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sugmasterflex
06-07-07, 03:57 PM
I hope we did our homework on this guy. You know, kind of like how we did it with Humberto Sanchez...


:mad:

WeekendWarrior
06-07-07, 03:57 PM
Worst comes to worst, we dont sign him and we keep our pick for next year

gdn
06-07-07, 03:57 PM
Wow. Callis is a joke.

Yankyfan
06-07-07, 03:57 PM
At pick 30 I love it !!

mc87yanks1
06-07-07, 03:57 PM
I can't believe it. This day could have been such a bright one, and now it definitely has a shadow over it. Brackman has upside, but with Porcello so close and Harvey and Smoker there, this is a dissapointing pick for sure.

destiNY
06-07-07, 03:58 PM
Gammo giving love!

Gotta look at it this way.

Brackman can be a future ace with college polish already. His health, although a question, the only question, he has #1 ace stuff and if he's healthy he can be the best pick of the draft.

Veovis
06-07-07, 03:58 PM
wow what if this guy has to have tommy john surgery.

Then we lose him for a year and then he is ready to go. As far as upside goes, we've got a heck of a pitcher.

Since95
06-07-07, 03:58 PM
I can see the Rangers picking Harvey with the 35th pick.. they might have the best Draft out of all the teams..

gold23
06-07-07, 03:58 PM
Callis rips the pick.....yet BA writes "Brackman's changeup was the pitch that had improved the most this spring, and grades as a third potential plus offering. He's still unrefined, but even without the polish, Brackman shouldn't slide out of the top 10 picks". This was as recently as YESTERDAY, and Callis is a major contributor to their reports.

In Mo I Trust
06-07-07, 03:58 PM
I'm sure they Yankees did the needed research on Brackman. If they are confident with it I trust them.

NYDCYankee
06-07-07, 03:58 PM
I hope the Nats or Rangers nab Harvey and Smoker here.

ARodCanoMelky
06-07-07, 03:59 PM
Brackman isn't a bad pick

trapper700
06-07-07, 03:59 PM
if only mussina left via free agency...

Mark19
06-07-07, 03:59 PM
I think the Yanks have an open tab with Dr. James Andrews. Brackman might as well make his appointment early.

THEBOSS84
06-07-07, 03:59 PM
Can someone please post Brackman's college numbers?

YankeePride1967
06-07-07, 03:59 PM
I believe Kennedy, Chamberlain both had injury issues in their last year

Anyway, I still think every one was angrier on us picking Kennedy than this pick

Just about everyone here was trashing the Yanks after taking Ian Kennedy. I'm going to withhold judgement for now.

montyque
06-07-07, 03:59 PM
Oh well. Hope he's worth the risk.

WeekendWarrior
06-07-07, 04:00 PM
So how hard did he throw before he got hurt

rca1230
06-07-07, 04:00 PM
more high ceiling upside picks

i love it :D

ARodCanoMelky
06-07-07, 04:00 PM
Brackman could throw 99 MPH with plus command

ucfjon
06-07-07, 04:00 PM
Its funny, I remember when people here were crying about Kennedy, Chamberlain, and Hughes. Maybe we should trust the professionals here?

destiNY
06-07-07, 04:00 PM
We have the #30 pick and the yankees just made a pick like they had a top 5. With high risk is high reward. I'm glad they did not take another kennedy (don't get me wrong I like him and the pick) but we needed an upside pick.

Don't forget we had the 30th pick. Even though Porcello was close, we were still too far away.

metalboy15
06-07-07, 04:00 PM
I just don´t understand, Harvey was right there!!!, you have to take him.

Awful job.

rca1230
06-07-07, 04:00 PM
So how hard did he throw before he got hurt

98-99 on the fastball

Chacon
06-07-07, 04:00 PM
Shocking pick, hopefully they know something we dont. I guess they really want Joba Chamberlian pt 2

albo4lyfe
06-07-07, 04:00 PM
I would've been pissed off if we took someone like Doolittle, Russell, or Canham but not Brackman. Love the guy, always have.

WeekendWarrior
06-07-07, 04:01 PM
I am starting to like this pick and its not liek the draft is over either

Since95
06-07-07, 04:01 PM
well.. whats the 2008 draft looking like.. this was fun.. can't wait till next year.

trapper700
06-07-07, 04:01 PM
i bet harvey's family was pissed, especially since they're supposedly yankees fans

wang+cano=future
06-07-07, 04:01 PM
I think everyone is still disappionted about Porcello. I know I am.

yankeesmarc923
06-07-07, 04:01 PM
mlb.com on Brackman...

Focus Area

Comments
Fastball: Brackman threw his fastballs 92-97 mph, both a two- and four-seamer.
FB Movement: His two-seamer had plus life and was effective in the zone.
Curve: Brackman features a knuckle curve that he throws 78-81 mph. It was inconsistent on Friday, largely because of the cold weather (35 degrees).
Changeup: Brackman threw his changeup in the 82-84 mph zone. It's an average offering he keeps around the strike zone.
Control: Brackman commanded his two-seamer extremely well, hititng the inside part of the plate at will. His command of his breaking stuff was less consistent.
Poise: Brackman competed very well and went right after hitters in his debut.
Physical Description: Big, former basketball player who shows impressive athleticism despite his size.
Medical Update: Healthy.
Strengths: Above-average velocity on his two- and four-seam fastballs, with plus command of the two-seamer.
Weaknesses: Command of his curve. Brackman will need to show he can throw his knuckle curve for strikes more consistently. It's a difficult pitch to command and while hitters in college will swing at it, professional hitters will lay off if it's out of the zone.
Summary: The concern with Brackman heading into his first full season as a baseball player only was how durable he would be. The former basketball standout had never spent an entire college season as a starting pitcher and he ended up being shut down with a tired arm late in the year. Still, the pure stuff, including a 97-mph fastball when he’s 100 percent, intrigues many scouts and despite the inconsistent year, he’s still in the first-round fray as more of a college project than an advanced arm.

Yanks21
06-07-07, 04:01 PM
The only reason Brackman is available at 30 is because of the elbow concerns. Hopefully it isn't anything to worry about...

gold23
06-07-07, 04:02 PM
Brackman's pure stuff is better than the two high school kids, and he is more advanced. Even with the injury concerns, I'm not sure you can kill the pick. Hughes is an extreme example, and even with his meteoric rise he still needed a couple of seasons in the minors. High end college talent is moving quicker.

rca1230
06-07-07, 04:02 PM
so many negative nancies

you want high upside picks he is as high as they come

they must not have any worries about the elbow and if they do they can give him the rest of the year off

jesterno2
06-07-07, 04:02 PM
ugh, brackman...

absolute worst possible case scenario. i wouldve prefered laporta.

i think im gonna vomit, im done for the day, later guys.

