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teknetic
06-17-07, 12:20 AM
Hey man sorry for the unrelated question:( but how did you get your userbars to go like that with different ones changing every few seconds?

Thanks

This worked for me when I used it a while back.

http://ubanimator.com/

ppa79
06-17-07, 07:59 AM
Come on Philly, We'll help you out and you guys help us out.

yankeebot
06-17-07, 08:06 AM
Hey man sorry for the unrelated question:( but how did you get your userbars to go like that with different ones changing every few seconds?

Thanks http://userbarmaker.com/ and click on userbar animator 2.0

Here's yours

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/9913/741182085411ap5.gif

YanksFan1992
06-17-07, 12:12 PM
Thanks!:)

Bob Saccomano
06-17-07, 12:13 PM
they are 12-6 in one run games.
We are 4-10.

Ouch. we do have a lot of blow-out wins however

I saw that last night, and I hope that the trends start correcting. A few of those 1 run losses have come against the Red Sox, too. It pains me that the expected win-loss for the Yanks puts them at maybe a game or 2 games behind the Red Sox, but I'm hoping that the trends start playing out the way they should.

BonusCantos
06-17-07, 01:12 PM
San Francisco at Boston is underway as the Sox go for the sweep of the hapless Giants -- I can't track this one until much later, as I have a father who needs to go out for Father's Day. :)

CallOfTheCrow
06-17-07, 01:48 PM
SF & Boston are tied at 2 in the top of the 3rd

Philly is up 2-1 going into the top of the 5th

Janttje
06-17-07, 01:56 PM
Seattle is 6-1 behind top 3rd

E-Rod
06-17-07, 02:08 PM
SF & Boston are tied at 2 in the top of the 3rd

Philly is up 2-1 going into the top of the 5th

Boston with 7 now at bottom of 3rd, i hope San Francisco play the same way when we visit them this week.

frostdude1
06-17-07, 02:58 PM
Bonds homered in fenway paaaaak

Janttje
06-17-07, 03:14 PM
Bases Loaded now in Fenway.. With Molina at bat

And he grounds into a DP :(

Big Game Andy
06-17-07, 03:42 PM
Nice to see the Giants bending down for the Red Sox. Hopefully they do the same for us.

EDIT: Love seeing Lugo get booed. I thought Red Sox fans didn't boo their own players :confused:?

indianyanksfan
06-17-07, 03:44 PM
Nice to see the Giants bending down for the Red Sox. Hopefully they do the same for us.

EDIT: Love seeing Lugo get booed. I thought Red Sox fans didn't boo their own players :confused:?

giants are so useless...at least the phills showed some fight and beat detroit this series.

BonusCantos
06-17-07, 03:46 PM
Boston's going to sweep the Giants. They're by far the worst team in that division.

Big Game Andy
06-17-07, 04:03 PM
A chant for a middle reliever? "Okajima" :roflmao: :roflmao:

How long until he gets booed after he comes back to Earth soon?

BonusCantos
06-17-07, 04:19 PM
Division race: pitching matchups for the next several days

NY Yankees at Colorado
Tuesday: Mussina vs. Fogg
Wednesday: Pettitte vs. Francis
Thursday: Clemens vs. Lopez

Boston at Atlanta
Monday: Schilling vs. James
Tuesday: Beckett vs. Hudson
Wednesday: Tavarez vs. Carlyle

Good matchups for the Yankees, heavily favorable matchups for the Red Sox

Mel Marquis
06-17-07, 04:30 PM
Nice to see the Giants bending down for the Red Sox. Hopefully they do the same for us.

EDIT: Love seeing Lugo get booed. I thought Red Sox fans didn't boo their own players :confused:?

The Giants are about as bad of a team as I've seen all year. They shouldn't give you too much trouble.

Lugo is going through a really, really bad stretch right now and deserved to get booed. He can't even get a bunt down - he popped it up to the pitcher.

YASS
06-17-07, 04:32 PM
Division race: pitching matchups for the next several days

NY Yankees at Colorado
Tuesday: Mussina vs. Fogg
Wednesday: Pettitte vs. Francis
Thursday: Clemens vs. Lopez

Boston at Atlanta
Monday: Schilling vs. James
Tuesday: Beckett vs. Hudson
Wednesday: Tavarez vs. Carlyle

Good matchups for the Yankees, heavily favorable matchups for the Red Sox

Francis is the guy the Yankees have to worry about, IMO. Francis pitched tough at Fenway, and the Yankees have had some trouble against lefties. They're less lefty-heavy since Giambi went onto the DL, though, so maybe that's no longer a problem.

Chuck James vs. Schilling is a matchup favoring Atlanta, I think. He's a lefty who changes speeds (which nullifies Drew completely), and Schilling has been very erratic.

Otherwise, I agree that the rest of the matchups favor the AL teams.

NYIndian2005
06-17-07, 04:49 PM
Beckett got lit up in his last outing and he didn't pitch too well in the one before that. I wonder if he's going back to last season's Beckett. Sure hope so.

YASS
06-17-07, 04:53 PM
Beckett got lit up in his last outing and he didn't pitch too well in the one before that. I wonder if he's going back to last season's Beckett. Sure hope so.

Hudson got spanked like a disobedient 3rd grader in Fenway earlier this year, so it doesn't depend only on Beckett.

MaineSoxFan
06-17-07, 05:07 PM
Beckett got lit up in his last outing and he didn't pitch too well in the one before that. I wonder if he's going back to last season's Beckett. Sure hope so.

The outing before last, he went 8 innings, giving up 3 runs, 2 earned with 8 ks and only 5 hits. If you consider that not pitching too well you have imcredibly high standards.

JeterRodriguezSheff
06-17-07, 05:13 PM
The outing before last, he went 8 innings, giving up 3 runs, 2 earned with 8 ks and only 5 hits. If you consider that not pitching too well you have imcredibly high standards.

Well the 6 ip 4 ER outing before that one wasnt great.

MaineSoxFan
06-17-07, 05:35 PM
Well the 6 ip 4 ER outing before that one wasnt great.

Nope, though against the Yankees. But, my response was directed to the poster's question about whether Beckett might somehow be reverting to last year.

JeterRodriguezSheff
06-17-07, 05:40 PM
Nope, though against the Yankees. But, my response was directed to the poster's question about whether Beckett might somehow be reverting to last year.

That reamins to be seen and I only say that because of the blister problem he had earlier in the year. I remember last season he was doing pretty well until he flipped out on a reporter who asked him about a blister, and then his curve wasnt the same.

Meecham4ever
06-17-07, 06:07 PM
A chant for a middle reliever? "Okajima" :roflmao: :roflmao:

How long until he gets booed after he comes back to Earth soon?

From your lips to HIS ears...but I'm not sure it's going to happen....I really think that Cash missed the boat on this guy.....g*d da*n Epstein.... :(

Pagliarulo Era
06-18-07, 05:50 AM
The latest PECOTA odds:




AL East (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/aleastpec.png) W L Pct3 Avg W Avg L Champions Wild Card Playoffs
Red Sox (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/RedSoxpsoddspec.php) 43 24 .622 102.2 59.8 91.94943 5.17496 97.12439
Yankees (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/Yankeespsoddspec.php) 34 32 .577 89.1 72.9 7.31644 31.51532 38.83176
Blue Jays (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/Bluepsoddspec.php) 33 34 .518 80.1 81.9 .62618 3.91366 4.53984
Devil Rays (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/Devilpsoddspec.php) 29 37 .447 68.1 93.9 .01094 .03784 .04879
Orioles (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/Oriolespsoddspec.php) 29 39 .504 74.8 87.2 .09701 .54885 .64586



AL Central (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/alcentpec.png) W L Pct3 Avg W Avg L Champions Wild Card Playoffs
Indians (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/Indianspsoddspec.php) 39 28 .549 92.4 69.6 55.70667 11.93139 67.63807
Tigers (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/Tigerspsoddspec.php) 38 29 .547 90.5 71.5 40.00022 14.07614 54.07637
Twins (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/Twinspsoddspec.php) 33 33 .500 80.3 81.7 4.19958 2.52152 6.72110
White Sox (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/Whitepsoddspec.php) 28 36 .421 68.6 93.4 .08986 .04002 .12988
Royals (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/Royalspsoddspec.php) 27 42 .400 63.5 98.5 .00367 .00177 .00543


AL West (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/aleestpec.png) W L Pct3 Avg W Avg L Champions Wild Card Playoffs
Angels (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/Angelspsoddspec.php) 43 26 .557 94.3 67.7 66.65762 10.57253 77.23014
Athletics (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/Athleticspsoddspec.php) 37 30 .562 89.6 72.4 29.60198 16.33755 45.93953
Mariners (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/Marinerspsoddspec.php) 35 30 .479 80.7 81.3 3.72350 3.31794 7.04144
Rangers (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/Rangerspsoddspec.php) 25 43 .448 66.4 95.6 .01690 .01050 .02740



Still going to take a minor miracle to win the division, but we've taken a hold of the Wild Card odds.

FingersCrossed
06-18-07, 05:58 AM
We'll go for the miracle. 2 more winning streaks like the last one we've had and it'll make things very interesting.

BonusCantos
06-18-07, 07:22 AM
Hail Atlanta! (Maybe...they haven't won a series from the Sox since 2004)

PittsburghYankeeFan
06-18-07, 08:28 AM
Big Papi's got hamstring problems? The Sox could be just one long stretch out at 1B from disaster...

TEPLimey
06-18-07, 08:43 AM
From your lips to HIS ears...but I'm not sure it's going to happen....I really think that Cash missed the boat on this guy.....g*d da*n Epstein.... :(
Cashman was expected to know that Okijima would take to his new offspeed stuff like a fish to water? Cashman saw a guy who threw 87 MPH "heat" with average numbers in Japan and decided to pass. Okijima happens to run into a proactive pitching coach in Boston who taught him a new change, which is why he's been so effective this season. If Cashman signed him, then who knows if he develops that new pitch? We could be stuck with a crappy middle reliever.

