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TheInfallibleOne
08-06-07, 08:55 PM
Eh, the AL Central has the Royals, the AL West has the Rangers, the NL East has the Nats, the NL Central has...(everyone) the Pirates, the NL West has the Giants. The Devil Rays aren't exactly super top notch suckitude.

Just to put how lucky the Yanks starting pitching has been, the rotation of Wang, Pettitte, Moose, Clemens and Pitcher X has less strikeouts that the rotations of all the previously mentioned teams. And they're better than all of them.

But the Devil Rays consistently have the worst record or at least in the bottom 3 year in and year out.

sweet_lou_14
08-06-07, 08:56 PM
But the Devil Rays consistently have the worst record or at least in the bottom 3 year in and year out.

As do the Royals and Pirates. So?

jeterismyhomeboy
08-06-07, 08:57 PM
But the Devil Rays consistently have the worst record or at least in the bottom 3 year in and year out.

Royals.

spyglass
08-06-07, 08:57 PM
As do the Royals and Pirates. So?
At least the Royals and the Pirates have a history of being good at one point in time. ;)

justinvarnes
08-06-07, 08:58 PM
Didn't the royals have a decent season not too long ago?

dabomb2045
08-06-07, 08:59 PM
Being a Pirates fan might actually be worse. Yes, they do have a awesome stadium. But at least the DRays do have SOME exciting players. I mean I would go watch Upton, Young and Crawford play.

Who the hell is on the Pirates? Who the heck makes you say "Oh yeah, I really wanna go watch that guy play". That team is full of nobodies.

nyyfan11111
08-06-07, 08:59 PM
Way things are looking, it looks like the yankees will not gain any ground in the wild card for the day...

SINCE77 2
08-06-07, 08:59 PM
Didn't the royals have a decent season not too long ago?



Year that Pena won manager of the year.

sweet_lou_14
08-06-07, 09:01 PM
If this turns out to be a night we gain ONLY on Boston, instead of everyone BUT Boston, I'll take it.

dabomb2045
08-06-07, 09:02 PM
If this turns out to be a night we gain on Boston, instead of everyone BUT Boston, I'll take it.

I wouldnt count on it. The Angels have a history of grabbing their ankles against the Sox. Shields dominates every team in baseball, but when he sees the Sox he wets himself and goes to hide in a corner.

jeterismyhomeboy
08-06-07, 09:03 PM
It's like the one night the Yanks need a little help, and teams with potential (Twins, D-Rays) collapse. The Rays actually had a shot, and then...*poof*

Sometimes baseball infuriates me.

Oh, and the Angels will inevitably curl up in fetal position at the sight of the Sox. The WC was what I was looking for tonight.

dabomb2045
08-06-07, 09:04 PM
It's like the one night the Yanks need a little help, and teams with potential (Twins, D-Rays) collapse. The Rays actually had a shot, and then...*poof*

Sometimes baseball infuriates me.

Lesson #1: Never get your hopes up about getting help from the DRays. If they win and help out...treat it as a pleasant surprise.

nyyfan11111
08-06-07, 09:04 PM
Tampa will rally....I feel it

jeterismyhomeboy
08-06-07, 09:09 PM
Tampa will rally....I feel it

Are you sure it wasn't just your stomach?

Meanwhile, the Twins are very politely telling Cleveland that "Yes sir, we'd like another."

spyglass
08-06-07, 09:09 PM
Tigers win.

nyyfan11111
08-06-07, 09:10 PM
Are you sure it wasn't just your stomach?

Meanwhile, the Twins are very politely telling Cleveland that "Yes sir, we'd like another."

I guess it was

dabomb2045
08-06-07, 09:10 PM
Paul Byrd is one of those "How in the world does this guy ever get out major league hitters" type pitchers. His stuff is non-existent. He just throws slop up to the plate and somehow gets away with it. He doesnt strike anyone out and he gives up way more then a hit per inning. Also gives up his share of HR's.

Yet his ERA is somehow only 4.20

Num2MVP
08-06-07, 09:15 PM
I do believe the Devil Rays are on pace for an all time worst season out of a bullpen.

Lesson #1: Never get your hopes up about getting help from the DRays

We do get help from the Devil Rays, when we play them. Are you forgetting the 49 runs in 3 days?

sweet_lou_14
08-06-07, 09:17 PM
It's like the one night the Yanks need a little help, and teams with potential (Twins, D-Rays) collapse. The Rays actually had a shot, and then...*poof*

Sometimes baseball infuriates me.

Oh, and the Angels will inevitably curl up in fetal position at the sight of the Sox. The WC was what I was looking for tonight.

"The one night the Yanks need a little help"??? What are you talking about?

The Yankees have needed a little help for months now. The teams they've trailed have all been playing under .500 since the All-Star Break, with Detroit in free fall.

How much more can you ask for?

sweet_lou_14
08-06-07, 09:19 PM
Are you sure it wasn't just your stomach?

Meanwhile, the Twins are very politely telling Cleveland that "Yes sir, we'd like another."

The Twins have played Cleveland really tough, including a 1-0 victory.

We can't expect everything to go our way ... Cleveland and Detroit are going to win sometimes.

jwyshner
08-06-07, 09:23 PM
The Yankees have needed a little help for months now. The teams they've trailed have all been playing under .500 since the All-Star Break, with Detroit in free fall.

How much more can you ask for?

This is pretty accurate. It is pretty surprising right now that no one holds the wild card lead at around 20 games over .500.

jeterismyhomeboy
08-06-07, 09:24 PM
Hey, hey! I'm not a D-Rays fan! I complain about things!

I'm not really upset about it. I was just too excited at being in the lead for the WC and then frustrated at having it taken away just a few hours later. I'll calm down.

Big Game Andy
08-06-07, 09:25 PM
Schilling serving up some line drives... two batters, two hard hit balls.

nortonfan83
08-06-07, 09:27 PM
The Twins have played Cleveland really tough, including a 1-0 victory.

We can't expect everything to go our way ... Cleveland and Detroit are going to win sometimes.

