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TheBamTino24
04-08-07, 09:37 AM
Happy Easter to all.

Thanks to the incredible heroics put forth by Alex Rodriguez, the Yankees will look for their first series win of 2007 this afternoon in The Bronx.

Trailing 7-3 with 1 out in the 8th inning, New York staged an improbable rally against a tough Baltimore bullpen to even their record at 2-2. After walks to Bobby Abreu and Rodriguez, Jason Giambi blasted a mammoth 3-run HR off of Dennys Baez to bring the Yankees back to trailing by just 1, 7-6. With 2 outs and nobody on in the 9th, the Yankees then began one of the most remarkable comebacks you'll see:

A sharp single by Robinson Cano, an outstanding AB by Derek Jeter that resulted in a walk, and a HBP of Abreu led to the theatrics of Rodriguez. A-Rod took a letter-high 2-2, mid-90's fastball and promptly deposited it into the historical blackened seats in CF. Ballgame. Walk-off Grand Slam. Incredible.

Not to be lost in the emotion of the victory was another awful performance by a Yankee starting pitcher. Although Kei Igawa now owns the distinction of the longest out by a NYY SP with just 5 IP, he was horrendously high in the zone all day long, resulting in 8 hits, 2 HR, and 7 ER.

Darrell Rasner, who went 3-1, 4.43 with NYY last year (6G/3GS) will start today against talented Baltimore LHP Erik Bedard (0-1, 11.57).

Rasner vs. BAL:
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Bedard vs. NYY:
<TABLE class=tablehead cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=3 border=0><TBODY><TR class=colhead align=right><TD align=left width=130>HITTER</TD><TD width=35>AB (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/bvsp?playerId=5099&teamId=10&sort=atBats)</TD><TD width=35>H (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/bvsp?playerId=5099&teamId=10&sort=hits)</TD><TD width=35>2B (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/bvsp?playerId=5099&teamId=10&sort=doubles)</TD><TD width=35>3B (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/bvsp?playerId=5099&teamId=10&sort=triples)</TD><TD width=35>HR (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/bvsp?playerId=5099&teamId=10&sort=homeRuns)</TD><TD width=35>RBI (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/bvsp?playerId=5099&teamId=10&sort=RBIs)</TD><TD width=35>BB (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/bvsp?playerId=5099&teamId=10&sort=walks)</TD><TD width=35>SO (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/bvsp?playerId=5099&teamId=10&sort=strikeouts)</TD><TD width=50>BA (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/bvsp?playerId=5099&teamId=10&sort=avg)</TD><TD width=50>OBP (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/bvsp?playerId=5099&teamId=10&sort=onBasePct)</TD><TD width=50>SLG (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/bvsp?playerId=5099&teamId=10&sort=slugAvg)</TD><TD width=50>OPS (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/bvsp?playerId=5099&teamId=10&sort=OPS)</TD></TR><TR class=oddrow align=right><TD align=left>Johnny Damon (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5484)</TD><TD class=sortcell>23</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>.217</TD><TD>.280</TD><TD>.261</TD><TD>.541</TD></TR><TR class=evenrow align=right><TD align=left>Derek Jeter (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5406)</TD><TD class=sortcell>22</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>.318</TD><TD>.400</TD><TD>.409</TD><TD>.809</TD></TR><TR class=oddrow align=right><TD align=left>Alex Rodriguez (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5275)</TD><TD class=sortcell>21</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>.429</TD><TD>.458</TD><TD>.571</TD><TD>1.030</TD></TR><TR class=evenrow align=right><TD align=left>Jorge Posada (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5502)</TD><TD class=sortcell>16</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>.313</TD><TD>.450</TD><TD>.375</TD><TD>.825</TD></TR><TR class=oddrow align=right><TD align=left>Bobby Abreu (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5698)</TD><TD class=sortcell>14</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>.214</TD><TD>.421</TD><TD>.214</TD><TD>.635</TD></TR><TR class=evenrow align=right><TD align=left>Hideki Matsui (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=7042)</TD><TD class=sortcell>14</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>.214</TD><TD>.313</TD><TD>.214</TD><TD>.527</TD></TR><TR class=oddrow align=right><TD align=left>Robinson Cano (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=7497)</TD><TD class=sortcell>14</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>.286</TD><TD>.286</TD><TD>.429</TD><TD>.714</TD></TR><TR class=evenrow align=right><TD align=left>Jason Giambi (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5386)</TD><TD class=sortcell>13</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>.308</TD><TD>.550</TD><TD>.846</TD><TD>1.396</TD></TR><TR class=oddrow align=right><TD align=left>Josh Phelps (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6494)</TD><TD class=sortcell>13</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>.154</TD><TD>.214</TD><TD>.154</TD><TD>.368</TD></TR><TR class=evenrow align=right><TD align=left>Miguel Cairo (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5586)</TD><TD class=sortcell>4</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>.500</TD><TD>.600</TD><TD>.500</TD><TD>1.100</TD></TR><TR class=oddrow align=right><TD align=left>Melky Cabrera (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=7595)</TD><TD class=sortcell>3</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>.000</TD><TD>.250</TD><TD>.000</TD><TD>.250</TD></TR><TR class=evenrow align=right><TD align=left>Doug Mientkiewicz (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6138)</TD><TD class=sortcell>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>.000</TD><TD>.000</TD><TD>.000</TD><TD>.000</TD></TR><TR class=colhead align=right><TD align=left>Totals</TD><TD>159</TD><TD>44</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>16</TD><TD>26</TD><TD>40</TD><TD>.277</TD><TD>.383</TD><TD>.377</TD><TD>.760</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