This isn't a "Cashman missed the boat" set of circumstances. This was the stars aligning for a Boston team that got very lucky with a signing that could (and probably should) have been a poor decision.

knickfan23
06-18-07, 09:11 AM
We'll go for the miracle. 2 more winning streaks like the last one we've had and it'll make things very interesting.

Have you seen the next 40-50 games? Take away the A's and Angels from that schedule, the Yanks should be on a continual hot streak through August 15th.

BonusCantos
06-18-07, 09:30 AM
Once the Yankees came down from 14.5 back to 8.5 back, it went from requiring a miracle to being on the very high end of doable. Should Atlanta pull a rabbit out of their cap and actually win tonight, the Yankees would only be 7 behind in the loss column. There's still plenty of time to play for 1st place.

b-ball-lunachick
06-18-07, 09:37 AM
Ugh - -another annoying tidbit from the Red Sox radio broadcast this weekend...Castiglione says (I'm paraphrasing"):

"Jeter was quoted as saying he's not watching the scoreboard."
Two seconds later
"When Tito was asked about watching the scoreboard, he says 'of course I do -- it's out there for 38,000 people to see"
then chuckles..

snide little knock that Jeter is a liar...this was a half hour after he made his ridiuculous remarks about Ortiz's tirade...that guy is an obnoxious homer...

NYYStateofMind21355
06-18-07, 09:39 AM
Ugh - -another annoying tidbit from the Red Sox radio broadcast this weekend...Castiglione says (I'm paraphrasing"):

"Jeter was quoted as saying he's not watching the scoreboard."
Two seconds later
"When Tito was asked about watching the scoreboard, he says 'of course I do -- it's out there for 38,000 people to see"
then chuckles..

snide little knock that Jeter is a liar...this was a half hour after he made his ridiuculous remarks about Ortiz's tirade...that guy is an obnoxious homer...

What tirade was this? I must have missed that.

b-ball-lunachick
06-18-07, 09:43 AM
What tirade was this? I must have missed that.

I posted about Castiglione's ridiculous response to Ortiz's tirade in the Red Sox thread:
http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread.php?t=104233&page=28

Ortiz was thrown out of the game for arguing the strike zone on Friday (big surprise ;) ) and then was interviewed after the game on Saturday and went into a cursing tirade about the two umpires on Friday and Saturday and how Beckett would have thrown a no-hitter if he had that strike zone, etc..hard to hear most of it because every other word was a curse....yup, that was the media darling Ortiz. ;)

NYYStateofMind21355
06-18-07, 09:45 AM
I posted about Castiglione's ridiculous response to Ortiz's tirade in the Red Sox thread:
http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread.php?t=104233&page=28

Ortiz was thrown out of the game for arguing the strike zone on Friday (big surprise ;) ) and then was interviewed after the game on Saturday and went into a cursing tirade about the two umpires on Friday and Saturday and how Beckett would have thrown a no-hitter if he had that strike zone, etc..hard to hear most of it because every other word was a curse....yup, that was the media darling Ortiz. ;)

Wow! Thanks so much for filling me in, Lunachick.

Yikes, I can understand being upset over a call, but that sounds like a bit much. I can only imagine the fall out had that been one of the Yankees!

NYDCYankee
06-18-07, 01:34 PM
Braves could really give Boston a run here.

I love the fact that one of each of Boston's three best players will have to sit (Youk, Ortiz, Lowell) over the next week.

I LOVE the fact that the Sox play San Diego this weekend and face C. Young, Maddox and Peavy.

One negative over this week is that the Nationals play Detroit first and then Cleveland.

yanksphan
06-18-07, 01:38 PM
I'll be at all the SD/BOS games this weekend. Looking forward to Peavy/Schilling on Sunday....

BonusCantos
06-18-07, 01:39 PM
FYI, tonight's Sox/Braves game will be carried nationally on ESPN.

Boston is on quite a long road trip that will swing them to Atlanta, San Diego, and Seattle. That's a lot of miles.

sweet_lou_14
06-18-07, 01:39 PM
Braves could really give Boston a run here.

I love the fact that one of each of Boston's three best players will have to sit (Youk, Ortiz, Lowell) over the next week.

I LOVE the fact that the Sox play San Diego this weekend and face C. Young, Maddox and Peavy.

One negative over this week is that the Nationals play Detroit first and then Cleveland.

Agreed that the Yankees will get little help from Washington, but the Sox' schedule over the next three series is FAR tougher than the Yankees'. First of all they have to travel the four corners of the country (Boston-Atlanta-SD-Seattle), and second, Atlanta-SD-Seattle is much more difficult than Colorado-SF-Baltimore.

I want the Yankees to gain two or three games in the standings in the next 10 days.

YASS
06-18-07, 01:42 PM
Ugh - -another annoying tidbit from the Red Sox radio broadcast this weekend...Castiglione says (I'm paraphrasing"):

"Jeter was quoted as saying he's not watching the scoreboard."
Two seconds later
"When Tito was asked about watching the scoreboard, he says 'of course I do -- it's out there for 38,000 people to see"
then chuckles..

snide little knock that Jeter is a liar...this was a half hour after he made his ridiuculous remarks about Ortiz's tirade...that guy is an obnoxious homer...

OK, BBL, I don't understand what the problem is with this. I didn't hear the radio broadcast, so I'm going only by your post, but ...

You say Joe Castiglione quoted Derek Jeter as saying he doesn't watch the scoreboard, and then followed that up by saying that Tito Francona has said he does watch the scoreboard.

How does that insinuate in any way that Jeter is a liar? Are you reading some meaning into the chuckle? If so, I think that's kind of a reach.

b-ball-lunachick
06-18-07, 01:43 PM
Wow! Thanks so much for filling me in, Lunachick.

Yikes, I can understand being upset over a call, but that sounds like a bit much. I can only imagine the fall out had that been one of the Yankees!
No problem...glad to help. :) If it had been a Yankee, it would have been the lead story on sportscenter. ;) But Papi is so loveable. :D

b-ball-lunachick
06-18-07, 01:44 PM
Braves could really give Boston a run here.

I love the fact that one of each of Boston's three best players will have to sit (Youk, Ortiz, Lowell) over the next week.

I LOVE the fact that the Sox play San Diego this weekend and face C. Young, Maddox and Peavy.

One negative over this week is that the Nationals play Detroit first and then Cleveland.

I'm not so sure about the Braves..didn't they play pretty poorly against Boston earlier in the year?

Also, Young and or Peavy might be suspended...

I guess we'll see..I try not to worry too much about the other teams -- I just concentrate on the Yankees winning...the games I think others will win, they don't and vice-versa. :D

Jace
06-18-07, 01:45 PM
OK, BBL, I don't understand what the problem is with this. I didn't hear the radio broadcast, so I'm going only by your post, but ...

You say Joe Castiglione quoted Derek Jeter as saying he doesn't watch the scoreboard, and then followed that up by saying that Tito Francona has said he does watch the scoreboard.

How does that insinuate in any way that Jeter is a liar? Are you reading some meaning into the chuckle? If so, I think that's kind of a reach.

Good lord. As you said, you didn't even hear the broadcast. Annoying over-objectivity wet blanket on a fan message board strikes again

b-ball-lunachick
06-18-07, 01:55 PM
OK, BBL, I don't understand what the problem is with this. I didn't hear the radio broadcast, so I'm going only by your post, but ...

You say Joe Castiglione quoted Derek Jeter as saying he doesn't watch the scoreboard, and then followed that up by saying that Tito Francona has said he does watch the scoreboard.

How does that insinuate in any way that Jeter is a liar? Are you reading some meaning into the chuckle? If so, I think that's kind of a reach.

Well, I will give you that I was already nauseous over the ball-washing on Ortiz earlier in the broadcast, so maybe I was more sensitive ;) ...but what else is that to mean? he makes the Jeter statement out of the blue -- not even talking about the Yankees at least that half inning...then made the Tito comment with a sarcastic laugh --sounded to me like he was questioning how 38,000 people watch nightly as well as Francona and the Red Sox, yet Jeter doesn't watch...he definitely didn't come out and say exactly what he was getting at -- I probably would have respected him more than just inferring it..

since you answered this post about the broadcast, I'd be interested in your response to the other part of the broadcast that I posted in the Red Sox thread about Papi.. :)

BonusCantos
06-18-07, 02:01 PM
Projecting out the rotation a little bit, I've already given the NYY/COL matchups, but these figure to be the NYY/SF matchups:

Igawa vs. Cain
Wang vs. Morris
Mussina vs. Lowry

YASS
06-18-07, 02:11 PM
Well, I will give you that I was already nauseous over the ball-washing on Ortiz earlier in the broadcast, so maybe I was more sensitive ;) ...but what else is that to mean? he makes the Jeter statement out of the blue -- not even talking about the Yankees at least that half inning...then made the Tito comment with a sarcastic laugh --sounded to me like he was questioning how 38,000 people watch nightly as well as Francona and the Red Sox, yet Jeter doesn't watch...he definitely didn't come out and say exactly what he was getting at -- I probably would have respected him more than just inferring it..

since you answered this post about the broadcast, I'd be interested in your response to the other part of the broadcast that I posted in the Red Sox thread about Papi.. :)

I'll have to go and read the other post before I comment, BBL. I didn't hear what Castiglione said, and this is the first I've heard about it. I read about Papi's anti-umpire outburst after he got tossed the other day, though. I've said over and over that he's got to stop baiting umpires. What does he expect when he shows them up day after day? David Ortiz is not a fan, and he can't talk about umpires like fans do.

Now, about the chuckle ... hearing it might give you a different impression than just reading about it, but my first impression on reading your post was that he might have been chuckling at how counterintuitive it is that Jeter (who is on the team currently trailing) doesn't scoreboard watch, while the manager of the team in the lead does.