Also, you don't want the Twins winning every game against Cleveland and Detroit. Minnesota could quickly find the way to top of Wild Card with their pitching if they ever got hot.

spyglass
08-06-07, 09:28 PM
Also, you don't want the Twins winning every game against Cleveland and Detroit. Minnesota could quickly find the way to top of Wild Card with their pitching if they ever got hot.
Ideally what I guess we want is for those three teams to beat up on each other, so that no team is able to get a huge lead over the other.

LuisTiant
08-06-07, 09:28 PM
End of 1 in Anaheim, 0-0.

justinvarnes
08-06-07, 09:36 PM
Year that Pena won manager of the year.

Ah, yes. Thank you.

themgmt
08-06-07, 09:38 PM
Bonds' Wife is smoking.

LuisTiant
08-06-07, 09:45 PM
End of 2 in Anaheim, 0-0.

Big Game Andy
08-06-07, 09:53 PM
Youkils 2 run HR.

I hate the Weavers.

jeterismyhomeboy
08-06-07, 09:55 PM
Youkils 2 run HR.

I hate the Weavers.

Watching Gameday, it said that he had been squeezed. If you're watching, is that true?

BonusCantos
08-06-07, 09:56 PM
50/50 chance that the LAAoAAAAAA fold from here on in.

jeterismyhomeboy
08-06-07, 09:57 PM
50/50 chance that the LAAoAAAAAA fold from here on in.

I'm really betting on 90/10.

Big Game Andy
08-06-07, 09:58 PM
Watching Gameday, it said that he had been squeezed. If you're watching, is that true?

A little bit. I don't think Jered Weaver is any good, though.

dabomb2045
08-06-07, 09:58 PM
50/50 chance that the LAAoAAAAAA fold from here on in.

Only 50/50? You're being generous. I fully expect at least one Shields meltdown in this series....maybe two. Of course he will return to being unhittable against everyone else, especially us in a few weeks.

BonusCantos
08-06-07, 09:59 PM
I'm really betting on 90/10. Meh, I was just covering my bases in the slim chance that they do come back and someone cites my post ("your an idiot!!!!11!")

DEADSOX
08-06-07, 09:59 PM
I think there are more Boston fans at the LAA game than Angels, Id expect that from a bad team but the Angels are good.

LuisTiant
08-06-07, 10:02 PM
LAA waste a 2-out triple from Figgins.

2-0 Boston, end of 3.

E-Rod
08-06-07, 10:05 PM
LAA waste a 2-out triple from Figgins.

2-0 Boston, end of 3.

We can't get Figgins out, Boston can't too.

LuisTiant
08-06-07, 10:05 PM
Manny ejected after a called strike 3!!!!!!!!!!!

DEADSOX
08-06-07, 10:05 PM
Manny gets ejected :D

Big Game Andy
08-06-07, 10:06 PM
Manny, sit down and shut your damn mouth. Take your bat with you too.

-tz
08-06-07, 10:06 PM
Bonds' Wife is smoking.Smoking what? :confused: ;)

Yankswun98
08-06-07, 10:07 PM
HAHAHA it was funny watching him get thrown out!

E-Rod
08-06-07, 10:07 PM
Manny ejected after a called strike 3!!!!!!!!!!!

Bad they don't get suspensions for this type of ejection in Baseball :)

themgmt
08-06-07, 10:08 PM
Smoking what? :confused: ;)

steroids.

TheYankee
08-06-07, 10:08 PM
Just Manny being Manny... Lord I hate that saying.

LeapsNbounds
08-06-07, 10:09 PM
Just Manny being Manny... Lord I hate that saying.

No worries, you typed it ;)

Mel Marquis
08-06-07, 10:10 PM
Manny gets ejected :D

Seemed like the ump was a little quick with the trigger on that ejection - especially since it appeared that Manny did check his swing. Maybe the Sox will get a look at the rookie Moss tonight.

gregzzy22
08-06-07, 10:16 PM
Man, nobody doing us any favors tonight, huh?

Big Game Andy
08-06-07, 10:17 PM
If Schilling wasn't so fat, maybe he would have gotten that without hurting his finger.

E-Rod
08-06-07, 10:17 PM
Seemed like the ump was a little quick with the trigger on that ejection - especially since it appeared that Manny did check his swing. Maybe the Sox will get a look at the rookie Moss tonight.

Some players will suffer for their bad reputation in situations they are right, i don't have anything against Manny but i will always prefer baseball players that stay calm and show emotion only when the game is over.

Mel Marquis
08-06-07, 10:21 PM
Some players will suffer for their bad reputation in situations they are right, i don't have anything against Manny but i will always prefer baseball players that stay calm and show emotion only when the game is over.

Excellent point. You're probably right, Manny's reputation probably was the reason he got tossed there - cuz it certainly appeared that he didn't swing at that particular pitch.

YASS
08-06-07, 10:21 PM
Seemed like the ump was a little quick with the trigger on that ejection - especially since it appeared that Manny did check his swing. Maybe the Sox will get a look at the rookie Moss tonight.

Moss makes his ML debut going out to LF for Manny. Manny gets an unscheduled off day.

emgoodman
08-06-07, 10:22 PM
Excellent point. You're probably right, Manny's reputation probably was the reason he got tossed there - cuz it certainly appeared that he didn't swing at that strike.

Manny is considered on of the most emotionless ball players - he hardly ever argues balls and strikes.

sweet_lou_14
08-06-07, 10:23 PM
Moss throws to the wrong base, 2nd and 3rd for the Angels with one out.

Big Game Andy
08-06-07, 10:23 PM
Moss makes his ML debut going out to LF for Manny. Manny gets an unscheduled off day.
Is it September already?

YASS
08-06-07, 10:23 PM
If Schilling wasn't so fat, maybe he would have gotten that without hurting his finger.

I know it was just an instinctive reaction to reach for that ball off Vladdy's bat with his throwing hand, but that certainly could have cut his return short.

Tabata
08-06-07, 10:23 PM
Angels coming?

Yeessssssssssss

BonusCantos
08-06-07, 10:23 PM
Thunder sticks and rally monkeys...I hate that franchise.

Kluivert4Ever
08-06-07, 10:23 PM
Angels threatning here in the 4th, runners on 3rd and 2nd with only 1 out.

sweet_lou_14
08-06-07, 10:24 PM
And we have a tie game!!!