spyglass
04-08-07, 09:46 AM
Let's use yesterday as a place to start.

Also, it would be awesome if we could get five innings out of Rasner :P

hardrain
04-08-07, 09:52 AM
as always, wonderful stuff, BamTino

Haywood2K6
04-08-07, 10:08 AM
Will we finally get a starter to give us a quality start? Is this the day? Lets hope so.

I Heart Jeter
04-08-07, 10:09 AM
Why is Rasner starting and not Pavano? I thought they would bypass the 5th starter since Pavano had pitched on Monday and already is on 5 days' rest....

TheBamTino24
04-08-07, 10:10 AM
Why is Rasner starting and not Pavano? I thought they would bypass the 5th starter since Pavano had pitched on Monday and already is on 5 days' rest....

Maybe they wanted Pavano to start in the dome and not the cold. Pavano will start tomorrow night in Minnesota, followed by Pettitte and Mussina on Tuesday and Wednesday, respectively.

I'm interested to see how all 3 bounce back from their disasters this week.

dont_ya_know24
04-08-07, 10:18 AM
cmon ras give us at least 6

TheBamTino24
04-08-07, 10:24 AM
Today's lineup:

YANKEES
Cabrera CF
Jeter SS
Abreu RF
Rodriguez 3B
Giambi DH
Phelps 1B
Cano 2B
Cairo LF
Nieves C

Rasner RHP

http://yankees.lohudblogs.com/


Pregame chatter: This looks like a March 15 lineup. ... It’s 36 in the Bronx with a harsh wind, so they’re not taking a chance with Damon. ... No word on Hideki Matsui and whether he had an MRI. ... Can Rasner go six? Can anybody?

I actually do not mind Joe Torre going this conservative today. The weather has been absolutely ridiculous all week and I don't want any other 30-something OFers getting injured worse. Something is going to have be done about this 3-headed 1B situation. We'll need Kevin Thompson up here for the long haul.

spyglass
04-08-07, 10:28 AM
I actually do not mind Joe Torre going this conservative today. The weather has been absolutely ridiculous all week and I don't want any other 30-something OFers getting injured worse. Something is going to have be done about this 3-headed 1B situation. We'll need Kevin Thompson up here for the long haul.
I know what you mean. I keep waiting for them to call Thompson up.

yankeesmarc923
04-08-07, 10:31 AM
looking at this lineup, i can't help but think how lucky we are to have gotten cairo back this year. he truly is an extremely valuable component of this team and i could see him starting a good 60-80 games this season.

NelsonMuntz
04-08-07, 10:32 AM
So our backup infielder is playing LF and we have no backup outfielders. This could get interesting.

ppa79
04-08-07, 10:34 AM
WTF? Put Matsui on the DL and bring up KT. I don't want to see Cairo in the outfield.