BTW, I carry no water for Joe Castiglione. I could probably count on one hand the number of Red Sox radio broadcasts I've heard in the past couple of years, so I really just don't know him very well.

yankeebot
06-18-07, 02:16 PM
Well, I will give you that I was already nauseous over the ball-washing on Ortiz earlier in the broadcast, so maybe I was more sensitive ;) ...but what else is that to mean? he makes the Jeter statement out of the blue -- not even talking about the Yankees at least that half inning...then made the Tito comment with a sarcastic laugh --sounded to me like he was questioning how 38,000 people watch nightly as well as Francona and the Red Sox, yet Jeter doesn't watch...he definitely didn't come out and say exactly what he was getting at -- I probably would have respected him more than just inferring it..

since you answered this post about the broadcast, I'd be interested in your response to the other part of the broadcast that I posted in the Red Sox thread about Papi.. :) Do you ever think about not listening? It's homer radio. Harmless and meant to pump up their fans and piss people like you off. Don't let them win. ;)

justinvarnes
06-18-07, 02:20 PM
Going to the Braves game tonight. Finally a good reason to root for them!

b-ball-lunachick
06-18-07, 02:22 PM
I'll have to go and read the other post before I comment, BBL. I didn't hear what Castiglione said, and this is the first I've heard about it. I read about Papi's anti-umpire outburst after he got tossed the other day, though. I've said over and over that he's got to stop baiting umpires. What does he expect when he shows them up day after day? David Ortiz is not a fan, and he can't talk about umpires like fans do.

Now, about the chuckle ... hearing it might give you a different impression than just reading about it, but my first impression on reading your post was that he might have been chuckling at how counterintuitive it is that Jeter (who is on the team currently trailing) doesn't scoreboard watch, while the manager of the team in the lead does.

BTW, I carry no water for Joe Castiglione. I could probably count on one hand the number of Red Sox radio broadcasts I've heard in the past couple of years, so I really just don't know him very well.

I know you've not been a fan of his chirping and have said that -- that's why I was interested in your take. :)

I think you had to hear the chuckle...I wasn't the only one in the car, and I think it was taken the same way by everyone. :)

b-ball-lunachick
06-18-07, 02:24 PM
Do you ever think about not listening? It's homer radio. Harmless and meant to pump up their fans and piss people like you off. Don't let them win. ;)

I didn't have much of a choice..we were driving back from NH and the Red Sox fan b/f wanted to hear his game. :D My tongue may be scarred from all the biting of it that I did yesterday. ;)

yankeebot
06-18-07, 02:28 PM
I didn't have much of a choice..we were driving back from NH and the Red Sox fan b/f wanted to hear his game. :D My tongue may be scarred from all the biting of it that I did yesterday. ;) Ah. Forgot about that bf of yours. I think I would plug into the IPOD and stare wistfully off into space. :lol:

YASS
06-18-07, 02:35 PM
Ah. Forgot about that bf of yours. I think I would plug into the IPOD and stare wistfully off into space. :lol:

And miss a BALL GAME???

yankeebot
06-18-07, 02:40 PM
And miss a BALL GAME??? Sorry, YASS. I'm not a "scoreboard watcher" (me and Jetes :P ) and my disdain for all things Red Sox (ok, present company excluded) makes listening to Castiglione somewhat akin to nails on a chalkboard. Of course, I have XM in the car so there's almost always a different ballgame to listen to.

YASS
06-18-07, 02:50 PM
Sorry, YASS. I'm not a "scoreboard watcher" (me and Jetes :P ) and my disdain for all things Red Sox (ok, present company excluded) makes listening to Castiglione somewhat akin to nails on a chalkboard. Of course, I have XM in the car so there's almost always a different ballgame to listen to.
Well, OK, then. But you really scared me with that IPOD thing.

yankeebot
06-18-07, 02:58 PM
Well, OK, then. But you really scared me with that IPOD thing. I understand and apologize. IPOD's can be very scary.

http://blog.pcnews.ro/wp-content/photo/11.jpg

Sheffield
06-18-07, 03:07 PM
Ortiz didn't start vs Unit? his back must be acting up again :)



Ortiz sat out a couple games against the yanks when Johnson pitched too.

YASS
06-18-07, 03:24 PM
Ortiz sat out a couple games against the yanks when Johnson pitched too.

When the Sox play in an NL park, they lose either Youkilis, Lowell, or Ortiz. The pattern over the last two years has been to have each of them sit for one day during a three-game series. If you're going to have to sit him one game anyway, it makes sense to do it against a tough lefty.

If he sat against the Yankees when RJ was pitching, I have no memory of it. But that's not why he sat the other day. That was just part of the long-standing NL park plan.

teknetic
06-18-07, 03:25 PM
Ortiz sat out a couple games against the yanks when Johnson pitched too.

Just a jab towards Ortiz. Think it was Unit's first game against Boston with NY and Francona left Ortiz out of the lineup claiming his back was giving him trouble.

NYDCYankee
06-18-07, 05:14 PM
I just wonder if Ortiz will be seeing the bench more often than not this week than at 1B considering the rumors of his health?

hunter05
06-18-07, 05:38 PM
I just wonder if Ortiz will be seeing the bench more often than not this week than at 1B considering the rumors of his health?

I probably have no business posting here, but his health, from what I know, unless you've heard something new, is fine. The hamstring problem or problems have cleared up.

BonusCantos
06-18-07, 05:40 PM
Ortiz is not in Boston's lineup tonight.

hunter05
06-18-07, 05:43 PM
He's going to take one game off anyway during the series, let it be against the southpaw

YASS
06-18-07, 05:43 PM
Ortiz is not in Boston's lineup tonight.

With the lefty going for Atlanta, that was to be expected. He'll play the other two games.

NYDCYankee
06-18-07, 06:06 PM
He's going to take one game off anyway during the series, let it be against the southpaw

Makes sense. And thanks for the news, I wasn't sure if his hammys had healed.

In Mo I Trust
06-18-07, 06:07 PM
I probably have no business posting here, but his health, from what I know, unless you've heard something new, is fine. The hamstring problem or problems have cleared up.

Why would you have no business posting here? Thanks for the info.

BonusCantos
06-18-07, 06:09 PM
Andruw Jones is down near the Mendoza line? Yeesh.

susieb8020
06-18-07, 06:11 PM
Andruw Jones is down near the Mendoza line? Yeesh.

IIRC he got the golden sombrero when he was in Fenway last month. He looked awful.

BonusCantos
06-18-07, 06:12 PM
IIRC he got the golden sombrero when he was in Fenway last month. He looked awful.
I think it was a platinum sombrero. But I guess I figured he'd rebound some since that last series...but he's gotten WORSE.

b-ball-lunachick
06-18-07, 06:19 PM
I probably have no business posting here, but his health, from what I know, unless you've heard something new, is fine. The hamstring problem or problems have cleared up.

I was wondering what that poster was referring to..I haven't heard anything about his health either...

tonight's probably a good chance for him to get a rest vs the lefty...even though it stinks that Lowell or Youkilis probaby comes out one of the games each tomorrow and wed, it at least gives them a rest...

BonusCantos
06-18-07, 06:30 PM
Boston 1
Atlanta 0

Top 2nd

CallOfTheCrow
06-18-07, 06:56 PM
Detroit 3
Washington 1


Top 4th

BonusCantos
06-18-07, 06:58 PM
Boston 1
Atlanta 1

Bottom 3rd

CallOfTheCrow
06-18-07, 07:03 PM
-does "The Chop"-

keg411
06-18-07, 07:10 PM
Games of Note minus the Boston/Atlanta:

Detroit 3, Washington 1
Cleveland 5, Philly 0
NYM 1, Minny 0

Oakland/Cincy & Houston/LAA later.

So far picking up wildcard ground doesn't look positive....

CallOfTheCrow
06-18-07, 07:12 PM
mike maroth with a leadoff double.........


now schilling with a 2 out single?


Im gonna be sick.

NZ NYY Fan
06-18-07, 07:18 PM
As had been said before. All our wild card rivals can win, and as long as boston lose I'll be happy.

Det 5
Was 1

and Schilling got a hit!

nnysiny
06-18-07, 07:20 PM
Schilling is throwing slop tonight. im surprised its 1-1

CallOfTheCrow
06-18-07, 07:22 PM
As had been said before. All our wild card rivals can win, and as long as boston lose I'll be happy.

Det 5
Was 1

and Schilling got a hit!


I guess we can put the kabash on this. Bases loaded 0 out.

CanoForPresident
06-18-07, 07:22 PM
wow Schills fastball is not breaking 86.

BonusCantos
06-18-07, 07:23 PM
Boston 1
Atlanta 2

Bottom 4th

nhyankeefan
06-18-07, 07:23 PM
McCann doubles, Braves take a 2-1 lead.

2nd and 3rd no outs for the Braves.

THEBOSS84
06-18-07, 07:23 PM
Sox down 2-1, and Braves are threatening for more with 2nd and 3rd no outs.

nhyankeefan
06-18-07, 07:24 PM
Wow, Snyder is up again. It seems like he's warming up every night now.

Andruw Jones helps Schilling out by swinging at a ball and popping the ball up to Drew.

BonusCantos
06-18-07, 07:24 PM
Andruw Jones is now an all-American out (and he's Dutch!)

CallOfTheCrow
06-18-07, 07:26 PM
good god are they really only getting 1 run out of this?

Gringaloca
06-18-07, 07:27 PM
A Jones forces it to right and end up with a weak fly ball. CJones cannot score.

Francoeur pops out to Youklis...2 down..

C'mon BRAVES..do not let Schmoopy off the hook here!!

nhyankeefan
06-18-07, 07:27 PM
good god are they really only getting 1 run out of this?

James is up with the bases loaded and two outs, so it looks like it.

Edit - thankfully I was wrong. 3-1 Braves.

BonusCantos
06-18-07, 07:27 PM
Boston 1
Atlanta 3

Bottom 4th

Gringaloca
06-18-07, 07:28 PM
Chuck James helps himself....:D

3-1 Los Bravos!

NZ NYY Fan
06-18-07, 07:29 PM
3-1 to braves now.


