeah, that's what I meant . . . I'm not very "expressive" today, I guess. :P

-#1YankeeLover

Hobes
11-07-01, 10:50 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Butnud
11-08-01, 12:36 AM
I would love to see Rocker in Shea as a setup man.
Oh WoW!

Danmel
11-08-01, 08:19 AM
I read in today's paper that the Mets are not considering Rocker at all.

Gehrig
11-08-01, 09:45 AM
Another reason to love the Mets... :rolleyes:

NYYFAN
11-08-01, 02:02 PM
There goes battery sales in NY!!

cb2u
11-08-01, 04:52 PM
The Mets would never have the balls to do that!

My theory...if Rocker came to the Mets and was lights out, they'd LOVE him. Not right away, but eventually.

Chris
11-08-01, 05:47 PM
Originally posted by cb2u
My theory...if Rocker came to the Mets and was lights out, they'd LOVE him. Not right away, but eventually.

As much as I hate the Mets and the Met fans they're still New Yorkers I don;t think that could happen.

In fact I think that if they did get Rocker we'd have to make some room on our bandwagon

SkooterPhil#10
11-08-01, 05:55 PM
That would put butts in the seats! :lol:

SkooterPhil#10
11-08-01, 06:02 PM
Originally posted by cb2u
The Mets would never have the balls to do that!

My theory...if Rocker came to the Mets and was lights out, they'd LOVE him. Not right away, but eventually.

I agree. Most Met fans(that I know) don't actually possess a strong hatred for him as a person. They think of him as a bad guy in a movie. They love to hate him. I think they will embrace him if he becomes a Met. It would be like Evil switching to Good, for Met fans. They still respect him as a good lefty closer.

Chris
11-08-01, 06:16 PM
Originally posted by SkooterPhil#10


I agree. Most Met fans(that I know) don't actually possess a strong hatred for him as a person. They think of him as a bad guy in a movie. They love to hate him. I think they will embrace him if he becomes a Met. It would be like Evil switching to Good, for Met fans. They still respect him as a good lefty closer.

I respectfully disagree, not that the Met fans you know feel that way (I'm sure they do) but with the way you expect them to see it.

All the Met fans I know hate him, but not the way we hate players because they're arrogant or selfish or greedy combined with very good and a knack for doing well against us...they hate him personally. They feel like he's personally insulted them and every one of his actions and words after that has strenghtened their anger.

I don't think pitching well for them would gain forgiveness at all.

Even I have hated two Yankees while they were in instripes and doing very well.

Sometimes good baseball isn't enough


It's just my guess and I seriously doubt that we'll find out

cb2u
11-08-01, 06:46 PM
Originally posted by Chris


As much as I hate the Mets and the Met fans they're still New Yorkers I don;t think that could happen.

In fact I think that if they did get Rocker we'd have to make some room on our bandwagon
First of all, I agree that I don't think he'd come here, & I don't think the Mets would open that can of worms.
But, if he did come and he was very apologetic, & did a few politically correct things....
New Yorkers can be forgiving, many can appreciate the whole bad-guy-sees-error-of-his-ways thing, as SkooterPhil#10 said. But if he did not show any remorse, then I would agree he'd never make it here. It would depend on whether he seemed sorry or not, IMHO.