CTyankeefan
06-07-07, 04:02 PM
People here are complaining too much. I bet one of Harvey and Smoker will be there in the second round. Why? Because they haven't been taken yet because of signability issues.

Sox may take Harvey, or they may not. I could see Harvey slip all the way to the Yanks again. No one wants to take these guys and pay them because of signability issues.

Brackman is odler than harvey and can help sooner. I will never complain about taking a guy WHO THROWS 99 MPH!!!!!

scooterfan
06-07-07, 04:02 PM
The thing to keep in mind - we have zero sandwich picks this year

If the staff liked Brackman, I don't know if he would have lasted to the bottom of the 2nd round

Law and Gammons loved the pick - so now I'm a little worried ;)

albo4lyfe
06-07-07, 04:02 PM
Who knows... maybe Harvey will really drop. Latos, Walden dropped a lot last year and they were very talented, albeit Walden didn't have a great year by any means.

23jordan
06-07-07, 04:03 PM
Can someone please explain to me how we pick last when the cardinals won the world series? Forgive my lack of experience with this whole process.

primetime714
06-07-07, 04:03 PM
I'm not that upset about this pick. Harvey would've been a better pick, but Brackman has a ton of upside possibly more than any other pitcher in the draft. The chance this blows up in our face is a lot higher than it would be with a guy like Harvey but I still take the chance as Brackman has the potential to be absolutely dominant.

The Dynasty
06-07-07, 04:03 PM
We have the #30 pick and the yankees just made a pick like they had a top 5. With high risk is high reward. I'm glad they did not take another kennedy (don't get me wrong I like him and the pick) but we needed an upside pick.

Don't forget we had the 30th pick. Even though Porcello was close, we were still too far away.

As disappointed as I still am, the Yankees have a recent track record of making "unloved" picks that end up being top prospects. I trust them on this one until something goes awry.

gold23
06-07-07, 04:03 PM
So how hard did he throw before he got hurt

High 90's.

ieddyi
06-07-07, 04:04 PM
What type of injury issues does Brackman have?

Thanks

siddiqi
06-07-07, 04:04 PM
Obviously I would have been doing cartwheels in my front lawn had we gotten Porcello, but Brackman if healthy is not a bad pick, but the key is if healthy. The other upside to all this is that he'll probably cost less than Porcello to sign and that gives us more money to spend on our later draft picks.

gold23
06-07-07, 04:04 PM
People here are complaining too much. I bet one of Harvey and Smoker will be there in the second round. Why? Because they haven't been taken yet because of signability issues.

Sox may take Harvey, or they may not. I could see Harvey slip all the way to the Yanks again. No one wants to take these guys and pay them because of signability issues.

Brackman is odler than harvey and can help sooner. I will never complain about taking a guy WHO THROWS 99 MPH!!!!!

Do the Yanks have a second rounder? I thought they didn't pick till the third. Am i wrong, guys?

Yankyfan
06-07-07, 04:04 PM
What rd is the draft going to today?

The Dynasty
06-07-07, 04:04 PM
What type of injury issues does Brackman have?

Thanks

Elbow-related per ESPN. Could be worse (ie shoulder).

Kulish29
06-07-07, 04:05 PM
Harvey or Smoker in the second round? Please, no way that happens.

Iknowcool
06-07-07, 04:05 PM
Its obvious there is no injury. Scott Boras had him make up an elbow problem so he'd fall to a bigger market team.

albo4lyfe
06-07-07, 04:05 PM
Brackman's scouting report:

As an awkward 6-foot-7 16-year-old at Cincinnati's Moeller High, Brackman wasn't considered a top 50 prospect in baseball or basketball. His basketball game blossomed as a senior, and when N.C. State offered him a chance to play both sports, he eagerly accepted. A bout with tendinitis assured he wouldn't be drafted highly enough out of high school to buy him out of college, and after giving up basketball as a sophomore (he had thrown just 77 innings in his first two years at N.C. State), he's begun to come into this own. Now a legitimate 6-foot-10, 240 pounds, his upside is considerable. His athleticism helps him repeat his delivery, but he struggles with his balance and release point, leading to erratic command, especially of his secondary stuff. He touched 99 mph in the Cape Cod League in 2006 and again during an early-season outing in Myrtle Beach, S.C., and he pitches at 94 with exceptional plane. His mid-80s spike-curveball is filthy. Brackman's changeup was the pitch that had improved the most this spring, and grades as a third potential plus offering. He's still unrefined, but even without the polish, Brackman shouldn't slide out of the top 10 picks.

27IsNext
06-07-07, 04:05 PM
Anyone with a brain new the Tigers would take Porcello if he fell to them. You guys only have yourselves to blame for holding out on false hope.

ppa79
06-07-07, 04:05 PM
Let Brackman relax the whole summer and let him pitch in the AFL.

Haywood2K6
06-07-07, 04:05 PM
People here are complaining too much. I bet one of Harvey and Smoker will be there in the second round. Why? Because they haven't been taken yet because of signability issues.

Sox may take Harvey, or they may not. I could see Harvey slip all the way to the Yanks again. No one wants to take these guys and pay them because of signability issues.

Brackman is odler than harvey and can help sooner. I will never complain about taking a guy WHO THROWS 99 MPH!!!!!

Correction, he use to throw 99 MPH, not last season he didn't. His velocity was down all year.

ARodCanoMelky
06-07-07, 04:05 PM
This is like the Joba pick last year. He slipped down because of elbow issues.

albo4lyfe
06-07-07, 04:06 PM
The reason we pick 30th is because we had the best record. It's record-related, not how well you do in the post-season.

ICEBERG18
06-07-07, 04:06 PM
Yankees Add Power Forward
Posted Jun. 7, 2007 4:00 pm by John Manuel
Filed under: Draft Day: June 7

Andrew Brackman is off the board. The 6-foot-10 righthander and former N.C. State power forward in basketball goes 30th overall to the Yankees to end the first round.

Somehow Matt Harvey made it through the entire first round without being selected, but Brackman didn’t. Conspiracy theories are now flying around the BA office–was Brackman’s late fade a ploy to send him tumbling in the first round to the Yankees? Will anyone take Harvey?