Det 8-1. why did we trade sheff? I know he's a problem - but he can hit

BonusCantos
06-18-07, 07:31 PM
3-1 to braves now.


Det 8-1. why did we trade sheff? I know he's a problem - but he can hit
You half-answered your own question. He's a problem, and the Yankees had Bobby.

Gringaloca
06-18-07, 07:31 PM
3-1 to braves now.


Det 8-1. why did we trade sheff? I know he's a problem - but he can hit

Needed young arms ...more than Sheff''s attitude;) Plus we have Bobby A ..who finally has turned it around..:D

PinstripePride
06-18-07, 07:32 PM
3-1 to braves now.


Det 8-1. why did we trade sheff? I know he's a problem - but he can hit

Youth.

NZ NYY Fan
06-18-07, 07:33 PM
fair enough. But in light of the Giambi situation - he might have been useful.
Of course I'm a long way removed, and hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Would have rather kept randy than sheff

BonusCantos
06-18-07, 07:35 PM
I wouldn't count on Joe D's record getting busted any time soon.

nnysiny
06-18-07, 07:36 PM
i hate the way Andruw Jones catches fly balls

Clive
06-18-07, 07:45 PM
Anybody watching the Brewers game?

Yovani Gallardo's first career AB and he gets an RBI double. :lol:

BonusCantos
06-18-07, 07:49 PM
Boston 1
Atlanta 6

Bottom 5th

Schilling out.

whoisthedogg
06-18-07, 07:49 PM
6-1 Bravos

Damn you beat me to it

teknetic
06-18-07, 07:50 PM
McCann is a monster.

WebsterMulligan
06-18-07, 07:50 PM
:roflmao:

:lol:

BonusCantos
06-18-07, 07:50 PM
What can I say, I'm fast.:)

JDPNYY
06-18-07, 07:51 PM
Any tears fall?

nnysiny
06-18-07, 07:51 PM
Schilling's current ERA: 4.20

WebsterMulligan
06-18-07, 07:51 PM
i hate the way Andruw Jones catches fly balls

You mean like ... smooth and effortlessly?

yankee maniac
06-18-07, 07:51 PM
Boston 1
Atlanta 6

Bottom 5th

Schilling out.

Is he crying?;)

BonusCantos
06-18-07, 07:51 PM
First game in 14 years with no K's for Curt.

In Mo I Trust
06-18-07, 07:52 PM
Schilling had nothing tonight.

WebsterMulligan
06-18-07, 07:52 PM
I hope this trend continues, with Schilling.

THEBOSS84
06-18-07, 07:53 PM
Schilling has been horrible his last 3 starts...vs Yanks, Rox, and the Braves tonight. Is he toast?

CallOfTheCrow
06-18-07, 07:54 PM
Schilling has been horrible his last 3 starts...vs Yanks, Rox, and the Braves tonight. Is he toast?


Probably not. Mussina was god awful 3 starts then put in 2 very good ones following.

CanoForPresident
06-18-07, 07:54 PM
Schilling has been horrible his last 3 starts...vs Yanks, Rox, and the Braves tonight. Is he toast?

he threw 8 2/3 no hit innings vs the a's 3 starts ago.

I'd be very worried about schilling if I was a sox fan. His stuff has looked terrible lately and he regressed pretty hard after the all star break last year.

BonusCantos
06-18-07, 07:55 PM
Schilling has been horrible his last 3 starts...vs Yanks, Rox, and the Braves tonight. Is he toast?
I wouldn't go that far, but he's been inconsistent at times this season.

WebsterMulligan
06-18-07, 07:57 PM
Schilling simply had location problems tonight. He left a lot of balls out over the plate.

Gringaloca
06-18-07, 07:58 PM
Schilling seems to go in fazes the last couple seasons. He'll have one or two really great outings..followed by 2 or 3 'crapizoids'.

Disadvantages of age ...that AZ arm just isn't there anymore:D

BonusCantos
06-18-07, 08:00 PM
Now it's 6-2.

nnysiny
06-18-07, 08:00 PM
Schilling simply had location problems tonight. He left a lot of balls out over the plate.

also no velocity

WebsterMulligan
06-18-07, 08:00 PM
What's with CoCo Crisp? Two HR's in a single game?

jeterismyhomeboy
06-18-07, 08:01 PM
Coco Crisp is not only a breakfast cereal, but an anomaly. That's just weird.

keg411
06-18-07, 08:01 PM
More non Sox/Braves updates:

Det 9, Wash 5
Philly 1, Cleveland 6
Minny 0, Mets 4
Cincy @ Oakland
Houston @ LAA

So far the Mets are being helpful and Washington is trying to catch up on Detroit....

Gringaloca
06-18-07, 08:01 PM
What's with CoCo Crisp? Two HR's in a single game?

Switched to Wheaties this morning...:)

Gringaloca
06-18-07, 08:03 PM
Chuck James out of the Braves game. Peter Moylan (RHP) in...

YASS
06-18-07, 08:07 PM
Schilling has been horrible his last 3 starts...vs Yanks, Rox, and the Braves tonight. Is he toast?

He's looking awfully crunchy.

PLAYER
06-18-07, 08:09 PM
What's with CoCo Crisp? Two HR's in a single game?

I know. Isn't he an annoying player? He was hitting .237 with 2 home runs and tonight he hits two and has about 3 hits already, I believe. I can't stand him or Youkilis just for the way they look.

NYDCYankee
06-18-07, 08:11 PM
He's looking awfully crunchy.

Crispy crunchy

Rastven
06-18-07, 08:12 PM
fair enough. But in light of the Giambi situation - he might have been useful.
Of course I'm a long way removed, and hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Would have rather kept randy than sheff

Both are better gone. Glad it's another night of Shelling for Schilling.

PS NZ NYY FAN - how much coverage you getting down in the old country these days (I'm a kiwi a transplanted to NY).

Sheffield
06-18-07, 08:12 PM
Schilling got schelled again!

YASS
06-18-07, 08:13 PM
also no velocity

Josh Beckett's changeup comes in with more pop than Curt's fastball over the last couple of outings.

He's old and he's not the picture of a conditioned athlete, but he was reaching back for 94 earlier in the year. Something seems to going on here beyond ordinary age-related suck.

CallOfTheCrow
06-18-07, 08:14 PM
at least Washington is making this a game now.

In Mo I Trust
06-18-07, 08:15 PM
Josh Beckett's changeup comes in with more pop than Curt's fastball over the last couple of outings.

He's old and he's not the picture of a conditioned athlete, but he was reaching back for 94 earlier in the year. Something seems to going on here beyond ordinary age-related suck.

Curt had a significant dropoff in the second half last year, I think we are in for more of the same this year.

NZ NYY Fan
06-18-07, 08:17 PM
Both are better gone. Glad it's another night of Shelling for Schilling.

PS NZ NYY FAN - how much coverage you getting down in the old country these days (I'm a kiwi a transplanted to NY).

Lucky you, five to six years time hope to make it to NY

Good enough 3-4 games a week on espn.
Full postseason coverage. Sportscentre, PTI and baseball tonight covers a lot.

BonusCantos
06-18-07, 08:20 PM
Not to get off-topic, but NZ is pretty high on my list of places to visit.

NZ NYY Fan
06-18-07, 08:22 PM
Ok, on topic: really hoping the braves can hold here. Not sure how good their bullpen is.
If the nationals can take one of three off tigers i'll be happy

NZ is great mate - you'll love it.

BonusCantos
06-18-07, 08:23 PM
Boston 2
Atlanta 7

Bottom 6th

YASS
06-18-07, 08:28 PM
Curt had a significant dropoff in the second half last year, I think we are in for more of the same this year.

Yeah, but I don't remember any outings in which he failed to break 90 on the gun last year. That's a new development.

BonusCantos
06-18-07, 08:28 PM
Boston 3
Atlanta 7

Top 7th

jeterismyhomeboy
06-18-07, 08:30 PM
Boston's offensive production today has come from J.D. Drew and Coco Crisp. YASS must be hyperventilating.

BonusCantos
06-18-07, 08:30 PM
Yeah, but I don't remember any outings in which he failed to break 90 on the gun last year. That's a new development.
I think I saw him hit 91 once tonight. That's pretty much it.

WebsterMulligan
06-18-07, 08:35 PM
Is it just me, or do the Red Sox argue balls and strikes more than any other team I know?

Rastven
06-18-07, 08:35 PM
Lucky you, five to six years time hope to make it to NY

Good enough 3-4 games a week on espn.
Full postseason coverage. Sportscentre, PTI and baseball tonight covers a lot.
So pretty similar to when I left almost years back. Thank god for Sky huh.
Why wait 5 or 6 years, save some cash and jump on a plane before the end of the season :)

Time for the Braves to shut this game down and send those Sux fans home unhappy.

YASS
06-18-07, 08:36 PM
Boston's offensive production today has come from J.D. Drew and Coco Crisp. YASS must be hyperventilating.

I've been rough on both of them (not without reason, I think), but don't think I'm not encouraged and pleased to see a change in direction. I've been hearing rumors that Coco (with the help of Dave Magadan) has made some adjustments to his stance recently. If that's true, and if it turns his season around, Coco owes Magadan big time.

WeekendWarrior
06-18-07, 08:37 PM
Is it just me, or do the Red Sox argue balls and strikes more than any other team I know?

They do argue a ton which won't help them out at all. However they have guys who are notoriously patient with good eyes so it is understandable when they do. Again, they are not doing themselves any favors by doing so. I am sure umpires talk to eachother about it.

YASS
06-18-07, 08:38 PM
Is it just me, or do the Red Sox argue balls and strikes more than any other team I know?

That's metaphsyically absurd!

How can I tell you what teams you know? :)

Gringaloca
06-18-07, 08:39 PM
Is it just me, or do the Red Sox argue balls and strikes more than any other team I know?

No, Web-inator..it's not you. :D I'm surprised Youkilis didn't get tossed for that last one.. especially with Wendlestedt behind the plate.:eek:

Big Game Andy
06-18-07, 08:40 PM
They do argue a ton which won't help them out at all. However they have guys who are notoriously patient with good eyes so it is understandable when they do. Again, they are not doing themselves any favors by doing so. I am sure umpires talk to eachother about it.