Skars
04-08-07, 10:36 AM
WTF? Put Matsui on the DL and bring up KT. I don't want to see Cairo in the outfield.

yes lets rush him to the DL so we can lose him for 15 days when he could possibly be ready in a couple of days

NelsonMuntz
04-08-07, 10:38 AM
WTF? Put Matsui on the DL and bring up KT. I don't want to see Cairo in the outfield.
Do we need Rasner for another start after this game? I'm wondering if they're just planning on sending him down to AAA after today and calling up KT until Wang comes off the DL. That would buy a few days to see how Matsui's hamstring feels without DL'ing him.

dont_ya_know24
04-08-07, 10:39 AM
id rather them bring up phil hughes, to show the yankee starters how to pitch through 5 innings.

Jace
04-08-07, 10:39 AM
looking at this lineup, i can't help but think how lucky we are to have gotten cairo back this year. he truly is an extremely valuable component of this team and i could see him starting a good 60-80 games this season.

Wait till you see how valuable he is when he misplays 2 flyballs into doubles today, he's the best at that

ppa79
04-08-07, 10:40 AM
yes lets rush him to the DL so we can lose him for 15 days when he could possibly be ready in a couple of days

Last time a Yankee had a hamstring strain, he was on the DL for 15 days (Wang). When Cano had a hamstring strain last year, he missed a month. These things take time to heal. Damon isn't playing and Matsui isn't playing, this team needs outfielders. You can wait with one, but not both.

ppa79
04-08-07, 10:41 AM
Do we need Rasner for another start after this game? I'm wondering if they're just planning on sending him down to AAA after today and calling up KT until Wang comes off the DL. That would buy a few days to see how Matsui's hamstring feels without DL'ing him.

If Rasner pitches a good game, I would rather send Igawa down.

Bob Saccomano
04-08-07, 10:42 AM
Three things I want to see today:

1. A-Rod continuing the heroics.
2. Bedard's ERA remain around 11.57, if not higher
3. Rasner go 6, maybe 7

Skars
04-08-07, 10:43 AM
Last time a Yankee had a hamstring strain, he was on the DL for 15 days (Wang). When Cano had a hamstring strain last year, he missed a month. These things take time to heal.

Completely different situations. Wang was throwing within a couple of days but he was put on the DL because he needs to have the proper throwing time before his first start.

Again how can you bring Cano up? You dont know how serious his strain was compared to Matsui's especially since theres no MRI yet for Matsui. Cano pulled it seriously last year while Matsui said yesterday he thought he'd be ready to play in a few days if not sooner



If Rasner pitches a good game, I would rather send Igawa down.

Hogwash. I hope the Yankees arent as reactionary as some people here with regards to Igawa. He looked very good in S/T and just had no stuff yesterday. Send Pettitte and Mussina down while you're at it. Rasner is a fill-in guy

Bob Saccomano
04-08-07, 10:44 AM
Last time a Yankee had a hamstring strain, he was on the DL for 15 days (Wang). When Cano had a hamstring strain last year, he missed a month. These things take time to heal. Damon isn't playing and Matsui isn't playing, this team needs outfielders. You can wait with one, but not both.

I think it has to do with how bad the strain is. Not all hamstring injuries are the same. The predictions I have heard to date suggest that Matsui might be back in a week, which is perfectly reasonable for a minor tweak.

NelsonMuntz
04-08-07, 10:46 AM
Hogwash. I hope the Yankees arent as reactionary as some people here with regards to Igawa. He looked very good in S/T and just had no stuff yesterday. Send Pettitte and Mussina down while you're at it. Rasner is a fill-in guy
When did Igawa look good in S/T? I watched most of his starts and he looked awful in every one of them.

Jace
04-08-07, 10:46 AM
I hope Gene Monahan or whoever is in charge of this forces a mandatory full 25-man roster double length stretching session today

Pickwick12
04-08-07, 10:47 AM
I thought Damon might be back in the lineup this time. I assume he'll be available. Anyone know for sure?

ppa79
04-08-07, 10:48 AM
Completely different situations. Wang was throwing within a couple of days but he was put on the DL because he needs to have the proper throwing time before his first start.