As for Brackman, the Yankees can spread his bonus out over five years, thanks to his basketball background. Word was that Brackman’s bonus demands had come down, but he was still considered one of the “out of the box” Boras clients.


This entry was posted on Thursday, June 7, 2007 at 4:00 pm by John Manuel and

siddiqi
06-07-07, 04:06 PM
another thing is that if anyone can fix brackman it's nardi

Since95
06-07-07, 04:06 PM
Maybe Harvey commits to UNC after falling out of the first round.
Him and Porcello would be real sweet.

TheYankee
06-07-07, 04:06 PM
Probably already posted somewhere, but here is an article on Brackman by Sickels... http://www.minorleagueball.com/story/2007/5/26/142420/232


I'll be honest and say that my intuition about him is somewhat negative, and I'd rate him towards the back end of the first round rather than at the front end. His upside is very, very high...but I think the risk is pretty high, too.

23jordan
06-07-07, 04:06 PM
The reason we pick 30th is because we had the best record. It's record-related, not how well you do in the post-season.

thanks for info.

Jace
06-07-07, 04:07 PM
Correction, he use to throw 99 MPH, not last season he didn't. His velocity was down all year.

He hit it early this season. It was down in the second half

Soriambi
06-07-07, 04:07 PM
How long until they start up again?

scooterfan
06-07-07, 04:07 PM
Remember what Frankie posted in the Draft thread a couple of days ago - something about the Yankees liking guys who excel in the Cape Cod League

(example: Kontos, Robertson)

Brackman fits that bill...

yanksphan
06-07-07, 04:07 PM
OT: Schilling has a no-no thru 6.

Philip Hughes Fan
06-07-07, 04:08 PM
Brackman's pure stuff is better than the two high school kids, and he is more advanced. Even with the injury concerns, I'm not sure you can kill the pick. Hughes is an extreme example, and even with his meteoric rise he still needed a couple of seasons in the minors. High end college talent is moving quicker.

I don't think Brackman is more advanced at all. He just started focusing on baseball and hasn't shown the ability to hold up to even a full college season yet. He's as much of a project as either of them, and I'd say actually a lot bigger one.

TheYankee
06-07-07, 04:08 PM
Anyone with a brain new the Tigers would take Porcello if he fell to them. You guys only have yourselves to blame for holding out on false hope.I'm with you... no idea why anyone thought he'd slip through their fingers.

Kulish29
06-07-07, 04:09 PM
OT: Schilling has a no-no thru 6.

Wonderful, this day just keeps getting better.

trapper700
06-07-07, 04:09 PM
on the bright side, we're not going to have the best record next year, so we won't have to wait till pick 30 again... but then again, this year's draft is supposed to be one of the deepest in recent history

kirbivore
06-07-07, 04:10 PM
I'm the biggest no hitter jinx on earth. Whenever I hear of one in progress and start to follow it, its ruined. I missed the Abbot, Cone, and Wells games. I just informed my fellow Sox workers That Shilling has a no no through 6.

vin777b
06-07-07, 04:10 PM
Brackman. At least we did not draft a position player in Round 1.

many on this board were hoping for Harvey. How do Harvey and Brackman compare. Can anyone educate me on Harvey? Thank you.

Buzah!
06-07-07, 04:10 PM
Remember what Frankie posted in the Draft thread a couple of days ago - something about the Yankees liking guys who excel in the Cape Cod League

(example: Kontos, Robertson)

Brackman fits that bill...He really stood out in the Cape Cod league last year. I noticed his #'s when I was checking on Robertson daily.

yanksphan
06-07-07, 04:10 PM
There goes Smoker.

yankeesmarc923
06-07-07, 04:11 PM
Brackman graduated from the same high school as Ken Griffey Jr, Barry Larkin, and Roger Staubach

Soriambi
06-07-07, 04:11 PM
Smoker goes at 31.

Buzah!
06-07-07, 04:12 PM
Wonderful, this day just keeps getting better.Kulish, this is a fine pick. Porcello would have been the jackpot, but they've done their work on Brackman and liked him best at 30.

Snatch Catch
06-07-07, 04:12 PM
I'm actually okay with this... If the Yankees selected him, I'm confident that they are okay with his health reports. If he's healthy, he's got a higher ceiling than Harvey, Porcello, maybe even Price.


This is what I've been saying all along, Steph! I personally wouldn't have taken him, but if the Yankees decide to invest, especially under Cashman/Oppenheimmer, I can't be mad.

yankeesmarc923
06-07-07, 04:12 PM
now the draft speeds up drastically

Soriambi
06-07-07, 04:13 PM
now the draft speeds up drastically

How long between picks now?

The Dynasty
06-07-07, 04:14 PM
Texas will gladly take Harvey.

Steph19
06-07-07, 04:14 PM
Smoker, Noonan, Gilmore off to Washington, SF, and Atlanta respectively. Bet the Braves wished Smoker dropped two more spots.

destiNY
06-07-07, 04:16 PM
on the bright side, we're not going to have the best record next year, so we won't have to wait till pick 30 again... but then again, this year's draft is supposed to be one of the deepest in recent history

Next year is supposed to be just as good if not better.

TheYankee
06-07-07, 04:16 PM
How long between picks now?Not really a set time... goes quickly however, usually within a couple minutes.

Steph19
06-07-07, 04:16 PM
Frazier's off the board, to the Reds

rca1230
06-07-07, 04:16 PM
Frazier to the Reds

nice pick

Yanks21
06-07-07, 04:16 PM
Reds just took Todd Frazier...

Steph19
06-07-07, 04:17 PM
I'm hoping Nevin Griffith, a Sickels favorite, falls to us in the 2nd round. Unlikely, though.

23jordan
06-07-07, 04:17 PM
As long as his elbow isn't obliterated....if they work with his mechanics, watch his pitch count, and build his strength up....sounds like he could be a great pick?

Steph19
06-07-07, 04:18 PM
Uh oh... Rangers go with Burbon. Harvey to Sox?

Jace
06-07-07, 04:19 PM
Uh oh... Rangers go with Burbon. Harvey to Sox?

The Mets could just as easily take him. Honestly though who knows, since he has fallen this far

TheYankee
06-07-07, 04:19 PM
OT: No hitter is now through 7... Lugo is going to feel like an ass if the no-hitter is completed....

yanksphan
06-07-07, 04:19 PM
Damn...Schilling hanging 0's thru 7.