We have lots of guys who are notoriously patient with good eyes too. And we still don't argue nearly as much as they do.

BonusCantos
06-18-07, 08:42 PM
Did Sutcliffe just confuse the 1914 Braves with the 1918 Sox?

JeterRodriguezSheff
06-18-07, 08:42 PM
Schilling is really looking terrible.

Jace
06-18-07, 08:43 PM
Yeah, the ump enjoyed ringing Youkilis up right there. Youkilis may know the strike zone better than the umps, but the way he throws it in their face probably pisses them off

BonusCantos
06-18-07, 08:45 PM
Boston 3
Atlanta 9

Bottom 7th

YASS
06-18-07, 08:47 PM
Boston 3
Atlanta 9

Bottom 7th

Blue is not Atlanta's color! I expect better color management from you, Mr. Cantos!

WeekendWarrior
06-18-07, 08:47 PM
We have lots of guys who are notoriously patient with good eyes too. And we still don't argue nearly as much as they do.

I agree, let them continue to get on the bad side of umpires and continue to not get borderline pitches go in their favor.

BonusCantos
06-18-07, 08:48 PM
Blue is not Atlanta's color! I expect better color management from you, Mr. Cantos! I've seen blue used for them before on TV.

Boston 3
Atlanta 9

Top 8th

That better? :)

YASS
06-18-07, 08:49 PM
I've seen blue used for them before on TV.

Boston 3
Atlanta 9

Top 8th

That better? :)

Well, now I can't tell them apart.

If only I could read!

Paiglee
06-18-07, 08:49 PM
So is there some sort of Mods dispensation to allow for Sox in game commentary in this thread?

Did my eyes deceive me or does Atlanta have scantily clad young women leading cheers????

NZ NYY Fan
06-18-07, 08:49 PM
Go the nationals! 9-7 Man on third, no outs. Bottom nine -against tigers

Jace
06-18-07, 08:50 PM
goooooo the Nationals!

Shefnation
06-18-07, 08:50 PM
the only thing better than seeing schilling getting lit up, is knowing that he will have to blog about his terrible performance in the morning!! :P

BonusCantos
06-18-07, 08:51 PM
We try to keep the in-game commentary to a minimum, but after all, this IS the "Watching the Scoreboard" thread...I try to keep it to only score updates.

Washington has closed to within 1. Yowza.

CanoForPresident
06-18-07, 08:51 PM
Go the nationals! 9-7 Man on third, no outs. Bottom nine -against tigers

9-8 now! one man on first still no out.

Gringaloca
06-18-07, 08:51 PM
So is there some sort of Mods dispensation to allow for Sox in game commentary in this thread?



ssshhhhhh...its not really a GT...we just watching the scoreboard...get it?...:)

BonusCantos
06-18-07, 08:52 PM
And now Washington has the winning run on.

-tz
06-18-07, 08:52 PM
Schilling is really looking terrible.Not pitching well, either. ;)

keg411
06-18-07, 08:52 PM
Nats trying to make a comeback against Todd Jones, who still has yet to record an out.

The Mets actually put themselves to use and beat the Twinkies 8-1.

YanksForLife
06-18-07, 08:53 PM
Did my eyes deceive me or does Atlanta have scantily clad young women leading cheers????

Your eyes were not deceiving you.:gulp:

Big Game Andy
06-18-07, 08:55 PM
Can we get Crisp checked for steroids please?

Paiglee
06-18-07, 08:55 PM
ssshhhhhh...its not really a GT...we just watching the scoreboard...get it?...:)

I think so -- I will watch quietly;)

daverave
06-18-07, 08:57 PM
Nats trying to make a comeback against Todd Jones, who still has yet to record an out.

The Mets actually put themselves to use and beat the Twinkies 8-1.

What exactly are Todd Jones qualifications to be their closer!?!?! ;)

GraniteYankee
06-18-07, 08:58 PM
Well, now I can't tell them apart.

If only I could read!

It reads - the bad guys are losing.:P :D

WeekendWarrior
06-18-07, 08:58 PM
I think his qualification is that Zumaya is injured. otherwise it would be his job by now

Paiglee
06-18-07, 09:00 PM
Not pitching well, either. ;)

I have to admit I had a fright when they showed him(38) on deck and my first thought was "Gee JD Drew looks rough.." then I remembered NL rules.;)

Also saw the Scantily clad gals shooting tee shirts into the crowd -- does Hooters own the Braves?

daverave
06-18-07, 09:01 PM
I think his qualification is that Zumaya is injured. otherwise it would be his job by now

yeah, I forgot about that, thanks

Metroidman
06-18-07, 09:02 PM
Belliard outsucked Jones

Tigers win

Gringaloca
06-18-07, 09:05 PM
....Also saw the Scantily clad gals shooting tee shirts into the crowd -- does Hooters own the Braves?

You should see the Marlin 'Mermaids'...I couldn't find any pictures..but I'm sure my Husband has some downloaded them......somewhere...:D It's no wonder he has binoculars for every Marlin game we attend...:)

http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20070116&content_id=1780379&vkey=pr_fla&fext=.jsp&c_id=fla

YASS
06-18-07, 09:08 PM
You should see the Marlin 'Mermaids'...I couldn't find any pictures..but I'm sure my Husband has some downloaded them......somewhere...:D It's no wonder he has binoculars for every Marlin game we attend...:)

http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20070116&content_id=1780379&vkey=pr_fla&fext=.jsp&c_id=fla

If you're going to ask people to sit through a game in that pathetic excuse for a ballpark, you have to throw them some kind of bone.

So to speak. :)

Gringaloca
06-18-07, 09:09 PM
If you're going to ask people to sit through a game in that pathetic excuse for a ballpark, you have to throw them some kind of bone.

So to speak. :)

:lol: :lol: @ 'a bone'.... I couldn't agree more...but I have to fight him for the binocs' once the game starts...:D

BonusCantos
06-18-07, 09:10 PM
http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/fla/fan_forum/mermaids_2007.jsp
:gulp:

Gringaloca
06-18-07, 09:12 PM
http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/fla/fan_forum/mermaids_2007.jsp
:gulp:

Yep...that would be 'dem Hoochie Mermaids..:o And they even named them...:D

BJG
06-18-07, 09:15 PM
the only thing better than seeing schilling getting lit up, is knowing that he will have to blog about his terrible performance in the morning!! :P

For all of the talk of Boston's '3 Aces', read into this what you will given Clemens' sample size issues:

Beckett, Schilling, DiceK = 6.44 IP/game, 3.95 ERA, 8.97 H/9, 7.91 K/9, 2.25 BB/9, .89 HR/9

Wang, Pettitte, Clemens = 6.69 IP/game, 3.19 ERA, 8.82 H/9, 5.23 K/9, 2.14 BB/9, 0.50 HR/9

WebsterMulligan
06-18-07, 09:19 PM
Wickman has gained a little weight, since he played with the Yanks.

BonusCantos
06-18-07, 09:21 PM
The AL East
<table class="tablehead" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="oddrow" align="right"><td align="left">Boston</td><td>44</td><td>25</td><td>.638</td><td width="5%">-</td><td>
</td><td>
</td><td width="5%">
</td><td width="5%">
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr class="evenrow" align="right"><td align="left">NY Yankees</td><td>35</td><td>32</td><td>.522</td><td width="5%">8</td><td>
</td><td>
</td><td width="5%">
</td><td width="5%">
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr class="oddrow" align="right"><td align="left">Toronto</td><td>33</td><td>35</td><td>.485</td><td width="5%">10.5</td><td>
</td><td>
</td><td width="5%">
</td><td width="5%">
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr class="evenrow" align="right"><td align="left">Tampa Bay</td><td>30</td><td>37</td><td>.448</td><td width="5%">13</td><td>
</td><td>
</td><td width="5%">
</td><td width="5%">
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr class="oddrow" align="right"><td align="left">Baltimore</td><td>29</td><td>40</td><td>.420</td><td width="5%">15</td><td>
</td><td>
</td><td width="5%">
</td><td width="5%">
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr></tbody></table>

sweet_lou_14
06-18-07, 09:22 PM
The AL East
<table class="tablehead" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="oddrow" align="right"><td align="left">Boston</td><td>44</td><td>25</td><td>.638</td><td width="5%">-</td><td>
</td><td>
</td><td width="5%">
</td><td width="5%">
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr class="evenrow" align="right"><td align="left">NY Yankees</td><td>35</td><td>32</td><td>.522</td><td width="5%">8</td><td>
</td><td>
</td><td width="5%">
</td><td width="5%">
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr class="oddrow" align="right"><td align="left">Toronto</td><td>33</td><td>35</td><td>.485</td><td width="5%">10.5</td><td>
</td><td>
</td><td width="5%">
</td><td width="5%">
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr class="evenrow" align="right"><td align="left">Tampa Bay</td><td>30</td><td>37</td><td>.448</td><td width="5%">13</td><td>
</td><td>
</td><td width="5%">
</td><td width="5%">
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr class="oddrow" align="right"><td align="left">Baltimore</td><td>29</td><td>40</td><td>.420</td><td width="5%">15</td><td>
</td><td>
</td><td width="5%">
</td><td width="5%">
</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr></tbody></table>

Yep, that 8 is really a 7. Good night for the Yanks.

Bob Saccomano
06-18-07, 09:24 PM
Yep, that 8 is really a 7. Good night for the Yanks.

I kind of had my heart set on Detroit losing to Washington, but I'll take a Schilling shelling any day.

WebsterMulligan
06-18-07, 09:25 PM
I kind of had my heart set on Detroit losing to Washington, but I'll take a Schilling shelling any day.

I'll take a Schilling shelling, every five days.

Sheffield
06-18-07, 09:26 PM
TH: Bob "one pitch" Wickman
HM: Edgar "wild throw to first" Renteria
HM: Curt "< 5 IP" Schilling

sweet_lou_14
06-18-07, 09:27 PM
I'll take a Schilling shelling, every five days.