Again how can you bring Cano up? You dont know how serious his strain was compared to Matsui's especially since theres no MRI yet for Matsui. Cano pulled it seriously last year while Matsui said yesterday he thought he'd be ready to play in a few days if not sooner

They said Damon would be a couple of days, so far he hasn't played a full game since Monday. It has seriously handicapped the team. Now with Matsui out, we are in terrible shape. Better to DL someone, let him get the rest he needs and bring up someone who can be servicable for 2 weeks.

Mark19
04-08-07, 10:49 AM
When did Igawa look good in S/T? I watched most of his starts and he looked awful in every one of them.

He had a 3.1 ERA and led the team in strikeouts. Sure he was a bit rusty at the start but his last couple of outings were very strong.

Pickwick12
04-08-07, 10:52 AM
He had a 3.1 ERA and led the team in strikeouts. Sure he was a bit rusty at the start but his last couple of outings were very strong.

The Yankees radio commentators seemed to think yesterday wasn't too bad either. They felt like the number of runs scored didn't really reflect how he was pitching.

ppa79
04-08-07, 10:53 AM
Hogwash. I hope the Yankees arent as reactionary as some people here with regards to Igawa. He looked very good in S/T and just had no stuff yesterday. Send Pettitte and Mussina down while you're at it. Rasner is a fill-in guy

Don't bring Pettitte and Mussina into this. Those guys are legit guys and NO ONE has complained about them. Once you start bringing them up, you are seriously starting to lack credibility. We know what we'll get with them.

I don't know what rose colored glasses you had on, but Igawa had control problems in spring training. He still threw a lot of balls and his flyball to ground ball ratio was horrible. If Wang and Karstens didn't get hurt, Igawa would be starting in AAA right now. There are both quotes from Torre and Cashman that they considered this.

NelsonMuntz
04-08-07, 10:53 AM
He had a 3.1 ERA and led the team in strikeouts. Sure he was a bit rusty at the start but his last couple of outings were very strong.
I thought he was more lucky than good.

Mark19
04-08-07, 10:55 AM
The Yankees radio commentators seemed to think yesterday wasn't too bad either. They felt like the number of runs scored didn't really reflect how he was pitching.

He certainly had control problems but the line is misleading. The "3-run double" was a little blop 10 feet behind Mientkiewicz and Jeter couldn't handle the cut-off that would've prevented the third run and nailed the runner to second.

ppa79
04-08-07, 10:57 AM
I thought he was more lucky than good.

He was lucky, 12 walks in 17 innings.

Mark19
04-08-07, 11:00 AM
I thought he was more lucky than good.

"Luck" is very hard to factor in. Every pitcher has some lucky days and unlucky ones. I can think of a few ST starts in which he was lucky to face impatient batters who got victimized by his breaking stuff. I can also remember a couple of spring training starts where some bad calls and poor fielding stuck him with earned runs he hadn't truly earned.

He has the pitching ability to be a useful starter. Let's give it some time.

mik3
04-08-07, 11:03 AM
Don't bring Pettitte and Mussina into this. Those guys are legit guys and NO ONE has complained about them. Once you start bringing them up, you are seriously starting to lack credibility. We know what we'll get with them.

I don't know what rose colored glasses you had on, but Igawa had control problems in spring training. He still threw a lot of balls and his flyball to ground ball ratio was horrible. If Wang and Karstens didn't get hurt, Igawa would be starting in AAA right now. There are both quotes from Torre and Cashman that they considered this.
Genius, he would have been in AAA 'cause he has no history of being a relief pitcher and they wanted him on a schedule, unlike Karstens who would have been the long man in april since there isn't a real need for a 5th starter.

And yeah, most flyball pitchers have a bad g/f ratio. He's a flyball/strikeout pitcher. He got robbed on a bad call against Markakis and the next pitch was a HR. He got robbed on a bad call against Roberts and the next pitch was a bases loaded walk. The bloop landed in a triangle of players, oh well, and Jeter should have come up with the relay and nailed Mora at second.

mik3
04-08-07, 11:04 AM
"Luck" is very hard to factor in. Every pitcher has some lucky days and unlucky ones. I can think of a few ST starts in which he was lucky to face impatient batters who got victimized by his breaking stuff. I can also remember a couple of spring training starts where some bad calls and poor fielding stuck him with earned runs he hadn't truly earned.