Steph19
06-07-07, 04:20 PM
I think ESPN forgot that the draft is still happening.

Mark19
06-07-07, 04:20 PM
OT: No hitter is now through 7... Lugo is going to feel like an ass if the no-hitter is completed....

Oakland needs to start bunting, they won't lose the game 1-0

trapper700
06-07-07, 04:20 PM
Next year is supposed to be just as good if not better.

that's good to hear, i don't keep track of these things very much, :D

Snatch Catch
06-07-07, 04:20 PM
Here's the thing, too:

Anyone hoping for Main as a backup plan can't be mad at Brackman. If healthy, Brackman has better stuff than Main, and if the Yankees decided to make this pick, they have to believe he's healthy or fixable if he's not.

Winfield4Prez
06-07-07, 04:21 PM
nevermind

homer2931
06-07-07, 04:21 PM
Gammo giving love!

Gotta look at it this way.

Brackman can be a future ace with college polish already. His health, although a question, the only question, he has #1 ace stuff and if he's healthy he can be the best pick of the draft.

He's completely unpolished

Skars
06-07-07, 04:22 PM
As long as his elbow isn't obliterated....if they work with his mechanics, watch his pitch count, and build his strength up....sounds like he could be a great pick?

backtrack to December of 06

Humberto Sanchez traded to Yankees
- Lifetime of injuries, inconsistencies, season ends early because of elbow issues

- "oh dont worry they checked all his health reports"
- "nardi contreras will fix his mechanics to put less stress on his arm"
- hello james andrews

fast forward to June 07

[img-my body hanging from a noose]

Mark19
06-07-07, 04:22 PM
without going into details. Brackman is going to need TJ surgery. Let's just say I work in Raleigh and I am pretty close to the NC State team orthopaedist. I'm sorry I can't say more than that. Obviously nobody has to believe me but I do have pretty credible info here.

I'm surprised that Cashman didn't know this....

gold23
06-07-07, 04:22 PM
I don't think Brackman is more advanced at all. He just started focusing on baseball and hasn't shown the ability to hold up to even a full college season yet. He's as much of a project as either of them, and I'd say actually a lot bigger one.

Gonna disagree in this regard....competition makes up a lot of advancement at this age. My father in law is a senior regional scout for an al central team, and so I've heard this very topic discussed for years. Yes, a guy like Brackman is a project. But.....high schoolers rarely have ever worked on their secondary stuff in a pitching environment. Their breaking pitches- while in many cases very good- have never needed to be commanded. Quality- and the quality that Brackman has faced, no less- competition allows college aged pitchers to develop their pitching style and pitches at an accelarated rate.

I don't have a preference between high school and college- I prefer the more talented guy. But....in terms of readiness....the college pitcher from a difficult or advanced program is almost universally more ready than the exact pitcher from a high school program. Now....if the talent is different, that's a different story.

TheYankee
06-07-07, 04:23 PM
without going into details. Brackman is going to need TJ surgery. Let's just say I work in Raleigh and I am pretty close to the NC State team orthopaedist. I'm sorry I can't say more than that. Obviously nobody has to believe me but I do have pretty credible info here.Well if that's true, than someone is pulling the Yankee's chain, which is B.S.... unless they made this decision with that knowledge, then I suddeny have little faith in our draft team...

Not that I want to call your integrity into question, but like you said, it's kind of hard to just believe this considering the Yankees took a chance on him here...

The Dynasty
06-07-07, 04:23 PM
without going into details. Brackman is going to need TJ surgery. Let's just say I work in Raleigh and I am pretty close to the NC State team orthopaedist. I'm sorry I can't say more than that. Obviously nobody has to believe me but I do have pretty credible info here.

Fair enough.

WeekendWarrior
06-07-07, 04:23 PM
Winfield, I don't believe you know more than the yankees but I could be wrong

Yankyfan
06-07-07, 04:23 PM
What rd are we going to today?

Yankees1962
06-07-07, 04:24 PM
I'm surprised that Cashman didn't know this....
How do you know that he didn't? Based on some of the pitchers acquired this past year, the Yankees don't appear to be scare of acquiring pitchers that might need TJ.

albo4lyfe
06-07-07, 04:24 PM
I doubt that the Yanks would take Brackman in the 1st if they knew that he needed TJ. They'd just take him later on.

Winfield4Prez
06-07-07, 04:25 PM
I'm surprised that Cashman didn't know this....


maybe he did know and was willing to gamble. It seem TJ becomes more and more "routine" every year :dunno:

b-ball-lunachick
06-07-07, 04:25 PM
Gammons is snickering.

I'm so sick of that guy it's not funny..he snickered at Cano and Wang before they came up too...eff him.

The Dynasty
06-07-07, 04:26 PM
backtrack to December of 06

Humberto Sanchez traded to Yankees
- Lifetime of injuries, inconsistencies, season ends early because of elbow issues

- "oh dont worry they checked all his health reports"
- "nardi contreras will fix his mechanics to put less stress on his arm"
- hello james andrews

fast forward to June 07

[img-my body hanging from a noose]

If this makes you feel better, when Sanchez heals up with that thigh tendon in his elbow, he's going to be an absolute beast.

MaximMan121
06-07-07, 04:26 PM
Now, Winfield, you may be a very nice person, and I may be just hearing what I want to hear--but I don't trust someone who popped onto NYYfans.com randomly after 13 posts in 4 years, to deliver bad news.

That screams Red Sox fan rattling our collective chain, to me.

vin777b
06-07-07, 04:26 PM
anyone care to educate us on why a selection of Harvey would've been better than Brackman ?

siddiqi
06-07-07, 04:26 PM
maybe he did know and was willing to gamble. It seem TJ becomes more and more "routine" every year :dunno:
it's dumb to waste a 1st round pick on a guu who can't contribute within the year. If he needs TJ I'm completly against this pick.

ICEBERG18
06-07-07, 04:27 PM
Have the picks stopped coming?

Yankees1962
06-07-07, 04:27 PM
I doubt that the Yanks would take Brackman in the 1st if they knew that he needed TJ. They'd just take him later on.
You never know, as much business they've given Andrews, perhaps that surgery doesn't scare them.

jimmykey2
06-07-07, 04:27 PM
backtrack to December of 06

Humberto Sanchez traded to Yankees
- Lifetime of injuries, inconsistencies, season ends early because of elbow issues

- "oh dont worry they checked all his health reports"
- "nardi contreras will fix his mechanics to put less stress on his arm"
- hello james andrews

fast forward to June 07

[img-my body hanging from a noose]

Tommy John surgeries now have a 2% success rate.