He's not really that good any more. Right now I'd take the Yankees' rotation over Boston's ... and if you plug in Hughes, it isn't even close.

sweet_lou_14
06-18-07, 09:28 PM
I kind of had my heart set on Detroit losing to Washington, but I'll take a Schilling shelling any day.

When the Yankees take the lead in the East, you'll be happy Detroit won that game tonight. It will make it that much harder for Boston to avoid missing the playoffs entirely. :P

WebsterMulligan
06-18-07, 09:29 PM
He's not really that good any more. Right now I'd take the Yankees' rotation over Boston's ... and if you plug in Hughes, it isn't even close.

I'm really looking forward to seeing Hughes.

YanksForLife
06-18-07, 09:29 PM
http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/fla/fan_forum/mermaids_2007.jsp
:gulp:

And here is last year's squad.:gulp:

http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/fla/images/mermaids/y2006/ph_mermaids_581x373.jpg

YankeePride1967
06-18-07, 09:37 PM
And here is last year's squad.:gulp:

http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/fla/images/mermaids/y2006/ph_mermaids_581x373.jpg

That's the one positive part about trading off Yankee Stadium for the Marlins for me.

BonusCantos
06-18-07, 09:37 PM
When the Yankees take the lead in the East, you'll be happy Detroit won that game tonight. It will make it that much harder for Boston to avoid missing the playoffs entirely. :P
I feel the same -- the WC isn't the right place to aim at this point in the season. If they're 8 back two months from today, then it's time for the consolation prize.

CallOfTheCrow
06-18-07, 09:42 PM
Damn Nationals.....haven't been teased this much since.........well, never mind.

YASS
06-18-07, 09:44 PM
That's the one positive part about trading off Yankee Stadium for the Marlins for me.

I will never go to another game in that substandard football stadium again. I really think that if the Fish don't get a new ballpark, they are doomed.

YankeePride1967
06-18-07, 09:48 PM
I will never go to another game in that substandard football stadium again. I really think that if the Fish don't get a new ballpark, they are doomed.

I've only been twice myself since moving here. I went to see them play the Astros last year when Clemens pitched and then opening day this year.

Gringaloca
06-18-07, 09:57 PM
I will never go to another game in that substandard football stadium again. I really think that if the Fish don't get a new ballpark, they are doomed.

I go because it's the only 'live' baseball around. Only place to sit is the Club Level..Sec 242 is my usual. Covered & A/C'd. But it's easily a $100/125 night for the two of us.

And I agree...the Marlins are doomed. They will NOT get a stadium in South Florida and be moved..where?...like the PTBNL..;) it's a crap shoot.

At least I have Spring Training games :D

WeekendWarrior
06-18-07, 10:00 PM
If you match up the rotations right now I think the yankees have the slightest of edges

Wang = Beckett
Pettite > Dice-K
Clemens > Schilling
Mussina < Wakefield
Igawa < Tavarez

But things can get even better for the yankees down the road if you replace Igawa and Tavarez with Hughes and Lester.

Then the yankees have a distinct advantage because Hughes could slot in at 4 and be better than Wakefield and Mussina could slot in the 5th starter role and edge out Lester. Then the yankees will have a better rotation.

JeterRodriguezSheff
06-18-07, 10:17 PM
If you match up the rotations right now I think the yankees have the slightest of edges

Wang = Beckett
Pettite > Dice-K
Clemens > Schilling
Mussina < Wakefield
Igawa < Tavarez

But things can get even better for the yankees down the road if you replace Igawa and Tavarez with Hughes and Lester.

Then the yankees have a distinct advantage because Hughes could slot in at 4 and be better than Wakefield and Mussina could slot in the 5th starter role and edge out Lester. Then the yankees will have a better rotation.


Right now what it comes down to for me is that when Wang Pettitte and Clemens start i am fairly certain of victory if the offense scores 3 runs, if they score 4 or 5 im almost positive. If Mussina has another good start or too he will be in that category as well. As for Igawa, i am wishing Hughes as speedy a recovery as possible.

WeekendWarrior
06-18-07, 10:18 PM
Right now what it comes down to for me is that when Wang Pettitte and Clemens start i am fairly certain of victory if the offense scores 3 runs, if they score 4 or 5 im almost positive. If Mussina has another good start or too he will be in that category as well. As for Igawa, i am wishing Hughes as speedy a recovery as possible.

Yeah that is just a rough general assesment. I hope Igawa holds it together for the next six weeks and then Hughes comes back strong.

sweet_lou_14
06-18-07, 10:21 PM
Mussina < Wakefield


Except that Wakefield pitched over his head early on, and Mussina has underachieved until very recently. Mussina has looked better of late and is definitely capable of getting to the point where you'd take him over Schilling, forget about Wakefield.

justinvarnes
06-18-07, 10:48 PM
I was out at Turner Field tonight and that was the most fun i have had at that ballpark.

I was decked out in NYY gear and got my section all riled up. It was great - fun to watch Schilling get lit up and see the Braves actually put up some runs.

sweet_lou_14
06-18-07, 11:53 PM
I was out at Turner Field tonight and that was the most fun i have had at that ballpark.

I was decked out in NYY gear and got my section all riled up. It was great - fun to watch Schilling get lit up and see the Braves actually put up some runs.

Please go to the next two games. :D

ARoDfan4life
06-18-07, 11:58 PM
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/060730/060730_schilling_vmed_9p.widec.jpg
4.1 IP, 10 H, 6 R, 6 ER, 1 HR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RHZfbkcmIM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RHZfbkcmIM) http://www.realgm.com/boards/baseball/images/smiles/icon_a1.gif

Bob Saccomano
06-19-07, 12:37 AM
Too bad 38Pitches isn't updated yet. I really wanted to see what Curt had to write about what he referred to as an "embarrassment." First time he hasn't had a K in a start in 14 years. I hope this is a sign of things to come...Beckett's ERA is now over 3, and Schill's is now over 4. Boston's Expected Win-Loss is 42-27 - only a game ahead of NYY's Expected Win-Loss of 40-27. Too bad neither of these is the actual W-L :(.

JeterForPresident
06-19-07, 01:07 AM
It is funny, I read an article on ESPN.com by Sean Mcadam who still thinks the Red Sox rotation is too good to allow them to go on any significant losing streak, or at least lose enough to allow the Yankees come back. I think thats a very naive statement at this point, maybe guys should let the games be played. I know they have to analyze and what not, but they arent supposed to end the season early.

NYDCYankee
06-19-07, 01:28 AM
McAdams is a Red Sox fan.

bnorris85
06-19-07, 01:39 AM
McAdams is a Red Sox fan.z

yeah he writes for projo.

i hate those types of articles though

Zimmers' Helmet
06-19-07, 10:35 AM
If the Yankees can get within 5 games of Boston by the All Star break they are taking the division. There is no doubt in my mind about that. Let's see what happens when Boston starts getting their fair share of injuries - they have remained relatively healthy thus far.

BonusCantos
06-19-07, 10:41 AM
If the Yankees can get within 5 games of Boston by the All Star break they are taking the division. There is no doubt in my mind about that. Let's see what happens when Boston starts getting their fair share of injuries - they have remained relatively healthy thus far.
That would only require a pick-up of 3 games in 3 more weeks. It can be done.

ksison
06-19-07, 10:42 AM
if the yankees maintain this superb ball playing.. they are destined to a great october... all we can do is hope

YASS
06-19-07, 10:49 AM
If the Yankees can get within 5 games of Boston by the All Star break they are taking the division. There is no doubt in my mind about that. Let's see what happens when Boston starts getting their fair share of injuries - they have remained relatively healthy thus far.
The trend line that seemed to be established when the Yankees weren't playing well didn't hold, and those who expected it play out that way without shifting were not thinking it through.

Now that the trends have shifted in the Yankees' favor, expecting that new trend line to maintain its direction monotonically for the remainder of the season is equally shortsighted. There's lots of season left to go, and lots of moves yet to be made. I'm content to let them play the games and see what happens.

PittsburghYankeeFan
06-19-07, 11:36 AM
That would only require a pick-up of 3 games in 3 more weeks. It can be done.

Try by the end of this week...

Janttje
06-19-07, 11:41 AM
Try by the end of this week...

Could be.. Boston is traveling to San Diego this weekend..

BonusCantos
06-19-07, 12:02 PM
Try by the end of this week...
They'll be lining up at the Tobin Bridge if that happens.

In all seriousness, I'd take a +3 gain by the break. Anything less really isn't good and anything more...well...wow.

NYIndian2005
06-19-07, 12:41 PM
Now that the trends have shifted in the Yankees' favor, expecting that new trend line to maintain its direction monotonically for the remainder of the season is equally shortsighted. There's lots of season left to go, and lots of moves yet to be made. I'm content to let them play the games and see what happens.

Absolutely agree with that. I feel really good about the yankee offense right now. But all said and done I am not so sure they will keep this kinda scoring up the remainder of the season. What I do feel good about is our starting rotation and if Hughes returns in July then we will be in as good a shape as we have been this season. But still like you said there are no guarantees the trend is going to remain one way or other. What I am hoping for is the Boston rotation losing its edge a little in the second half particularly both Schilling and Beckett.

Rastven
06-19-07, 01:12 PM
Absolutely agree with that. I feel really good about the yankee offense right now. But all said and done I am not so sure they will keep this kinda scoring up the remainder of the season. What I do feel good about is our starting rotation and if Hughes returns in July then we will be in as good a shape as we have been this season. But still like you said there are no guarantees the trend is going to remain one way or other. What I am hoping for is the Boston rotation losing its edge a little in the second half particularly both Schilling and Beckett.
In theory though everything will move towards the statistical norms meaning the Yankees should continue to hit until they reach normal levels while the pitching is getting towards their statistical norms. The Sox have somewhat overachieved so maybe this is the middle of their correction.