Schilling can't cover first, the rookie can't throw to the right base, and it's 2-2.

THEBOSS84
08-06-07, 10:24 PM
Angels tie the score at 2

Kluivert4Ever
08-06-07, 10:24 PM
We are all tied up.

Thanks Mr Fatty!

themgmt
08-06-07, 10:24 PM
2-2 in LA

spyglass
08-06-07, 10:25 PM
Thunder sticks and rally monkeys...I hate that franchise.
Could not have said it better myself.



I'd like to take those thunder sticks and take care of those @!*(# rally monkeys :P

Tabata
08-06-07, 10:25 PM
http://anaheim.angels.mlb.com/images/2002/08/06/5DskhCqO.jpg

sweet_lou_14
08-06-07, 10:25 PM
Is it September already?

I heard that he's going to be grabbing a bite with Enrique Wilson during the 5th inning.

LuisTiant
08-06-07, 10:25 PM
Tied!

teknetic
08-06-07, 10:25 PM
Kotchman ties it. 2-2

Kluivert4Ever
08-06-07, 10:25 PM
And we have a tie game!!!

Schilling can't cover first, the rookie can't throw to the right base, and it's 2-2.
And Schilling continues to get fatter.

keg411
08-06-07, 10:25 PM
The Angels are really really cheesy. I really dislike them. That said, they're hitting Schilling who was dumb enough to possibly get himself injured again.

BonusCantos
08-06-07, 10:26 PM
Hell, I'm surprised the Angels scored 1.

sweet_lou_14
08-06-07, 10:26 PM
The Angels are really really cheesy. I really dislike them. That said, they're hitting Schilling who was dumb enough to possibly get himself injured again.

Yeah, barehanding the grounder ... looks like he's OK though.

YASS
08-06-07, 10:27 PM
Yeah, barehanding the grounder ... looks like he's OK though.

He hasn't broken 90 with his fastball since the ball hit his finger.

spyglass
08-06-07, 10:27 PM
Okay, is it sad that I actually kind of want the Red Sox feed? I like Remy and Orsillo.

Big Game Andy
08-06-07, 10:27 PM
I love how some of these hitters like to bail out Red Sox pitchers... how many times have I seen a Red Sox pitcher in trouble and then the opposing team swings at the first pitch....

BonusCantos
08-06-07, 10:28 PM
Could not have said it better myself.



I'd like to take those thunder sticks and take care of those @!*(# rally monkeys :P
I look forward to the year where the Yanks get really pissed off and sweep the season series.

YASS
08-06-07, 10:28 PM
Okay, is it sad that I actually kind of want the Red Sox feed? I like Remy and Orsillo.

The Halo guys are awful.

CalYankeeFan
08-06-07, 10:29 PM
Okay, is it sad that I actually kind of want the Red Sox feed? I like Remy and Orsillo.

I like them too - they are pretty fair.

spyglass
08-06-07, 10:29 PM
I look forward to the year where the Yanks get really pissed off and sweep the season series.
I, too, look foward to that year.


Furthermore, I look forward to us one year soon sweeping them out of the playoffs and excising all of those old demons.

Big Game Andy
08-06-07, 10:30 PM
I'm so glad the Angels didn't pick Phil Hughes in the 2004 draft and instead picked Jered Weaver.

emgoodman
08-06-07, 10:31 PM
I love how some of these hitters like to bail out Red Sox pitchers... how many times have I seen a Red Sox pitcher in trouble and then the opposing team swings at the first pitch....

Yeah, that never happens to a Yankee pitcher.

Mel Marquis
08-06-07, 10:35 PM
The umpire who ran Manny is James Hoye, a vacation replacement ump. What's bizarre is that Manny hardly ever argues balls & strikes and barely said a peep to him - whatever the peep was must have been of the 4 letter variety.

Big Game Andy
08-06-07, 10:37 PM
That kid gets so many ................ing cheap hits.

LuisTiant
08-06-07, 10:37 PM
The Angels are really really cheesy. I really dislike them.

I hope somehow Seattle catches them in the West.

LuisTiant
08-06-07, 10:39 PM
Okay, is it sad that I actually kind of want the Red Sox feed? I like Remy and Orsillo.

Yeah, those two crack me up. Especially when they just lose it in the booth cracking each other up at some really stupid joke.

Mel Marquis
08-06-07, 10:39 PM
I hope somehow Seattle catches them in the West.

Could easily happen. Seattle has got a really tough team, in my opinion. And the back end of their bullpen is just sick. That should be a fun race to watch.

Mel Marquis
08-06-07, 10:40 PM
What an amazing play by Cabrera - why can't the Sox get guys like that :)

Kluivert4Ever
08-06-07, 10:40 PM
Ortiz with a cluch groundout.

BonusCantos
08-06-07, 10:41 PM
The Angels escape that one.

Big Game Andy
08-06-07, 10:41 PM
What a play!!

Now score some runs off the hittable Schilling.

spyglass
08-06-07, 10:41 PM
That was an interesting play.

Tabata
08-06-07, 10:41 PM
How far away did he swing at that?

Yankees13
08-06-07, 10:43 PM
The umpire who ran Manny is James Hoye, a vacation replacement ump. What's bizarre is that Manny hardly ever argues balls & strikes and barely said a peep to him - whatever the peep was must have been of the 4 letter variety.
The ump probably just wanted to make a name for himself when he had a chance.

TheInfallibleOne
08-06-07, 10:44 PM
What amazes me is that Schillings pitch count is in the mid 50s. WTF hes just barely coming off the DL, there was that comebacker he caught, he should be laying an igawa type of egg right now...damn LAA, where are the thundersticks and rally monkies now?

LuisTiant
08-06-07, 10:44 PM
The ump probably just wanted to make a name for himself when he had a chance.

It was kinda a bull................ call. But hey!!!

spyglass
08-06-07, 10:44 PM
As a side note, I switched briefly over to the Nats/Giants game, and Tim Lincecum's curveball is SICK.

E-Rod
08-06-07, 10:44 PM
I love how some of these hitters like to bail out Red Sox pitchers... how many times have I seen a Red Sox pitcher in trouble and then the opposing team swings at the first pitch....