He has the pitching ability to be a useful starter. Let's give it some time.

Exactly. Is he going to be an ace in america? Nope.

Is he probably going to be a useful AL 4? Probably.

Pickwick12
04-08-07, 11:05 AM
He has the pitching ability to be a useful starter. Let's give it some time.

I totally agree. I'm remembering the Contreras thing and how long he was given to pull things together before the Yankees moved him on. Igawa deserves the same chance.

mik3
04-08-07, 11:06 AM
I totally agree. I'm remembering the Contreras thing and how long he was given to pull things together before the Yankees moved him on. Igawa deserves the same chance.

Well, Igawa won't be working with an inept pitching coach that tried to turn every pitcher who had any sort of problems into a mirror image of himself in his playing days.

ppa79
04-08-07, 11:08 AM
Genius, he would have been in AAA 'cause he has no history of being a relief pitcher and they wanted him on a schedule, unlike Karstens who would have been the long man in april since there isn't a real need for a 5th starter.

And yeah, most flyball pitchers have a bad g/f ratio. He's a flyball/strikeout pitcher. He got robbed on a bad call against Markakis and the next pitch was a HR. He got robbed on a bad call against Roberts and the next pitch was a bases loaded walk. The bloop landed in a triangle of players, oh well, and Jeter should have come up with the relay and nailed Mora at second.

Wrong genius, they wanted him in AAA because they wanted him to work on his control and Karstens had an unbelievable spring training and he had some ML experience from last year. I don't know in what world 12BB in 17 innings is good control. He has solid stuff, but has command issues. But when Karstens and Wang both got injured, all that went out the window because they didn't have that luxury to put him in AAA to work on his command because they needed pitchers.

If you watched the game, he was behind the count on almost every single hitter. He threw 90+ pitches by 5 innings. His strike to Ball ratio was horrible. Its more magified in the majors because major league hitters will make you pay for pitching behind in the count, while in spring training, you can sometimes get away with it.

Pickwick12
04-08-07, 11:09 AM
Well, Igawa won't be working with an inept pitching coach that tried to turn every pitcher who had any sort of problems into a mirror image of himself in his playing days.

Hear, hear!

BroadwayBomber55
04-08-07, 11:09 AM
The Rubber Match on Easter Sunday and the final game of the first homestand of the season.

Good luck to Darrell Rasner today. Hopefully, he earns a win today.

Dr. Gonzo
04-08-07, 11:12 AM
rasner will step up, big crushing win today

Pickwick12
04-08-07, 11:14 AM
rasner will step up, big crushing win today

That would be a nice Easter present for all of us. :clapping:

Dr. Gonzo
04-08-07, 11:14 AM
Wrong genius, they wanted him in AAA because they wanted him to work on his control and Karstens had an unbelievable spring training and he had some ML experience from last year. I don't know in what world 12BB in 17 innings is good control. He has solid stuff, but has command issues. But when Karstens and Wang both got injured, all that went out the window because they didn't have that luxury to put him in AAA to work on his command because they needed pitchers.

If you watched the game, he was behind the count on almost every single hitter. He threw 90+ pitches by 5 innings. His strike to Ball ratio was horrible. Its more magified in the majors because major league hitters will make you pay for pitching behind in the count, while in spring training, you can sometimes get away with it.i guess i am finally old where i have seen enough baseball to sense that igawa didn't seem to have control of his arm. He was throwing and not pitching at all, he just let the ball go and hoped it landed somewhere good, or at least his arm rotation said that.

I was encouraged by his growth in ST and want to see another startt. But i feel with him he is always dancing a fine line between effective and f'd up.

dont_ya_know24
04-08-07, 11:17 AM
miggy cairo will step up in a big way. just you wait :)

Vin
04-08-07, 11:25 AM
Rasner strikes me as a soft-thrower/groundballer who doesn't throw many strikes. I don't think he's an average to good pitcher at best.