YASS
06-19-07, 01:39 PM
In theory though everything will move towards the statistical norms meaning the Yankees should continue to hit until they reach normal levels while the pitching is getting towards their statistical norms. The Sox have somewhat overachieved so maybe this is the middle of their correction.
The Yankees are hitting well beyond their expected norm in June (.907 OPS, on a pace that would yield 1125 runs over an entire season), so I wouldn't be too quick to regard their current surge as a mere waypoint on the road to their natural level. April and May are done; you can't expect play over the remainder of the season to be at a level such that the Yankees will achieve the numbers you'd have expected from them if April and May had never happened.

The Sox overachieved in April and May, and the Yankees are overachieving now. What will happen in July, August and September? Who knows?

yankeebot
06-19-07, 01:44 PM
The Yankees are hitting well beyond their expected norm in June (.907 OPS, on a pace that would yield 1125 runs over an entire season), so I wouldn't be too quick to regard their current surge as a mere waypoint on the road to their natural level. April and May are done; you can't expect play over the remainder of the season to be at a level such that the Yankees will achieve the numbers you'd have expected from them if April and May had never happened.

The Sox overachieved in April and May, and the Yankees are overachieving now. What will happen in July, August and September? Who knows?
I know but I'm not telling.

YASS
06-19-07, 01:47 PM
I know but I'm not telling.

Not even if I promise you chocolate covered cherries?

Metroidman
06-19-07, 01:49 PM
I think we'll make a run at it. The WIld Card is so close to the Taking. We still have 2/3rd of the season to make up 8 games. Cut that down to 4/5 games by the ASB and well we're almost there

Rastven
06-19-07, 02:05 PM
The Yankees are hitting well beyond their expected norm in June (.907 OPS, on a pace that would yield 1125 runs over an entire season), so I wouldn't be too quick to regard their current surge as a mere waypoint on the road to their natural level. April and May are done; you can't expect play over the remainder of the season to be at a level such that the Yankees will achieve the numbers you'd have expected from them if April and May had never happened.

The Sox overachieved in April and May, and the Yankees are overachieving now. What will happen in July, August and September? Who knows?
Why not, the Law of Large Numbers (which is somewhat applicable to baseball) says that as the number of independent repetitions of the experiment grows, the average (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average) of the observed outcomes approaches the average of all possible outcomes.
Take dice rolls for example, the average of all possible outcomes is just the average of those six numbers: <dl><dd>(1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6)/6 = 3.5.</dd></dl> As the die is thrown repeatedly, the average observed outcome approaches 3.5, in the sense that it can be made as close as desired to 3.5 by making the number of trials big enough.

I consider April and May to be like rolling 1's and 2's with the odd 3. Based on that you would expect we will see an increase in production (wins, runs etc) over the remaining trials (number of games remaining) to get to what would be considered average.

YASS
06-19-07, 02:34 PM
Why not, the Law of Large Numbers (which is somewhat applicable to baseball) says that as the number of independent repetitions of the experiment grows, the average (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average) of the observed outcomes approaches the average of all possible outcomes.
Take dice rolls for example, the average of all possible outcomes is just the average of those six numbers: <dl><dd>(1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6)/6 = 3.5.</dd></dl> As the die is thrown repeatedly, the average observed outcome approaches 3.5, in the sense that it can be made as close as desired to 3.5 by making the number of trials big enough.

I consider April and May to be like rolling 1's and 2's with the odd 3. Based on that you would expect we will see an increase in production (wins, runs etc) over the remaining trials (number of games remaining) to get to what would be considered average.

IMO, the LLN doesn't apply, since it relies on all outcomes of every trial being equally likely, and that clearly isn't so in your description. The Yankees weren't experiencing 1, 2, and 3 outcomes randomly. No, that happened because they were hit by a rash of injuries and genuinely poor performances by key players. There's certainly a random element in baseball performances, but it's not the predominant factor.

God does not play dice with baseball.

4bronxbombers
06-19-07, 02:36 PM
I understand and apologize. IPOD's can be very scary.

http://blog.pcnews.ro/wp-content/photo/11.jpg

Hysterical!! :lol:

Bob Saccomano
06-19-07, 06:03 PM
IMO, the LLN doesn't apply, since it relies on all outcomes of every trial being equally likely, and that clearly isn't so in your description. The Yankees weren't experiencing 1, 2, and 3 outcomes randomly. No, that happened because they were hit by a rash of injuries and genuinely poor performances by key players. There's certainly a random element in baseball performances, but it's not the predominant factor.

God does not play dice with baseball.

I understand what you're getting at, but it's more like this: the Yankees have outscored their opponents 379-307. A team that has that kind of run differential is projected to have a record of 40-27. A team that has scored 379 runs has scored, on average, 5.65 runs per game. Granted, there were games when 11 runs were scored and other games where only 2 were scored, but it stands to reason that a team that is capable of scoring 11 runs on a given night is capable of scoring runs consistently, especially when the sample size is large (currently 67 games). Over the course of a season, averaging close to 6 runs a game will be enough to beat more opponents than not. It's unreasonable to expect that a team that outscores its opposition to the tune of 72 runs will be right around .500. The Yankees are 4-10 in one-run games, while the Red Sox are 12-6. Is that a trend that is likely to persist? History has shown that one-run games tend to even out over the course of a season, so I think it's reasonable to expect that the Yankees will deviate more towards what their statistical projection is, while the Red Sox do the same. A final point: With guys like Bobby Abreu hovering around the Mendoza line in May, it's reasonable to expect that by the time the season ends, he will be closer to his career norms (established over thousands of at-bats) than not. In order for him to end up near his career averages, he would need to get on a really, really hot tear, and to expect that to occur is not way out of left field. I think the Red Sox have some contributors that have been underperforming as well (Drew, Lugo, and Crisp, for instance) that are going to trend upwards in their performance as well, like we saw with Pedroia.

YASS
06-19-07, 06:31 PM
I understand what you're getting at, but it's more like this: the Yankees have outscored their opponents 379-307. A team that has that kind of run differential is projected to have a record of 40-27. A team that has scored 379 runs has scored, on average, 5.65 runs per game. Granted, there were games when 11 runs were scored and other games where only 2 were scored, but it stands to reason that a team that is capable of scoring 11 runs on a given night is capable of scoring runs consistently, especially when the sample size is large (currently 67 games). Over the course of a season, averaging close to 6 runs a game will be enough to beat more opponents than not. It's unreasonable to expect that a team that outscores its opposition to the tune of 72 runs will be right around .500. The Yankees are 4-10 in one-run games, while the Red Sox are 12-6. Is that a trend that is likely to persist? History has shown that one-run games tend to even out over the course of a season, so I think it's reasonable to expect that the Yankees will deviate more towards what their statistical projection is, while the Red Sox do the same. A final point: With guys like Bobby Abreu hovering around the Mendoza line in May, it's reasonable to expect that by the time the season ends, he will be closer to his career norms (established over thousands of at-bats) than not. In order for him to end up near his career averages, he would need to get on a really, really hot tear, and to expect that to occur is not way out of left field. I think the Red Sox have some contributors that have been underperforming as well (Drew, Lugo, and Crisp, for instance) that are going to trend upwards in their performance as well, like we saw with Pedroia.
None of what you say is out of line because anything can happen, but neither did you argue that the Law of Large Numbers is applicable. In any case, I would take issue with a couple of points.

The Yankees are behind the Pythagorean curve right now. They've got a run differential that predicts a much better record than they have. But they don't have that record now; those unexpected losses are already in the books, and they're not going away. My point is that the fact that they've underperformed for a segment of the season is no basis for a statistical prediction that they'll overperform to a matching extent over the rest of the year in order to reach their expected normal level.
About Abreu, you said, "In order for him to end up near his career averages, he would need to get on a really, really hot tear, and to expect that to occur is not way out of left field." Well, no, it's not out of left field, but there's no reason to predict a really hot streak, either. His awful May is already a matter of record, and it's more likely that he'll perform at his expected natural level over the rest of the year than he'll overperform enough to make his season record match what would ordinarily be expected from him. Each at-bat is brand new, and has no memory of at-bats that have gone before.

What I'm saying is that when unexpectedly poor performances occur, there's no statistical spring that tenses up during the downturn to propel future performance levels beyond the natural regression to the mean so that the season record reaches the originally expected level. There's no balancing boing. There is nothing about a slump that predicts a later streak, just as there's no reason to predict a deep slump for an overperformer. In both cases, it's reasonable to expect a regression to the mean. Not more.

BonusCantos
06-19-07, 06:34 PM
Game 2 of Boston/Atlanta starting shortly. A bunch of other games have already started.

The Twinkies are beating the crap out of the Mets early.

susieb8020
06-19-07, 07:41 PM
1-0 Boston on an Ortiz homer

PittsburghYankeeFan
06-19-07, 07:44 PM
None of what you say is out of line because anything can happen, but neither did you argue that the Law of Large Numbers is applicable. In any case, I would take issue with a couple of points.

The Yankees are behind the Pythagorean curve right now. They've got a run differential that predicts a much better record than they have. But they don't have that record now; those unexpected losses are already in the books, and they're not going away. My point is that the fact that they've underperformed for a segment of the season is no basis for a statistical prediction that they'll overperform to a matching extent over the rest of the year in order to reach their expected normal level.
About Abreu, you said, "In order for him to end up near his career averages, he would need to get on a really, really hot tear, and to expect that to occur is not way out of left field." Well, no, it's not out of left field, but there's no reason to predict a really hot streak, either. His awful May is already a matter of record, and it's more likely that he'll perform at his expected natural level over the rest of the year than he'll overperform enough to make his season record match what would ordinarily be expected from him. Each at-bat is brand new, and has no memory of at-bats that have gone before.What I'm saying is that when unexpectedly poor performances occur, there's no statistical spring that tenses up during the downturn to propel future performance levels beyond the natural regression to the mean so that the season record reaches the originally expected level. There's no balancing boing. There is nothing about a slump that predicts a later streak, just as there's no reason to predict a deep slump for an overperformer. In both cases, it's reasonable to expect a regression to the mean. Not more.