Now if that was true I would agree with everything you have said, but it isn't. Sanchez has top tier prospect's stuff and TJ surgeries have a pretty good success rate now, with some guys actually having improved arm strength as a result the surgery. IMO, I would've made that move also even if I knew Sanchez needed the surgery.

ARoDfan4life
06-07-07, 04:27 PM
maybe he did know and was willing to gamble. It seem TJ becomes more and more "routine" every year :dunno:

if he doesn't need TJS can we ban you ? :dunno:

Since95
06-07-07, 04:27 PM
Harvey Still falling...

b-ball-lunachick
06-07-07, 04:28 PM
Did they say how Brackman's ex-girlfriend died? just curious...

Kulish29
06-07-07, 04:28 PM
Kulish, this is a fine pick. Porcello would have been the jackpot, but they've done their work on Brackman and liked him best at 30.

Phil, I just dont like the pick. He wasnt a very productive pitcher at college and he has the injury concerns. All indications were that his stock was falling and falling fast. He probably could've been had in the 2nd round.

scooterfan
06-07-07, 04:28 PM
it's dumb to waste a 1st round pick on a guu who can't contribute within the year. If he needs TJ I'm completly against this pick.

Thing is - we took a first round talent (Melancon) last year who had a bad elbow - but we took him in the 8th (?) round

I have no problem taking a high-ceiling guy who needs surgery - but in that case, that guy probably shouldn't be a first-round pick

Steph19
06-07-07, 04:28 PM
it's dumb to waste a 1st round pick on a guu who can't contribute within the year. If he needs TJ I'm completly against this pick.

So I guess that Phil Hughes pick was a waste, since he didn't make it to the majors the year he was drafted?

TheYankee
06-07-07, 04:28 PM
it's dumb to waste a 1st round pick on a guu who can't contribute within the year. If he needs TJ I'm completly against this pick.What? There are 4 people from last years 1st round in Major League Baseball today, and that's an abnormally large amount from normal... so... what are you talking about?

Soriambi
06-07-07, 04:28 PM
if he doesn't need TJS can we ban you ? :dunno:

If he doesn't need TJ Surgery, isn't it possible that his friend was just incorrect in his diagnosis? I don't think we should bash this guy because he gave us some inside information that might not be what we want to hear.

27IsNext
06-07-07, 04:28 PM
Since when was TJ surgery an automatic indictment of a failed pitcher?

Yankees1962
06-07-07, 04:29 PM
Thing is - we took a first round talent (Melancon) last year who had a bad elbow - but we took him in the 8th (?) round

I have no problem taking a high-ceiling guy who needs surgery - but in that case, that guy probably shouldn't be a first-round pick
There's a lot of picks between 30 and their next pick which is 95 I believe.

Steph19
06-07-07, 04:29 PM
Did they say how Brackman's ex-girlfriend died? just curious...

I heard that it was in a car crash. That info is from posters at Sickels' blog, though, so I can't vouch for its accuracy.

Winfield4Prez
06-07-07, 04:30 PM
Now, Winfield, you may be a very nice person, and I may be just hearing what I want to hear--but I don't trust someone who popped onto NYYfans.com randomly after 13 posts in 4 years, to deliver bad news.

That screams Red Sox fan rattling our collective chain, to me.

Please don't call me a Red Sox fan.:o I am definitely a lurker. I enjoy reading the as opposed to participating. Usually I wouldn't say anything but I just happen to have info on this due to where I work. I figured I would pass along. Not trying to rattle any cages

mhmajp
06-07-07, 04:30 PM
Well if that's true, than someone is pulling the Yankee's chain, which is B.S.... unless they made this decision with that knowledge, then I suddeny have little faith in our draft team...

Not that I want to call your integrity into question, but like you said, it's kind of hard to just believe this considering the Yankees took a chance on him here...

They may not care. That may bring down the price, letting them go that much more above slot later in the draft. That may be the only reason he fell to #30 in the first place. And on. Either way, if true, it makes him much more signable as he has about zero leverage.

The NYY use Dr Andrews a lot and have several guys rehabbing from Tommy John right now, so they may feel in a much better position to recover a piutcher with a high ceiling. I don't think that the injury in and of itself is a problem. If nothing else, it gives them more time to promote and release guys to make room for this year's crop.

BJG
06-07-07, 04:30 PM
As long as his elbow isn't obliterated....if they work with his mechanics, watch his pitch count, and build his strength up....sounds like he could be a great pick?

even if his elbow is oliterated, tommy john is a fairly known commodity these days.

as for harvey, i don't know if there's a lot of upside there even though he is a high school guy.

jimmykey2
06-07-07, 04:30 PM
it's dumb to waste a 1st round pick on a guu who can't contribute within the year. If he needs TJ I'm completly against this pick.

Contribute to what? The major league team or the minors?

siddiqi
06-07-07, 04:30 PM
Thing is - we took a first round talent (Melancon) last year who had a bad elbow - but we took him in the 8th (?) round

I have no problem taking a high-ceiling guy who needs surgery - but in that case, that guy probably shouldn't be a first-round pick
That's my point, there is no reason to take a guy who needs TJ in the 1st, take him later and go for a more "sure bet" in the 1st.

New Murderer's Row
06-07-07, 04:30 PM
so they lose him for a year? the yankees aren't going to be short on pitching prospects...

better he have TJ now than later.

b-ball-lunachick
06-07-07, 04:30 PM
Since when was TJ surgery an automatic indictment of a failed pitcher?

Didn't you know that Mariano sucks? ;)

yankeesmarc923
06-07-07, 04:31 PM
it's dumb to waste a 1st round pick on a guu who can't contribute within the year. If he needs TJ I'm completly against this pick.

within the year!?!?
what are you smoking??? only a handful of players are able to contribute within the year, and definitely not a 30 pick

TheYankee
06-07-07, 04:31 PM
Since when was TJ surgery an automatic indictment of a failed pitcher?I wouldn't say it's a foregone conclusion, but you have to admit, to draft a pitcher with the knowledge TJ surgery is imminent seems a bit... problematic at best, especially considering there were other decent pitchers on the board.

I'm no doctor, but TJ surgery is still nothing to scoff at, right?

Steph19
06-07-07, 04:32 PM
Mets don't bite on Harvey either, going with Kunz.