Can't blame them, our hitters like to do that too, i hate when we need a long inning to give our pitcher some rest and the yankees' hitters came and go 1,2,3 swing at everything. They did that today too.

jeterismyhomeboy
08-06-07, 10:45 PM
High on the randomness meter: the A's lead 7-3 through 7.5 innings, having smoked Texas pitching for six runs in the first (including a GS from Mo's favorite player: Marco Scutaro), and blow it in the 8th and 9th.

Alan Embree, thank you for pitching horribly for someone else. (And special props to Santiago Castilla, who gave Texas 3 runs in the 8th.)

They're currently tied 7-7 in the 10th. After Marco Scutaro homered, I thought the game was over. ;)

CalYankeeFan
08-06-07, 10:47 PM
What amazes me is that Schillings pitch count is in the mid 50s. WTF hes just barely coming off the DL, there was that comebacker he caught, he should be laying an igawa type of egg right now...damn LAA, where are the thundersticks and rally monkies now?

The monkies run off with the thundersticks at the very sight of the Red Sox.

LuisTiant
08-06-07, 10:48 PM
End of 5 in ANA.

2-2.

Big Game Andy
08-06-07, 10:51 PM
I'm calling it, Scott Shields will blow this game.

TheInfallibleOne
08-06-07, 10:51 PM
The monkies run off with the thundersticks at the very sight of the Red Sox.

Then Mike Scioscia should get himself a gorilla suit and improvise. I dont care if he has to have Weaver leave a banana peel on the mound after the 3rd out just find a way to get to Schilling.

spyglass
08-06-07, 10:52 PM
I'm calling it, Scott Shields will blow this game.
I'm pretty sure the Red Sox are the ONLY team that ever scores runs off of him.

keg411
08-06-07, 10:52 PM
I still don't get how Angels = Monkey. When did that crap start? And did Disney have something to do with it? I don't remember any monkeys in "Angels in the Outfield"....

jeterismyhomeboy
08-06-07, 10:53 PM
Either Gameday is going crazy, or the strike zone is about two inches into the RH batter's box today.

Can anyone watching explain this phenomenon to me?

spyglass
08-06-07, 10:54 PM
Wow, I thought that was better hit off the bat.

::breathes::

Big Game Andy
08-06-07, 10:54 PM
I'm pretty sure the Red Sox are the ONLY team that ever scores runs off of him.

Boston - 23 IP, 7.33 ERA
Yankees - 40 IP, 2.21 ERA

Kluivert4Ever
08-06-07, 10:54 PM
How do you know Moss is a rookie?

His helmet is not covered with dirt and other things.

sweet_lou_14
08-06-07, 10:54 PM
I still don't get how Angels = Monkey. When did that crap start? And did Disney have something to do with it? I don't remember any monkeys in "Angels in the Outfield"....

Yeah, the people in my family who believe in angels don't like to talk about monkeys.

TheInfallibleOne
08-06-07, 10:55 PM
I'm calling it, Scott Shields will blow this game.


Actually, with Manny out of the lineup and this Moss kid batting cleanup, it effectively removes Ortiz as a threat, therefore the Red Sox offense should go very quietly.

Now that I think about it, if you get Manny out of any given Sox game, you cripple their lineup entirely.

jeterismyhomeboy
08-06-07, 10:55 PM
How do you know Moss is a rookie?

His helmet is not covered with dirt and other things.

I don't think he's very gritty either. And his clutchitude factor is practically non-existent. It's very disturbing.

Mel Marquis
08-06-07, 10:55 PM
Sox teeing off on Weaver now. Moss almost hit one out and Drew & Lowell with line drive hits.

Kluivert4Ever
08-06-07, 10:55 PM
Weaver is terrible.

BonusCantos
08-06-07, 10:56 PM
I'm calling it, Scott Shields will blow this game.
Or Weaver can do it himself.

Big Game Andy
08-06-07, 10:56 PM
Figgins would have grabbed that liner from Drew if he was facing the Yankees

spyglass
08-06-07, 10:56 PM
Boston - 23 IP, 7.33 ERA
Yankees - 40 IP, 2.21 ERA
Is there anything on Johnny Damon's numbers vs. him since defecting? I'm sure the sample size is too small, but it'd be funny to see if there is a difference...


2 on, 1 out.

TheInfallibleOne
08-06-07, 10:56 PM
How do you know Moss is a rookie?

His helmet is not covered with dirt and other things.

Born in 1983, something tells me hes not Cal Ripken Jr...at least not yet

sweet_lou_14
08-06-07, 10:56 PM
I don't think he's very gritty either. And his clutchitude factor is practically non-existent. It's very disturbing.

He needs to ask "Tek" for some eye-black so he could be a "dirt dog." :uhh:

spyglass
08-06-07, 10:57 PM
Figgins would have grabbed that liner from Drew if he was facing the Yankees
I'm pretty sure Weaver would be no-hitting us, too.

Big Game Andy
08-06-07, 10:57 PM
Is there anything on Johnny Damon's numbers vs. him since defecting? I'm sure the sample size is too small, but it'd be funny to see if there is a difference...


2 on, 1 out.

I don't see anything of note. Too small of a sample size too.

jeterismyhomeboy
08-06-07, 10:58 PM
Actually, with Manny out of the lineup and this Moss kid batting cleanup, it effectively removes Ortiz as a threat, therefore the Red Sox offense should go very quietly.

Now that I think about it, if you get Manny out of any given Sox game, you cripple their lineup entirely.

Manny practically was missing from their lineup the first month and a half of the season, and they managed to do okay. They have a whole bunch of players you wouldn't think could hit the broad side of a barn, let alone a breaking ball, but they're getting the job done (even if they are playing above their heads).

They aren't crippled at all. Plus, I'm pretty sure the Angels are planning on lying down in the field and staring up at the smoggy LA sky to try and find stars soon, so they'll get their hits.

26 and counting
08-06-07, 10:58 PM
Jeff Weaver is actually doing something to help the Yankees tonight. So far.

spyglass
08-06-07, 10:58 PM
I don't see anything of note. Too small of a sample size too.
I figured. I'm not usually so much of a conspiracy theorist, but the LAAAAA are a special case :P

LuisTiant
08-06-07, 10:58 PM
Actually, with Manny out of the lineup and this Moss kid batting cleanup, it effectively removes Ortiz as a threat

I dunno. Pretty good AB from that kid.