Yes, and Curt Schilling is back in Boston getting an MRI of a "tired shoulder" after getting shellacked two games in a row, with a fastball last night that had trouble getting over 87.

Yes, YASS, anything can happen, and it will.

Metroidman
06-19-07, 07:53 PM
Hudson's done

Just gave up a double to Beckett

keg411
06-19-07, 08:00 PM
Other games of note:

Det 12, Wash 1
Philly 4, Cleveland 3
Dodgers 10, Tor 1
Minny 9, Mets 0

Later:
Cincy@Oakland
Houston@LAA
Pitt@Seattle

BonusCantos
06-19-07, 08:02 PM
I really don't trust Atlanta to come back, so I'm just going to write this one off until there is evidence to the contrary.

NYIndian2005
06-19-07, 10:48 PM
We lose this game and we are 5 games back in the WC and 9 games behind Boston. Not a good night.

Rastven
06-20-07, 10:21 AM
Two games in hand though so it could be as little as 5 and 7. Not great but not awful.

Maynerd
06-20-07, 10:39 AM
There's no balancing boing.
Superbly stated! That's about a quarter semester of statistics reduced to two words.

Squid
06-20-07, 06:27 PM
Superbly stated! That's about a quarter semester of statistics reduced to two words.


Not to mention a million drunken arguments with bad poker players.

NYIndian2005
06-20-07, 06:54 PM
Boston up 5-zip. Yankees better show up with their A game or its gonna be down 10 games.

WeekendWarrior
06-20-07, 06:56 PM
Looks like the yankees are gonna have to win tonight just to keep pace with them and detroit. Although Cleveland is losing so if they lose the yanks begin to chase them instead

Mark19
06-20-07, 06:59 PM
Wow, Buddy Carlyle reminds the world why he hasn't been a professional starter in nearly a decade.

Big Game Andy
06-20-07, 07:09 PM
Why can't we ever get the journeyman?

yankees101
06-20-07, 07:11 PM
Why can't we ever get the journeyman?Why can't we ever HIT the journeyman this season? Or anyone with an ERA above 5?:(

BonusCantos
06-20-07, 07:19 PM
Well, thanks for winning 1, Atlanta.

NYDCYankee
06-20-07, 07:22 PM
Well, if the Yankees win today and tomorrow than no gain will be gained eithe way. Which wouldn't be awful.

The Q Bomb
06-20-07, 07:29 PM
The Yankees need to keep it simple - just win every single remaining game. Now obviously and unfortunately that's not going to happen - but they need to play to win each and every game. This worrying about Division Title or Wild Card is nonsense. Who tries to win a Wild Card? Don't you (a team) try to win every single game? Even last place, close to AAA teams should be trying to do that! You try to win every game and when the dust settles you either are in first place and win your division or, hopefully, have enough wins to be the 4th best team and get the Wild Card. If neither of those things happen - at least you know and, hopefully, your fans know that you played to win every game and just weren't good enough this year - for whatever reason.

I listen to every game and I get mad every time The Yanks lose. It doesn't matter if they've won 161 games - if they lose the 162nd game I'm mad they lost that game. Of course, when I look back at a season I'm thrilled when they have a good record, but when I watch a game - I expect The Yanks to win that game - each and every time. The players need to feel the same way. There is a lot of season left - but there is no room for a let down or a "breather". They've put themselves in a terrible hole by playing terrible baseball for the first two months of this season. The team needs to buckle down now and win every game - period, end of sentence. Then, what is - IS.

At this point, I'm just praying The Yanks make the postseason. The thought that this might be the first season in a long time that doesn't happen is not nice to contemplate. It could also have very bad implications for the make-up of the team next year and for years to come.

Panamaniac42
06-20-07, 07:47 PM
7-0 Boston in the 4th. Anyone know what the Braves' record vs. them the past few years is? Does the record show that they're as gutless as they appear to be?

BonusCantos
06-20-07, 07:50 PM
7-0 Boston in the 4th. Anyone know what the Braves' record vs. them the past few years is? Does the record show that they're as gutless as they appear to be?

Date Score CW-CL Inn Winner Loser
2004-07-02 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/games/standings.cgi?date=2004-07-02) box (http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/ATL/ATL200407020.shtml) @ATL BOS W 6-3 21-10 (12) J Cruz (http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/cruzju02.shtml) A Martinez (http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/martian01.shtml)
2004-07-03 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/games/standings.cgi?date=2004-07-03) box (http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/ATL/ATL200407030.shtml) @ATL BOS L 1-6 21-11 C Schilling (http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/schilcu01.shtml) J Thomson (http://www.baseball-reference.com/t/thomsjo01.shtml)
2004-07-04 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/games/standings.cgi?date=2004-07-04) box (http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/ATL/ATL200407040.shtml) @ATL BOS W 10-4 22-11 M Hampton (http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/hamptmi01.shtml) D Lowe (http://www.baseball-reference.com/l/lowede01.shtml)
For 2004, BSN/MLN/ATL won 2, BOS won 1.

Date Score CW-CL Inn Winner Loser
2005-05-20 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/games/standings.cgi?date=2005-05-20) box (http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/BOS/BOS200505200.shtml) ATL @BOS L 3-4 22-12 W Miller (http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/millewa04.shtml) T Hudson (http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/hudsoti01.shtml)
2005-05-21 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/games/standings.cgi?date=2005-05-21) box (http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/BOS/BOS200505210.shtml) ATL @BOS W 7-5 23-12 K Davies (http://www.baseball-reference.com/d/davieky01.shtml) T Wakefield (http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/wakefti01.shtml)
2005-05-22 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/games/standings.cgi?date=2005-05-22) box (http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/BOS/BOS200505220.shtml) ATL @BOS L 2-5 23-13 M Clement (http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/clemema01.shtml) R Colon (http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/colonro01.shtml)
For 2005, BSN/MLN/ATL won 1, BOS won 2.

Date Score CW-CL Inn Winner Loser
2006-06-16 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/games/standings.cgi?date=2006-06-16) box (http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/ATL/ATL200606160.shtml) @ATL BOS L 1-4 23-14 J Lester (http://www.baseball-reference.com/l/lestejo01.shtml) T Hudson (http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/hudsoti01.shtml)
2006-06-17 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/games/standings.cgi?date=2006-06-17) box (http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/ATL/ATL200606170.shtml) @ATL BOS L 3-5 23-15 J Beckett (http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/beckejo02.shtml) L Cormier (http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/cormila01.shtml)
2006-06-18 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/games/standings.cgi?date=2006-06-18) box (http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/ATL/ATL200606180.shtml) @ATL BOS L 7-10 23-16 R Seanez (http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/seaneru01.shtml) M McBride (http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/mcbrima01.shtml)
For 2006, BSN/MLN/ATL won 0, BOS won 3.

Date Score CW-CL Inn Winner Loser
2007-05-19 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/games/standings.cgi?date=2007-05-19) box (http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/BOS/BOS200705191.shtml) ATL @BOS L 3-13 23-17 D Matsuzaka (http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/matsuda01.shtml) A Lerew (http://www.baseball-reference.com/l/lerewan01.shtml)
box (http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/BOS/BOS200705192.shtml) ATL @BOS W 14-0 24-17 J Smoltz (http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/smoltjo01.shtml) D Hansack (http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/hansade01.shtml)
2007-05-20 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/games/standings.cgi?date=2007-05-20) box (http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/BOS/BOS200705200.shtml) ATL @BOS L 3-6 24-18 K Gabbard (http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/gabbaka01.shtml) T Hudson (http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/hudsoti01.shtml)
2007-06-18 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/games/standings.cgi?date=2007-06-18) box (http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/ATL/ATL200706180.shtml) @ATL BOS W 9-4 25-18 C James (http://www.baseball-reference.com/j/jamesch03.shtml) C Schilling (http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/schilcu01.shtml)
2007-06-19 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/games/standings.cgi?date=2007-06-19) box (http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/ATL/ATL200706190.shtml) @ATL BOS L 0-4 25-19 J Beckett (http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/beckejo02.shtml) T Hudson (http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/hudsoti01.shtml)
For 2007, BSN/MLN/ATL won 2, BOS won 3.

Panamaniac42
06-20-07, 08:00 PM
Thanks BC...was kind of thinking out loud (i'm usually not that lazy). I guess last year's sweep was stuck in my head.

BonusCantos
06-20-07, 08:02 PM
Thanks BC...was kind of thinking out loud (i'm usually not that lazy). I guess last year's sweep was stuck in my head.
Well, your out-loud thinking turned out to be right...after tonight, their record against the Sox will be 5-10 since 2004. That's pretty gutless to me.

CallOfTheCrow
06-20-07, 09:09 PM
Boston is up 11-0 in the 8th.

TheYankee
06-20-07, 09:14 PM
I'll say it again... interleague play is the most God-awful creation of all time. At first, I thought Selig might have actually come up with something... then I realized the scheduling imbalance greatly outweighs any gain. The Yanks having to play the Mets every year compared to the permanent "rival" series of Red Sox-Braves is a joke.

Rice14
06-20-07, 09:30 PM
I'll say it again... interleague play is the most God-awful creation of all time. At first, I thought Selig might have actually come up with something... then I realized the scheduling imbalance greatly outweighs any gain. The Yanks having to play the Mets every year compared to the permanent "rival" series of Red Sox-Braves is a joke.

Since the start of interleague play the Braves finished ahead of the Mets 9 years out of 10, winning 9 divisions along the way.

Pagliarulo Era
06-20-07, 09:34 PM
I'll say it again... interleague play is the most God-awful creation of all time. At first, I thought Selig might have actually come up with something... then I realized the scheduling imbalance greatly outweighs any gain. The Yanks having to play the Mets every year compared to the permanent "rival" series of Red Sox-Braves is a joke.

Seriously, we can't bitch about interleague this year. We get the Pirates at home and Boston goes to San Diego. I hate interleague for many reasons, butyour point's falling on deaf ears right now.