Yankees1962
06-07-07, 04:32 PM
I wouldn't say it's a foregone conclusion, but you have to admit, to draft a pitcher with the knowledge TJ surgery is imminent seems a bit... problematic at best, especially considering there were other decent pitchers on the board.

I'm no doctor, but TJ surgery is still nothing to scoff at, right?
Even with the surgery, he might reach the majors before Harvey or Smoker.

jimmykey2
06-07-07, 04:32 PM
Since when was TJ surgery an automatic indictment of a failed pitcher?

Since today.

Also since there was another imaginary market for Gary Sheffield that was going to yield another Top 100 prospect who was completely healthy.

destiNY
06-07-07, 04:32 PM
He's completely unpolished

I didn't say he was polished I said he has college polish...wish is better than HS polish...is what I meant.

Homer

Winfield4Prez
06-07-07, 04:32 PM
if he doesn't need TJS can we ban you ? :dunno:


sure. but if its true can we ban you?:)

sahara
06-07-07, 04:32 PM
without going into details. Brackman is going to need TJ surgery. Let's just say I work in Raleigh and I am pretty close to the NC State team orthopaedist. I'm sorry I can't say more than that. Obviously nobody has to believe me but I do have pretty credible info here.

If you're close to the team doctor, you really shouldn't be admitting he/she gave you medical info.

TheYankee
06-07-07, 04:32 PM
They may not care. That may bring down the price, letting them go that much more above slot later in the draft. That may be the only reason he fell to #30 in the first place. And on. Either way, if true, it makes him much more signable as he has about zero leverage.

The NYY use Dr Andrews a lot and have several guys rehabbing from Tommy John right now, so they may feel in a much better position to recover a piutcher with a high ceiling. I don't think that the injury in and of itself is a problem. If nothing else, it gives them more time to promote and release guys to make room for this year's crop.Interesting take... makes sense...

siddiqi
06-07-07, 04:33 PM
Contribute to what? The major league team or the minors?
What I meant was that he should get started on his career in the minors. As I said before a guy with a risky elbow should be taken later in the draft like the 6th round or later, that way if he needs surgery it's not as big a deal. A first round pick should not be sitting out a year waiting to recover from surgery.

b-ball-lunachick
06-07-07, 04:33 PM
I heard that it was in a car crash. That info is from posters at Sickels' blog, though, so I can't vouch for its accuracy.

thanks Steph..that can be pretty shocking and can have an effect on a young guy...

teknetic
06-07-07, 04:34 PM
5 outs for Schill..this day gets better.

destiNY
06-07-07, 04:34 PM
Oakland nice pick with Doolittle

siddiqi
06-07-07, 04:34 PM
within the year!?!?
what are you smoking??? only a handful of players are able to contribute within the year, and definitely not a 30 pick
I meant in the minors.

TheYankee
06-07-07, 04:34 PM
Even with the surgery, he might reach the majors before Harvey or Smoker.Fair enough, but why would we be making decisions based on how quickly they can hop through the minors?

BJG
06-07-07, 04:34 PM
That's my point, there is no reason to take a guy who needs TJ in the 1st, take him later and go for a more "sure bet" in the 1st.

sure bets still around at 30 don't make the yankees. they turn into organizational fodder/trade bait.

Yankees1962
06-07-07, 04:34 PM
5 outs for Schill..this day gets better.
Nothing to it.

TheYankee
06-07-07, 04:35 PM
I meant in the minors.Why does it matter if he contributes in the minors?
EDIT: Just saw your other post...

Steph19
06-07-07, 04:35 PM
Rangers picking yet again... Are they the team for Harvey?

Steph19
06-07-07, 04:36 PM
Neil Ramirez to Texas. Nice pick.

destiNY
06-07-07, 04:36 PM
Rangers picking yet again... Are they the team for Harvey?

I hope so

Yankees1962
06-07-07, 04:36 PM
Fair enough, but why would we be making decisions based on how quickly they can hop through the minors?
Don't confuse my thoughts with what the Yankees are thinking. Perhaps, the Yankees think he was the best pitcher available even with the possibility of TJ surgery.

TheYankee
06-07-07, 04:36 PM
Unreal, Schilling is through 8...

BJG
06-07-07, 04:36 PM
What I meant was that he should get started on his career in the minors. As I said before a guy with a risky elbow should be taken later in the draft like the 6th round or later, that way if he needs surgery it's not as big a deal. A first round pick should not be sitting out a year waiting to recover from surgery.

brackman was not going to make it to anyone in the 2nd round, let alone the 6h round.

i know where melancon fell last year, but melancon also wasn't slated to be a top 5 pick.

TheYankee
06-07-07, 04:37 PM
Don't confuse my thoughts with what the Yankees are thinking. Perhaps, the Yankees think he was the best pitcher available even with the possibility of TJ surgery.Ok...

albo4lyfe
06-07-07, 04:37 PM
Is SF trying to save some money now?

Steph19
06-07-07, 04:37 PM
Justin Jackson to Toronto.

Yankees1962
06-07-07, 04:37 PM
brackman was not going to make it to anyone in the 2nd round, let alone the 6h round.

i know where melancon fell last year, but melancon also wasn't slated to be a top 5 pick.
Furthermore, Melancon was a closer, not a starter like Brackman.

albo4lyfe
06-07-07, 04:38 PM
Toronto pops Jackson.. thank God.

ARoDfan4life
06-07-07, 04:38 PM
so Schill gets a no hitter really whho cares. I bet he absolutely gets it and Red Sox nation starts talkin crap.

Mark19
06-07-07, 04:38 PM
Wow, Oakland is terrible

albo4lyfe
06-07-07, 04:39 PM
Wow, Oakland is terrible

But Dan Haren rules. Man that guy's good.

mhmajp
06-07-07, 04:39 PM
sure. but if its true can we ban you?:)

Ouch! Nice one!

albo4lyfe
06-07-07, 04:40 PM
Anyone remember what Brackman's perceived price tag was?

mhmajp
06-07-07, 04:44 PM
What I meant was that he should get started on his career in the minors. As I said before a guy with a risky elbow should be taken later in the draft like the 6th round or later, that way if he needs surgery it's not as big a deal. A first round pick should not be sitting out a year waiting to recover from surgery.

They may just have felt that Brackman is their guy and with no comp picks, a 6'10 pitcher who has hit 99 MPH might not last to the mid 90s picks. I'm not attacking or defending the pick, but if that's the logic, it's...well, logical.