JeterRodriguezSheff
08-06-07, 10:59 PM
Im glad the Angels took Weaver instead of Hughes in the draft

DaYanks24
08-06-07, 10:59 PM
Weaver has a nice little change.

LuisTiant
08-06-07, 11:02 PM
Escaped.

And my fantasy team breathes a sigh of relief....

spyglass
08-06-07, 11:03 PM
Weaver does have a nice change.

keg411
08-06-07, 11:04 PM
Weaver K's Crisp. My god the Angels announcers are homers. They're almost as bad as the ChiSox guys.

Big Game Andy
08-06-07, 11:04 PM
Weaver does have a nice change.

Nothing else really screams "top of the rotation starter" to me though. He relies on deception.

Good job by him, though.

TheManKnownAsMecca
08-06-07, 11:07 PM
I'm not trying to jinx Anaheim here but I see Tavarez is warming up. If he is put into this game, I'd be shocked if the Angels didn't win.

Big Game Andy
08-06-07, 11:08 PM
Wow, he killed that. Schilling got lucky.

TheManKnownAsMecca
08-06-07, 11:08 PM
I dunno. Pretty good AB from that kid.

One AB where you foul off quite a few pitches, doesn't make you good protection for Ortiz.

LuisTiant
08-06-07, 11:09 PM
Schilling induces the easiest DP ball I've seen in a long time.

End of 6: 2-2.

spyglass
08-06-07, 11:09 PM
Nothing else really screams "top of the rotation starter" to me though. He relies on deception.

Good job by him, though.
I agree. He's done a good job primarily by deception, but I am certainly glad that we got Hughes out of the 04 draft instead

He stood up well tonight though.

YASS
08-06-07, 11:09 PM
One AB where you foul off quite a few pitches, doesn't make you good protection for Ortiz.

Give the kid a little credit. He squared it up and sent it to the warning track on a line. Didn't get all of it, but he put on a nice swing.

JeterRodriguezSheff
08-06-07, 11:12 PM
so yeah Angels need to be patient. When you got a man on and the pitcher just threw one in the dirt, you dont swing at the next pitch unless you know its a strike, and it was clearly not close.

LuisTiant
08-06-07, 11:13 PM
One AB where you foul off quite a few pitches, doesn't make you good protection for Ortiz.

He's not Manny.

But it was a solid AB.

Looked him up on MILB.com. Kid's 23 (24 in September) and hit .290/.371/.477 in AAA. Probably significantly better protection than anyone on their bench now. Of course, that's not a high bar.

TheManKnownAsMecca
08-06-07, 11:13 PM
Give the kid a little credit. He squared it up and sent it to the warning track on a line. Didn't get all of it, but he put on a nice swing.

It was a good AB, but the original statement said that Ortiz has no protection now with Moss behind him. Another poster brought up Moss' AB to this saying it might give Ortiz some protection. One good AB does not make it so that Ortiz is going to see hittable pitches. There is no way Ortiz should get a hittable pitch tonight with Moss behind him in the lineup.

Big Game Andy
08-06-07, 11:14 PM
I thought that ball by Pedroia was going to drop. If that kid gets another cheap hit, I'm going to freak out.

JeterRodriguezSheff
08-06-07, 11:14 PM
He's not Manny.

But it was a solid AB.

Looked him up on MILB.com. Kid's 23 (24 in September) and hit .290/.371/.477 in AAA. Probably significantly better protection than anyone on their bench now. Of course, that's not a high bar.

eh, Ill wait for a scouting report before i get excited over him

TheManKnownAsMecca
08-06-07, 11:15 PM
He's not Manny.

But it was a solid AB.

Looked him up on MILB.com. Kid's 23 (24 in September) and hit .290/.371/.477 in AAA. Probably significantly better protection than anyone on their bench now. Of course, that's not a high bar.

I agree it was solid in that he fouled off a lot of pitches and sent the ball far. However, Ortiz should get pitched around because Moss provides him no real protection.

TheInfallibleOne
08-06-07, 11:16 PM
Manny practically was missing from their lineup the first month and a half of the season, and they managed to do okay. They have a whole bunch of players you wouldn't think could hit the broad side of a barn, let alone a breaking ball, but they're getting the job done (even if they are playing above their heads).

They aren't crippled at all. Plus, I'm pretty sure the Angels are planning on lying down in the field and staring up at the smoggy LA sky to try and find stars soon, so they'll get their hits.

The threat of Manny behind Ortiz is why he gets such good pitches to hit. Take Manny out and replace him with a rookie and it hurts ALOT. Even if lowell youkilis and the rest of them hit well, having Manny in there packs a punch. Look at the lineup without him and it doesnt look so bad.

apolansk
08-06-07, 11:16 PM
Why not bring in WMP instead of moss, surely he has to offer more protection?

Tabata
08-06-07, 11:18 PM
Ortiz showing us how clutch he is.

teknetic
08-06-07, 11:18 PM
Why not bring in WMP instead of moss, surely he has to offer more protection?

Because Willy Mo is the definiton of useless.

Big Game Andy
08-06-07, 11:19 PM
How does Wakefield have 13 wins? :wtf:

DEADSOX
08-06-07, 11:19 PM
Angles take the lead! 3-2

YASS
08-06-07, 11:20 PM
Why not bring in WMP instead of moss, surely he has to offer more protection?


Moss is a lefthanded bat, and WMP is not.
Wily Mo doesn't handle offspeed stuff so well, so he doesn't match up well against Weaver.

Tabata
08-06-07, 11:20 PM
Angles take the lead!

Big Game Andy
08-06-07, 11:21 PM
Schilling hangs a splitter, HR Izturis.

TheInfallibleOne
08-06-07, 11:21 PM
WOOHOO GO IZTURIS!! 6 more outs without a run, is it possible? get K-Rod up NOW!