Dr. Gonzo
04-08-07, 11:27 AM
what cairo is in left????????/

Mark19
04-08-07, 11:28 AM
what cairo is in left????????/

Let's hope nothing goes to him. Yikes!

We would have been better off with Abreu in left and Cairo in right.

ojo
04-08-07, 11:30 AM
i though igawa was completely awful yesterday. 'not lucky' is not doing justice to what we saw. poor control and when he did get ahead he'd serve up something fat to get smacked. contrary to what michael kay says, only one of those hits were of the bloopy variety. he got hit around pretty damn well yesterday...and on some unforgivable '0-2' situations, too.

Dr. Gonzo
04-08-07, 11:30 AM
Let's hope nothing goes to him. Yikes!

We would have been better off with Abreu in left and Cairo in right.we need a 5th OF, its that simple

Dr. Gonzo
04-08-07, 11:30 AM
i though igawa was completely awful yesterday. 'not lucky' is not doing justice to what we saw. poor control and when he did get ahead he'd serve up something fat to get smacked. contrary to what michael kay says, only one of those hits were of the bloopy variety. he got hit around pretty damn well yesterday...and on some unforgivable '0-2' situations, too.he was unlucky, but he was terrible, he had no sense of the zone

ajra21
04-08-07, 11:41 AM
if that was "unlucky" i'd hate to see pure awful.

michael kay and ken singleton were sooooo unimpressed with him, and i don't blame him.

let's hope he improves.

Skars
04-08-07, 11:43 AM
I thought he was more lucky than good.

His gamelog

3/05 - 1 IP - 2 H - 2 R - 3 BB - 3 K
3/10 - 3 IP - 5 H - 2 R - 0 BB - 4 K
3/15 - 3 IP - 1 H - 0 R - 4 BB - 5 K
3/20 - 5 IP - 2 H - 0 R - 3 BB - 3 K
3/26 - 5 IP - 3 H - 1 R - 2 BB - 4 K
3/31 - 6 IP - 6 H - 3 R - 0 BB - 3 K

I think there is a steady progression there, and from watching the games i think a lot of it had to do with the command of his secondary pitches. While he is still going to give up HRs on that high fastball, his performance yesterday is nowhere near what hes capable of

gK
04-08-07, 12:09 PM
Watch out boys, my friend who's an Orioles fan said Bedard is a Cy Young candidate. I laughed in his face. :D

ppa79
04-08-07, 12:11 PM
Watch out boys, my friend who's an Orioles fan said Bedard is a Cy Young candidate. I laughed in his face. :D

The guy has talent and throws with his left hand. Thats not good news for the Yankees.

spyglass
04-08-07, 12:13 PM
Watch out boys, my friend who's an Orioles fan said Bedard is a Cy Young candidate. I laughed in his face. :D
I hate to rain on your friend's parade, but the Cy Young has been reserved for Matsuzaka already. :P

Spiker101
04-08-07, 12:14 PM
Do we need Rasner for another start after this game? I'm wondering if they're just planning on sending him down to AAA after today and calling up KT until Wang comes off the DL. That would buy a few days to see how Matsui's hamstring feels without DL'ing him.I like that plan.

YankeePride1967
04-08-07, 12:17 PM
Why is Rasner starting and not Pavano? I thought they would bypass the 5th starter since Pavano had pitched on Monday and already is on 5 days' rest....

So that Rasner is used as little as possible this month. Whether or not Pavano pitches today or tomorrow or Rasner today or tomorrow isn't the question. Whoever starts today is in position to be passed over more easily on FUTURE off days.

suha
04-08-07, 12:25 PM
id rather them bring up phil hughes, to show the yankee starters how to pitch through 5 innings.

Funny, but in all fairness, if the time of year and the weather conditions were different, both Pavano and Pettitte would have pitched at least five. This is not to say that either of them pitched particularly well, but Torre had a somewhat justifiable quick hook in both of those games.

Skars
04-08-07, 12:31 PM
rasner and his slop fastball will make it easier for the yankees to call up thompson after the game

Chubzilla06
04-08-07, 01:30 PM
another starter that doesnt make it to the 6th inning. is this a real concern? Anyone think it could be weather related (cold weather).