I was higher on Harvey and Smoker, but you know what? I sit at a desk in a suit not scouting players all year long. The closest I get to the players, generally, is going to my seats at the Stadium and working with some guys who bank the organization. So I'm a lot less likely to be right than Cashman/Oppenheimer.

albo4lyfe
06-07-07, 04:47 PM
47. Mets - Nathan Vineyard, LHP, HS
48. Cubs - Josh Donaldson, C, Col
49. WSH - Michael Burgess, OF, HS
50. ARI - Wes Roemer, RHP, Col

Yanks21
06-07-07, 04:47 PM
Shannon Stewart for President...

ARoDfan4life
06-07-07, 04:47 PM
NO HITTER GONE

IrishYankee
06-07-07, 04:48 PM
I second that. AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

TheYankee
06-07-07, 04:48 PM
Oh poor, poor Schilling.... LOL.... down to your last out, and you give up a basehit... awesome...

Yanks21
06-07-07, 04:48 PM
BTW, I really like what the Nationals and Texas are doing so far...

albo4lyfe
06-07-07, 04:48 PM
Harvey is going to be there for the Sox if they choose to take him and they'd be foolish not to.

albo4lyfe
06-07-07, 04:49 PM
Seattle takes Matt Mangini... good pick.

Steph19
06-07-07, 04:50 PM
I like the Nat's pick, going with Burgess down at 49.

vin777b
06-07-07, 04:50 PM
Harvey is going to be there for the Sox if they choose to take him and they'd be foolish not to.


and payback for Schilling losing the no-hitter.

destiNY
06-07-07, 04:50 PM
rangers with a chance to steal harvey from the sawx

albo4lyfe
06-07-07, 04:52 PM
rangers with a chance to steal harvey from the sawx

If they wanted him, they would've taken him sooner.

The Dynasty
06-07-07, 04:52 PM
And he falls right into their laps.

destiNY
06-07-07, 04:53 PM
passed on harvey, wow, maybe they waitin on him for their other supple.

Steph19
06-07-07, 04:53 PM
they pass on Harvey! Maybe we can still get him?

rca1230
06-07-07, 04:53 PM
Red Sox didnt take Harvey

wow

TheMelkyWay28
06-07-07, 04:53 PM
Red Sox pick LHP Hagadone.

albo4lyfe
06-07-07, 04:54 PM
Sox take Hagadone... nice pick.

sahara
06-07-07, 04:54 PM
And they don't take him. Hmmm.

Maybe he's become this year's (not quite as special) Dellin? Yankees or school? /delusional

The Dynasty
06-07-07, 04:54 PM
They'll pick him later on.

DaYanks24
06-07-07, 04:54 PM
Is Harvey dead set on going to UNC?

Mark19
06-07-07, 04:54 PM
what's a hagadone?

Let me guess:

Gammons: A true steal, most considered him to be equal to or better than Price. No question, he will be a big part of their 5-headed ace in 2009.

JeterRodriguezSheff
06-07-07, 04:54 PM
Wow, Red Sox pass on Harvey and Schilling gives up the no no with 2 outs.

The Dynasty
06-07-07, 04:54 PM
Is Harvey dead set on going to UNC?

Hmmm, perhaps.

albo4lyfe
06-07-07, 04:55 PM
Sox pick 2 more times before our pick, they'll pick very soon(62), so they can take him then.

In Mo I Trust
06-07-07, 04:55 PM
Wow, that's good.

Steph19
06-07-07, 04:56 PM
Why is this draft still moving at a snail's pace?

BJG
06-07-07, 04:57 PM
Hmmm, perhaps.

dead set? no. pretty set? that's what he's made it seem like.

Yanks21
06-07-07, 04:57 PM
Matt Harvey and Jack McGeary are the two most likely of the touted high school arms to be headed to college. Been that way for a while...

albo4lyfe
06-07-07, 04:57 PM
The Pads sure love them college players, don't they?

The Dynasty
06-07-07, 04:59 PM
If Harvey is available for the Yanks' next pick, I'd throw him extra "Cash" (money that may have been slotted for a healthy Brackman) to sign.

just-blaze
06-07-07, 04:59 PM
Hey....draft pick number 58 went to one of my old high schools and of course that's to the Angels.

Big Game Andy
06-07-07, 04:59 PM
The Rangers have really drafted tremendously well, I am suprised.

Yanks21
06-07-07, 04:59 PM
The Pads sure love them college players, don't they?

Except when they blow the first pick of the draft...

albo4lyfe
06-07-07, 05:00 PM
A's take another college player. What a surprise. They really should go back to drafting college players 'cause their HS guys haven't done much at all.

Buzah!
06-07-07, 05:00 PM
I think Harvey is pulling a Betances. Draft is going faster now.

Steph19
06-07-07, 05:01 PM
If Harvey is available for the Yanks' next pick, I'd throw him extra "Cash" (money that may have been slotted for a healthy Brackman) to sign.

It's seeming more and more likely that Harvey will keep dropping. We might not even need to draft him in the next round to get him.

albo4lyfe
06-07-07, 05:01 PM
Except when they blow the first pick of the draft...

LMAO. That's very true.

spyglass
06-07-07, 05:01 PM
I think Harvey is pulling a Betances. Draft is going faster now.
Any chance he might still be there for us when we pick next?

destiNY
06-07-07, 05:01 PM
If Harvey is available for the Yanks' next pick, I'd throw him extra "Cash" (money that may have been slotted for a healthy Brackman) to sign.

The sox still have 2 more picks before us so we'll see...

Snatch Catch
06-07-07, 05:02 PM
From the NoMaas interview with PGCrosschecker:

http://www.nomaas.org/perfectgame.html


I really think Harvey is UNC bound with McGeary heading to Stanford, but we'll find out in a few days.

Sox could take him here at 62, but some people think he's going to school...

albo4lyfe
06-07-07, 05:03 PM
................ing Detroit... they pop another high-ceiling HS pitcher in Brandon Hamilton. They're really starting to get to my nerves. Why didn't they take Harvey. They obviously have the money.

The Dynasty
06-07-07, 05:03 PM
The sox still have 2 more picks before us so we'll see...

Unfortunately. Unless he's stubbornly committed to UNC, if I'm a big-market team, I take the chance.

Steph19
06-07-07, 05:03 PM
Diamondbacks know something about Easley that MLB.com's scouting report doesn't? They project him as a potential backup catcher.