Tabata
08-06-07, 11:21 PM
How does Wakefield have 13 wins? :wtf:

:-shrug-:

YASS
08-06-07, 11:21 PM
How does Wakefield have 13 wins? :wtf:

He hasn't had a no-decision all year.

metalboy15
08-06-07, 11:21 PM
Maicer Izturis homered!!!??? :wtf:

:D

Big Game Andy
08-06-07, 11:23 PM
Double by Mathis. Another hanging splitter. :lol:

YASS
08-06-07, 11:23 PM
That double looked about an inch foul on the replay to me. Just a hairsbreadth between the chalk and the ball.

The Halo Homers doing the broadcast saw it on the replay and quickly stopped talking about it being fair, without bothering to acknowledge what they'd actually just seen.

dabomb2045
08-06-07, 11:23 PM
I'm assuming we'll see Shields in the 8th. Lets hope we dont see one of his patented Red Sox meltdowns.

Tabata
08-06-07, 11:24 PM
Double by Mathis. Another hanging splitter. :lol:

:)

How, go and get a 2 run lead please!

simmy886
08-06-07, 11:24 PM
Please bring this run home.

Sam18
08-06-07, 11:25 PM
How come this GT doesn't suck like the Yankees GT?

frostdude1
08-06-07, 11:26 PM
Schilling implodes :D

simmy886
08-06-07, 11:26 PM
So Tavarez is back in the pen because Schilling is back in the rotation? His gamelog says his last appearance was a start on Aug 1 so thats what I assume..

frostdude1
08-06-07, 11:27 PM
ahahahaha :lol:

-tz
08-06-07, 11:27 PM
How come this GT doesn't suck like the Yankees GT?Cause it's not a GT! :P

Tabata
08-06-07, 11:27 PM
4-2 Angles

simmy886
08-06-07, 11:28 PM
It wasn't caught until the end of the bobble. He should be called out if he left before that. Dammit.

NYDCYankee
08-06-07, 11:28 PM
He should be out.

Big Game Andy
08-06-07, 11:28 PM
Good call by the umpires.

NYDCYankee
08-06-07, 11:29 PM
Interesting, I never thought of that.

YASS
08-06-07, 11:29 PM
So Tavarez is back in the pen because Schilling is back in the rotation? His gamelog says his last appearance was a start on Aug 1 so thats what I assume..

No, his last few appearances have all been from the pen. He hasn't started since July 18th.

TheManKnownAsMecca
08-06-07, 11:30 PM
It wasn't caught until the end of the bobble. He should be called out if he left before that. Dammit.

Why do you want him to be out?

NYDCYankee
08-06-07, 11:30 PM
Why with the Red Sox vaunted bullpen is Tavarez pitching?

simmy886
08-06-07, 11:30 PM
He should be out.

I agree. The Angels anouncer said the guy could break for home once the fielder touches the ball. That doesn't make any sense to me. What if it was lined off a fielder and flew high into the outfield straight towards an outfielder, the guy can scamper home right away regardless of if the ball is caught? It should be when he has control of it.

YASS
08-06-07, 11:30 PM
Interesting, I never thought of that.

Yeah, I didn't know that rule, either.

DEADSOX
08-06-07, 11:31 PM
Sox comming apart in this game...

Big Game Andy
08-06-07, 11:31 PM
I agree. The Angels anouncer said the guy could break for home once the fielder touches the ball. That doesn't make any sense to me. What if it was lined off a fielder and flew high into the outfield straight towards an outfielder, the guy can scamper home right away regardless of if the ball is caught? It should be when he has control of it.

No. The rule book specifically states that as soon as the outfielder makes contact with the ball, the runner at 3rd can tag up and try to score and not be called out. It doesn't matter if he bobbles it, as soon as he makes contact the runner is free to tag up. It's in the rule book.

simmy886
08-06-07, 11:31 PM
No, his last few appearances have all been from the pen. He hasn't started since July 18th.

He started on August 1st against Baltimore, no? 3 runs, 7 hits in 5 innings, 1 walk and no strikeouts?

frostdude1
08-06-07, 11:31 PM
did they reverse the call ?

YASS
08-06-07, 11:32 PM
Why with the Red Sox vaunted bullpen is Tavarez pitching?

I. Have. No. Clue.

Tabata
08-06-07, 11:32 PM
Yeah, I didn't know that rule, either.

What happened?

frostdude1
08-06-07, 11:32 PM
I agree. The Angels anouncer said the guy could break for home once the fielder touches the ball. That doesn't make any sense to me. What if it was lined off a fielder and flew high into the outfield straight towards an outfielder, the guy can scamper home right away regardless of if the ball is caught? It should be when he has control of it.

how would the runner know exactly when the outfielder has "control" of it ?

DEADSOX
08-06-07, 11:33 PM
I. Have. No. Clue.

Francona is taking the Torre approach obviously.

simmy886
08-06-07, 11:33 PM
No. The rule book specifically states that as soon as the outfielder makes contact with the ball, the runner at 3rd can tag up and try to score and not be called out. It's in the rule book. Not many people know about it, but it's a rule.

I didn't know the rule, I was just saying what I thought the rule should be. But I changed my mind, I just realized an outfielder could otherwise intentionally bobble the ball and juggle it all the while running towards the infield and never having "full control" and never letting the runner go at all. Good rule.

Big Game Andy
08-06-07, 11:33 PM
What happened?

Figgins hits a liner to LF. Moss bobbles it but eventually catches it. The runner at 3rd tagged up when Moss was in the process of bobbling the ball. That is allowed. As soon as the outfielder makes contact with the ball, the runner at 3rd is free to tag up.

NYDCYankee
08-06-07, 11:33 PM
Francona is taking the Torre approach obviously.

Julian has a belly full of guts.

keg411
08-06-07, 11:34 PM
I guess Theo got Gagne and still didn't make the Sox bullpen Francona-proof :lol:.

frostdude1
08-06-07, 11:34 PM
I didn't know the rule, I was just saying what I thought the rule should be. But I changed my mind, I just realized an outfielder could otherwise intentionally bobble the ball and juggle it all the while running towards the infield and never having "full control" and never letting the runner go at all. Good rule.

:2thumbs:

simmy886
08-06-07, 11:35 PM
I guess Theo got Gagne and still didn't make the Sox bullpen Francona-proof :lol:.

Francona-proof! That's great. I find it really funny that other teams probably have the exact same problems/complaints as us.