Buzah!
06-07-07, 05:04 PM
Any chance he might still be there for us when we pick next?sure. Betances fell all the way to the 8th last year, and Melancon to the 9th!

rca1230
06-07-07, 05:04 PM
Red Sox select Ryan Dent

hmm I bet Red Sox take Harvey right before the Yankees pick

Yanks21
06-07-07, 05:05 PM
Red Sox pick Ryan Dent. Like him a lot. Nice pick...

destiNY
06-07-07, 05:05 PM
passed on him #2...interesting.

rca1230
06-07-07, 05:05 PM
anybody know what happened to that radio feed that they usually have? they had it last year.. dont really like the online webcast.. i liked how you got the draft picks quick and easy with that

NYYWilliams51
06-07-07, 05:05 PM
Red Sox select Ryan Dent

hmm I bet Red Sox take Harvey right before the Yankees pick

Gotta love the Sox taking a shortstop named Dent.

Buzah!
06-07-07, 05:05 PM
Red Sox select Ryan Dent

hmm I bet Red Sox take Harvey right before the Yankees pickWhy? He may be pulling a Betances.

albo4lyfe
06-07-07, 05:05 PM
Sox take Ryan Dent. It's a solid pick. Raw HS guy, with how our staff can't seem to get any to transform their tools I've become very wary of them.

homer2931
06-07-07, 05:06 PM
Since when was TJ surgery an automatic indictment of a failed pitcher?

It isn't.
But now we're talking about a guy who's going to be 22-23, have no arm strength (maybe I mean durability, I'm referring to the low IP totals) and some mechanical issues to work out

albo4lyfe
06-07-07, 05:07 PM
Kyle Blair, a favorite of mine is slipping. And so is Will Middlebrooks.

scooterfan
06-07-07, 05:10 PM
It isn't.
But now we're talking about a guy who's going to be 22-23, have no arm strength (maybe I mean durability, I'm referring to the low IP totals) and some mechanical issues to work out

Might want to go back to Snatch's link to an interview at NoMaas of the PGCrosschecker guy.

Brackman is a big-time talent

I guess the big question is - would he have lasted to pick #94? Probably not... maybe even with the possibility of surgery

Jace
06-07-07, 05:13 PM
I really wonder if Harvey does a Betances thing. Nobody drafts him until after the 6th or so round, and then the Yankees take a flier because he's a fan and they buy him out of school

JeterRodriguezSheff
06-07-07, 05:14 PM
Brackman is a gamble. If it works out it WILL be looked upon as one of the best if not the best pick of the draft. He has big time upside and talent, but of course there has to be a reason somebody who has the potential to be an Ace pitcher lasted to us at 30 and that is the health problems. I dont see anything wrong with the pick, id rather a gamble than a repeat of last year's crap with picking a pitcher who has number 3 upside.

destiNY
06-07-07, 05:15 PM
Has there been another pick outside of the Padres 64th pick?? It has sat there a while.

albo4lyfe
06-07-07, 05:16 PM
I really wonder if Harvey does a Betances thing. Nobody drafts him until after the 6th or so round, and then the Yankees take a flier because he's a fan and they buy him out of school

That'd be freakin' awesome.

jughead
06-07-07, 05:16 PM
I left at the Yankees last pick... has Harvey really not been taken yet?

albo4lyfe
06-07-07, 05:16 PM
Seriously, what the hell's taking so long?

rca1230
06-07-07, 05:16 PM
end of round 1

should be starting round 2 soon

yankeesmarc923
06-07-07, 05:17 PM
god damn devil rays taking too long

yankeesmarc923
06-07-07, 05:17 PM
I left at the Yankees last pick... has Harvey really not been taken yet?

yep...made it all the way through the first round and supplemental first round

Yanks21
06-07-07, 05:18 PM
god damn devil rays taking too long

It's a 15 minute break...

albo4lyfe
06-07-07, 05:18 PM
It's not the Rays. It's ESPN/MLB whoever.

sodenj5
06-07-07, 05:18 PM
It's the end of the round. Round 2 is starting.

jughead
06-07-07, 05:18 PM
yep...made it all the way through the first round and supplemental first round
Wow. If the Yankees can snag him with the next pick (still a long way off) it'll make the Brackman pick look a lot better

rca1230
06-07-07, 05:18 PM
no its not

espn is off the coverage

its a 15-20 minute wait between rounds

give it time

albo4lyfe
06-07-07, 05:20 PM
Isn't ESPN covering in until 8.30?

Yanks21
06-07-07, 05:20 PM
They're only going through round 5 tonight...

rca1230
06-07-07, 05:21 PM
espn has been off since 6

Yanks21
06-07-07, 05:21 PM
Isn't ESPN covering in until 8.30?

6:00 p.m.

Philip Hughes Fan
06-07-07, 05:21 PM
Wow. If the Yankees can snag him with the next pick (still a long way off) it'll make the Brackman pick look a lot better

It would remind me a bit of last year where I would have been happier with Chamberlain in the 1st round and Kennedy in the 2nd. Of course it doesn't matter now since we got both of them, but I'd rather them value Chamberlain (or Harvey) more than Kennedy (or Brackman).

Yanks21
06-07-07, 05:22 PM
I don't think Harvey gets picked until tomorrow...

rca1230
06-07-07, 05:24 PM
round 2 has started

william kline off the board

albo4lyfe
06-07-07, 05:25 PM
espn has been off since 6


I see. I haven't been watching ESPN. Didn't watch it much, only when Selig was making the calls.

destiNY
06-07-07, 05:25 PM
We have begun!

albo4lyfe
06-07-07, 05:25 PM
Nice pick for KC with Runion.

ICEBERG18
06-07-07, 05:25 PM
Kevin Goldstein (2:04:02 PM PST): The Yankees finish up the first round by taking Andrew Brackman. Maybe the Oliver Stone theories were correct, and it really was a big ol' orchestration to drop him to the Yankees -- and maybe not. I don't think I like the pick, even at 30.


BSmith (2:05:35 PM PST): He's fun to watch pitch, I know, but at some point, the results have to matter. The consistency isn't there, the dominance has never been there, and earlier in the year, I wrote about his struggles against 1-5 hitters in the ACC. He is probably going to do well in the low minors, if he's healthy, but I don't see him having much more success than Jon Rauch.

Yanks21
06-07-07, 05:27 PM
Washington just took Jordan Zimmerman. Tremendous pick. Really liked him potentially at 95...

albo4lyfe
06-07-07, 05:28 PM
................ Goldstein. He trashed our draft last year. That idiot.