JeterRodriguezSheff
08-06-07, 11:36 PM
Im just happy Schilling had a rough start back. If the Angels can actually win as well that would be awesome.

Big Game Andy
08-06-07, 11:36 PM
If I was a Red Sox fan, I'd wonder why Delcarmen wasn't in. I'm glad Tavarez is in, though. :gulp:

Tabata
08-06-07, 11:37 PM
Figgins hits a liner to LF. Moss bobbles it but eventually catches it. The runner at 3rd tagged up when Moss was in the process of bobbling the ball. That is allowed. As soon as the outfielder makes contact with the ball, the runner at 3rd is free to tag up.

Interesting...

Thanks.

YASS
08-06-07, 11:37 PM
What happened?

Mathis on third, one out. Line drive hit to left, but Moss, the left fielder bobbled the catch before he got control of the ball. It bounced off his glove a few times before he actually made the catch.

Mathis tagged up at third and took off towards home as soon as the ball initially touched his glove. Francona complained that he left the bag before the ball was actually caught since the ball was bobbled, but the umps said the rule is that the catch happens as soon as the ball touches his glove, even if he bobbles it afterwards.

They explained that the rule is written that way to preclude outfielders from juggling balls all the way into the infield to prevent runners from tagging up and advancing.

NYDCYankee
08-06-07, 11:39 PM
These angels broadcasters are homers.

Big Game Andy
08-06-07, 11:40 PM
Shields... pretend you are pitching against the Yankees.

YASS
08-06-07, 11:40 PM
Im just happy Schilling had a rough start back. If the Angels can actually win as well that would be awesome.

Schilling pitched well. He made a mistake to Izturis to lose the lead, but otherwise he seemed pretty much like his old pre-June-suckage self.

I'm not surprised he lost it in the 7th after the extended DL stint without much throwing.

dabomb2045
08-06-07, 11:40 PM
Shields does his best Farnsworth imitation against the Sox

Big Game Andy
08-06-07, 11:40 PM
This is so ................ing predictable.

jeterismyhomeboy
08-06-07, 11:41 PM
Shields just walked Moss. Walked. Moss.

Now he's throwing the ball a foot out of the strike zone to J.D. Drew. He's melting down. And he's only faced two batters.

keg411
08-06-07, 11:42 PM
Ugh. This game is painful. I hate the Angels. I hate the Red Sox. I hate the Angels announcers. And yet... I don't go to sleep.

ETA: And I really hate Scot Shields.

NYDCYankee
08-06-07, 11:42 PM
Hahahhaaha he just called Drew dangerous.

JeterRodriguezSheff
08-06-07, 11:42 PM
Schilling pitched well. He made a mistake to Izturis to lose the lead, but otherwise he seemed pretty much like his old pre-June-suckage self.

6 ip 9 hits 4 ER according to Gameday. That and his velocity was down and his splitter didnt have its normal sharp bite.(the splitter thing is hearsay from a Red Sox forum im reading right now)

Big Game Andy
08-06-07, 11:42 PM
Get K-rod up!!!

teknetic
08-06-07, 11:43 PM
I hate Scot Shields, hate, hate, hate.

simmy886
08-06-07, 11:43 PM
He's a good pitcher. He'll get it done. I like Shields here.

jeterismyhomeboy
08-06-07, 11:43 PM
6 ip 9 hits 4 ER according to Gameday. That and his velocity was down and his splitter didnt have its normal sharp bite.(the splitter thing is hearsay from a Red Sox forum im reading right now)

Can you please update your sig?! It's driving me crazy!

dabomb2045
08-06-07, 11:44 PM
I remember posting the stats in the GT when we last played the Angels.

Against the Yanks since 2004...Shields ERA was like 1.70 and his BAA was like .160 or something.

Against the Sox since 2004...his ERA was over 10 and his BAA was over .340

jeterismyhomeboy
08-06-07, 11:44 PM
He's a good pitcher. He'll get it done. I like Shields here.

Sadly, so do the Sox. He has a career ERA of 7.33 against them.

Tabata
08-06-07, 11:44 PM
Mathis on third, one out. Line drive hit to left, but Moss, the left fielder bobbled the catch before he got control of the ball. It bounced off his glove a few times before he actually made the catch.

Mathis tagged up at third and took off towards home as soon as the ball initially touched his glove. Francona complained that he left the bag before the ball was actually caught since the ball was bobbled, but the umps said the rule is that the catch happens as soon as the ball touches his glove, even if he bobbles it afterwards.

They explained that the rule is written that way to preclude outfielders from juggling balls all the way into the infield to prevent runners from tagging up and advancing.

Thanks YASS

Big Game Andy
08-06-07, 11:44 PM
Sit down, Lowell.

JeterRodriguezSheff
08-06-07, 11:45 PM
Can you please update your sig?! It's driving me crazy!

I actually was going to update it, but then we started winning a lot, and I figured if i got cocky about A-rod being A-rod, that would disrupt the balance. Ill update it again at the first 3 game losing streak(so hopefully never)

YASS
08-06-07, 11:46 PM
Sit down, Lowell.

He has to, but he was right. That ball hit the dirt.

jeterismyhomeboy
08-06-07, 11:46 PM
I bet Tek homers here. It's Scott Shield's destiny to completely collapse when facing the Red Sox.

Tabata
08-06-07, 11:46 PM
Bring in K-Rod! :-po'd-:

JeterRodriguezSheff
08-06-07, 11:50 PM
that actually didnt suck

TheManKnownAsMecca
08-06-07, 11:50 PM
Nice rebound by Shields after those first two batters.

Big Game Andy
08-06-07, 11:50 PM
Yes!!!!!!!! Good job by Shields, gotta hand it to him.

Tabata
08-06-07, 11:50 PM
Shields: "Can I help you Coco?"

Crisp: "No thanks, I'm just looking."

dabomb2045
08-06-07, 11:51 PM
Pleasantly surprised about how that inning turned out

keg411
08-06-07, 11:51 PM
Now K-Rod just can't blow it in the 9th -- and he likes to make his saves interesting at times.

C'mon Angels, get some more runs. I sense a Timlin coming in.....

DJ27
08-06-07, 11:52 PM
Nice rebound by Shields after those first two batters.

We are going pitch-by-pitch on Aug. 6 to see if we get to 6 back!!! Yankee fans rule!!! And, this not a sarcastic post at all. GO YANKEES!!!!

frostdude1
08-06-07, 11:52 PM
i cant believe im cheering for the angels :upset: i feel so dirty

jeterismyhomeboy
08-06-07, 11:53 PM
Let's go Angels! Do something in the only games I'll be cheering for you this year!

simmy886
08-06-07, 11:53 PM
We are going pitch-by-pitch on Aug. 6 to see if we get to 6 back!!! Yankee fans rule!!! And, this not a sarcastic post at all. GO YANKEES!!!!

Damn right. And 6 at this point, still early August, is so doable its not even funny. I mean, I guess it is kind of funny.

H.Kokubo
08-06-07, 11:53 PM
Although he miraculously got out of it this time, Shields needs to thank the impatience of the Red Sox batters.
Although it says he had a 13-10 strike to ball ratio, had the Red Sox not swung at the pitches, there were a lot of "strikes" that were out of the zone.

YASS
08-06-07, 11:53 PM
First Tavarez, and now Timlin?

That's Tito's white flag.

DJ27
08-06-07, 11:53 PM
i cant believe im cheering for the angels :upset: i feel so dirty

;) ;) ;) ;)

Especially for a sweep!!

Big Game Andy
08-06-07, 11:54 PM
Timlin in :lol:

jeterismyhomeboy
08-06-07, 11:55 PM
First Tavarez, and now Timlin?

That's Tito's white flag.

They really don't want this game, do they?

JeterRodriguezSheff
08-06-07, 11:55 PM
We are going pitch-by-pitch on Aug. 6 to see if we get to 6 back!!! Yankee fans rule!!! And, this not a sarcastic post at all. GO YANKEES!!!!

Well it helps when we are only half a game behind for the wild card, to fall back on if we dont win the division(which I think can still be done)

E-Rod
08-06-07, 11:55 PM
First Tavarez, and now Timlin?

That's Tito's white flag.

Good that he doesn't have a Farnsworth in the bullpen :)

simmy886
08-06-07, 11:56 PM
Timlin didn't give up a run in July, wow.

YASS
08-06-07, 11:56 PM
Timlin didn't give up a run in July, wow.

This ain't July. He's had a sore shoulder and his last outing was a disaster.

Big Game Andy
08-06-07, 11:57 PM
Timlin - 3. 71 ERA, 34 IP, 15 K. A 3.97 K/9. When's the correction coming? :lol:

simmy886
08-06-07, 11:57 PM
This ain't July. He's had a sore shoulder and his last outing was a disaster.

Yeah he was atrocious. But they have a great bullpen if this is their 4th or 5th guy.

dabomb2045
08-06-07, 11:58 PM
I know this is off-topic...but can someone explain to me how Arizona is 13 games over .500 with -29 run differential??

Thats even worse then Seattle being 11 over with a -3

Big Game Andy
08-06-07, 11:59 PM
Yeah he was atrocious. But they have a great bullpen if this is their 4th or 5th guy.

I don't think Timlin is that good anymore. He should be nothing more than a mop-up guy.

YASS
08-06-07, 11:59 PM
I know this is off-topic...but can someone explain to me how Arizona is 13 games over .500 with -29 run differential??

Thats even worse then Seattle being 11 over with a -3

They're the exception that proves the rule?

DJ27
08-06-07, 11:59 PM
I know this is off-topic...but can someone explain to me how Arizona is 13 games over .500 with -29 run differential??

Thats even worse then Seattle being 11 over with a -3

They play in the National League (NL West at that).

simmy886
08-06-07, 11:59 PM
I know this is off-topic...but can someone explain to me how Arizona is 13 games over .500 with -29 run differential??

Thats even worse then Seattle being 11 over with a -3

Good managing, good bullpen, clutch, random chance...

jeterismyhomeboy
08-06-07, 11:59 PM
I know this is off-topic...but can someone explain to me how Arizona is 13 games over .500 with -29 run differential??

Thats even worse then Seattle being 11 over with a -3

They play in the NL West?

Honestly, looking at Pythag. Records just makes me bitter, because it's like all of the baseball luck went to every team except the Yanks, who should be...well, they shouldn't be where they are.

Big Game Andy
08-07-07, 12:01 AM
K-rod better not make this interesting. And after he's done closing this game out, hopefully he dances like a monkey on the mound like Papelbon does.

YASS
08-07-07, 12:01 AM
They play in the NL West?

Honestly, looking at Pythag. Records just makes me bitter, because it's like all of the baseball luck went to every team except the Yanks, who should be...well, they shouldn't be where they are.

That's not really luck, though. The Yankees are underperforming pythag because of their bullpen performance in the early part of the season. They lost a lot of close games they should have won and won a lot of blowouts.

dabomb2045
08-07-07, 12:02 AM
They play in the NL West?

Honestly, looking at Pythag. Records just makes me bitter, because it's like all of the baseball luck went to every team except the Yanks, who should be...well, they shouldn't be where they are.

We should be much better then what our record is. Our run differential I believe is the best in baseball.

YASS
08-07-07, 12:02 AM
K-rod better not make this interesting. And after he's done closing this game out, hopefully he dances like a monkey on the mound like Papelbon does.

I have always found K-Rod to be a very interesting guy. I'm hoping he retains my interest.

TheManKnownAsMecca
08-07-07, 12:03 AM
According to Sportsline, K-Rod's first two pitches were both in the strike zone and called balls.

simmy886
08-07-07, 12:03 AM
They play in the NL West?

Honestly, looking at Pythag. Records just makes me bitter, because it's like all of the baseball luck went to every team except the Yanks, who should be...well, they shouldn't be where they are.

Pythagorean % penalize teams who pile on in blowouts. Usually this means a team with a top notch offense. Because if you are up 10-0 after 8 innings, you are going to face a crummy mop up guy and likely score another 5 runs. Now that inning alone could mean you should win another game. So a team with a poor offense like Arizona won't worry about that. If they are up late, they won't pile on no matter who they are facing.
Also a poor bullpen/bad managing will contribute to losing close games.
It's not all luck.

Big Game Andy
08-07-07, 12:04 AM
Give me a break, K-rod..